[DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan

Tue Jun 11 21:54:43 EDT 2024

On 6/11/24, 5:09 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>> wrote:

Correct Julian; however, this engine does not have the original stick
and I believe the aftermarket one is wrong.

Asa Jay
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On Jun 11, 2024, at 14:01, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com <mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>>
wrote:

Everyone seems to get fixated on 9 quarts or 7 quarts and squeezing oil
into the aftermarket pans, but Ken was on the right track, at the end
of the day it's about oil level in relation to the rotating assembly.
If your original dipstick was providing a good oil level in relation to
the rotating assembly and windage then the mark is equally valid for
the new pan, and it holds whatever it takes to fill to that mark.

Julian
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To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com <mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com>>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aviad pan

Hi Mike,
I agree on both methods. They are of course a pain in the arse in
either case. No pun intended.
Larry Stock's post indicated it should hold 9 but maybe he was
referring to the Cleveland pan?
I have fixed this on a stock pan in another car with an aftermarket
dipstick. In that case the owner was overfilling just to get oil to
show on the stick. Then he was blowing oil all over when driving. We
drained and refilled with the correct number of quarts for a stock pan,
then shortened the dipstick tube to a correct length.
In this case I have seven quarts in this pan, and the aftermarket
dipstick shows way over the full line with the car on level concrete.
The stick is actually steel wire and not something I can easily cut and
braze back together.
I would think a larger capacity pan should take more than five quarts,
and seven seemed reasonable from checking Aviad's site for that pan.
I'm mostly trying to verify at this point that seven is a correct
amount with this pan before I'm forced into one of the other methods.
Thank you,
Asa Jay
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> On Jun 11, 2024, at 13:10, Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com <mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com>> wrote:
>
> AJ,
>
> I find it curious that they claim the Cleveland pan is 9 quarts while
the nominally identical Windsor unit is only 7 quarts?
>
> Life is made more difficult with an aftermarket dipstick setup.
>
> The quality fix is to remove the pan, insert the dipstick and either
verify that it is marked properly, or remark it as needed.
>
> Then put that much oil in, however much it is, and remember that
number.
>
> If pulling the pan is too much effort, you can always just buy a
standard 351W dipstick and tube and install that temporarily, fill the
motor to the appropriate amount, then pull it and refit the custom
Pantera setup and compare the results, and remark as needed.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jun 11, 2024, at 12:53, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>> wrote:
>>
>> All,
>>
>> On this stroked Windsor is the following pan:
>>
>> [1]155-55367 SBFW PANTERA PAN W/S
>>
>> [2]Wet Sump Road Race Oil Pans (SBF 289/302 & 351W) at Replacement
>> Parts | Page 3 of 3
>> [3]aviaid.com
>> [4][wFNi7tReOKIaAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg==]
>>
>> Aviad claims it to be a 7-quart pan. I know based on the shape
that it
>> should hold more than five. However, does anyone here have
experience
>> with this pan? There is an aftermarket dipstick installed and I
don't
>> know if it's been calibrated properly.
>>
>> If you have this pan on a Windsor, how many quarts to Full on a
stock
>> dipstick?
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Asa Jay
>>
>> Sent via radio waves
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>> Visible links
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