[DeTomaso] California Looking To Restrict Travel For Classic Cars - The Auto Wire
Terry Himes
terry.himes at pncnet.com
Sat Sep 30 23:17:16 EDT 2023
True. And the modeling is just that. A forecasting tool, with lots of ways to tweak it.
BUT, I’ve been to several glaciers over the years and seen them for myself. Yes, there are cycles, but
none that explains what is happening. ‘nuf said.
Let’s get back to Pantera’s!! The best cars EVER!!
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
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From: Mike Grillot <msjaan at sbcglobal.net>
Date: Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 6:26 PM
To: Terry Himes <terry.himes at pncnet.com>
Cc: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>, Fred Foreman <fred4man at att.net>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] California Looking To Restrict Travel For Classic Cars - The Auto Wire
Sorry to chime in…..But…..there are some climatologists who have a problem with many “main stream” 97%ers.
Anyone who disagrees with their interpretations of data, questioning the adjustments of data, ignoring other data, questioning the generous staring points for weather statistics and debating findings are all called crazy extremists. The science is not and never will be settled. A good sounding board is https://judithcurry.com/.
I am not a climatologist but it has been my hobby since college.
Sent from my iPhone.
Please excuse all spelling, grammatical, and punctuational errors.
Sincerely Yours,
Michael Grillot
On Sep 30, 2023, at 6:44 PM, Terry Himes <terry.himes at pncnet.com> wrote:
WRONG!! NASA (I see the data every day) doesn't gather all this data for nothing. Like I said, they said
there was no problem with the OZONE layer too! And cigarettes don't harm your health. Same sad story.
Evidence is Evidence.
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
Princeton Networks Corporation
President
Cell: (818) 653-8213
Deep Space Mission Systems (818) 653-8213
terry.himes at pncnet.com <mailto:terry.himes at pncnet.com>
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Mars 2020 (Ingenuity) Helicopter Relay
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On 9/30/23, 4:04 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of will.kooiman at gmail.com <mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com>> wrote:
I still think it's government overreach.
The CO2 impact to the environment has been grossly overstated, primarily for power reasons.
You get the public worked up about pending doom, and then provide the government as the only solution to said disaster. That sounds like extortion.
Truth is, the globe has been in a warming period for 400 years. It started well before the industrial revolution. So, what was the cause before 1900? Cows farting?
I could see easing congestion by taxing vehicles in the city centers, or better yet, don't build roads in the city centers. Build effective public transportation that doesn’t depend on private transportation. But don’t blame CO2. Blame something else.
I'm looking forward to the general public finally waking up over the CO2 greenhouse effect nonsense. Yes, it happens, but it's a minor contributor. In the meantime, the world is spending more than a billion dollars a day "researching" global warming. That's a huge amount of resources wasted.
On 9/30/23, 6:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of julian_kift at hotmail.com <mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com> <mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com <mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>>> wrote:
The article singled out classic cars, but in reality, California is
looking to introduce low emissions zones that will ap[ply to all
vehicles, not just classics. Much of Europe has Low Emission Zones in
major cities, I was recently in Germany and vehicles had to have a
green tag to enter city center low emission zones. For many years both
Santiago de Chile and Bogota have had restrictions by license plate,
odd ending numbers one day, even the next.
The truth is most classic cars are enthusiast owned and maintained in a
state of good tune, given the average mileage of such cars the
emissions are miniscule in the overall magnitude, but once again an
easy target for lawmakers, who seem to increasingly decry anything that
isn't essential. On a related note, DMV here in Nevada have finally
started to clamp down on classic license plates as it seemed every
vehicle over 10 years old was starting to wear a classic plate. Now DMV
require odometer readings annually at registration. One can only travel
up to 5,000 miles and insurance must be classic car insurance, no daily
drivers.
BTW you can drive any car in London city center, it just costs -L-12.50
daily if you are not a low emission vehicle, so as long as you pay the
carbon tax you can feel comfortable in having done your bit for the
climate......
Julian
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Subject: [DeTomaso] California Looking To Restrict Travel For Classic
Cars - The Auto Wire
Report: California Looking To Restrict Travel For Classic Cars - The
Auto Wire (Mike Drew)
They mentioned London. The ban is in London's central business
districts when I was there. How many of you drive your car to work?
in downtown?
If you want to see some super heavy-duty CO2 emissions in progress,
drive thru the Permian Basin of West Texas! You can see over a hundred
miles of continuous wellheads, storage tank batteries, compressor
stations, water-oil-gas separation facilities, refineries, fracking
fluid plants, fracking fluid disposal wells and wind turbines! You
could almost throw a rock from one facility to the other - for over a
hundred miles. I was blown away by how extensive the oil patch was
there since I worked there in the 70's. Much like driving thru a big
factory, only there was not a roof on the building!
Makes a lithium mine in Nevada look rather insignificant.
Fred
PS - Drive thru the East-side of Houston (or any place along the Gulf
Cost, except Florida) to see hundreds of miles of refineries along the
coast. Texas makes Bakersfield look like an old antique tractor.
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True. And the modeling is just that. A forecasting tool, with lots of
ways to tweak it.
BUT, I've been to several glaciers over the years and seen them for
myself. Yes, there are cycles, but
none that explains what is happening. `nuf said.
Let's get back to Pantera's!! The best cars EVER!!
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
Princeton Networks Corporation
President
Cell: (818) 653-8213
Deep Space Mission Systems (818) 653-8213
[1]terry.himes at pncnet.com
JPL (RED)
Deep Space Exploration - Mission Operations
Mars 2020 (Perseverance) Rover Relay
Mars 2020 (Ingenuity) Helicopter Relay
Psyche Orbiter
Europa Lander Science Support Team
Odyssey Sequence Team
TGO Sequence Lead
MEX Sequence Lead
Spitzer Space Telescope Data Team
Dawn Spacecraft Team
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From: Mike Grillot <msjaan at sbcglobal.net>
Date: Saturday, September 30, 2023 at 6:26PM
To: Terry Himes <terry.himes at pncnet.com>
Cc: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>, Julian Kift
<julian_kift at hotmail.com>, <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>, Fred
Foreman <fred4man at att.net>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] California Looking To Restrict Travel For
Classic Cars - The Auto Wire
Sorry to chime in.....But.....there are some climatologists who have a
problem with many "main stream" 97%ers.
Anyone who disagrees with their interpretations of data, questioning
the adjustments of data, ignoring other data, questioning the generous
staring points for weather statistics and debating findings are all
called crazy extremists. The science is not and never will be settled.
A good sounding board is [2]https://judithcurry.com/.
I am not a climatologist but it has been my hobby since college.
Sent from my iPhone.
Please excuse all spelling, grammatical, and punctuational errors.
Sincerely Yours,
Michael Grillot
On Sep 30, 2023, at 6:44PM, Terry Himes <terry.himes at pncnet.com>
wrote:
WRONG!! NASA (I see the data every day) doesn't gather all this data
for nothing. Like I said, they said
there was no problem with the OZONE layer too! And cigarettes don't
harm your health. Same sad story.
Evidence is Evidence.
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
Princeton Networks Corporation
President
Cell: (818) 653-8213
Deep Space Mission Systems (818) 653-8213
terry.himes at pncnet.com <mailto:terry.himes at pncnet.com>
JPL (RED)
Deep Space Exploration - Mission Operations
Mars 2020 (Perseverance) Rover Relay
Mars 2020 (Ingenuity) Helicopter Relay
Psyche Orbiter
Europa Lander Science Support Team
Odyssey Sequence Team
TGO Sequence Lead
MEX Sequence Lead
Spitzer Space Telescope Data Team
Dawn Spacecraft Team
On 9/30/23, 4:04 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman"
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<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
will.kooiman at gmail.com <mailto:will.kooiman at gmail.com>> wrote:
I still think it's government overreach.
The CO2 impact to the environment has been grossly overstated,
primarily for power reasons.
You get the public worked up about pending doom, and then provide the
government as the only solution to said disaster. That sounds like
extortion.
Truth is, the globe has been in a warming period for 400 years. It
started well before the industrial revolution. So, what was the cause
before 1900? Cows farting?
I could see easing congestion by taxing vehicles in the city centers,
or better yet, don't build roads in the city centers. Build effective
public transportation that doesn't depend on private transportation.
But don't blame CO2. Blame something else.
I'm looking forward to the general public finally waking up over the
CO2 greenhouse effect nonsense. Yes, it happens, but it's a minor
contributor. In the meantime, the world is spending more than a billion
dollars a day "researching" global warming. That's a huge amount of
resources wasted.
On 9/30/23, 6:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift"
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
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<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com <mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>>>
wrote:
The article singled out classic cars, but in reality, California is
looking to introduce low emissions zones that will ap[ply to all
vehicles, not just classics. Much of Europe has Low Emission Zones in
major cities, I was recently in Germany and vehicles had to have a
green tag to enter city center low emission zones. For many years both
Santiago de Chile and Bogota have had restrictions by license plate,
odd ending numbers one day, even the next.
The truth is most classic cars are enthusiast owned and maintained in a
state of good tune, given the average mileage of such cars the
emissions are miniscule in the overall magnitude, but once again an
easy target for lawmakers, who seem to increasingly decry anything that
isn't essential. On a related note, DMV here in Nevada have finally
started to clamp down on classic license plates as it seemed every
vehicle over 10 years old was starting to wear a classic plate. Now DMV
require odometer readings annually at registration. One can only travel
up to 5,000 miles and insurance must be classic car insurance, no daily
drivers.
BTW you can drive any car in London city center, it just costs -L-12.50
daily if you are not a low emission vehicle, so as long as you pay the
carbon tax you can feel comfortable in having done your bit for the
climate......
Julian
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Subject: [DeTomaso] California Looking To Restrict Travel For Classic
Cars - The Auto Wire
Report: California Looking To Restrict Travel For Classic Cars - The
Auto Wire (Mike Drew)
They mentioned London. The ban is in London's central business
districts when I was there. How many of you drive your car to work?
in downtown?
If you want to see some super heavy-duty CO2 emissions in progress,
drive thru the Permian Basin of West Texas! You can see over a hundred
miles of continuous wellheads, storage tank batteries, compressor
stations, water-oil-gas separation facilities, refineries, fracking
fluid plants, fracking fluid disposal wells and wind turbines! You
could almost throw a rock from one facility to the other - for over a
hundred miles. I was blown away by how extensive the oil patch was
there since I worked there in the 70's. Much like driving thru a big
factory, only there was not a roof on the building!
Makes a lithium mine in Nevada look rather insignificant.
Fred
PS - Drive thru the East-side of Houston (or any place along the Gulf
Cost, except Florida) to see hundreds of miles of refineries along the
coast. Texas makes Bakersfield look like an old antique tractor.
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