[DeTomaso] McLeod Pressure Plate - Old and New / Advice Removing Pilot Bushing

Corey Price coreyjprice at gmail.com
Tue Jul 25 10:46:51 EDT 2023 

I had the same issue with pulling pilot bearings, so I ground the tips down on a pilot bearing puller just enough to fit behind the bearing. It works great on needle bearings and no grease, TP or bread to deal with. 

Corey

> On Jul 25, 2023, at 8:22 AM, Mike & Elizabeth <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Borrowed a bearing puller and slide hammer yesterday but the fingers on the puller are just a little too wide to get through the bearing to the other side.  Next . . .
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> From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com> 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2023 6:33 AM
> To: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>; 'Mike & Elizabeth' <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>; jderyke at aol.com; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; 'Asa Jay Laughton' <asajay at asajay.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod Pressure Plate - Old and New / Advice Removing Pilot Bushing
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> I wouldn't try the tap trick with the needle bearing pilot.
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> The only thing that I've found that works with the needle bearing pilot is the careful use of 4 letter words.
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> On 7/25/23, 9:26 AM, "Charles Engles" <cengles at cox.net <mailto:cengles at cox.net>> wrote:
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> Dear Will,
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> You "hate removing those"? Me, too. I have found the pilot needle bearing units to be a much more challenging job than the oilite bushing removal. I thought it was just me. I would be keen to know if the 5/8" tap method works well for the resistant pilot needle bearing units.
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> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod Pressure Plate - Old and New / Advice Removing Pilot Bushing
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> Ouch. I hate removing those.
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> On 7/24/23, 3:46 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike & Elizabeth" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of mbefthomas2 at gmail.com <mailto:mbefthomas2 at gmail.com> <mailto:mbefthomas2 at gmail.com <mailto:mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>>> wrote:
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> I could see the tap working if it was an oilite bronze pilot but mine is a needle bearing pilot. I'll give it a go though.
> Thanks
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod Pressure Plate - Old and New / Advice Removing Pilot Bushing
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> Pulling a pilot bushing is sooo simple and mess-free if you simply screw a 5/8" tap (either thread size) into the bushing, thread until it bottoms, then continue to turn until the bushing is jacked out. Clean-up involves wiping bronze thread-swarf up. With the hammer;hydraulic approach, clean up covers everything within a 10-12 ft radius including the hammerer.
> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 09:10:23 PM PDT, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>> wrote: 
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> It was -very-, no... -extremely- messy when I tried it. And in the end, I still needed a puller. I'm sure I'll be using it again. :)
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>> On 7/23/2023 20:28, Mike Becker wrote:
>> Same trick works well with grease, but it's probably a little bit more 
>> messy 😊
>> Mike
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod Pressure Plate - Old and New / Advice 
>> Removing Pilot Bushing
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>> Mike,
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>> Wet toilet paper is your friend.
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>> Tear off squares of toilet paper and soak them in water and then pack them in the hole, completely filling the cavity in the end of the crank and the hole in the center of the old bearing. Get a socket that just barely fits inside the bearing, and put it bottom end in to the hole. Whang with a BFH. As the socket compresses the TP it will force the bearing out hydraulically. You will likely have to remove the socket and add more TP as the bearing comes out.
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>> Mike
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>>>> On Jul 23, 2023, at 19:42, Mike & Elizabeth <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com <mailto:mbefthomas2 at gmail.com> <mailto:mbefthomas2 at gmail.com <mailto:mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>>> wrote:
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>>> Following up on the previous thread about the McLeod pressure plate.
>>> Attached is a pic of the old one I took off the engine (orange, on 
>>> the
>>> right) and the new one that just arrived from Dennis Quella. Note the 
>>> differences in both the bolt patterns and the design of the diaphragm 
>>> fingers. It will be interesting to see if it feels any different than 
>>> the previous one did when it was new.
>>> 
>>> Side note and request for ideas: As you can see next to the new 
>>> pressure plate I've ordered a new pilot bushing. The one I'll be 
>>> pulling out I installed when I put the previous McLeod clutch in the 
>>> car, and it is a VERY tight fit. I don't recall using any anti-seize 
>>> when I installed it (mia
>>> culpa) but I remember it requiring the use of a large socket and 
>>> hammer to whack it into place. I've started putting some penetrating 
>>> oil around it to help the extraction process, and will rent or buy a 
>>> pilot bearing puller, but I know it's going to be a real pain to get 
>>> out. Any other suggestions to ease this process?
>>> 
>>> Once out, I'm wondering if I should hone the opening slightly to 
>>> provide for an easier fit of the new one. I can't imagine that 
>>> hammering on the end of the crank like that does it any good. I'll 
>>> also try one thing I've been suggested which was to put the new 
>>> bearing in the freezer before installing it.
>>> 
>>> Your thoughts and input are encouraged.
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Mike Thomas
>>> VERY soon to be yellow 6328
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>>> Subject: McLeod Pressure Plate
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>>> Just received the new McLeod pressure plate from Quella. Much 
>>> different than the one I took out in color and configuration. I've 
>>> sent an email to Adam and Dennis asking, but it looks like my old one 
>>> may have been a Centerforce. I do recall their color being orange 
>>> rather than the distinctive McLeod red.
>>> 
>>> Mike Thomas
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