[DeTomaso] Current Recommendations on Clutches
Mike Drew
mikeldrew at aol.com
Wed Jul 12 18:26:45 EDT 2023
Jeff,
The principal problem with the stock clutch is that you can’t buy another stock clutch—they haven’t been available from Ford for decades. So when your perfectly good stock clutch wears out, you have it turn to the aftermarket for a replacement.
The stock clutch has a lot going for it, and is perfectly suited for moderately brisk street driving. It won’t survive long behind 550 horsepower though. That’s where the aftermarket steps in.
The entry-level McLeod three-finger clutch with organic disc is nominally the same as the stock clutch and is all that the vast majority of oriole would ever need. More aggressive friction materials are needed if the car has a tin of power, and there are always trade offs. Carbon Kevlar discs can withstand much more power but are typically a bit grabby and not nearly as well-behaved as an organic disc for regular street driving.
Supposedly, a diaphragm style pressure plate offers less pedal effort for a given amount of clamping force, or alternately, greater clamping force for a given amount of pedal pressure, depending on which one you get. Honestly I haven’t been able to tell a tremendous amount of difference.
We put a diaphragm clutch in Lori’s car because it came to her with a stupid ‘racing’ clutch that took a thousand pounds of pedal effort to release—it was completely absurd. So that made a tremendous improvement of course.
Awhile back I replaced my McLeod three-finger clutch with a McLeod diaphragm clutch. I can’t say I can notice much reduction in pedal effort, but the clutch chatters during gentle operation, and requires some moderately high-rpm clutch slipping to move smoothly at a walking pace . Lori’s clutch is far better behaved. (My aluminum flywheel also plays an adverse role here).
Mike
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> On Jul 12, 2023, at 13:02, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> What makes the McLeod clutch that much better than the stock clutch?
> Soother to engage, less foot pressure to release, longer lasting, etc?
> Just curious, Iave always been satisfied with the stock clutch.A
>
> Jeff
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> On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 11:07 AM Larry Stock
> <[1]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
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> Mike,
> Here what McLeod says about your clutch pressure plate.
> "Thatas an older unit of ours. 360850 is the part number.
> Brian Gwin
> Sales Director
> McLeod Racing"
> i>>?On 7/11/23, 4:06 PM, "Mike & Elizabeth"
> <[2]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com <mailto:[3]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Thanks Larry. Mike, I'll have you and Doug take a look at my clutch
> disc this Saturday but I'm pretty sure it's in good shape.
> Mike
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Current Recommendations on Clutches
> As McLeod put it; "I think some people donat realize that some of
> our pressure plates are drilled with multiple patterns to fit
> different flywheels."
> i>>?On 7/11/23, 2:14 PM, "Mike & Elizabeth"
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> Nine, right, and I did have it fastened with just six.
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> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Current Recommendations on Clutches
> Count the number of mounting holesa|..
> Mike
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>>> On Jul 11, 2023, at 12:40, Mike & Elizabeth
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>> i>>?Here is a larger pic of the pressure plate showing the
> complete part. I didn't see any McLeod markings.
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>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Current Recommendations on Clutches
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>> Hi Guys,
>> This is the response direct from McLeod to me;
>>
>> Ask for a better picture of that pressure plate. Iam not 100% sure
> itas even ours.
>>
>> As far as a 9 bolt pressure plate, thatas false. I think some
> people donat realize that some of our pressure plates are drilled
> with multiple patterns to fit different flywheels. For example our
> 360850 11a pressure plate has both the 11a diaphragm and 11a long
> patterns in them. Thatas what Dennis buys all the time. Iam pretty
> sure that the pressure plate pictured is not a 360850 but canat tell
> by that cut off picture of it.
>>
>> Your open order for the Pantera Clutches should ship in the next
> 3-5 days.
>> Larry Stock
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> i>>?I'm expediting a current McLeod Stock order now for our
> regular stock 11" 3 finger and RST clutches we typically stock, and
> I asked about this 11" Diaphragm clutch as well, I'll see what they
> say and get back with you.
>> Larry
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>> New production McLeod diaphragm Pantera pressure plates are
> different from before, and are actually made in Germany by a company
> called Luk. The current production uses nine bolts to secure them to
> the flywheel which is super weird. Dennis says to just use six of
> them (one of the center and one on the side) and leave the extra
> holes alone, although I suppose you could drill the flywheel to
> accept the extra three bolts.
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>> Mike
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>>> i>>? Mike,
>>>
>>> I think you'll find McLeod still makes your diaphragm pressure
> plate
>>> but they no longer list it in their catalog. Call Dennis or call
>>> McLeod and get the part #.
>>>
>>> Dave
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