[DeTomaso] Tesla Drivers???
Konrad Szwab
kszwab at gmail.com
Sun Sep 4 13:34:55 EDT 2022
They are just glorified, some with better quality materials, laptop
batteries, which are crap.
Electrical engineers like me know the truth, as shitty as it is.
Once you accept the limitations and the purpose they can fulfill, they can
be great cars.
I would love to have s Tesla to complement my Pantera, H1, Maseratis,
justvto drive it to work now and then and play with the newer tech.
I just cannot afford not justify the cost and do not want the range anxiety
I have with my phone that I have a huge battery sleeve on now migrate to my
car when I just want to get to work.
On Sun, Sep 4, 2022, 7:38 AM Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
> The batteries are a real problem.
>
> My 2001 Honda Insight got 73mpg when it was new. It drove like a typical
> compact.
>
> The battery pack died at 70K miles. The cost to replace was $4K at the
> dealer. I did it myself for $1.2K. As stated, you can buy a lot of gas
> for $1.2K.
>
> The second battery pack died after another 60K miles. This time I
> replaced it with a "better battery". It was $1K.
>
> The third battery pack died after another 60K miles. I replaced it one
> final time. This one lasted about 50K miles.
>
> We put 250K miles on the Insight. We loved the car. I just got turned
> off at having to change batteries, plus as they age, they take longer to
> charge. That's from my experience, anyway.
>
> Those doing math realize 70K + 60K + 60K + 50K = 240K. For the other 10K,
> we drove with a dead battery. Yes, you can do that on this type of
> hybrid. The battery only serves as to boost the engine under high load
> situations - acceleration, passing, etc. It's a real turd without the
> battery.
>
> Btw, I don't know if they're still doing it, but there was a company that
> converted Honda Insights to a Honda S2000 drivetrain - and they still got
> 40-45mpg!! So, a big part of the Insight's MPG is the aero, plus the
> weight. They were under 2,000 lbs.
>
>
> On 9/3/22, 7:56 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift" <
> detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Although EV batteries are expensive, the invoice is for a
> first-generation Chevy Volt NiMH battery, it's an antique for which
> GM
> no longer supports or manufacturers the battery. If you are
> determined
> to keep an old obsolete antique on the road it can add up.....!
>
> Some of the OEM's are developing swappable cells so there won't be a
> need to replace the whole unit for a defective cell. The average
> modern
> Li-ion battery has 3,500+ charge life, with a range of 400 miles,
> that's 1.4M miles or 93 years for the average driver of 15,000 miles
> annually.
>
> Julian
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
> behalf of
> Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2022 3:30 PM
> To: Konrad Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com>; Detomaso List
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Larry Stock
> <larrys at panteraparts.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tesla Drivers???
>
> You can buy a lot of gas for $27,000:
> On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 01:57:05 PM PDT, Larry Stock
> <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>
> I think Electric cars have their place in society just like Trucks
> and
> golf carts do.
> Larry
> On 9/2/22, 1:49 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Konrad Szwab"
> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> kszwab at gmail.com> wrote:
> I think electric cars are the way of the future, for better or
> worse,
> due to governmental regulation. I hate my cars being
> demonized by
> these
> arrogant "holier than thou" hypocrites, personally, although
> at
> some
> point I do plan to get an electric car just to get used to
> it. I
> think
> as commuter cars for going to work they are great and that is
> about it.
> I still recall about a year ago the pissed off looks a Tesla
> driving
> dude was giving me when my now dead truck was idling nicely
> with
> the
> exhaust perfectly placed near his open window at a stoplight.
> The
> V8
> being a straight pipe the noise was an added factor for Konrad
> enjoying
> himself being a total ass :)
> On Fri, Sep 2, 2022 at 3:42 PM Julian Kift
> <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> A A Yes, I see that often now, there's a proliferation of
> Tesla's
> here in
> A A Reno with the Gigafactory close by.
> A A I drove my first Tesla about a month ago in Montreal,
> rental
> cars were
> A A in high demand, and all they had available was a Tesla
> 3.
> Once
> I
> A A figured out the card (key) swipe to make it work it was
> easy. I
> have to
> A A say that rush and pinning to the seat as you press the
> go
> pedal
> hard is
> A A exhilarating, but (and it's a big butt) everything else
> was
> just
> A A boring, there is literally nothing else to get excited
> about,
> it has no
> A A soul, it gets you from A to B in a utilitarian there's
> an
> 'app
> for
> A A that' kind of way. On the interaction side I found it
> annoying
> more
> A A than anything (in a kind of nagging wife way) and I
> ended
> up
> navigating
> A A using my iPhone for a more direct route.
> A A So, to answer your question, I think it's more of a
> case
> of the
> only
> A A pleasure one can derive from driving a Tesla is the
> instantaneous
> A A torque away from the lights, after that the battery
> efficiency
> warning
> A A light comes on and one is chastised into fictitiously
> saving
> the planet
> A A once more.
> A A Julian
> A A
> A
> __________________________________________________________________
> A A From: DeTomaso
> <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
> behalf of
> A A Corey Price <[3]coreyjprice at gmail.com>
> A A Sent: Friday, September 2, 2022 12:52 PM
> A A To: Detomaso List <[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> >
> A A Subject: [DeTomaso] Tesla Drivers???
> A A So reading about Konrad's unfortunate experience, he
> mentioned
> A A something about Tesla drivers. I have had multiple
> Tesla
> drivers
> A A wanting to race me since I got my Pantera on the
> street.
> The
> first one
> A A was interesting and I let him go, not wanting to race
> on
> the
> street.
> A A The next few got annoying and I wanted nothing to do
> with
> that.
> I'll
> A A enjoy my car the way I want to, thank you. Anyone else
> experienced this
> A A sudden desire of Tesla owners to race you?
> A A Corey
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They are just glorified, some with better quality materials, laptop
batteries, which are crap.
Electrical engineers like me know the truth, as shitty as it is.
Once you accept the limitations and the purpose they can fulfill, they
can be great cars.
I would love to have s Tesla to complement my Pantera, H1, Maseratis,
justvto drive it to work now and then and play with the newer tech.
I just cannot afford not justify the cost and do not want the range
anxiety I have with my phone that I have a huge battery sleeve on now
migrate to my car when I just want to get to work.
On Sun, Sep 4, 2022, 7:38 AM Will Kooiman <[1]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
wrote:
The batteries are a real problem.
My 2001 Honda Insight got 73mpg when it was new.A It drove like a
typical compact.
The battery pack died at 70K miles.A The cost to replace was $4K at
the dealer.A I did it myself for $1.2K.A As stated, you can buy a
lot of gas for $1.2K.
The second battery pack died after another 60K miles.A This time I
replaced it with a "better battery".A It was $1K.
The third battery pack died after another 60K miles.A I replaced it
one final time.A This one lasted about 50K miles.
We put 250K miles on the Insight.A We loved the car.A I just got
turned off at having to change batteries, plus as they age, they
take longer to charge.A That's from my experience, anyway.
Those doing math realize 70K + 60K + 60K + 50K = 240K.A For the
other 10K, we drove with a dead battery.A Yes, you can do that on
this type of hybrid.A The battery only serves as to boost the
engine under high load situations - acceleration, passing, etc.A
It's a real turd without the battery.
Btw, I don't know if they're still doing it, but there was a company
that converted Honda Insights to a Honda S2000 drivetrain - and they
still got 40-45mpg!!A A So, a big part of the Insight's MPG is the
aero, plus the weight.A They were under 2,000 lbs.
i>>?On 9/3/22, 7:56 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift"
<[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[3]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
A A A A Although EV batteries are expensive, the invoice is for a
A A A A first-generation Chevy Volt NiMH battery, it's an antique
for which GM
A A A A no longer supports or manufacturers the battery. If you
are determined
A A A A to keep an old obsolete antique on the road it can add
up.....!
A A A A Some of the OEM's are developing swappable cells so there
won't be a
A A A A need to replace the whole unit for a defective cell. The
average modern
A A A A Li-ion battery has 3,500+ charge life, with a range of
400 miles,
A A A A that's 1.4M miles or 93 years for the average driver of
15,000 miles
A A A A annually.
A A A A Julian
A A A A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A A A From: DeTomaso
<[4]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
A A A A Ken Green via DeTomaso
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A A A A Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2022 3:30 PM
A A A A To: Konrad Szwab <[6]kszwab at gmail.com>; Detomaso List
A A A A <[7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Larry Stock
A A A A <[8]larrys at panteraparts.com>
A A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tesla Drivers???
A A A A You can buy a lot of gas for $27,000:
A A A A A A On Friday, September 2, 2022 at 01:57:05 PM PDT,
Larry Stock
A A A A <[9]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
A A A A I think Electric cars have their place in society just
like Trucks and
A A A A golf carts do.
A A A A Larry
A A A A On 9/2/22, 1:49 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Konrad Szwab"
A A A A <[10]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf
of
A A A A [11]kszwab at gmail.com> wrote:
A A A A A A A I think electric cars are the way of the future,
for better or
A A A A worse,
A A A A A A A due to governmental regulation. I hate my cars
being demonized by
A A A A these
A A A A A A A arrogant "holier than thou" hypocrites,
personally, although at
A A A A some
A A A A A A A point I do plan to get an electric car just to
get used to it. I
A A A A think
A A A A A A A as commuter cars for going to work they are
great and that is
A A A A about it.
A A A A A A A I still recall about a year ago the pissed off
looks a Tesla
A A A A driving
A A A A A A A dude was giving me when my now dead truck was
idling nicely with
A A A A the
A A A A A A A exhaust perfectly placed near his open window at
a stoplight. The
A A A A V8
A A A A A A A being a straight pipe the noise was an added
factor for Konrad
A A A A enjoying
A A A A A A A himself being a total ass :)
A A A A A A A On Fri, Sep 2, 2022 at 3:42 PM Julian Kift
A A A A <[1][12]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A A A A A A wrote:
A A A A A A A A AA A Yes, I see that often now, there's a
proliferation of
A A A A Tesla's
A A A A A A A A here in
A A A A A A A A AA A Reno with the Gigafactory close by.
A A A A A A A A AA A I drove my first Tesla about a month
ago in Montreal,
A A A A rental
A A A A A A A A cars were
A A A A A A A A AA A in high demand, and all they had
available was a Tesla 3.
A A A A Once
A A A A A A A A I
A A A A A A A A AA A figured out the card (key) swipe to
make it work it was
A A A A easy. I
A A A A A A A A have to
A A A A A A A A AA A say that rush and pinning to the seat
as you press the go
A A A A pedal
A A A A A A A A hard is
A A A A A A A A AA A exhilarating, but (and it's a big butt)
everything else
A A A A was
A A A A A A A A just
A A A A A A A A AA A boring, there is literally nothing else
to get excited
A A A A about,
A A A A A A A A it has no
A A A A A A A A AA A soul, it gets you from A to B in a
utilitarian there's an
A A A A 'app
A A A A A A A A for
A A A A A A A A AA A that' kind of way. On the interaction
side I found it
A A A A annoying
A A A A A A A A more
A A A A A A A A AA A than anything (in a kind of nagging
wife way) and I ended
A A A A up
A A A A A A A A navigating
A A A A A A A A AA A using my iPhone for a more direct
route.
A A A A A A A A AA A So, to answer your question, I think
it's more of a case
A A A A of the
A A A A A A A A only
A A A A A A A A AA A pleasure one can derive from driving a
Tesla is the
A A A A A A A A instantaneous
A A A A A A A A AA A torque away from the lights, after that
the battery
A A A A efficiency
A A A A A A A A warning
A A A A A A A A AA A light comes on and one is chastised
into fictitiously
A A A A saving
A A A A A A A A the planet
A A A A A A A A AA A once more.
A A A A A A A A AA A Julian
A A A A A A A A AA A
A A A A A A A A A
A A A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A A A A A A A AA A From: DeTomaso
A A A A <[2][13]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
A A A A A A A A behalf of
A A A A A A A A AA A Corey Price
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A A A A A A A A AA A Sent: Friday, September 2, 2022 12:52
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A A A A A A A A AA A Subject: [DeTomaso] Tesla Drivers???
A A A A A A A A AA A So reading about Konrad's unfortunate
experience, he
A A A A mentioned
A A A A A A A A AA A something about Tesla drivers. I have
had multiple Tesla
A A A A A A A A drivers
A A A A A A A A AA A wanting to race me since I got my
Pantera on the street.
A A A A The
A A A A A A A A first one
A A A A A A A A AA A was interesting and I let him go, not
wanting to race on
A A A A the
A A A A A A A A street.
A A A A A A A A AA A The next few got annoying and I wanted
nothing to do with
A A A A that.
A A A A A A A A I'll
A A A A A A A A AA A enjoy my car the way I want to, thank
you. Anyone else
A A A A A A A A experienced this
A A A A A A A A AA A sudden desire of Tesla owners to race
you?
A A A A A A A A AA A Corey
A A A A A A A A AA A
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