[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 220, Issue 21

Mike & Elizabeth mbefthomas2 at gmail.com
Mon Oct 24 12:41:44 EDT 2022 

Trip, good to hear from you.

 

If you bushings are showing cracks it’s likely the rubber has dried out and begun to deteriorate.  If you are going that far, take a close look at you ball joints as well.  If the boots are in good shape and still pliable, they may still be good.  

 

To pop the ball joint out of the A-arm, supposedly you can whack the nub on the back of the upright casting with a heavy hammer to get the ball join lose.  Never worked for me.  My best luck has been with a ball joint separator.  I have one like this one from Home Depot  https://www.homedepot.com/p/GEARWRENCH-Universal-Ball-Joint-Separator-for-1-1-8-in-2-1-8-in-and-30mm-56mm-Joints-3916D/205594195?source=shoppingads <https://www.homedepot.com/p/GEARWRENCH-Universal-Ball-Joint-Separator-for-1-1-8-in-2-1-8-in-and-30mm-56mm-Joints-3916D/205594195?source=shoppingads&locale=en-US&srsltid=AR5OiO0ub0F9m8V_xLHAYDBVS1T6hdP9PCLU7jOZSs7B_jTCiyZlcscXYaw> &locale=en-US&srsltid=AR5OiO0ub0F9m8V_xLHAYDBVS1T6hdP9PCLU7jOZSs7B_jTCiyZlcscXYaw.  Very effective and easy to use.  If you plan to reuse your existing ball joints, you have to be careful not to damage the rubber boot.

 

Once you have the ball joints separated and the A-arms removed, test your ball joints to see if they are still stiff when you try to rotate them by hand.  If they are and the boots are in good shape, now would be good time to take them to someone who can tap them for a zerk fitting (for a grease gun) to push some lube into them to extend their life.  This would be done on the side opposite the threaded end in the center of the dome.  If they ae loose and sloppy, they need to be replaced along with the bushings.  Give your tie rod ends the same test.

 

According to Mike Drew, the bushings for the 5-S are the same as earlier Panteras, but it would be a good idea to consider polyurethane bushings from one of our vendors.  If you want to stay with stock bushings and needs some, I have two full sets of 16 bushings.  I’d be happy to sell you one for a reasonable price.

 

Good luck, your results may vary . . .

Mike Thomas

 

 

From: Trip Owen <lance730 at msn.com> 
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 8:34 AM
To: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>; Mike & Elizabeth <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 220, Issue 21

 

Mike – I am up to around 12,000 miles – the bushings on upper rear A arm bushings look shot, lots of cracks –

I just tried removing the upper ball joint to remove the A arm – forgetaboutit – that thing is really stuck on.

Holy smokes, I guess I have to heat it and beat the hell out of it…thanks for helping………

Trip 88’ GT5-S

DC

 

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From: MICHAEL DREW <mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com> 
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 10:31 AM
To: Mike  <mailto:mbefthomas2 at gmail.com> & Elizabeth
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 220, Issue 21

 

Mike,

They are all the same. 

Trip—unless you have 100k miles there should be no need to change them?

Mike 

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> Trip, it would likely be helpful for folks to know that you're swapping
> bushings on a GT5-S (I assume that's the car you are working on).  Not sure
> but the bushings may be different.
> 
> Mike Thomas
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> Anyone have experience in getting rear Koni's rebuilt?  Where to go? Also
> best place to buy A arm bushings - I assume the A arms have to removed to
> press bushing in? right? Or can they be removed, and installed, one side at
> a time while shock and tire are off?
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> I've tried to remove the yellow plastic condenser fan from the motor but it
> seems stuck.  After removing the nut and washer, is it a press fit or is
> there some sort of a spring clip that needs to be removed as well.
> 
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> Thanks
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>   I've tried to remove the yellow plastic condenser fan from the motor
>   but it seems stuck.  After removing the nut and washer, is it a press
>   fit or is there some sort of a spring clip that needs to be removed as
>   well.
> 
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>   Thanks
> 
>   Mike Thomas
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   Trip, good to hear from you.


   If you bushings are showing cracks it's likely the rubber has dried out
   and begun to deteriorate.  If you are going that far, take a close look
   at you ball joints as well.  If the boots are in good shape and still
   pliable, they may still be good.


   To pop the ball joint out of the A-arm, supposedly you can whack the
   nub on the back of the upright casting with a heavy hammer to get the
   ball join lose.  Never worked for me.  My best luck has been with a
   ball joint separator.  I have one like this one from Home Depot
   [1]https://www.homedepot.com/p/GEARWRENCH-Universal-Ball-Joint-Separato
   r-for-1-1-8-in-2-1-8-in-and-30mm-56mm-Joints-3916D/205594195?source=sho
   ppingads&locale=en-US&srsltid=AR5OiO0ub0F9m8V_xLHAYDBVS1T6hdP9PCLU7jOZS
   s7B_jTCiyZlcscXYaw.  Very effective and easy to use.  If you plan to
   reuse your existing ball joints, you have to be careful not to damage
   the rubber boot.


   Once you have the ball joints separated and the A-arms removed, test
   your ball joints to see if they are still stiff when you try to rotate
   them by hand.  If they are and the boots are in good shape, now would
   be good time to take them to someone who can tap them for a zerk
   fitting (for a grease gun) to push some lube into them to extend their
   life.  This would be done on the side opposite the threaded end in the
   center of the dome.  If they ae loose and sloppy, they need to be
   replaced along with the bushings.  Give your tie rod ends the same
   test.


   According to Mike Drew, the bushings for the 5-S are the same as
   earlier Panteras, but it would be a good idea to consider polyurethane
   bushings from one of our vendors.  If you want to stay with stock
   bushings and needs some, I have two full sets of 16 bushings.  I'd be
   happy to sell you one for a reasonable price.


   Good luck, your results may vary . . .

   Mike Thomas



   From: Trip Owen <lance730 at msn.com>
   Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 8:34 AM
   To: MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com>; Mike & Elizabeth
   <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
   Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 220, Issue 21


   Mike - I am up to around 12,000 miles - the bushings on upper rear A
   arm bushings look shot, lots of cracks -

   I just tried removing the upper ball joint to remove the A arm -
   forgetaboutit - that thing is really stuck on.

   Holy smokes, I guess I have to heat it and beat the hell out of
   it...thanks for helping.........

   Trip 88' GT5-S

   DC


   Sent from [2]Mail for Windows


   From: [3]MICHAEL DREW
   Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 10:31 AM
   To: [4]Mike & Elizabeth
   Cc: [5]Trip Owen; [6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 220, Issue 21


   Mike,
   They are all the same.
   Trip--unless you have 100k miles there should be no need to change
   them?
   Mike
   Sent from my iPhone
   > On Oct 24, 2022, at 09:26, Mike & Elizabeth
   <[7]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com> wrote:
   >
   > Trip, it would likely be helpful for folks to know that you're
   swapping
   > bushings on a GT5-S (I assume that's the car you are working on).
   Not sure
   > but the bushings may be different.
   >
   > Mike Thomas
   >
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   Behalf Of Trip
   > Owen
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   > Anyone have experience in getting rear Koni's rebuilt?  Where to go?
   Also
   > best place to buy A arm bushings - I assume the A arms have to
   removed to
   > press bushing in? right? Or can they be removed, and installed, one
   side at
   > a time while shock and tire are off?
   > Trip
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   > I've tried to remove the yellow plastic condenser fan from the motor
   but it
   > seems stuck.  After removing the nut and washer, is it a press fit or
   is
   > there some sort of a spring clip that needs to be removed as well.
   >
   >
   >
   > Thanks
   >
   > Mike Thomas
   >
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   >   I've tried to remove the yellow plastic condenser fan from the
   motor
   >   but it seems stuck.  After removing the nut and washer, is it a
   press
   >   fit or is there some sort of a spring clip that needs to be removed
   as
   >   well.
   >
   >
   >   Thanks
   >
   >   Mike Thomas
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