[DeTomaso] Radiator Grommets

Julian Kift julian_kift at hotmail.com
Sun Nov 13 13:08:48 EST 2022


Richard,

Don't over think this, the pegs on the radiator are going to hold the grommet in place anyway, I'd be more concerned on the grommet durometer rating and whether there will actually be any dampening effect.

Julian
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2022 9:57 AM
To: Al C <pantera at cox.net>
Cc: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator Grommets

If someone convinces me that the slice in the grommet, despite that it was still a force fit so tight that it won’t rotate without using pliers, ruined the grommet’s job, I’ll look into trying that stuff.

Thank you Al.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 13, 2022, at 08:41, Al C <pantera at cox.net> wrote:
>
> 
> Try soaking in this stuff, available on Amazon
> it works by replacing lost plasticizers in rubber which has been left on the shelf.
>
> ATP AT-205 Re-Seal Stops Leaks, 8 Ounce Bottle
>
> Good luck, Al  (3915)
>
>> On Sat, Nov 12, 2022 at 12:14 PM Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
>> I’m trying a new technique with them cold. If it doesn’t work I’ll boil them and try again, then contact Ken.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Nov 12, 2022, at 13:18, Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Did they give any reason as to why they are so hard? It seems ordinary rubber gromets would be just fine? The only idea I can think of is maybe let them steep in simmering hot water for an hour or two? Maybe that might make them more pliable?
>> >
>> > Good luck,
>> >
>> > Gray
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On Behalf Of Richard Greenblum
>> > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2022 12:17 PM
>> > To: Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com>
>> > Cc: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator Grommets
>> >
>> > Thanks Gray. I did that. I now have grommets from both PPCs and they are identical. Adam didn’t respond to my cry for help, Larry said I did what I should be doing. I’m going to keep trying and see what happens—like I have a choice….
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >> On Nov 12, 2022, at 12:02, Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hmmm that seems odd. I was going to reply; if your old gromets are to hard to get back in then maybe you should order new ones.... I would contact the vendor and ask if they are supposed to be hard? And if so, how do they suggest you get them in.
>> >>
>> >> Good luck,
>> >>
>> >> Gray
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On Behalf Of
>> >> Richard Greenblum
>> >> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2022 10:24 AM
>> >> To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
>> >> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator Grommets
>> >>
>> >> I haven’t measured anything because the new grommets and the old are identical in size and shape. The only difference is the old we’re soft, the new hard.
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >>>> On Nov 12, 2022, at 10:10, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Richard,
>> >>>
>> >>> Have you measured the inside diameter of the hole in the metal
>> >>> support bracket vs the outside diameter of the groove in the middle
>> >>> of the grommets? If the hole is smaller than the groove it will never work.
>> >>> If the hole is larger than the groove, then you aren’t trying hard
>> >>> enough. :)
>> >>>
>> >>> Mike
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent from my iPad
>> >>>
>> >>>>> On Nov 12, 2022, at 08:04, Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Anyone have any tips on installing the lower radiator grommets?  I’ve tried everything I know.  Boiled into oblivion, silicon on the grommet and the bracket, screw drivers, pliers, even a ¼ inch to ⅜ inch socket converter with extensions to push it in with the help of a rubber mallet.  I’m not getting close because the rubber is so hard, even after 20 minutes in boiling water.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Richard
>> >>>> Austin, TX
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
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   Richard,

   Don't over think this, the pegs on the radiator are going to hold the
   grommet in place anyway, I'd be more concerned on the grommet durometer
   rating and whether there will actually be any dampening effect.

   Julian
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
   Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com>
   Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2022 9:57 AM
   To: Al C <pantera at cox.net>
   Cc: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator Grommets

   If someone convinces me that the slice in the grommet, despite that it
   was still a force fit so tight that it won't rotate without using
   pliers, ruined the grommet's job, I'll look into trying that stuff.
   Thank you Al.
   Sent from my iPhone
   > On Nov 13, 2022, at 08:41, Al C <pantera at cox.net> wrote:
   >
   >
   > Try soaking in this stuff, available on Amazon
   > it works by replacing lost plasticizers in rubber which has been left
   on the shelf.
   >
   > ATP AT-205 Re-Seal Stops Leaks, 8 Ounce Bottle
   >
   > Good luck, Al  (3915)
   >
   >> On Sat, Nov 12, 2022 at 12:14 PM Richard Greenblum
   <richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
   >> I'm trying a new technique with them cold. If it doesn't work I'll
   boil them and try again, then contact Ken.
   >>
   >> Sent from my iPhone
   >>
   >> > On Nov 12, 2022, at 13:18, Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com>
   wrote:
   >> >
   >> > Did they give any reason as to why they are so hard? It seems
   ordinary rubber gromets would be just fine? The only idea I can think
   of is maybe let them steep in simmering hot water for an hour or two?
   Maybe that might make them more pliable?
   >> >
   >> > Good luck,
   >> >
   >> > Gray
   >> >
   >> > -----Original Message-----
   >> > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On
   Behalf Of Richard Greenblum
   >> > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2022 12:17 PM
   >> > To: Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com>
   >> > Cc: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>;
   detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator Grommets
   >> >
   >> > Thanks Gray. I did that. I now have grommets from both PPCs and
   they are identical. Adam didn't respond to my cry for help, Larry said
   I did what I should be doing. I'm going to keep trying and see what
   happens--like I have a choice....
   >> >
   >> > Sent from my iPhone
   >> >
   >> >> On Nov 12, 2022, at 12:02, Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com>
   wrote:
   >> >>
   >> >> Hmmm that seems odd. I was going to reply; if your old gromets
   are to hard to get back in then maybe you should order new ones.... I
   would contact the vendor and ask if they are supposed to be hard? And
   if so, how do they suggest you get them in.
   >> >>
   >> >> Good luck,
   >> >>
   >> >> Gray
   >> >>
   >> >> -----Original Message-----
   >> >> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On
   Behalf Of
   >> >> Richard Greenblum
   >> >> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2022 10:24 AM
   >> >> To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
   >> >> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   >> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator Grommets
   >> >>
   >> >> I haven't measured anything because the new grommets and the old
   are identical in size and shape. The only difference is the old we're
   soft, the new hard.
   >> >>
   >> >> Sent from my iPhone
   >> >>
   >> >>>> On Nov 12, 2022, at 10:10, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   >> >>>
   >> >>> Richard,
   >> >>>
   >> >>> Have you measured the inside diameter of the hole in the metal
   >> >>> support bracket vs the outside diameter of the groove in the
   middle
   >> >>> of the grommets? If the hole is smaller than the groove it will
   never work.
   >> >>> If the hole is larger than the groove, then you aren't trying
   hard
   >> >>> enough. :)
   >> >>>
   >> >>> Mike
   >> >>>
   >> >>> Sent from my iPad
   >> >>>
   >> >>>>> On Nov 12, 2022, at 08:04, Richard Greenblum
   <richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
   >> >>>>
   >> >>>> Anyone have any tips on installing the lower radiator
   grommets?  I've tried everything I know.  Boiled into oblivion, silicon
   on the grommet and the bracket, screw drivers, pliers, even a 1/4 inch
   to 3/8 inch socket converter with extensions to push it in with the
   help of a rubber mallet.  I'm not getting close because the rubber is
   so hard, even after 20 minutes in boiling water.
   >> >>>>
   >> >>>> Richard
   >> >>>> Austin, TX
   >> >>>>
   >> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
   >> >>>>
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