[DeTomaso] Daytona Update
Gray Gregory
rgg at gregorycook.com
Sun Nov 6 21:36:21 EST 2022
Steve,
Given opportunity for penalties and / or delays that the rules regarding fueling in most of the US Enduros present I would try everything you can to avoid needing to fuel. First make sure your pickup is allowing you to suck all the fuel out of the cell and then if need be find a way to add capacity.
Gray
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On Behalf Of Steve Lisa
Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2022 1:12 PM
To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Cc: List DeTomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Daytona Update
Mike, you are absolutely right that we should set it up for dump cans. It will never need to run more than an hour in any vintage Enduro we do here in the states, and they all have a mandatory stop. We can dump 5 gallons in 7 seconds, which means even I can get out and back in. We would have done it here, but we just didn't plan on the Pantera doing the 24. We will be better prorated next time it does.
Regards,
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
Lisa & Lesko, LLC
Scottsdale, AZ / Chicago, IL
Direct- 480-442-0297
stevelisa at patentit.com
On Sat, Nov 5, 2022, 10:05 AM Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com> wrote:
> Steve,
>
> Fascinating stuff. I never would have thought to consider that it
> might be better off to drive more gently rather than just hammering it
> all the time and stopping for fuel as necessary.
>
> Time to consider setting the car up for dump cans? The factory Gr4
> cars started off with Cobra-style flip open fuel fillers in the ‘gill’
> on the side, but evolved to using pressure break fillers in the roof.
>
> Good luck this weekend!!!
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Nov 5, 2022, at 08:33, Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:
> >
> > An interesting strategy issue came up.A Our 19 gallon fuel cell
> > actually (due to foam) only holds 18.5 gallons.A We are burning
> > "about" 1 gallon per lap on average through the first 5 sessions of the
> > weekend.A And, at our race pace, we will run at.most 19 laps in a
> > session (with no cautions etc).A
> > We have a mandatory 3 minute pit stop each leg of the 24-hour, and the
> > driver has to get out of the car for fueling.A There is about 40
> > seconds of pit lane "in-out" time, leaving about 2:20 for driver to
> > stop, exit, the crew to fuel, and the driver to get back in, belt up
> > and get going.A The Pantera is not set up for a dump can (as was not
> > intended to run this 24-hour event).A It's a very slow fuel.A Plus,
> > the driver cant be getting in the car while the crew is fueling.A
> > Since I have issued at my age getting in over the driver bars and
> > reaching belts etc., we figure I will need an extra 60-90 seconds over
> > the 3 minutes for an old fart like me to get out/back in the car and
> > buckled up and going, in addition to fueling even a few gallons, plus
> > pit in/out time. In short, we will lose the equivalent of average 4-5
> > seconds in average lap time for the session due to a pit stop over 3
> > minutes when I am driving.
> > If we run our race pace, we will run 19.5 laps, surely running out of
> > fuel if we don't add fuel at the stop.A If we slow down 3 seconds a
> > lap we will run 18 laps, and we should make it.A If we get a yellow,
> > we are good.A
> > Our current decision is to run the first session at a reduced pace and
> > not fuel it during the 3 minute stop, hopefully making it through with
> > gas/car preservation mode.A Then, we will see what gas we have left
> > after the first session (if we don't run out).A Even if we run out, we
> > will lose at me at one lap ...less then screwing around with me getting
> > in and out.
> > But, our best guess is that we should make it, the car will be happier
> > at the slower pace, and we will learn as we go, adjusting for the next
> > three sessions if we continue to make it.
> > On my son' Tony's stints, he can get in and out way faster than me, so
> > we can cut him loose a bit and actually throw a few gallons in the car
> > at the mandatory pit and not lose time.
> > I guess that's another reason to go on a diet and start doing yoga.
> > It's been fun trying to figure out last minute the move from the sprint
> > races to the 24.A A
> > The guys that finished this year at LeMans we're actually an
> > inspiration for us moving the car to the 24.A It was an amazing run
> > for them.A We hope to have good news tomorrow...
> > Regards,A
> > Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
> > The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
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> > On Sat, Nov 5, 2022, 8:28 AM Scott Couchman via DeTomaso
> > <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >
> > Mike, Thanks for setting the record straight, and congratulations to
> > these winners!
> >>> On Nov 4, 2022, at 8:36 PM, MICHAEL DREW <[3]mikeldrew at aol.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> i>>?a|and in fact, these guys:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> came in FIRST IN CLASS at Le Mans Classic this year, in a factory
> > Gr4 car.
> >>
> >> Since the event started in 2004, far more than half the Panteras
> > entered have finished each year, on average. So it is highly
> > disrespectful of their collective efforts to claim that none have
> > ever finished at all.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Nov 4, 2022, at 22:15, MICHAEL DREW <[4]mikeldrew at aol.com>
> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> i>>?Scott,
> >>>
> >>> You need to pay more attention! Plenty of Panteras have finished
> > at LMC including this year.
> >>>
> >>> Mike
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>>> On Nov 4, 2022, at 18:24, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso
> > <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> i>>?All the LeMans Classics Iave attended, as far as I know, no
> > Pantera has finished the entire event. I hope you have much better
> > success!
> >>>>
> >>>>>> On Nov 4, 2022, at 1:03 PM, Mike & Elizabeth
> > <[6]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> i>>?Good luck!A Thanks for keeping us in the loop.
> >>>>> Mike Thomas
> >>>>> Panteras Northwest
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: DeTomaso <[7]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On
> > Behalf Of Steve Lisa
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, November 4, 2022 10:50 AM
> >>>>> To: List DeTomaso Forum <[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> >>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Daytona Update
> >>>>>
> >>>>> All,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We have called the Pantera up to run the 24-hour race, taking
> > the place of the Panoz.A We were having issues with the new Panoz
> > motor, and the motor finally let fo.A So, are here and going to run
> > the Pantera in the Classic 24-hour instead.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The Pantera has already run 5 sessions this weekend in the HSR
> > Sprint races, with it's fasted time at 2:11.5.A Because we didn't
> > run the qualifying events for the Classic 24-hour event we will be
> > starting from the back of Group A (pre-73, early FIA Group 3 and 4
> > cars, I believe in the GTO class) for the Classic 24, which is fine
> > for a long event.A We will be driving conservatively with goal of
> > finishing the event.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In addition, Goodwood sent some reporters over from England to
> > cover the Daytona event.A They enjoyed seeing the Pantera race, and
> > filmed the car on track and a fun 15 minute interview about the
> > car.A Goodwood also mounted an in-car camera for the upcoming
> > 24-hour race.A They are planning a short feature on the Pantera,
> > which is really nice of them, but who knows if it will ever get
> > done.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anyway, I will post updates and results starting tomorrow.A
> > There are six groups, so we rotate out every six hours (i.e., four
> > one-hour races every six hours).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Fingers crossed.....we are asked a lot from the car.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
> >>>>> The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
> >>>>> Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
> >>>>> Direct: 480-442-0297
> >>>>>
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