[DeTomaso] Daytona Update
Steve Lisa
stevelisa at patentit.com
Sat Nov 5 09:33:23 EDT 2022
An interesting strategy issue came up. Our 19 gallon fuel cell actually
(due to foam) only holds 18.5 gallons. We are burning "about" 1 gallon per
lap on average through the first 5 sessions of the weekend. And, at our
race pace, we will run at.most 19 laps in a session (with no cautions etc).
We have a mandatory 3 minute pit stop each leg of the 24-hour, and the
driver has to get out of the car for fueling. There is about 40 seconds of
pit lane "in-out" time, leaving about 2:20 for driver to stop, exit, the
crew to fuel, and the driver to get back in, belt up and get going. The
Pantera is not set up for a dump can (as was not intended to run this
24-hour event). It's a very slow fuel. Plus, the driver cant be getting
in the car while the crew is fueling. Since I have issued at my age
getting in over the driver bars and reaching belts etc., we figure I will
need an extra 60-90 seconds over the 3 minutes for an old fart like me to
get out/back in the car and buckled up and going, in addition to fueling
even a few gallons, plus pit in/out time. In short, we will lose the
equivalent of average 4-5 seconds in average lap time for the session due
to a pit stop over 3 minutes when I am driving.
If we run our race pace, we will run 19.5 laps, surely running out of fuel
if we don't add fuel at the stop. If we slow down 3 seconds a lap we will
run 18 laps, and we should make it. If we get a yellow, we are good.
Our current decision is to run the first session at a reduced pace and not
fuel it during the 3 minute stop, hopefully making it through with gas/car
preservation mode. Then, we will see what gas we have left after the first
session (if we don't run out). Even if we run out, we will lose at me at
one lap ...less then screwing around with me getting in and out.
But, our best guess is that we should make it, the car will be happier at
the slower pace, and we will learn as we go, adjusting for the next three
sessions if we continue to make it.
On my son' Tony's stints, he can get in and out way faster than me, so we
can cut him loose a bit and actually throw a few gallons in the car at the
mandatory pit and not lose time.
I guess that's another reason to go on a diet and start doing yoga.
It's been fun trying to figure out last minute the move from the sprint
races to the 24.
The guys that finished this year at LeMans we're actually an inspiration
for us moving the car to the 24. It was an amazing run for them. We hope
to have good news tomorrow...
Regards,
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
Direct: 480-442-0297
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On Sat, Nov 5, 2022, 8:28 AM Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> Mike, Thanks for setting the record straight, and congratulations to these
> winners!
>
> > On Nov 4, 2022, at 8:36 PM, MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > …and in fact, these guys:
> >
> >
> >
> > came in FIRST IN CLASS at Le Mans Classic this year, in a factory Gr4
> car.
> >
> > Since the event started in 2004, far more than half the Panteras entered
> have finished each year, on average. So it is highly disrespectful of their
> collective efforts to claim that none have ever finished at all.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Nov 4, 2022, at 22:15, MICHAEL DREW <mikeldrew at aol.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Scott,
> >>
> >> You need to pay more attention! Plenty of Panteras have finished at LMC
> including this year.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>>> On Nov 4, 2022, at 18:24, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> All the LeMans Classics I’ve attended, as far as I know, no Pantera
> has finished the entire event. I hope you have much better success!
> >>>
> >>>>> On Nov 4, 2022, at 1:03 PM, Mike & Elizabeth <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Good luck! Thanks for keeping us in the loop.
> >>>> Mike Thomas
> >>>> Panteras Northwest
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On Behalf
> Of Steve Lisa
> >>>> Sent: Friday, November 4, 2022 10:50 AM
> >>>> To: List DeTomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> >>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Daytona Update
> >>>>
> >>>> All,
> >>>>
> >>>> We have called the Pantera up to run the 24-hour race, taking the
> place of the Panoz. We were having issues with the new Panoz motor, and
> the motor finally let fo. So, are here and going to run the Pantera in the
> Classic 24-hour instead.
> >>>>
> >>>> The Pantera has already run 5 sessions this weekend in the HSR Sprint
> races, with it's fasted time at 2:11.5. Because we didn't run the
> qualifying events for the Classic 24-hour event we will be starting from
> the back of Group A (pre-73, early FIA Group 3 and 4 cars, I believe in the
> GTO class) for the Classic 24, which is fine for a long event. We will be
> driving conservatively with goal of finishing the event.
> >>>>
> >>>> In addition, Goodwood sent some reporters over from England to cover
> the Daytona event. They enjoyed seeing the Pantera race, and filmed the
> car on track and a fun 15 minute interview about the car. Goodwood also
> mounted an in-car camera for the upcoming 24-hour race. They are planning
> a short feature on the Pantera, which is really nice of them, but who knows
> if it will ever get done.
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyway, I will post updates and results starting tomorrow. There are
> six groups, so we rotate out every six hours (i.e., four one-hour races
> every six hours).
> >>>>
> >>>> Fingers crossed.....we are asked a lot from the car.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
> >>>> The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
> >>>> Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
> >>>> Direct: 480-442-0297
> >>>>
> >>>> www.PatentIt.com
> >>>>
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> East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
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An interesting strategy issue came up.A Our 19 gallon fuel cell
actually (due to foam) only holds 18.5 gallons.A We are burning
"about" 1 gallon per lap on average through the first 5 sessions of the
weekend.A And, at our race pace, we will run at.most 19 laps in a
session (with no cautions etc).A
We have a mandatory 3 minute pit stop each leg of the 24-hour, and the
driver has to get out of the car for fueling.A There is about 40
seconds of pit lane "in-out" time, leaving about 2:20 for driver to
stop, exit, the crew to fuel, and the driver to get back in, belt up
and get going.A The Pantera is not set up for a dump can (as was not
intended to run this 24-hour event).A It's a very slow fuel.A Plus,
the driver cant be getting in the car while the crew is fueling.A
Since I have issued at my age getting in over the driver bars and
reaching belts etc., we figure I will need an extra 60-90 seconds over
the 3 minutes for an old fart like me to get out/back in the car and
buckled up and going, in addition to fueling even a few gallons, plus
pit in/out time. In short, we will lose the equivalent of average 4-5
seconds in average lap time for the session due to a pit stop over 3
minutes when I am driving.
If we run our race pace, we will run 19.5 laps, surely running out of
fuel if we don't add fuel at the stop.A If we slow down 3 seconds a
lap we will run 18 laps, and we should make it.A If we get a yellow,
we are good.A
Our current decision is to run the first session at a reduced pace and
not fuel it during the 3 minute stop, hopefully making it through with
gas/car preservation mode.A Then, we will see what gas we have left
after the first session (if we don't run out).A Even if we run out, we
will lose at me at one lap ...less then screwing around with me getting
in and out.
But, our best guess is that we should make it, the car will be happier
at the slower pace, and we will learn as we go, adjusting for the next
three sessions if we continue to make it.
On my son' Tony's stints, he can get in and out way faster than me, so
we can cut him loose a bit and actually throw a few gallons in the car
at the mandatory pit and not lose time.
I guess that's another reason to go on a diet and start doing yoga.
It's been fun trying to figure out last minute the move from the sprint
races to the 24.A A
The guys that finished this year at LeMans we're actually an
inspiration for us moving the car to the 24.A It was an amazing run
for them.A We hope to have good news tomorrow...
Regards,A
Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
Direct:A 480-442-0297
[1]www.PatentIt.com
Scottsdale OfficeA |A P:A 480.535.6656A |A A F:A 480.535.6628A
|A A A:A 7689 East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
Chicago OfficeA |A P:A 312.752.4357A |A A F:A 312.896.5633A
|A A A:A 55 E. Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603
This email is intended only for the recipient above and may contain
confidential and privileged information. If you received this email in
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you.
On Sat, Nov 5, 2022, 8:28 AM Scott Couchman via DeTomaso
<[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Mike, Thanks for setting the record straight, and congratulations to
these winners!
> On Nov 4, 2022, at 8:36 PM, MICHAEL DREW <[3]mikeldrew at aol.com>
wrote:
>
> i>>?a|and in fact, these guys:
>
>
>
> came in FIRST IN CLASS at Le Mans Classic this year, in a factory
Gr4 car.
>
> Since the event started in 2004, far more than half the Panteras
entered have finished each year, on average. So it is highly
disrespectful of their collective efforts to claim that none have
ever finished at all.
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 4, 2022, at 22:15, MICHAEL DREW <[4]mikeldrew at aol.com>
wrote:
>>
>> i>>?Scott,
>>
>> You need to pay more attention! Plenty of Panteras have finished
at LMC including this year.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>> On Nov 4, 2022, at 18:24, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso
<[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> i>>?All the LeMans Classics Iave attended, as far as I know, no
Pantera has finished the entire event. I hope you have much better
success!
>>>
>>>>> On Nov 4, 2022, at 1:03 PM, Mike & Elizabeth
<[6]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> i>>?Good luck!A Thanks for keeping us in the loop.
>>>> Mike Thomas
>>>> Panteras Northwest
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso <[7]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On
Behalf Of Steve Lisa
>>>> Sent: Friday, November 4, 2022 10:50 AM
>>>> To: List DeTomaso Forum <[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Daytona Update
>>>>
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> We have called the Pantera up to run the 24-hour race, taking
the place of the Panoz.A We were having issues with the new Panoz
motor, and the motor finally let fo.A So, are here and going to run
the Pantera in the Classic 24-hour instead.
>>>>
>>>> The Pantera has already run 5 sessions this weekend in the HSR
Sprint races, with it's fasted time at 2:11.5.A Because we didn't
run the qualifying events for the Classic 24-hour event we will be
starting from the back of Group A (pre-73, early FIA Group 3 and 4
cars, I believe in the GTO class) for the Classic 24, which is fine
for a long event.A We will be driving conservatively with goal of
finishing the event.
>>>>
>>>> In addition, Goodwood sent some reporters over from England to
cover the Daytona event.A They enjoyed seeing the Pantera race, and
filmed the car on track and a fun 15 minute interview about the
car.A Goodwood also mounted an in-car camera for the upcoming
24-hour race.A They are planning a short feature on the Pantera,
which is really nice of them, but who knows if it will ever get
done.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, I will post updates and results starting tomorrow.A
There are six groups, so we rotate out every six hours (i.e., four
one-hour races every six hours).
>>>>
>>>> Fingers crossed.....we are asked a lot from the car.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>>>> The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
>>>> Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com
>>>> Direct: 480-442-0297
>>>>
>>>> [9]www.PatentIt.com
>>>>
>>>> Scottsdale Office | P: 480.535.6656A |A F: 480.535.6628A |A
A: 7689 East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260
>>>>
>>>> Chicago Office | P: 312.752.4357A |A F: 312.896.5633A |A A:
55 E. Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603
>>>>
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contain confidential and privileged information. If you received
this email in error please destroy it and indicate such by return
email to me. Thank you.
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