[DeTomaso] Tire question
Mike Drew
mikeldrew at aol.com
Tue Mar 1 10:39:16 EST 2022
Chris,
Front fenders were rolled from the factory starting in Fall of 1972, correcting a known oversight on the early cars. Absolutely have Denny roll your front fenders….
Mike
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> On Feb 28, 2022, at 21:25, Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Mike (and everybody else!),
>
> You are 100% correct--I need street tires. However, one of the things I want to do once I get the car back is drive to Fun Rallys again, which usually entails lots of long, straight roads, often in very hot places. I can't confirm this, but it might have been possible that when driving to past Fun Rallys I could have maybe driven for extended periods of time at theoretical speeds of 125 to 135 mph with one or two conceivable blasts to 155.
>
> I'm not saying I actually did this, but I'm saying it might have been kind of possible...
>
> I appreciate all the help everyone has offered concerning tire sizes, unfortunately, I'm more confused now than before. It reminds me of what happens when someone asks, "what kind of drum heads should I use?" The answer is always the same, "it depends!"
>
> One of the things Roger Krause said was it wasn't a good idea to mix different brands between front and rear, but since I don't want to do any body modifications (even rolling the fender even a little), and since I know 225 50s on the front and 295 50s on the back look fine and don't rub, I may just go with the mix and match so I can stay with those sizes. After all, that's how it was on my car for many years and it seemed to work fine.
>
> I'll take a look at the handy online tire size graphics and see what I can figure out. Maybe if I can actually get new tires in time I'll be able to drive to this year's Rally.
>
> Thanks again for all the help and advice from everyone, I really do appreciate it.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2022 6:29 PM
> To: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
> Cc: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>; Pantera Owners Club of America <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tire question
>
> Chris,
>
> You ‘need’ ZR rated tires? That’s a ridiculous assertion.
>
> First of all, you are driving your car on the STREET so you want street tires. Not race tires. Race tires come with loads of compromises, chief among them being severe unsuitability for driving in wet weather conditions. You live in Seattle!
>
> Secondly, ZR-rated tires are certified for 2 hours of continuous running at speeds above 149 mph. Do you truly believe you will be driving like that?
>
> ZR tires can come with either W (168 mph) or Y (168 mph) speed ratings. So strictly speaking, there is no Z speed rating. ZR just means ‘fast radial’ and the speed rating is either W or Y.
>
> BFG radial T/A tires are only S-rated (112 mph). Does that mean they will explode at 113 mph? Of course not. You can easily exceed the speed rating with perfect safety, in short durations of a few minutes at a time.
>
> If you think you will be running for 30-40 minutes straight above 112 mph you may want to consider different options. However for the type of use I think your car will see, if you stick to the 15-inch wheels, you would probably be best served with the BFGs in appropriate sizes.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Feb 28, 2022, at 17:00, Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the info--I don't use my car on the track, but I have been
> > known to drive it thousands of miles across the country to Fun Rallys,
> > so I need tires that are Z rated since I might hypothetically drive
> > rapidly.
> >
> > Aren't Hoosiers lower-speed tires?
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Chris
> > __________________________________________________________________
> >
> > From: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
> > Sent: Monday, February 28, 2022 4:41 PM
> > To: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
> > Cc: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>; Julian Kift
> > <julian_kift at hotmail.com>; Pantera Owners Club of America
> > <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tire question
> >
> > I use Hoosier R7's. 225/50 in front and 275/50 in rear. They work
> > great for racing and so far have no complaints at all and are turning
> > very competitive lap times.
> > Presently, you won't be able to buy Avon's due to supply issues ...at
> > least we can't. Roger Krause says they hard to get and he is only
> > supplying his best customers.
> > The R7's are much cheaper, last forever with little lap time def, and
> > are easy to get.
> > Anyway, that's what we use.
> > On Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 5:03 PM Christopher Kimball
> > <[1]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jeff,
> > Roger Kraus recommended the same setup you describe with the 215
> > 60 on
> > the front. You said you went with a 245 50 on the front, but
> > isn't
> > that taller than a 215 60?
> > Thanks,
> > Chris
> >
> > __________________________________________________________________
> > From: Jeff Detrich <[2]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2022 11:26 AM
> > To: Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> > Cc: Christopher Kimball <[4]chrisvkimball at msn.com>; Pantera
> > Owners Club of
> > America <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tire question
> > When I upgraded, there were no matching speed rated tires except
> > Avons.
> > BACK: Avon 15" CR6ZZ are 295/50 are high speed rated - R IIRC.
> > Look
> > and handle great.
> > FRONT: Avon 15" CR6ZZ 215/60 same as above. I mounted them but
> > they
> > look somewhat out of proportion to my eye. /60 is too thin and
> > too
> > tall. I switched to a Michelin speed rated tire 245/50R15 -
> > sorry,
> > don't remember the model, car is in the shop. Car looks balanced
> > and is
> > balanced on the track.
> > Pirelli Cinturato Classics are new to me. Would like hear more
> > details.
> > Good to hear car coming along.
> > Jeff
> > 6559
> > On Sat, Feb 26, 2022 at 12:34 PM Julian Kift
> > <[1][6]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > I think the 15" tires of choice are the Avon CR6ZZ or a
> > Pirelli
> > Cinturato P7 classic, but even the Pirelli 345/35/15
> > replacement
> > now
> > has a VR designation with conflicting information on speed
> > rating
> > quoted as Z or Y.
> > Julian
> >
> > __________________________________________________________________
> > From: DeTomaso
> > <[2][7]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
> > behalf of
> > Christopher Kimball <[3][8]chrisvkimball at msn.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2022 10:04 AM
> > To: Pantera Owners Club of America
> > <[4][9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Tire question
> > Hi everyone,
> > I haven't been contributing much to the Pantera community
> > for a
> > long
> > while because my car has been undergoing an extensive
> > restoration.
> > Thanks for understanding; once I get my car back I'll return
> > once
> > again
> > to the realm of the Pantera faithful.
> > At this point the light at the end of the tunnel is shining
> > brightly,
> > and it appears my car should be done very soon.
> > However, the tech who has been working on it told me when he
> > took
> > it
> > for a test drive recently the tires were so hard it was
> > almost
> > dangerous to corner!
> > I know there have been a lot of tire discussions over the
> > years,
> > and
> > now I'm hoping someone will remember the solution to my tire
> > question,
> > which I'm sure has been dealt with already: Is it possible
> > for
> > me to
> > find new tires which are Z, W, or Y rated in the sizes 225
> > 50 15
> > (front), and either 295 50 15 or 285 50 15 (rear)?
> > I'm not overly concerned with the price if I can get the
> > sizes I
> > need,
> > but obviously if I can find something reasonably priced,
> > that
> > would be
> > good.
> > Thanks, I appreciate your help!
> > Sincerely,
> > Chris
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Chris,
Front fenders were rolled from the factory starting in Fall of 1972,
correcting a known oversight on the early cars. Absolutely have Denny
roll your front fenders....
Mike
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 28, 2022, at 21:25, Christopher Kimball
<chrisvkimball at msn.com> wrote:
Hi Mike (and everybody else!),
You are 100% correct--I need street tires. However, one of the things
I want to do once I get the car back is drive to Fun Rallys again,
which usually entails lots of long, straight roads, often in very hot
places. I can't confirm this, but it might have been possible that
when driving to past Fun Rallys I could have maybe driven for extended
periods of time at theoretical speeds of 125 to 135 mph with one or two
conceivable blasts to 155.
I'm not saying I actually did this, but I'm saying it might have been
kind of possible...
I appreciate all the help everyone has offered concerning tire sizes,
unfortunately, I'm more confused now than before. It reminds me of
what happens when someone asks, "what kind of drum heads should I use?"
The answer is always the same, "it depends!"
One of the things Roger Krause said was it wasn't a good idea to mix
different brands between front and rear, but since I don't want to do
any body modifications (even rolling the fender even a little), and
since I know 225 50s on the front and 295 50s on the back look fine and
don't rub, I may just go with the mix and match so I can stay with
those sizes. After all, that's how it was on my car for many years and
it seemed to work fine.
I'll take a look at the handy online tire size graphics and see what I
can figure out. Maybe if I can actually get new tires in time I'll be
able to drive to this year's Rally.
Thanks again for all the help and advice from everyone, I really do
appreciate it.
Sincerely,
Chris
_______________________________________________________________
From: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2022 6:29 PM
To: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
Cc: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>; Pantera Owners Club of America
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tire question
Chris,
You `need' ZR rated tires? That's a ridiculous assertion.
First of all, you are driving your car on the STREET so you want street
tires. Not race tires. Race tires come with loads of compromises,
chief among them being severe unsuitability for driving in wet weather
conditions. You live in Seattle!
Secondly, ZR-rated tires are certified for 2 hours of continuous
running at speeds above 149 mph. Do you truly believe you will be
driving like that?
ZR tires can come with either W (168 mph) or Y (168 mph) speed ratings.
So strictly speaking, there is no Z speed rating. ZR just means `fast
radial' and the speed rating is either W or Y.
BFG radial T/A tires are only S-rated (112 mph). Does that mean they
will explode at 113 mph? Of course not. You can easily exceed the speed
rating with perfect safety, in short durations of a few minutes at a
time.
If you think you will be running for 30-40 minutes straight above 112
mph you may want to consider different options. However for the type of
use I think your car will see, if you stick to the 15-inch wheels, you
would probably be best served with the BFGs in appropriate sizes.
Good luck!
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On Feb 28, 2022, at 17:00, Christopher Kimball
<chrisvkimball at msn.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the info--I don't use my car on the track, but I have
been
> known to drive it thousands of miles across the country to Fun
Rallys,
> so I need tires that are Z rated since I might hypothetically drive
> rapidly.
>
> Aren't Hoosiers lower-speed tires?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Chris
>
__________________________________________________________________
>
> From: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2022 4:41 PM
> To: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
> Cc: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>; Julian Kift
> <julian_kift at hotmail.com>; Pantera Owners Club of America
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tire question
>
> I use Hoosier R7's. 225/50 in front and 275/50 in rear. They work
> great for racing and so far have no complaints at all and are
turning
> very competitive lap times.
> Presently, you won't be able to buy Avon's due to supply issues
...at
> least we can't. Roger Krause says they hard to get and he is only
> supplying his best customers.
> The R7's are much cheaper, last forever with little lap time def,
and
> are easy to get.
> Anyway, that's what we use.
> On Mon, Feb 28, 2022, 5:03 PM Christopher Kimball
> <[1]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Jeff,
> Roger Kraus recommended the same setup you describe with the
215
> 60 on
> the front. You said you went with a 245 50 on the front, but
> isn't
> that taller than a 215 60?
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
>
__________________________________________________________________
> From: Jeff Detrich <[2]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2022 11:26 AM
> To: Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: Christopher Kimball <[4]chrisvkimball at msn.com>; Pantera
> Owners Club of
> America <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tire question
> When I upgraded, there were no matching speed rated tires
except
> Avons.
> BACK: Avon 15" CR6ZZ are 295/50 are high speed rated - R
IIRC.
> Look
> and handle great.
> FRONT: Avon 15" CR6ZZ 215/60 same as above. I mounted them
but
> they
> look somewhat out of proportion to my eye. /60 is too thin and
> too
> tall. I switched to a Michelin speed rated tire 245/50R15 -
> sorry,
> don't remember the model, car is in the shop. Car looks
balanced
> and is
> balanced on the track.
> Pirelli Cinturato Classics are new to me. Would like hear more
> details.
> Good to hear car coming along.
> Jeff
> 6559
> On Sat, Feb 26, 2022 at 12:34 PM Julian Kift
> <[1][6]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
> I think the 15" tires of choice are the Avon CR6ZZ or a
> Pirelli
> Cinturato P7 classic, but even the Pirelli 345/35/15
> replacement
> now
> has a VR designation with conflicting information on
speed
> rating
> quoted as Z or Y.
> Julian
>
>
__________________________________________________________________
> From: DeTomaso
> <[2][7]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
> behalf of
> Christopher Kimball <[3][8]chrisvkimball at msn.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2022 10:04 AM
> To: Pantera Owners Club of America
> <[4][9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Tire question
> Hi everyone,
> I haven't been contributing much to the Pantera community
> for a
> long
> while because my car has been undergoing an extensive
> restoration.
> Thanks for understanding; once I get my car back I'll
return
> once
> again
> to the realm of the Pantera faithful.
> At this point the light at the end of the tunnel is
shining
> brightly,
> and it appears my car should be done very soon.
> However, the tech who has been working on it told me when
he
> took
> it
> for a test drive recently the tires were so hard it was
> almost
> dangerous to corner!
> I know there have been a lot of tire discussions over the
> years,
> and
> now I'm hoping someone will remember the solution to my
tire
> question,
> which I'm sure has been dealt with already: Is it
possible
> for
> me to
> find new tires which are Z, W, or Y rated in the sizes
225
> 50 15
> (front), and either 295 50 15 or 285 50 15 (rear)?
> I'm not overly concerned with the price if I can get the
> sizes I
> need,
> but obviously if I can find something reasonably priced,
> that
> would be
> good.
> Thanks, I appreciate your help!
> Sincerely,
> Chris
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5. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
6. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
7. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
8. mailto:chrisvkimball at msn.com
9. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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