[DeTomaso] Playboy Pantera for Auction on BaT

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Wed Jun 22 16:22:25 EDT 2022


That first mentioned was indeed your old SS block. I still have it and use it when I need to check something inside a block that would ruin it if I cut a window in the cast iron. Never throw ANYTHING away from a Pantera!


-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
To: jderyke at aol.com; lplugw at hotmail.com <lplugw at hotmail.com>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Wed, Jun 22, 2022 1:14 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Playboy Pantera for Auction on BaT

Jack, That sounds like my block that the exhaust valve fell out of while doing 167 MPH that we coasted through the finish line on.

It's called CORE SHIFT with the Light Cleveland state of the art casting methods at the time, which is why the Australian Blacks are heavier, as they couldn’t cast them that thin. All 4 cylinders were bored simultaneously and if they didn't hit it dead center, they were usually thinner either to the front or back of the engine block, not usually inside to outside. I had one that you could see the rings never seated in an oval shape because the cylinder wall was flexing on all 4 cylinders until the front cylinder wall work-hardened enough to crack enough to let the coolant in on the intake cycle. The End
Larry Stock

On 6/22/22, 12:06 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:

      Depends on how you drive the engine. Chev guys get nervous when
      cylinder walls drop below 0.125". Many street Clevelands did not have
      that thick walls when new. I personally get uneasy with walls below
      0.090"- and not on the thrust side. I have a demo-block that sliced
      itself apart at a Silver State event. The thinnest wall area was
      0.078", On that block, there was a mold seam on the backside that was
      virtually a dotted line that said, "crack here". Surprisingly, it
      didn't.
      I have a souvenir piece of cylinder wall on my desk about the size of a
      silver dollar that's 0.068" thick, from an 'as-usual' no-sonic test
      030-over block. That engine, running 11"1 compression on 100-octane
      gas, blew the wall piece into the water jacket during a backfire on the
      starting line at an autocross (inadequate warm-up. My bad- and it
      wasn't even my car!)  It was running fine but after my run the owner
      noticed water pouring out of one tail pipe.  The owner sleeved that one
      thin cylinder and its still running (with lower compression using
      thicker head gaskets) as far as I know.
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Larry Weston <lplugw at hotmail.com>
      To: jderyke at aol.com <jderyke at aol.com>
      Cc: daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>;
      detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
      Sent: Wed, Jun 22, 2022 4:16 am
      Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Playboy Pantera for Auction on BaT
      What is a minimum acceptable cylinder wall thickness? Itas certainly
      more important in one axis than the other.
      Itas hard to picture how removing another .005a (about as thick as two
      sheets of paper) from the cylinder wall to get from .030 to .040 would
      render an engine block useless.
      Has anyone ever sliced open a block to see what that area really looks
      like?
      Sent from my iPhone
      > On Jun 21, 2022, at 4:57 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
      <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
      >
      >  Hi, Dan. Nice to see you at the recent Fun Rally in AZ, after so
      many
      >  years. I can verify the value of sonic-testing EVERY 351-C block
      before
      >  an overhaul.  The rest of you guys, listen up-
      >  One of the Nor-Cal guys had his OEM Cleveland bored 0.040"-over some
      >  years ago. The fully rebuilt engine had extremely high oil use from
      >  day-1 and after waiting for the engine to break-in, called me about
      it
      >  at 1200 miles with no improvement. After a bit of back-and-forth
      >  followed by engine removal and tear-down, he found the
      non-sonic-tested
      >  block had such thin, flexible cylinder walls, the new rings were
      >  skipping over bulges in the walls- hence the poor ring seal and high
      >  oil use.  So his OEM block was scrapped. Too bad since he had bought
      >  the early Pantera new in '71....
      >  Cheers- J DeRyke
      >  -----Original Message-----
      >  From: Daniel C Jones <[2]daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>
      >  Cc: detomaso <[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
      >  Sent: Tue, Jun 21, 2022 9:51 am
      >  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Playboy Pantera for Auction on BaT
      >> The pictures I reviewed showed a tired red Pantera with a clearly
      >    amateurish installation in the engine bay
      >    I spotted several potential issues with the engine build.A  Below
      is
      >    what I posted on BaT:
      >    Note the engine is no longer a Cleveland.A  Rather, it's more of a
      >    reverse Clevor. Clevor is slang for a Windsor block with Cleveland
      >    style canted valve heads.A  This engine is the reverse with
      Windsor
      >    inline valve heads on a Cleveland block.A  Requires some custom
      parts
      >    like headers and pistons with valve notches that match the inline
      >    valves, along with gaskets and fasteners that work with the odd
      >    intake/head/block combination.A  Notice the hack job on the
      Windsor
      >    intake end seal to clear the oil pressure sender fitting.A  Also,
      >  @BaT
      >    the engine did not make 498 HP and 495 ft-lbs and turn over 10000
      RPM
      >    on a dynamometer.A  Instead, someone plugged some numbers into a
      >    simulation program (Dyno2000) which output an estimate of 498 HP
      and
      >    495 ft-lbs.A  Remember the first rule of simulation software is
      >  GIGO.A
      >    The fact that it wasn't spun to 10K+ RPM on the dyno is a good
      thing
      >  as
      >    the unnecessary high volume oil pump would have sucked that stock
      5
      >    quart pan dry, spun a rod bearing and chucked one or more of those
      >    questionable CAT (not to be confused with the reputable SCAT
      company)
      >    rods out the side of the block.A  There's also a potential issue
      with
      >    the top ring placement.A  Cleveland blocks have notches for valve
      >    clearance/unshrouding which limits where the top ring ring can be
      >    placed.A  Too high will put rings into the notches which is no
      >  bueno.A
      >    This also limits where the piston pin can be placed to get a
      >  reasonable
      >    ring pack.A  The typical 4" stroke Cleveland will have a pin
      height
      >  of
      >    around 1.2" and use 6" rods.A  The paperwork suggests the crank is
      a
      >    3.875" stroke SCAT unit.A  That would be a custom crank stroke so
      I
      >    suspect it's actually the off-the-shelf 3.85" 9000 series cast
      crank
      >    which would match the stated 395 cubic inch displacement (3.875"
      >  stroke
      >    would be over 397 cubic inches).A  Stroker math is simple and
      >  suggests
      >    that a 6.2" long rod and 3.85" stroke will have a pin height of
      1.075
      >    inches which is not recommended if you want the engine to last.A
      >  Also,
      >    I see no mention of sonic testing in the engine rebuild
      paperwork.A
      >    Having had more than one Cleveland block fail sonic test at 0.030"
      >  over
      >    and another that needed a sleeve at standard bore, sonic testing
      is
      >    highly recommended before boring 0.040" over.
      >    Dan Jones
      >    On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 10:04 AM Charles Engles
      >  <[1][1][4]cengles at cox.net>
      >    wrote:
      >      Dear Mike,
      >      A  A  A  A  A  A  A  I think the recipient has aged a bit better
      >      than the Pantera.
      >      IIRC, I saw pictures of it and a story that while it was no
      longer
      >      pink, it
      >      was the Playboy Pink Pantera.A  More astounding is that it was
      in
      >      Oklahoma
      >      and for sale several years ago.A  I cannot recall the price.
      >      A  A  A  A  A  A  A  The pictures I reviewed showed a tired red
      >      Pantera with a
      >      clearly amateurish installation in the engine bay: nitrous
      lines,
      >      wires,
      >      hoses, remote filters, etc.A  It looked like one should back
      away
      >      slowly and
      >      carefully, while shielding their eyes.A
      >      A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A In the BaT pictures, I can still see
      residua
      >      of its previous
      >      condition around the edges of some of the photos.A  I am
      interested
      >      in the
      >      BaT bidding and comments on this Pantera with a salacious back
      >      story.
      >      A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  Warmest regards, Chuck
      >      Engles
      >      -----Original Message-----
      >      From: DeTomaso
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      >      On Behalf
      >      Of Mike & Elizabeth
      >      Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2022 9:52 AM
      >      To: [3][3][6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
      >      Subject: [DeTomaso] Playboy Pantera for Auction on BaT
      >      The pink Pantera awarded to the 1972 Playmate of the Year is for
      >      sale in
      >      BaT.A  Now repainted in red over black and Grp IV flared.A  I'm
      >  sure
      >      it's aged
      >      better then it's recipient.
      >
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   That first mentioned was indeed your old SS block. I still have it and
   use it when I need to check something inside a block that would ruin it
   if I cut a window in the cast iron. Never throw ANYTHING away from a
   Pantera!
   -----Original Message-----
   From: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
   To: jderyke at aol.com; lplugw at hotmail.com <lplugw at hotmail.com>
   Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Sent: Wed, Jun 22, 2022 1:14 pm
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Playboy Pantera for Auction on BaT
   Jack, That sounds like my block that the exhaust valve fell out of
   while doing 167 MPH that we coasted through the finish line on.
   It's called CORE SHIFT with the Light Cleveland state of the art
   casting methods at the time, which is why the Australian Blacks are
   heavier, as they couldnat cast them that thin. All 4 cylinders were
   bored simultaneously and if they didn't hit it dead center, they were
   usually thinner either to the front or back of the engine block, not
   usually inside to outside. I had one that you could see the rings never
   seated in an oval shape because the cylinder wall was flexing on all 4
   cylinders until the front cylinder wall work-hardened enough to crack
   enough to let the coolant in on the intake cycle. The End
   Larry Stock
   i>>?On 6/22/22, 12:06 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack DeRyke via
   DeTomaso" <[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   [2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
         Depends on how you drive the engine. Chev guys get nervous when
         cylinder walls drop below 0.125". Many street Clevelands did not
   have
         that thick walls when new. I personally get uneasy with walls
   below
         0.090"- and not on the thrust side. I have a demo-block that
   sliced
         itself apart at a Silver State event. The thinnest wall area was
         0.078", On that block, there was a mold seam on the backside that
   was
         virtually a dotted line that said, "crack here". Surprisingly, it
         didn't.
         I have a souvenir piece of cylinder wall on my desk about the
   size of a
         silver dollar that's 0.068" thick, from an 'as-usual' no-sonic
   test
         030-over block. That engine, running 11"1 compression on
   100-octane
         gas, blew the wall piece into the water jacket during a backfire
   on the
         starting line at an autocross (inadequate warm-up. My bad- and it
         wasn't even my car!)  It was running fine but after my run the
   owner
         noticed water pouring out of one tail pipe.  The owner sleeved
   that one
         thin cylinder and its still running (with lower compression using
         thicker head gaskets) as far as I know.
         -----Original Message-----
         From: Larry Weston <[3]lplugw at hotmail.com>
         To: [4]jderyke at aol.com <[5]jderyke at aol.com>
         Cc: [6]daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com <[7]daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>;
         [8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   <[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
         Sent: Wed, Jun 22, 2022 4:16 am
         Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Playboy Pantera for Auction on BaT
         What is a minimum acceptable cylinder wall thickness? Itas
   certainly
         more important in one axis than the other.
         Itas hard to picture how removing another .005a (about as thick
   as two
         sheets of paper) from the cylinder wall to get from .030 to .040
   would
         render an engine block useless.
         Has anyone ever sliced open a block to see what that area really
   looks
         like?
         Sent from my iPhone
         > On Jun 21, 2022, at 4:57 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
         <[1][10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
         >
         >  Hi, Dan. Nice to see you at the recent Fun Rally in AZ, after
   so
         many
         >  years. I can verify the value of sonic-testing EVERY 351-C
   block
         before
         >  an overhaul.  The rest of you guys, listen up-
         >  One of the Nor-Cal guys had his OEM Cleveland bored
   0.040"-over some
         >  years ago. The fully rebuilt engine had extremely high oil use
   from
         >  day-1 and after waiting for the engine to break-in, called me
   about
         it
         >  at 1200 miles with no improvement. After a bit of
   back-and-forth
         >  followed by engine removal and tear-down, he found the
         non-sonic-tested
         >  block had such thin, flexible cylinder walls, the new rings
   were
         >  skipping over bulges in the walls- hence the poor ring seal
   and high
         >  oil use.  So his OEM block was scrapped. Too bad since he had
   bought
         >  the early Pantera new in '71....
         >  Cheers- J DeRyke
         >  -----Original Message-----
         >  From: Daniel C Jones <[2][11]daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>
         >  Cc: detomaso <[3][12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
         >  Sent: Tue, Jun 21, 2022 9:51 am
         >  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Playboy Pantera for Auction on BaT
         >> The pictures I reviewed showed a tired red Pantera with a
   clearly
         >    amateurish installation in the engine bay
         >    I spotted several potential issues with the engine build.A
   Below
         is
         >    what I posted on BaT:
         >    Note the engine is no longer a Cleveland.A  Rather, it's
   more of a
         >    reverse Clevor. Clevor is slang for a Windsor block with
   Cleveland
         >    style canted valve heads.A  This engine is the reverse with
         Windsor
         >    inline valve heads on a Cleveland block.A  Requires some
   custom
         parts
         >    like headers and pistons with valve notches that match the
   inline
         >    valves, along with gaskets and fasteners that work with the
   odd
         >    intake/head/block combination.A  Notice the hack job on the
         Windsor
         >    intake end seal to clear the oil pressure sender fitting.A
   Also,
         >  @BaT
         >    the engine did not make 498 HP and 495 ft-lbs and turn over
   10000
         RPM
         >    on a dynamometer.A  Instead, someone plugged some numbers
   into a
         >    simulation program (Dyno2000) which output an estimate of
   498 HP
         and
         >    495 ft-lbs.A  Remember the first rule of simulation software
   is
         >  GIGO.A
         >    The fact that it wasn't spun to 10K+ RPM on the dyno is a
   good
         thing
         >  as
         >    the unnecessary high volume oil pump would have sucked that
   stock
         5
         >    quart pan dry, spun a rod bearing and chucked one or more of
   those
         >    questionable CAT (not to be confused with the reputable SCAT
         company)
         >    rods out the side of the block.A  There's also a potential
   issue
         with
         >    the top ring placement.A  Cleveland blocks have notches for
   valve
         >    clearance/unshrouding which limits where the top ring ring
   can be
         >    placed.A  Too high will put rings into the notches which is
   no
         >  bueno.A
         >    This also limits where the piston pin can be placed to get a
         >  reasonable
         >    ring pack.A  The typical 4" stroke Cleveland will have a pin
         height
         >  of
         >    around 1.2" and use 6" rods.A  The paperwork suggests the
   crank is
         a
         >    3.875" stroke SCAT unit.A  That would be a custom crank
   stroke so
         I
         >    suspect it's actually the off-the-shelf 3.85" 9000 series
   cast
         crank
         >    which would match the stated 395 cubic inch displacement
   (3.875"
         >  stroke
         >    would be over 397 cubic inches).A  Stroker math is simple
   and
         >  suggests
         >    that a 6.2" long rod and 3.85" stroke will have a pin height
   of
         1.075
         >    inches which is not recommended if you want the engine to
   last.A
         >  Also,
         >    I see no mention of sonic testing in the engine rebuild
         paperwork.A
         >    Having had more than one Cleveland block fail sonic test at
   0.030"
         >  over
         >    and another that needed a sleeve at standard bore, sonic
   testing
         is
         >    highly recommended before boring 0.040" over.
         >    Dan Jones
         >    On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 10:04 AM Charles Engles
         >  <[1][1][4][13]cengles at cox.net>
         >    wrote:
         >      Dear Mike,
         >      A  A  A  A  A  A  A  I think the recipient has aged a bit
   better
         >      than the Pantera.
         >      IIRC, I saw pictures of it and a story that while it was
   no
         longer
         >      pink, it
         >      was the Playboy Pink Pantera.A  More astounding is that it
   was
         in
         >      Oklahoma
         >      and for sale several years ago.A  I cannot recall the
   price.
         >      A  A  A  A  A  A  A  The pictures I reviewed showed a
   tired red
         >      Pantera with a
         >      clearly amateurish installation in the engine bay: nitrous
         lines,
         >      wires,
         >      hoses, remote filters, etc.A  It looked like one should
   back
         away
         >      slowly and
         >      carefully, while shielding their eyes.A
         >      A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A In the BaT pictures, I can still
   see
         residua
         >      of its previous
         >      condition around the edges of some of the photos.A  I am
         interested
         >      in the
         >      BaT bidding and comments on this Pantera with a salacious
   back
         >      story.
         >      A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  Warmest regards,
   Chuck
         >      Engles
         >      -----Original Message-----
         >      From: DeTomaso
         >  [mailto:[2][2][5][14]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
         >      On Behalf
         >      Of Mike & Elizabeth
         >      Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2022 9:52 AM
         >      To: [3][3][6][15]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
         >      Subject: [DeTomaso] Playboy Pantera for Auction on BaT
         >      The pink Pantera awarded to the 1972 Playmate of the Year
   is for
         >      sale in
         >      BaT.A  Now repainted in red over black and Grp IV
   flared.A  I'm
         >  sure
         >      it's aged
         >      better then it's recipient.
         >

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