[DeTomaso] steering noise question
Jeff Detrich
jjdetrich at gmail.com
Sun Jul 31 23:24:40 EDT 2022
Did you say it was steering or when you went over a bump? Could it be the
balance bars binding?
Jeff
6559
On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 2:06 PM Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>
wrote:
> Good news about the windows: I moved the passenger switch to the
> driver's side, and the driver's side switch to the passenger side, and
> lo and behold, now they both work fine. I'm guessing corrosion built
> up on the terminals, and when I pulled them off and put them on again
> it restored the connection. I'll keep my eye on it and see if there
> are any other moments of hesitation with either window.
>
> If only all Pantera projects were so easy to fix!
>
> Now, about that steering noise...
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Chris
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: David <david at msmcontractors.org>
> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 11:37 AM
> To: Konrad Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com>
> Cc: Christopher Kimball <ChrisVKimball at msn.com>; Pantera Owners Club of
> America <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
>
> You should be able to see the Ammeter move if the motor is working.
> > On Jul 31, 2022, at 1:31 PM, Konrad Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > In my case it was hardened grease after 30 years. Took it apart,
> > cleaned, re greased and it is good. Already had brass gears changed
> by
> > my father in 1992.
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 31, 2022, 12:41 PM Christopher Kimball
> > <[1]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
> >
> > A A The power seems to be there when pushing the window down
> (it's
> > already
> > A A down all the way) but nothing when I push the switch up.A I
> > beleive the
> > A A plastic window gears were replaced by brass units before I
> > bought the
> > A A car, but that was over 16 years ago, and I'm just taking the
> > seller's
> > A A word for it.
> > A A Sincerely,
> > A A Chris
> > A A
> > A
> __________________________________________________________________
> > A A From: Mike & Elizabeth <[2]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
> > A A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:34 AM
> > A A To: 'Christopher Kimball' <[3]chrisvkimball at msn.com>;
> 'Pantera
> > Owners Club
> > A A of America' <[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > A A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> > A A Are you saying that when you hit the window switch, you can
> > hear the
> > A A motor trying to move the window down but nothing happens
> when
> > you hit
> > A A the switch to put it up?A Or, is it down and doesn't want
> to
> > come up?
> > A A Besides the switch, it could be that the original plastic
> gear
> > in your
> > A A window motor has failed, as in crumbled into little bits,
> and
> > needs to
> > A A be replaced.
> > A A When I looked under the front of Chris' car, my thought was
> > some kind
> > A A of binding in the rack and pinion gears or the turning of
> the
> > steering
> > A A shaft.A As Chris mentioned, it was quite pronounced when he
> > pulled into
> > A A the garage, but completely gone after we'd swapped out the
> ZF
> > fluid.
> > A A Mike
> > A A -----Original Message-----
> > A A From: DeTomaso <[5]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
> On
> > Behalf Of
> > A A Christopher Kimball
> > A A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:09 AM
> > A A To: Pantera Owners Club of America
> > <[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > A A Subject: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
> > A A I warned you that once I got my car back I'd again be
> > inundating you
> > A A with questions!
> > A A Here are the latest two:
> > A A A 1.A A My passenger window decided it no longer wants to
> go
> > up.A The
> > A A down position still seems to work.A I'm assuming the switch
> > has gone
> > A A bad, so I'll order a new pair tomorrow.A In the meantime,
> is
> > there
> > A A anything special I need to be aware of when removing the
> > current
> > A A switches?
> > A A A 1.A A After driving about 45 minutes to Mike Thomas'
> house
> > in warm
> > A A weather the other day for the gear-oil change , as I pulled
> > into Mikes'
> > A A garage the front of the car seemed to be groaning when going
> > over
> > A A bumps, and especially when turning right or left.A Once in
> the
> > garage
> > A A and stationery, the sound was quite pronounced when I turned
> > the wheels
> > A A left or right.A After the oil was changed, probably an hour
> or
> > so, we
> > A A jacked up the front of the car and Mike took a look at the
> > front wheels
> > A A for loose bearings, and we again turned the wheels
> > lock-to-lock.
> > A A Nothing seemed wrong, and the noise was gone.A Even after
> the
> > car was
> > A A back on the ground the noise was no longer there.
> > A A Yesterday, in 99-degree heat, I drove about an hour, and the
> > sound
> > A A returned.A After letting the car sit for a couple of hours,
> > again, no
> > A A sound.A After driving home again, however, the soundA
> > A returned--I
> > A A became aware of it after I turned off the freeway and began
> > turning
> > A A left and right on the side streets.A It almost sounds as if
> > something
> > A A is binding, or something under there needs lubrication.A
> Are
> > there
> > A A places to lube things under the front of the car?A If so,
> I'm
> > ready
> > A A with my new, handy-dandy grease gun!A Otherwise, what could
> be
> > the
> > A A problem?
> > A A I appreciate your help and advice.
> > A A Sincerely,
> > A A Chris
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Did you say it was steering or when you went over a bump? Could it be
the balance bars binding?
Jeff
6559
On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 2:06 PM Christopher Kimball
<[1]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
A A Good news about the windows:A I moved the passenger switch to
the
A A driver's side, and the driver's side switch to the passenger
side, and
A A lo and behold, now they both work fine.A I'm guessing
corrosion built
A A up on the terminals, and when I pulled them off and put them on
again
A A it restored the connection.A I'll keep my eye on it and see if
there
A A are any other moments of hesitation with either window.
A A If only all Pantera projects were so easy to fix!
A A Now, about that steering noise...
A A Sincerely,
A A Chris
A A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A From: David <[2]david at msmcontractors.org>
A A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 11:37 AM
A A To: Konrad Szwab <[3]kszwab at gmail.com>
A A Cc: Christopher Kimball <[4]ChrisVKimball at msn.com>; Pantera
Owners Club of
A A America <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
A A You should be able to see the Ammeter move if the motor is
working.
A A > On Jul 31, 2022, at 1:31 PM, Konrad Szwab
<[6]kszwab at gmail.com> wrote:
A A >
A A >A A In my case it was hardened grease after 30 years. Took it
apart,
A A >A A cleaned, re greased and it is good. Already had brass
gears changed
A A by
A A >A A my father in 1992.
A A >
A A >A A On Sun, Jul 31, 2022, 12:41 PM Christopher Kimball
A A >A A <[1][7]ChrisVKimball at msn.com> wrote:
A A >
A A >A A A AA A The power seems to be there when pushing the
window down
A A (it's
A A >A A A already
A A >A A A AA A down all the way) but nothing when I push the
switch up.AA I
A A >A A A beleive the
A A >A A A AA A plastic window gears were replaced by brass
units before I
A A >A A A bought the
A A >A A A AA A car, but that was over 16 years ago, and I'm
just taking the
A A >A A A seller's
A A >A A A AA A word for it.
A A >A A A AA A Sincerely,
A A >A A A AA A Chris
A A >A A A AA A
A A >A A A A
A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A >A A A AA A From: Mike & Elizabeth
<[2][8]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
A A >A A A AA A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:34 AM
A A >A A A AA A To: 'Christopher Kimball'
<[3][9]chrisvkimball at msn.com>;
A A 'Pantera
A A >A A A Owners Club
A A >A A A AA A of America'
<[4][10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A >A A A AA A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
A A >A A A AA A Are you saying that when you hit the window
switch, you can
A A >A A A hear the
A A >A A A AA A motor trying to move the window down but nothing
happens
A A when
A A >A A A you hit
A A >A A A AA A the switch to put it up?AA Or, is it down and
doesn't want
A A to
A A >A A A come up?
A A >A A A AA A Besides the switch, it could be that the
original plastic
A A gear
A A >A A A in your
A A >A A A AA A window motor has failed, as in crumbled into
little bits,
A A and
A A >A A A needs to
A A >A A A AA A be replaced.
A A >A A A AA A When I looked under the front of Chris' car, my
thought was
A A >A A A some kind
A A >A A A AA A of binding in the rack and pinion gears or the
turning of
A A the
A A >A A A steering
A A >A A A AA A shaft.AA As Chris mentioned, it was quite
pronounced when he
A A >A A A pulled into
A A >A A A AA A the garage, but completely gone after we'd
swapped out the
A A ZF
A A >A A A fluid.
A A >A A A AA A Mike
A A >A A A AA A -----Original Message-----
A A >A A A AA A From: DeTomaso
<[5][11]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
A A On
A A >A A A Behalf Of
A A >A A A AA A Christopher Kimball
A A >A A A AA A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2022 10:09 AM
A A >A A A AA A To: Pantera Owners Club of America
A A >A A A <[6][12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A >A A A AA A Subject: [DeTomaso] steering noise question
A A >A A A AA A I warned you that once I got my car back I'd
again be
A A >A A A inundating you
A A >A A A AA A with questions!
A A >A A A AA A Here are the latest two:
A A >A A A AA AA A 1.AA A My passenger window decided it no
longer wants to
A A go
A A >A A A up.AA The
A A >A A A AA A down position still seems to work.AA I'm
assuming the switch
A A >A A A has gone
A A >A A A AA A bad, so I'll order a new pair tomorrow.AA In
the meantime,
A A is
A A >A A A there
A A >A A A AA A anything special I need to be aware of when
removing the
A A >A A A current
A A >A A A AA A switches?
A A >A A A AA AA A 1.AA A After driving about 45 minutes to
Mike Thomas'
A A house
A A >A A A in warm
A A >A A A AA A weather the other day for the gear-oil change ,
as I pulled
A A >A A A into Mikes'
A A >A A A AA A garage the front of the car seemed to be
groaning when going
A A >A A A over
A A >A A A AA A bumps, and especially when turning right or
left.AA Once in
A A the
A A >A A A garage
A A >A A A AA A and stationery, the sound was quite pronounced
when I turned
A A >A A A the wheels
A A >A A A AA A left or right.AA After the oil was changed,
probably an hour
A A or
A A >A A A so, we
A A >A A A AA A jacked up the front of the car and Mike took a
look at the
A A >A A A front wheels
A A >A A A AA A for loose bearings, and we again turned the
wheels
A A >A A A lock-to-lock.
A A >A A A AA A Nothing seemed wrong, and the noise was gone.AA
Even after
A A the
A A >A A A car was
A A >A A A AA A back on the ground the noise was no longer
there.
A A >A A A AA A Yesterday, in 99-degree heat, I drove about an
hour, and the
A A >A A A sound
A A >A A A AA A returned.AA After letting the car sit for a
couple of hours,
A A >A A A again, no
A A >A A A AA A sound.AA After driving home again, however, the
soundA
A A >A A A A returned--I
A A >A A A AA A became aware of it after I turned off the
freeway and began
A A >A A A turning
A A >A A A AA A left and right on the side streets.AA It almost
sounds as if
A A >A A A something
A A >A A A AA A is binding, or something under there needs
lubrication.A
A A Are
A A >A A A there
A A >A A A AA A places to lube things under the front of the
car?AA If so,
A A I'm
A A >A A A ready
A A >A A A AA A with my new, handy-dandy grease gun!AA
Otherwise, what could
A A be
A A >A A A the
A A >A A A AA A problem?
A A >A A A AA A I appreciate your help and advice.
A A >A A A AA A Sincerely,
A A >A A A AA A Chris
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