[DeTomaso] #94 McDonald's NASCAR auction ends today and "thanks"for the support last weekend
Will Kooiman
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Tue Feb 15 07:28:27 EST 2022
I agree.
It needs the pan removed to see if there's anything else waiting to be sucked into the pickup.
Plus, the oil pump needs to be removed and inspected. It might be locked up. Or, it might have evidence inside.
Plus it needs the valve covers removed to look for broken parts.
If you just replace the roll pins and call it good, it's just going to happen again.
On 2/14/22, 11:47 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
5000 miles from a brass gear? The engine might barely run that long but significant degradation would happen much sooner.
Iron cams need iron gears and steel roller cams need steel gears. Brass gears are a relic of the past….
Mike
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> On Feb 14, 2022, at 20:17, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, a brass sacrificial gear is only good for 5000 street miles
> But it's for a race car
> Its running a racing engine
> If one pin is good, two pins are better
> Really
>
>
> On 2/14/22, 8:11 PM, "Mike Drew" <mikeldrew at aol.com> wrote:
>
> Uh…no.
>
> Brass gear? Really? Those have an extremely limited lifespan and are disposable. Intended for race cars with roller cams whose operational engine lives are measured in hours, if not seconds.
>
> If the car has a conventional cast iron cam it needs a cast iron gear—if it even needs a gear at all, which I sincerely doubt.
>
> A broken drive pin is not a problem. It is a symptom of a problem. Something else fell apart and debris was floating around in the oil and jammed the oil pump gears which locked it up and the pin worked as intended, shearing so that the driveshaft wasn’t twisted like a licorice stick. That’s the usual cause.
>
> Or could it be that there is excessive slack in the time chain which was transmitting shocks to the cam which overstressed the gear, which is driven off the cam? I’m nit suggesting that IS a potential cause; I’m asking IF it could be a potential cause to those who know more than I about such things (which is an awful lot of people!)
>
> Mike
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>> On Feb 11, 2022, at 13:24, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> 08130G
>>
>> Distributor Gear, Brass, dual shaft pins
>>
>> $98.00
>>
>> larrys at PanteraParts.com
>>
>>
>> From: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
>> Date: Friday, February 11, 2022 at 1:01 PM
>> To: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
>> Cc: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>, Ken Green
>> <kenn_green at yahoo.com>, List DeTomaso Forum
>> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] #94 McDonald's NASCAR auction ends today and
>> "thanks"for the support last weekend
>>
>>
>> Any good sources for the best replacement parts?
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>>
>> The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
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>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 2:00 PM Asa Jay Laughton <[2]asajay at asajay.com>
>> wrote:
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>> Good to find root cause. I'm glad your team found it.
>>
>>
>> Now to shore it up and put the pedal to the metal.
>>
>>
>> Asa Jay
>>
>> <thumbs up>
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>> On Feb 11, 2022, at 12:21, Steve Lisa <[3]stevelisa at patentit.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks all for the comments -- we pulled the dizzy and it is as you
>> suspected. The pin was there - broken, We will be doing some further
>> inspection.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>>
>> The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
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>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 3:01 PM Asa Jay Laughton <[7]asajay at asajay.com>
>> wrote:
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>> The gear can slip a few degrees and then bind up on the pin fragments
>> and continue to provide good oil pressure. If the pin totally shears
>> and -doesn't- bind up, it's hit or miss but should manifest with lower
>> oil pressure.
>>
>>
>> Best to remove the dizzy to inspect. Timing is off anyway, it bears
>> inspection.
>>
>>
>> Asa Jay
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>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 13:21, Steve Lisa <[8]stevelisa at patentit.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> How would that kind of failure impact oil pressure? We still had great
>> oil pressure. We checked at the track and saw only 6-8 degrees of
>> timing and it ran like crap as a result, but had great oil pressure.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
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>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 1:13 PM Larry Stock
>> <[10]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>>
>> That is what we did for the first 30+ years to strengthen the single
>> pin design.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>> From: Ken Green <[11]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
>> Reply-To: Ken Green <[12]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 11:58 AM
>> To: Asa Jay Laughton <[13]asajay at asajay.com>, Steve Lisa
>> <[14]stevelisa at patentit.com>, Larry Stock <[15]larrys at panteraparts.com>
>> Cc: List DeTomaso Forum <[16]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] #94 McDonald's NASCAR auction ends today and
>> "thanks" for the support last weekend
>>
>>
>> I have a vague recollection about a smaller roll pin inside the
>> standard roll pin?
>>
>>
>> A discussion here:
>>
>>
>> [17]https://www.vintage-mustang.com/threads/351c-breaking-distributor-g
>> ear-tension-pin.1184541/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022, 10:33:14 AM PST, Larry Stock
>> <[18]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> It also drives the oil pump, and the new designs have two pins to hold
>> the gear on the shaft.
>> Larry
>> On 2/8/22, 9:59 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Asa Jay Laughton via
>> DeTomaso" <[19]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> [20]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>> Hi Steve,
>> You may need to pull the distributor. A common problem used to be
>> the shear pin breaking on the gear to shaft connection. It would
>> usually twist just enough to throw timing off and cause poor running.
>> My money is on that, based on your description.
>> It doesn't happen often anymore but is more likely on high
>> horsepower engines.
>> Let us know what you find. :)
>> Asa Jay
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>>>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 09:22, Steve Lisa <[21]stevelisa at patentit.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> All,A
>>> The bidding on my #94 Bill Elliott NASCAR has gone high enough
>> that I
>>> pulled the reserve.A It will be entertaining (at least for me)
>> today
>>> to see how much higher (if any) it goes today.A It is set to
>> close
>>> around around 3:30 today.A I thoughtA I would send the link in
>> case
>>> any of you are interested in watching the car go...
>>>
>> [1][22]https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1994-ford-thunderbird-3/
>>> Also, following up on Mike's post re videos and pictures from
>> the
>>> Pantera weekend, I have reached out to SVRA and confirmed that
>> they
>>> will share the video with me once they process it.A I want to
>> say
>>> thanksA for all the support last weekend.A I forgot how much
>> fun
>>> Fontana is -- the last time I raced there was 20 years in a
>> Rolex race,
>>> driving a GT car.A NASCAR 2 certainly gets your attention.A A
>> The
>>> Pantera ran great. I pulled it off the track Saturday night and
>> all was
>>> fine.A Sunday morning, a few laps into qualifying, it lost some
>> power
>>> and started running poorly.A We spent the next 4 hours
>> diagnosing and
>>> the engine compression and carb filters were fine.A It appears
>> as if
>>> the timing changed -- but how????A The distributor had not
>> moved at
>>> all and was secure.A So, we think either the MSD box or MSD
>>> distributor failed.A We still have limited spacrs for the
>> Pantera --
>>> so we were done Sunday without racing the final race.A A
>>> Once the NASCAR sells, and now that the Pantera is doing well,
>> we will
>>> be loading up on spares. So please keep your eyes/ears out for
>> stock
>>> parts sitting around in garages and on shelves that were
>> replaced on
>>> modified cars.A A We will be looking for fairly priced stock
>>> components that typically fail.A A
>>> And, I was asked by SVRA to encourage more of you guys to get
>> your race
>>> and street Panteras out to the events.A We will be racing the
>> SVRA
>>> event on April 21-24 at Laguna Seca.A It would be great to get
>> another
>>> Pantera or two in the paddock with us.A I am sure a few
>> Panteras in
>>> the paddock will get a lot of attention.A A A A
>>> Again, thanks all!
>>> A A A
>>> Regards,A
>>> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>>> The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
>>> Email: [23]SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
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