[DeTomaso] P72 Featured on Latest DDE Blog
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Sat Aug 27 20:45:03 EDT 2022
The early BMW V-8 Guaras had the same straight cut gear whine due to the 1:1 transfer gears in the bellhousings of those few cars. As you say, I also hope they 'fix' this in production models as they did in Ford-powered Guaras. Whine is tolerable for race cars (with a helmet) but that gets real old on a trip.
JD
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Norman told me that this was their variant of the Coyote V8.
Larry
On 8/27/22, 1:19 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
In the video it appears to be an extremely light shift motion on the
lever so likely not true manual but a Tiptronic style electronic shift
, note the R, N or P preselect buttons on the dash.
Not sure what they are using for a transaxle / gearbox but it's
straight cut gears and the gearbox whine is unbefitting of a supercar,
I know this s only the Prototype, but that hideous noise isn't good
press at all. At Le Mans Classic Norman told us they were developing
their own variant of a V12, in this video he says production cars are a
supercharged V8. One of the 3 P72's at Le Mans wore a Michigan license
plate and was the Roush test mule for the engine, it had the spartan
race interior of the 'Isabelle' car but had been rewrapped on the
exterior.
Julian
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] P72 Featured on Latest DDE Blog
Jeff,
The P72 uses a sequential manual gearbox, like a motorcycle, as opposed
to a traditional production automobile five- or six-speed.
In all likelihood, it's a paddle-shift gearbox with the hydraulics
replaced by manual activation. Norman Choi is extremely friendly but he
is more than a little bit coy, and is reluctant to share too many
details about these cars since the production cars will differ (perhaps
greatly) in various ways.
I have to say that the public response to the P72 has been
overwhelming. It garners attention like nothing I've ever seen.
Mike
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>
> Really good video. It'sA pronounced day-toe-mahso,A 50 years
> ofA mispronunciation on my part!. How could I have gotten it wrong
for
> soA long.A Sound gets an A++A but I wonder if I'd feel theA same
way
> after a couple of hours in theA driver's seat. I thought theA P72
is
> supposed to be a manual transmission? This car is not. Too bad. But
it
> does have a shifter in the console. I'm confused and conflicted.
> Shutting the doors seems a bit awkward, two hands in the video.
Styling
> a bit overdone in my opinion. Site lines overA theA front fenders
would
> take some getting used to. Imagine pulling into a parking space.
And a
> rear camera would be nice. Interior isA exquisite, I like the
gauge
> layout but maybe a little busy. Norman Choi gets an A++ as well.
His
> enthusiasm is contagious. He lets the car do the talking!
> She's a beauty, out of my price range.
> Jeff
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The early BMW V-8 Guaras had the same straight cut gear whine due to
the 1:1 transfer gears in the bellhousings of those few cars. As you
say, I also hope they 'fix' this in production models as they did in
Ford-powered Guaras. Whine is tolerable for race cars (with a helmet)
but that gets real old on a trip.
JD
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To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>; Jeff Detrich
<jjdetrich at gmail.com>; Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Sat, Aug 27, 2022 4:48 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] P72 Featured on Latest DDE Blog
Norman told me that this was their variant of the Coyote V8.
Larry
i>>?On 8/27/22, 1:19 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift"
<[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[2]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
In the video it appears to be an extremely light shift motion on
the
lever so likely not true manual but a Tiptronic style electronic
shift
, note the R, N or P preselect buttons on the dash.
Not sure what they are using for a transaxle / gearbox but it's
straight cut gears and the gearbox whine is unbefitting of a
supercar,
I know this s only the Prototype, but that hideous noise isn't
good
press at all. At Le Mans Classic Norman told us they were
developing
their own variant of a V12, in this video he says production cars
are a
supercharged V8. One of the 3 P72's at Le Mans wore a Michigan
license
plate and was the Roush test mule for the engine, it had the
spartan
race interior of the 'Isabelle' car but had been rewrapped on the
exterior.
Julian
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Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2022 12:02 PM
To: Jeff Detrich <[5]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Cc: [6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] P72 Featured on Latest DDE Blog
Jeff,
The P72 uses a sequential manual gearbox, like a motorcycle, as
opposed
to a traditional production automobile five- or six-speed.
In all likelihood, it's a paddle-shift gearbox with the
hydraulics
replaced by manual activation. Norman Choi is extremely friendly
but he
is more than a little bit coy, and is reluctant to share too many
details about these cars since the production cars will differ
(perhaps
greatly) in various ways.
I have to say that the public response to the P72 has been
overwhelming. It garners attention like nothing I've ever seen.
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 27, 2022, at 09:51, Jeff Detrich
<[8]jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Really good video. It'sA pronounced day-toe-mahso,A 50 years
> ofA mispronunciation on my part!. How could I have gotten it
wrong
for
> soA long.A Sound gets an A++A but I wonder if I'd feel theA
same
way
> after a couple of hours in theA driver's seat. I thought theA
P72
is
> supposed to be a manual transmission? This car is not. Too
bad. But
it
> does have a shifter in the console. I'm confused and
conflicted.
> Shutting the doors seems a bit awkward, two hands in the
video.
Styling
> a bit overdone in my opinion. Site lines overA theA front
fenders
would
> take some getting used to. Imagine pulling into a parking
space.
And a
> rear camera would be nice. Interior isA exquisite, I like the
gauge
> layout but maybe a little busy. Norman Choi gets an A++ as
well.
His
> enthusiasm is contagious. He lets the car do the talking!
> She's a beauty, out of my price range.
> Jeff
> 6559
>
> On Sat, Aug 27, 2022 at 10:08 AM Mike & Elizabeth
> <[1][9]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> A A Damon Fryer, Daily Driven Exotics, talks with the head
of
the
> new
> A A DeTomaso while going over the P72 prototype at Monterey
Car
> Week.
> A A Gorgeous.
> A A
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