[DeTomaso] Active suspension for Pantera

David david at msmcontractors.org
Mon Sep 20 15:12:23 EDT 2021



Suspension switch is the middle one. Back for street, up for track.



> On Sep 20, 2021, at 2:08 PM, Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> David,
> 
> Wow that sounds really cool. I don’t see anything like that on their website?
> 
> Scott—can you tell us more?
> 
> Mike
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2021, at 03:41, David <david at msmcontractors.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I got SAAC magnetic switchable shocks. 
>> They are street or track settings.
>> Just flip a switch.
>> Love em.
>> David Finley
>> 3659
>> 
>>> On Sep 20, 2021, at 1:18 PM, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank you Dick, I appreciate the insight.
>>> 
>>> We're looking to replace shocks on Dennis Antenucci's Pantera,  he's
>>> got Alden on there now, so we're considering rebuild or replace with
>>> something new like Koni or QA1.  Dawg remembered some other Pantera
>>> with active suspension and it turned out to be yours,
>>> 
>>> Thank you sir,
>>> 
>>> :)
>>> 
>>> Asa Jay
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>   On Sep 20, 2021, at 10:53, Dick Koch <redcatman74 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sadly, not that I know of, but you would think someone would have come
>>> up with a system by now.
>>> If someone had the knowhow and money, they probably could scavenge a
>>> late model car's active suspension (wrecked C8 Corvette comes to mind),
>>> but would probably be limited to the stock shock absorber settings set
>>> by the manufacturer.
>>> Some of the early active suspension designs had parts of the system
>>> mounted outside of the shock, which could pose a retrofit hassle.
>>> Dick's design has all the necessary feedback electronics in the shock
>>> itself, making the installation rather simple, with one cable to each
>>> shock from the controller.
>>> Dick Koch - Atlanta
>>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2021, 1:17 PM Asa Jay Laughton <[1]asajay at asajay.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sick,
>>> So, what I'm hearing you say is that the system is awesome but anyone
>>> else who wanted one today would not be able to get one.
>>> Is there anything else out there comparable to it?
>>> Asa  Jay
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>   On Sep 17, 2021, at 05:26, Dick Koch <[2]redcatman74 at gmail.com>
>>>   wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mike, you are correct. I installed Magneshock's Magneto-Rheological
>>> (MR) technology system 17 years ago.. To learn more about Dick
>>> Anderson's system, Google "Magneshocks"
>>> A direct link to how it works:
>>> [3]http://www.magneshocks.com/howitworks.html
>>> At the time, Dick was a leading innovator and developer of the
>>> technology and applying it to automotive applications, initially aimed
>>> at selling the system to the US army to retrofit the US Army's Humvee
>>> inventory.
>>> Due to a non-compete restriction when he sold Carrera shocks, his
>>> retail market was limited to race car usage.
>>> As a friend of Dick, he sold me the system as a way to show how it
>>> could be used on a street car. Folks may not remember, but when I went
>>> to the 2006 Pantera get together in Las Vegas, we tested the system at
>>> the Pahrump Valley racetrack.
>>> The system is unique, even with the use of the technology in current
>>> main line automobiles, in it's ability for the user to set up and
>>> change the shock reactive programs, and save the 5 programs, each
>>> program allowing the setting of individual reactive variables for each
>>> of the four shocks, depending on the track and road conditions. I
>>> applied my own twist on the system where I can switch instantly from
>>> one program setting to another, while underway, by use of thumb
>>> switches I installed on the steering wheel spokes.
>>> Dick was way ahead of his time, and sadly being encumbered by his
>>> non-compete restrictions, and Lord, the company that held the patent on
>>> the fluid used in magneto-rheological shocks, reneging on their
>>> agreement to supply him with the fluid for his government market,
>>> Dick's company closed down.
>>> The system came with all the cables and controller ready to install. I
>>> installed the control box in the front trunk along with the methanol
>>> injection pump and tank, with the control box connected to the program
>>> module in the cabin.
>>> In the Vegas trip, I had Dick riding in the passenger seat, and based
>>> on my need to change the "stiffness" of the shocks, he would instantly
>>> change the settings for each shock. Once I was satisfied with the
>>> changes, he saved them in one of the 5 available program settings, that
>>> could be recalled later with the turn of a knob on the dash, or using
>>> the thumb switches on the steering wheel.
>>> With my current refresh of my car nearing completion, I will be able to
>>> enjoy the benefits of the system again.
>>> [4]https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=6327103987329547&id=1000
>>> 00900252005
>>> On Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 7:32 PM MICHAEL DREW via DeTomaso
>>> <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>   AJ,
>>>   It's Georgia, Dick Koch in Atlanta (original owner of a `74 GTS) who
>>>   several years ago said he had partnered with an aftermarket company
>>>   to bring modern shocks to the Pantera.
>>>   Dick? What's the status?
>>>   Mike
>>>   Sent from my iPhone
>>>> On Sep 16, 2021, at 15:03, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso
>>>   <[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I've heard rumor of a red Pantera in Florida with some kind of
>>>   electronically controlled shock system.  Does anyone know anything
>>>   about that?
>>>> 
>>>> What other active suspension systems are out there for Panteras?
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Asa Jay
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> References
>>> 
>>> 1. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
>>> 2. mailto:redcatman74 at gmail.com
>>> 3. http://www.magneshocks.com/howitworks.html
>>> 4. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=6327103987329547&id=100000900252005
>>> 5. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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   Suspension switch is the middle one. Back for street, up for track.

   On Sep 20, 2021, at 2:08 PM, Mike Drew <[1]mikeldrew at aol.com> wrote:

   David,
   Wow that sounds really cool. I don't see anything like that on their
   website?
   Scott--can you tell us more?
   Mike
   Sent from my iPad

     On Sep 21, 2021, at 03:41, David <[2]david at msmcontractors.org>
     wrote:
     I got SAAC magnetic switchable shocks.
     They are street or track settings.
     Just flip a switch.
     Love em.
     David Finley
     3659

     On Sep 20, 2021, at 1:18 PM, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso
     <[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
     Thank you Dick, I appreciate the insight.
     We're looking to replace shocks on Dennis Antenucci's Pantera,  he's
     got Alden on there now, so we're considering rebuild or replace with
     something new like Koni or QA1.  Dawg remembered some other Pantera
     with active suspension and it turned out to be yours,
     Thank you sir,
     :)
     Asa Jay
     Sent from my iPhone
       On Sep 20, 2021, at 10:53, Dick Koch <[4]redcatman74 at gmail.com>
     wrote:
     Sadly, not that I know of, but you would think someone would have
     come
     up with a system by now.
     If someone had the knowhow and money, they probably could scavenge a
     late model car's active suspension (wrecked C8 Corvette comes to
     mind),
     but would probably be limited to the stock shock absorber settings
     set
     by the manufacturer.
     Some of the early active suspension designs had parts of the system
     mounted outside of the shock, which could pose a retrofit hassle.
     Dick's design has all the necessary feedback electronics in the
     shock
     itself, making the installation rather simple, with one cable to
     each
     shock from the controller.
     Dick Koch - Atlanta
     On Mon, Sep 20, 2021, 1:17 PM Asa Jay Laughton
     <[1][5]asajay at asajay.com>
     wrote:
     Sick,
     So, what I'm hearing you say is that the system is awesome but
     anyone
     else who wanted one today would not be able to get one.
     Is there anything else out there comparable to it?
     Asa  Jay
     Sent from my iPhone
       On Sep 17, 2021, at 05:26, Dick Koch <[2][6]redcatman74 at gmail.com>
       wrote:
     Mike, you are correct. I installed Magneshock's Magneto-Rheological
     (MR) technology system 17 years ago.. To learn more about Dick
     Anderson's system, Google "Magneshocks"
     A direct link to how it works:
     [3][7]http://www.magneshocks.com/howitworks.html
     At the time, Dick was a leading innovator and developer of the
     technology and applying it to automotive applications, initially
     aimed
     at selling the system to the US army to retrofit the US Army's
     Humvee
     inventory.
     Due to a non-compete restriction when he sold Carrera shocks, his
     retail market was limited to race car usage.
     As a friend of Dick, he sold me the system as a way to show how it
     could be used on a street car. Folks may not remember, but when I
     went
     to the 2006 Pantera get together in Las Vegas, we tested the system
     at
     the Pahrump Valley racetrack.
     The system is unique, even with the use of the technology in current
     main line automobiles, in it's ability for the user to set up and
     change the shock reactive programs, and save the 5 programs, each
     program allowing the setting of individual reactive variables for
     each
     of the four shocks, depending on the track and road conditions. I
     applied my own twist on the system where I can switch instantly from
     one program setting to another, while underway, by use of thumb
     switches I installed on the steering wheel spokes.
     Dick was way ahead of his time, and sadly being encumbered by his
     non-compete restrictions, and Lord, the company that held the patent
     on
     the fluid used in magneto-rheological shocks, reneging on their
     agreement to supply him with the fluid for his government market,
     Dick's company closed down.
     The system came with all the cables and controller ready to install.
     I
     installed the control box in the front trunk along with the methanol
     injection pump and tank, with the control box connected to the
     program
     module in the cabin.
     In the Vegas trip, I had Dick riding in the passenger seat, and
     based
     on my need to change the "stiffness" of the shocks, he would
     instantly
     change the settings for each shock. Once I was satisfied with the
     changes, he saved them in one of the 5 available program settings,
     that
     could be recalled later with the turn of a knob on the dash, or
     using
     the thumb switches on the steering wheel.
     With my current refresh of my car nearing completion, I will be able
     to
     enjoy the benefits of the system again.
     [4][8]https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=6327103987329547&i
     d=1000
     00900252005
     On Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 7:32 PM MICHAEL DREW via DeTomaso
     <[5][9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
       AJ,
       It's Georgia, Dick Koch in Atlanta (original owner of a `74 GTS)
     who
       several years ago said he had partnered with an aftermarket
     company
       to bring modern shocks to the Pantera.
       Dick? What's the status?
       Mike
       Sent from my iPhone

     On Sep 16, 2021, at 15:03, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso

       <[6][10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:

     Hi all,
     I've heard rumor of a red Pantera in Florida with some kind of

       electronically controlled shock system.  Does anyone know anything
       about that?

     What other active suspension systems are out there for Panteras?
     Thank you,
     Asa Jay
     Sent from my iPhone
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     References
     1. [15]mailto:asajay at asajay.com
     2. [16]mailto:redcatman74 at gmail.com
     3. [17]http://www.magneshocks.com/howitworks.html
     4.
     [18]https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=6327103987329547&id=
     100000900252005
     5. [19]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     6. [20]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     7. [21]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     8. [22]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     9. [23]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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References

   1. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
   2. mailto:david at msmcontractors.org
   3. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   4. mailto:redcatman74 at gmail.com
   5. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
   6. mailto:redcatman74 at gmail.com
   7. http://www.magneshocks.com/howitworks.html
   8. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=6327103987329547&id=1000
   9. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  10. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  11. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  12. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
  13. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  14. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
  15. mailto:asajay at asajay.com
  16. mailto:redcatman74 at gmail.com
  17. http://www.magneshocks.com/howitworks.html
  18. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=6327103987329547&id=100000900252005
  19. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  20. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  21. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  22. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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