[DeTomaso] Active suspension for Pantera
Dick Koch
redcatman74 at gmail.com
Mon Sep 20 13:52:53 EDT 2021
Sadly, not that I know of, but you would think someone would have come up
with a system by now.
If someone had the knowhow and money, they probably could scavenge a late
model car's active suspension (wrecked C8 Corvette comes to mind), but
would probably be limited to the stock shock absorber settings set by the
manufacturer.
Some of the early active suspension designs had parts of the system mounted
outside of the shock, which could pose a retrofit hassle. Dick's design has
all the necessary feedback electronics in the shock itself, making the
installation rather simple, with one cable to each shock from the
controller.
Dick Koch - Atlanta
On Mon, Sep 20, 2021, 1:17 PM Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
> Sick,
> So, what I’m hearing you say is that the system is awesome but anyone else
> who wanted one today would not be able to get one.
>
> Is there anything else out there comparable to it?
>
> Asa Jay
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 17, 2021, at 05:26, Dick Koch <redcatman74 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Mike, you are correct. I installed Magneshock's Magneto-Rheological (MR)
> technology system 17 years ago.. To learn more about Dick Anderson's
> system, Google "Magneshocks"
>
> A direct link to how it works:
> http://www.magneshocks.com/howitworks.html
>
> At the time, Dick was a leading innovator and developer of the technology
> and applying it to automotive applications, initially aimed at selling the
> system to the US army to retrofit the US Army's Humvee inventory.
>
> Due to a non-compete restriction when he sold Carrera shocks, his retail
> market was limited to race car usage.
>
> As a friend of Dick, he sold me the system as a way to show how it could
> be used on a street car. Folks may not remember, but when I went to the
> 2006 Pantera get together in Las Vegas, we tested the system at the Pahrump
> Valley racetrack.
>
> The system is unique, even with the use of the technology in current main
> line automobiles, in it's ability for the user to set up and change the
> shock reactive programs, and save the 5 programs, each program allowing the
> setting of individual reactive variables for each of the four shocks,
> depending on the track and road conditions. I applied my own twist on the
> system where I can switch instantly from one program setting to another,
> while underway, by use of thumb switches I installed on the steering wheel
> spokes.
>
> Dick was way ahead of his time, and sadly being encumbered by his
> non-compete restrictions, and Lord, the company that held the patent on the
> fluid used in magneto-rheological shocks, reneging on their agreement to
> supply him with the fluid for his government market, Dick's company closed
> down.
>
> The system came with all the cables and controller ready to install. I
> installed the control box in the front trunk along with the methanol
> injection pump and tank, with the control box connected to the program
> module in the cabin.
>
> In the Vegas trip, I had Dick riding in the passenger seat, and based on
> my need to change the "stiffness" of the shocks, he would instantly change
> the settings for each shock. Once I was satisfied with the changes, he
> saved them in one of the 5 available program settings, that could be
> recalled later with the turn of a knob on the dash, or using the thumb
> switches on the steering wheel.
>
> With my current refresh of my car nearing completion, I will be able to
> enjoy the benefits of the system again.
> https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=6327103987329547&id=100000900252005
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 7:32 PM MICHAEL DREW via DeTomaso <
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
>> AJ,
>>
>> It’s Georgia, Dick Koch in Atlanta (original owner of a ‘74 GTS) who
>> several years ago said he had partnered with an aftermarket company to
>> bring modern shocks to the Pantera.
>>
>> Dick? What’s the status?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Sep 16, 2021, at 15:03, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso <
>> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> > I’ve heard rumor of a red Pantera in Florida with some kind of
>> electronically controlled shock system. Does anyone know anything about
>> that?
>> >
>> > What other active suspension systems are out there for Panteras?
>> >
>> > Thank you,
>> > Asa Jay
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
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Sadly, not that I know of, but you would think someone would have come
up with a system by now.
If someone had the knowhow and money, they probably could scavenge a
late model car's active suspension (wrecked C8 Corvette comes to mind),
but would probably be limited to the stock shock absorber settings set
by the manufacturer.
Some of the early active suspension designs had parts of the system
mounted outside of the shock, which could pose a retrofit hassle.
Dick's design has all the necessary feedback electronics in the shock
itself, making the installation rather simple, with one cable to each
shock from the controller.
Dick Koch - Atlanta
On Mon, Sep 20, 2021, 1:17 PM Asa Jay Laughton <[1]asajay at asajay.com>
wrote:
Sick,
So, what Iam hearing you say is that the system is awesome but anyone
else who wanted one today would not be able to get one.
Is there anything else out there comparable to it?
Asa A Jay
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 17, 2021, at 05:26, Dick Koch <[2]redcatman74 at gmail.com>
wrote:
i>>?
Mike, you are correct. I installed Magneshock's Magneto-Rheological
(MR) technology system 17 years ago.. To learn more about Dick
Anderson's system, Google "Magneshocks"
A direct link to how it works:
[3]http://www.magneshocks.com/howitworks.html
At the time, Dick was a leading innovator and developer of the
technology and applying it to automotive applications, initially aimed
at selling the system to the US army to retrofit the US Army's Humvee
inventory.
Due to a non-compete restriction when he sold Carrera shocks, his
retail market was limited to race car usage.
As a friend of Dick, he sold me the system as a way to show how it
could be used on a street car. Folks may not remember, but when I went
to the 2006 Pantera get together in Las Vegas, we tested the system at
the Pahrump Valley racetrack.
The system is unique, even with the use of the technology in current
main line automobiles, in it's ability for the user to set up and
change the shock reactive programs, and save the 5 programs, each
program allowing the setting of individual reactive variables for each
of the four shocks, depending on the track and road conditions. I
applied my own twist on the system where I can switch instantly from
one program setting to another, while underway, by use of thumb
switches I installed on the steering wheel spokes.
Dick was way ahead of his time, and sadly being encumbered by his
non-compete restrictions, and Lord, the company that held the patent on
the fluid used in magneto-rheological shocks, reneging on their
agreement to supply him with the fluid for his government market,
Dick's company closed down.
The system came with all the cables and controller ready to install. I
installed the control box in the front trunk along with the methanol
injection pump and tank, with the control box connected to the program
module in the cabin.
In the Vegas trip, I had Dick riding in the passenger seat, and based
on my need to change the "stiffness" of the shocks, he would instantly
change the settings for each shock. Once I was satisfied with the
changes, he saved them in one of the 5 available program settings, that
could be recalled later with the turn of a knob on the dash, or using
the thumb switches on the steering wheel.
With my current refresh of my car nearing completion, I will be able to
enjoy the benefits of the system again.
[4]https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=6327103987329547&id=1000
00900252005
On Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 7:32 PM MICHAEL DREW via DeTomaso
<[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
AJ,
Itas Georgia, Dick Koch in Atlanta (original owner of a a74 GTS) who
several years ago said he had partnered with an aftermarket company
to bring modern shocks to the Pantera.
Dick? Whatas the status?
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 16, 2021, at 15:03, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso
<[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> i>>?Hi all,
> Iave heard rumor of a red Pantera in Florida with some kind of
electronically controlled shock system.A Does anyone know anything
about that?
>
> What other active suspension systems are out there for Panteras?
>
> Thank you,
> Asa Jay
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> _______________________________________________
>
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