[DeTomaso] Oil pan for a '73 Cleveland recommendations

Julian Kift julian_kift at hotmail.com
Tue Sep 7 17:10:11 EDT 2021 

I recall a prior discussion with someone that the Kevko pan does have the baffles and trap doors to maintain oil at the pickup and mitigate oil starvation, photo from Kevko site below.

I personally think the high-volume oil pump can only help the Cleveland oiling, but don't advocate for the high-pressure oil pump.

Julian
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil pan for a '73 Cleveland recommendations

I bought the Kevko with the high volume oil pump and specific oil intake.

Any thoughts on using the high volume oil pump vs the original pump ?

On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 3:01 PM Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com<mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com>> wrote:
Seconding what Julian said.

Aviaid has been building racing pans since the early 1960s if not before. Their Pantera pan is terrific, and they are liable to have them in stock.

Armando was an employee of Aviaid who fled to Texas and brought all their intellectual property with him, in his head. So he builds identical pans, and sells for a few dollars less I think. You may have to wait a bit.

I don’t know about Kevko pans. They may have reverse-engineered an Aviaid pan as well? I hope they didn’t copy Miloden.

Miloden made a Pantera pan that was absolutely shameful. It was nothing but a 10-quart bucket with nothing inside. The first time I got to see the inside of one was when a connecting rod came flying out the side of Larry Stock’s pan at the track in Vegas. He has bought the motor with the pan installed and from the outside it looked like an Aviaid. Only after it failed to do its job and oil starvation in corners caused the engine to blow up did we all learn the truth.

No matter what pan you go with, you do NOT need a different dipstick arrangement. Your car should have a dipstick with a yellow handle and measure 38 inches from tip to cup. The dipstick controls the oil level relative to the bottom of the crankshaft. You could have Lake Michigan hanging under your car and would still want to retain that same top oil level.

Mike

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> On Sep 7, 2021, at 10:02, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
>    Your choices for a 9 quart Pantera specific pan are;
>
>   Aviaid [1]https://aviaid.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/ws_oilpns_sbf_cleve
>   land.html
>
>   Armando's [2]http://www.aroilpans.com/Roadrace.html
>
>   Kevko [3]https://kevkoracing.com/products/part-f602-400-m-ford-pantera-
>   pan
>
>   Julian
>     __________________________________________________________________
>
>   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of
>   Konrad Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com<mailto:kszwab at gmail.com>>
>   Sent: Tuesday, September 7, 2021 9:57 AM
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>   <DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com>>; Steve Dragos
>   <maycoperformance at yahoo.com<mailto:maycoperformance at yahoo.com>>
>   Subject: [DeTomaso] Oil pan for a '73 Cleveland recommendations
>
>   Sooo after 6 years in the shop when we were ready to drive it out, last
>   weekend a spot weld broke in the oil pan baffle and rubbed against the
>   crankshaft.
>   No damage, but I need a new oil pan.
>   Hall Pantera does not sell them and Pantera Performance is not
>   answering
>   the phone.
>   Who should I contact, maybe Summit Racing ?
>   Any thoughts ?
>   Thanks,
>   Konrad
>
> References
>
>   1. https://aviaid.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/ws_oilpns_sbf_cleveland.html
>   2. http://www.aroilpans.com/Roadrace.html
>   3. https://kevkoracing.com/products/part-f602-400-m-ford-pantera-pan
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   I recall a prior discussion with someone that the Kevko pan does have
   the baffles and trap doors to maintain oil at the pickup and mitigate
   oil starvation, photo from Kevko site below.

   I personally think the high-volume oil pump can only help the Cleveland
   oiling, but don't advocate for the high-pressure oil pump.

   Julian

   [cid:ddcf5ec9-c2e6-482c-8852-6eb00bbbc037]
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: Konrad Szwab <kszwab at gmail.com>
   Sent: Tuesday, September 7, 2021 1:41 PM
   To: Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
   Cc: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>;
   DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>;
   Steve Dragos <maycoperformance at yahoo.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil pan for a '73 Cleveland recommendations

   I bought the Kevko with the high volume oil pump and specific oil
   intake.
   Any thoughts on using the high volume oil pump vs the original pump ?
   On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 3:01 PM Mike Drew <[1]mikeldrew at aol.com> wrote:

     Seconding what Julian said.
     Aviaid has been building racing pans since the early 1960s if not
     before. Their Pantera pan is terrific, and they are liable to have
     them in stock.
     Armando was an employee of Aviaid who fled to Texas and brought all
     their intellectual property with him, in his head. So he builds
     identical pans, and sells for a few dollars less I think. You may
     have to wait a bit.
     I don't know about Kevko pans. They may have reverse-engineered an
     Aviaid pan as well? I hope they didn't copy Miloden.
     Miloden made a Pantera pan that was absolutely shameful. It was
     nothing but a 10-quart bucket with nothing inside. The first time I
     got to see the inside of one was when a connecting rod came flying
     out the side of Larry Stock's pan at the track in Vegas. He has
     bought the motor with the pan installed and from the outside it
     looked like an Aviaid. Only after it failed to do its job and oil
     starvation in corners caused the engine to blow up did we all learn
     the truth.
     No matter what pan you go with, you do NOT need a different dipstick
     arrangement. Your car should have a dipstick with a yellow handle
     and measure 38 inches from tip to cup. The dipstick controls the oil
     level relative to the bottom of the crankshaft. You could have Lake
     Michigan hanging under your car and would still want to retain that
     same top oil level.
     Mike
     Sent from my iPad
     > On Sep 7, 2021, at 10:02, Julian Kift <[2]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
     wrote:
     >
     >    Your choices for a 9 quart Pantera specific pan are;
     >
     >   Aviaid
     [1][3]https://aviaid.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/ws_oilpns_sbf_cleve
     >   land.html
     >
     >   Armando's [2][4]http://www.aroilpans.com/Roadrace.html
     >
     >   Kevko
     [3][5]https://kevkoracing.com/products/part-f602-400-m-ford-pantera-
     >   pan
     >
     >   Julian
     >
     __________________________________________________________________
     >
     >   From: DeTomaso <[6]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
     behalf of
     >   Konrad Szwab <[7]kszwab at gmail.com>
     >   Sent: Tuesday, September 7, 2021 9:57 AM
     >   To: [8]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     >   <[9]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Steve Dragos
     >   <[10]maycoperformance at yahoo.com>
     >   Subject: [DeTomaso] Oil pan for a '73 Cleveland recommendations
     >
     >   Sooo after 6 years in the shop when we were ready to drive it
     out, last
     >   weekend a spot weld broke in the oil pan baffle and rubbed
     against the
     >   crankshaft.
     >   No damage, but I need a new oil pan.
     >   Hall Pantera does not sell them and Pantera Performance is not
     >   answering
     >   the phone.
     >   Who should I contact, maybe Summit Racing ?
     >   Any thoughts ?
     >   Thanks,
     >   Konrad
     >
     > References
     >
     >   1.
     [11]https://aviaid.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/ws_oilpns_sbf_clevelan
     d.html
     >   2. [12]http://www.aroilpans.com/Roadrace.html
     >   3.
     [13]https://kevkoracing.com/products/part-f602-400-m-ford-pantera-pa
     n
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References

   1. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
   2. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
   3. https://aviaid.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/ws_oilpns_sbf_cleve
   4. http://www.aroilpans.com/Roadrace.html
   5. https://kevkoracing.com/products/part-f602-400-m-ford-pantera-
   6. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
   7. mailto:kszwab at gmail.com
   8. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   9. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  10. mailto:maycoperformance at yahoo.com
  11. https://aviaid.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/ws_oilpns_sbf_cleveland.html
  12. http://www.aroilpans.com/Roadrace.html
  13. https://kevkoracing.com/products/part-f602-400-m-ford-pantera-pan
  14. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  15. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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