[DeTomaso] 10 Things Everyone Forgot About The De Tomaso Pantera

Mon Jan 11 17:21:22 EST 2021

 Great to hear DeTomaso owners have so much in common.
Back to "HotCars"The article still makes me want to give this another piece of my mind.... to wit...
"It was supposed to be a mid-engine sports car, sadly the nature of the heavy old Cleveland pushrod engine is that it needed an equally heavy transmission.  Thus, the combined weight ended up right above the rear wheels, making it a handful in the corners. It left most people disillusioned with a car that just kept on trying not to be the sports car Ford told them it was going to be."
This guy obviously knows nothing about center of Mass or center of gravity.    The Cleveland, at about 500 lbs and well forward of the transaxle, is about 6.5 times the weight of the ZF  ("...equally heavy transmission".... indeed).  Mid engine to be sure.  
(Sarcasm)  I guess the same holds for the Ford GT-40 with a 427 and the ZF ?? (End Sarcasm).
What is the evaluation of the Maserati Bora?There was no comment about "heavy transmission" in their BMW M1 review.
HotCars .... BullSh*t indeed.
Bohdan G.

    On Monday, January 11, 2021, 03:27:00 p.m. EST, Himes, Terry (US 397C) <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:  

 Same here. In 1974 I looked at a yellow Pantera at a Lincoln-Mercury dealer in East Lansing, MI.
I couldn't afford one.  But later that year I did buy a used Ford Mustang. 

"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
 stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"

Terry W. Himes 
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
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On 1/10/21, 7:59 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of The Goyaniuks via DeTomaso" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:

    What a bunch of Garbage.
    In 1975, I  was in a Lincoln-Mercury Dealer showroom where a yellow DeTomaso Pantera was on display with a metallic brown Ford Capri.  I bought the car I could afford at the time - the Capri.  But the DeTomaso Pantera was marketed by the brochures of the day as a DeTomaso Pantera imported by Ford for Lincoln-Mercury.  As was the Capri I may add.
    Perhaps the author did not live during the era of the Pantera's introduction
    Not a Sports Car ??????
    "...Group 4 cars won EGTC rounds in Italy, Belgium, and Germany with Mike Parkes and the Swiss talent Clay Regazzoni driving, though the Pantera GT4’s greatest success came at the 1973 Giro d’Italia. The first iteration of the event in its modern history, it encompassed circuit racing, time trials, and hill climbs, where the Pantera of Casoni and Minganti defeated the biggest marques of the moment across three arduous days of racing...."
    In researching the article, the author should have reviewed the Car magazines of the day.
    I guess the Lotus Europa of the day was not a sports car because it had a Ford Twin Cam 4 cylinder ?  During the day, many Marques used other companies engines.  This was common right up to Formula 1- where all engines (in 1974-1975) were either Ford-Cosworth or Ferrari.  
    What a bunch of Garbage or "Bovine Scat-ology"How does this get any oxygen?
    Just goes to show that just because it is on the internet, Twitter, Facebook, does not make it true.  The ignorant are easily duped as January 6th 2021 had proved.

        On Saturday, January 9, 2021, 12:16:55 a.m. EST, Don Thomas <dtpantera at gmail.com> wrote:  

      Just saw this ... and just wanted to pass this along.A
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      Enjoy,A
      Best regards,
      -dt
      Don Thomas

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   Great to hear DeTomaso owners have so much in common.
   Back to "HotCars"
   The article still makes me want to give this another piece of my
   mind.... to wit...
   "It was supposed to be a [1]mid-engine sports car, sadly the nature of
   the heavy old Cleveland pushrod engine is that it needed an equally
   heavy transmission.  Thus, the combined weight ended up right above the
   rear wheels, making it a handful in the corners. It left most people
   disillusioned with a car that just kept on trying not to be the sports
   car Ford told them it was going to be."
   This guy obviously knows nothing about center of Mass or center of
   gravity.    The Cleveland, at about 500 lbs and well forward of the
   transaxle, is about 6.5 times the weight of the ZF  ("...equally heavy
   transmission".... indeed).  Mid engine to be sure.
   (Sarcasm)  I guess the same holds for the Ford GT-40 with a 427 and the
   ZF ?? (End Sarcasm).
   What is the evaluation of the Maserati Bora?
   There was no comment about "heavy transmission" in their BMW M1 review.
   HotCars .... BullSh*t indeed.
   Bohdan G.

   On Monday, January 11, 2021, 03:27:00 p.m. EST, Himes, Terry (US 397C)
   <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
   Same here. In 1974 I looked at a yellow Pantera at a Lincoln-Mercury
   dealer in East Lansing, MI.
   I couldn't afford one.  But later that year I did buy a used Ford
   Mustang.
   "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
   stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
   Terry W. Himes
   JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
   Deep Space Exploration a Mission Operations
   Dawn Spacecraft Team
   Europa Lander Science Support Team
   TGO Sequence Lead
   MEX Sequence Lead
   Odyssey Sequence Team
   Spitzer Space Telescope Data Team
   Phone: (818) 393-6261
   Cell:    (818) 653-8213
   [2]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
   i>>?On 1/10/21, 7:59 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of The Goyaniuks via
   DeTomaso" <[3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   [4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
       What a bunch of Garbage.
       In 1975, I  was in a Lincoln-Mercury Dealer showroom where a yellow
   DeTomaso Pantera was on display with a metallic brown Ford Capri.  I
   bought the car I could afford at the time - the Capri.  But the
   DeTomaso Pantera was marketed by the brochures of the day as a DeTomaso
   Pantera imported by Ford for Lincoln-Mercury.  As was the Capri I may
   add.
       Perhaps the author did not live during the era of the Pantera's
   introduction
       Not a Sports Car ??????
       "...Group 4 cars won EGTC rounds in Italy, Belgium, and Germany
   with Mike Parkes and the Swiss talent Clay Regazzoni driving, though
   the Pantera GT4as greatest success came at the 1973 Giro daItalia. The
   first iteration of the event in its modern history, it encompassed
   circuit racing, time trials, and hill climbs, where the Pantera of
   Casoni and Minganti defeated the biggest marques of the moment across
   three arduous days of racing...."
       In researching the article, the author should have reviewed the Car
   magazines of the day.
       I guess the Lotus Europa of the day was not a sports car because it
   had a Ford Twin Cam 4 cylinder ?  During the day, many Marques used
   other companies engines.  This was common right up to Formula 1- where
   all engines (in 1974-1975) were either Ford-Cosworth or Ferrari.
       What a bunch of Garbage or "Bovine Scat-ology"How does this get any
   oxygen?
       Just goes to show that just because it is on the internet, Twitter,
   Facebook, does not make it true.  The ignorant are easily duped as
   January 6th 2021 had proved.
           On Saturday, January 9, 2021, 12:16:55 a.m. EST, Don Thomas
   <[5]dtpantera at gmail.com> wrote:
         Just saw this ... and just wanted to pass this along.A

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         Enjoy,A
         Best regards,
         -dt
         Don Thomas
       References
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