[DeTomaso] Gruppo 4

L GRAY tipo874a at msn.com
Wed Aug 4 19:07:05 EDT 2021 

   For the record , again……….
   Guy’s car and mine both ran the same 24 Hrs of Le Mans race in the Grand Touring (GT)
class, Group 4 sub-group. They were built exactly the same. 

Leslie A. Gray

> On Aug 4, 2021, at 1:16 PM, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> 
>    FWIW, there are two factory built Gr-3s in the U.S. (one in British
>   Columbia, the other in So-Cal). As well as Guy Trigaux's factory GR-4
>   in N Carolina and Les Gray's factory GT-4 in So-Cal. Considering that
>   there were only 34 Gr-3s and 14 GR-4/GT-4s ever factory-built, we have
>   a high proportion of these rare racers 'locally'.  Note also they are
>   all owned by POCA members....   The other 12 GR-4s are scattered all
>   over the world- one is still in Australia with its original owner from
>   the '70s, I believe.
>   Steve, do you have the original homologation papers for the Pantera?
>   Makes quite interesting reading and maybe could settle arguments with
>   some Vintage inspectors. They're all in the POCA Archives along with
>   the official 14 pg Gr-3/GR-4 Parts Lists. Note to OEM fanatics: the
>   homologated factory roll cage may be desirable for collectors of static
>   displays but if you want to drive your racer as it should be driven,
>   it's no longer an acceptable safety part in the U.S. The cage's welded
>   tube wall thickness is 0.060" while the SCCA requires 0.090" nowadays.
>   Not sure about European rules.
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
>   To: Guy Trigaux <gdt2860 at gmail.com>
>   Cc: Patrick HALS <patrickhals at gmail.com>; Claude Dubois
>   <claudeduboisbelgium at gmail.com>; List DeTomaso Forum
>   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>;
>   rimovp at gmail.com <rimovp at gmail.com>
>   Sent: Wed, Aug 4, 2021 8:53 am
>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Gruppo 4
>     Guy,
>     If you are racing in the US in the coming months, please keep me
>   posted
>     on your plans. Perhaps we can get a common weekend on our
>     calendars.
>     Have you considered the HSR Classic 24 at Daytona -- coming up in
>   late
>     October. We are planning to bring two cars: the Pantera for the HSR
>     Sprint races and a Panoz Esperanta GT2 for the 24-hour.  Any chance
>     you can make it?
>     Regards,A
>     Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
>     The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
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>     On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 6:17 PM Guy Trigaux <[3][2]gdt2860 at gmail.com>
>     wrote:
>     On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 2:49 PM Patrick HALS
>   <[4][3]patrickhals at gmail.com>
>     wrote:
>     Honestly, Steve, if you'd race over here with a Pantera in the EU
>     classic series, you would quickly realize that self derision is not
>     very common, by far.A
>     Especially with some ( not all, luckily ) French and German
>     drivers...A
>     I know I will suffer after these top secret revelations, but that's
>   how
>     I feelA  !
>     Yet, I'll be so glad to race again with those gentlemen, and show
>   them
>     my red lights :>))
>     Best !A
>     Pat
>     Candy 2862
>     ADA 9628
>     LeA mar. 3 aoA>>t 2021 A A 20:19, Steve Lisa
>     <[5][4]stevelisa at patentit.com> a A(c)critA :
>     Gotta love peopleA with a great talent for self-derision -- if you
>   race
>     cars, it's pretty much a requirement.
>     Regards,A
>     Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
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>     On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 11:16 AM alessandro1977621
>     <[8][6]patrickhals at gmail.com> wrote:
>     Yes, that's the one, 2860..
>     Finished Le Mans twice, in 72 and 75
>     Claude Dubois and Guy Trigaux can rell you stories about their car
>   for
>     hours.
>     Just ask, they love it, and both are great story tellers, with a
>     fantastic sense of humor, skills and self derision
>     Pat
>     Candy 2862
>     Ada 9628
>     EnvoyA(c) depuis mon tA(c)lA(c)phone
>     -------- Message original --------
>     DeA : Steve Lisa <[9][7]stevelisa at patentit.com>
>     DateA : mar. 3 aoA>>t 2021 A  19:58
>     AA : Patrick HALS <[10][8]patrickhals at gmail.com>
>     CcA : List DeTomaso Forum <[11][9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>,
>   Mike
>     Drew <[12][10]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, [13][11]rimovp at gmail.com, Guy &
>   Denise
>     Trigaux <[14][12]gdt2860 at gmail.com>
>     ObjetA : Re: [DeTomaso] Gruppo 4
>     I found this today
>     --A
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>     Regards,A
>     Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
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>     On Tue, Aug 3, 2021 at 10:32 AM Patrick HALS
>     <[18][15]patrickhals at gmail.com> wrote:
>       A  A Hi all,A
>       A  A I think it must be VIN 2860, one of 14 factoryA cars, which
>       was, in
>       A  A period, belonging to the Belgian team " Team Willeme".A
>       A  A ThisA car is now the property of Guy Trigaux, and in
>   immaculate
>       A  A condition.A  >>>A  I bought the car from Team WillemeA
>       December 15 - 1977 . Arrived late in the BeNeLux GR.2 to Gr .5 --
>       1978 Championship due to complete rebuild of the car . Same
>       Championship in 1979 : 1st in Gr .4 at the end of the season and
>   2nd
>       in the General Classification ( won by a 935 ) . IA  have enjoyed
>       the car at VIR , Road Atlanta andA  Roebling RoadA  hopA(R)ng to
>       "test " the new pavement of CMP one of the next months ...A A
>       A  A Patrick
>       A  A Candy 2862
>       A  A ADA 9628
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