[DeTomaso] New 15" tires for 10" Campys - resend
Jeff Detrich
jjdetrich at gmail.com
Wed Sep 23 16:06:49 EDT 2020
The Avon 60 series look tall and skinny up front. I changed to Michelin 50
series up front with the Avon 50 series on back 10" Campys. Not matching
but much better looking and handling is balanced on the track.
Just my opinion. I still own the 60 series Avon fronts.
Jeff
6559
On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 1:42 PM Richard Greenblum <
richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
> I ran Euro T/A's on my 8 and 10 inch Campys for a long time and had the
> same experience as Garth, they were pretty slippery. In all fairness, they
> got worse as they aged as most tires will. After just one 20 minute
> session at COTA on NOS T/As, they were fried, I couldn't hardly keep the
> back end of the car behind me during the second session.
>
>
>
> I took the plunge and called Roger Kraus Racing [(510) 582-5031] about
> Avon CR6ZZs and Roger answered the phone. I knew the sizes already, but he
> wanted to verify the application. When I told him the car they were going
> on, he confirmed the sizes. He also said there were Pantera owners at
> Kraus and strongly recommended 3M film behind the rear tires because the
> Avons are so sticky they will pick up anything in their path and sling it.
> I had the film added below the beltline from the wheel opening to muffler
> cutout. If you want confidence, I think this is the only way to go. I
> don't worry about speed or traction anymore. I haven't driven in the rain
> with them, but Roger said they're probably not as good as the T/A's in the
> wet.
>
>
>
> The sizes for the Campys is 215/60VR15 and 295/50VR15.
>
>
>
> I've only got the rears on my car right now with 225/50-15 Falkens up
> front. I'm in the long process of installing a new engine which weighs
> less than the old one. After the install, I'll make the necessary
> suspension adjustments (adjustable Konis) and get it aligned with new Avons
> up front. The car drives surprisingly well with Falken-Avon combination.
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> Austin, TX
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On Behalf Of
> Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso
>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 9:52 AM
>
> To: Lashdeep Singh <lashdeep at yahoo.com>; DeTomaso Mail List <
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Paul Rimov <rimovp at gmail.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New 15" tires for 10" Campys - resend
>
>
>
> D'oh! I'm just happy there are some additional options available.
> Clearly NOT a performance tire, but better speed rating than the BFG's. It
> would be interesting to do a handling comparison between the 2 sets of
> tires on the same car on the same course.
>
> I used to have BFG Radial TA (front) and Euro TA (rear) on my car and they
> did NOT inspire confidence! They were super slippery in any turn. When I
> switched to the Toyo Proxies years ago, my Pantera became an entirely
> different car... all of a sudden I could take corners at speed, with
> confidence that the car wasn't going to slide off the line.
>
> Anyway, I hope you guys are doing well Paul and Lashdeep. Maybe we'll get
> to catch up at the Monterey Historic Races next year (hopefully) and we can
> pontificate tires over a few beers. :)
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 23, 2020, 06:28:54 AM PDT, Lashdeep Singh <
> lashdeep at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Paul, you could also use them as a cutting board for meats or cheese.
>
>
>
> > On Sep 22, 2020, at 11:58, Paul A Rimov <rimovp at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > With a UTQG rating of 680aa the tread of the Kinergy STs should last
> for a minimum of 3 future owners.
>
> >
>
> > rimovp at gmail.com
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >> On Sep 22, 2020, at 8:37 AM, Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso <
> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> Re-sending to correct the formatting of the message. Not sure why
>
> >> the list often strings multiple lines together on one line...
>
> >> Looks like there may be some more/new options available for rear
>
> >>tires
>
> >> for our Panteras...
>
> >> I was just on the Tire Rack website and found the following:
>
> >> 1. Hankook KINERGY ST All Season Touring tires
>
> >> - Available in both 205/60R15 (front - $78.98 ea.) and
>
> >>P295/50R15
>
> >> (rear - $154.07 ea.)
>
> >> - Speed rating: T - 118 mph
>
> >> - It's now possible to have a matched set of tires front and rear.
>
> >> May be a good option for street driven narrow-body Panteras.
>
> >>
>
> >>https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Hankook&tireModel=Ki
>
> >>n
>
> >>
>
> >>ergy+ST&sidewall=Raised%20White%20Letters&partnum=95TR5H735RWL&tab=Siz
>
> >>e
>
> >> s
>
> >> 2. Hankook VENTUS H101 All-Season Performance tires
>
> >> - Only available in P295/50R15 (rea - $162.98 ea.)
>
> >> - Speed rating: S - 112 mph
>
> >>
>
> >>https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Hankook&tireModel=Ve
>
> >>n
>
> >> tus+H101&partnum=95SR5H101
>
> >> 3. Cooper COBRA RADIAL G/T All-Season Performance tires
>
> >> - Only available in P295/50R15 (rear - $182.87 ea.)
>
> >> - Speed rating: S - 112 mph
>
> >>
>
> >>https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Cooper&tireModel=Cob
>
> >>r
>
> >> a+Radial+G%2FT&partnum=95SR5CRGTRWL
>
> >> 3. BF Goodrich RADIAL T/A All-Season Performance tires
>
> >> - Available in both 205/60R15 (front - $142.65 ea.) and
>
> >>P295/50R15
>
> >> (rear - $219.94 ea.)
>
> >> - Speed rating: S - 112 mph
>
> >> - A matched set of tires front and rear, but speed rating is
>
> >>less
>
> >> than the Hankook Kinergy.
>
> >>
>
> >>https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=BFGoodrich&tireModel
>
> >>=
>
> >> Radial+T%2FA&partnum=95SR5RADTARWL2V3
>
> >> I'm just the messenger sharing some additional options.
>
> >> Cheers!
>
> >> Garth
>
> >> #4033
>
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The Avon 60 series look tall and skinny up front. I changed to Michelin
50 series up front with the Avon 50 series on back 10" Campys. Not
matching but much better looking and handling is balanced on the track.
Just my opinion. I still own the 60 series Avon fronts.A
Jeff
6559
A
On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 1:42 PM Richard Greenblum
<[1]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
I ran Euro T/A's on my 8 and 10 inch Campys for a long time and had
the same experience as Garth, they were pretty slippery.A In all
fairness, they got worse as they aged as most tires will.A After
just one 20 minute session at COTA on NOS T/As, they were fried, I
couldn't hardly keep the back end of the car behind me during the
second session.
I took the plunge and called Roger Kraus Racing [(510) 582-5031]
about Avon CR6ZZs and Roger answered the phone.A I knew the sizes
already, but he wanted to verify the application.A When I told him
the car they were going on, he confirmed the sizes.A He also said
there were Pantera owners at Kraus and strongly recommended 3M film
behind the rear tires because the Avons are so sticky they will pick
up anything in their path and sling it.A I had the film added below
the beltline from the wheel opening to muffler cutout.A If you want
confidence, I think this is the only way to go.A I don't worry
about speed or traction anymore.A I haven't driven in the rain with
them, but Roger said they're probably not as good as the T/A's in
the wet.
The sizes for the Campys is 215/60VR15 and 295/50VR15.
I've only got the rears on my car right now with 225/50-15 Falkens
up front.A I'm in the long process of installing a new engine which
weighs less than the old one.A After the install, I'll make the
necessary suspension adjustments (adjustable Konis) and get it
aligned with new Avons up front.A The car drives surprisingly well
with Falken-Avon combination.
Richard
Austin, TX
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On
Behalf Of Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 9:52 AM
To: Lashdeep Singh <[3]lashdeep at yahoo.com>; DeTomaso Mail List
<[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Paul Rimov
<[5]rimovp at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New 15" tires for 10" Campys - resend
A D'oh!A I'm just happy there are some additional options
available.A Clearly NOT a performance tire, but better speed rating
than the BFG's.A It would be interesting to do a handling
comparison between the 2 sets of tires on the same car on the same
course.
I used to have BFG Radial TA (front) and Euro TA (rear) on my car
and they did NOT inspire confidence!A They were super slippery in
any turn.A When I switched to the Toyo Proxies years ago, my
Pantera became an entirely different car...A all of a sudden I
could take corners at speed, with confidence that the car wasn't
going to slide off the line.
Anyway, I hope you guys are doing well Paul and Lashdeep.A Maybe
we'll get to catch up at the Monterey Historic Races next year
(hopefully) and we can pontificate tires over a few beers.A :)
A A On Wednesday, September 23, 2020, 06:28:54 AM PDT, Lashdeep
Singh <[6]lashdeep at yahoo.com> wrote:A
A Paul, you could also use them as a cutting board for meats or
cheese.
> On Sep 22, 2020, at 11:58, Paul A Rimov <[7]rimovp at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> i>>?With a UTQG rating of 680aa the tread of the Kinergy STs
should last for a minimum of 3 future owners.
>
> [8]rimovp at gmail.com
>
>
>
>> On Sep 22, 2020, at 8:37 AM, Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso
<[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>
>> i>>?
>>>
>>>> Re-sending to correct the formatting of the message. Not sure
why
>>A the list often strings multiple lines together on one line...
>>A Looks like there may be some more/new options available for
rear
>>tires
>>A for our Panteras...
>>A I was just on the Tire Rack website and found the following:
>>A 1. Hankook KINERGY ST All Season Touring tires
>>A A A - Available in both 205/60R15 (front - $78.98 ea.) and
>>P295/50R15
>>A (rear - $154.07 ea.)
>>A A A - Speed rating: T - 118 mph
>>A A A - It's now possible to have a matched set of tires front
and rear.
>>A May be a good option for street driven narrow-body Panteras.
>>A
>>[10]https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Hankook&tire
Model=Ki
>>n
>>A
>>ergy+ST&sidewall=Raised%20White%20Letters&partnum=95TR5H735RWL&tab
=Siz
>>e
>>A s
>>A 2. Hankook VENTUS H101 All-Season Performance tires
>>A A A - Only available in P295/50R15 (rea - $162.98 ea.)
>>A A A - Speed rating: S - 112 mph
>>A
>>[11]https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Hankook&tire
Model=Ve
>>n
>>A tus+H101&partnum=95SR5H101
>>A 3. Cooper COBRA RADIAL G/TA All-Season Performance tires
>>A A A - Only available in P295/50R15 (rear - $182.87 ea.)
>>A A A - Speed rating: S - 112 mph
>>A
>>[12]https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Cooper&tireM
odel=Cob
>>r
>>A a+Radial+G%2FT&partnum=95SR5CRGTRWL
>>A 3. BF Goodrich RADIAL T/AA All-Season Performance tires
>>A A A -A Available in both 205/60R15 (front - $142.65 ea.) and
>>P295/50R15
>>A (rear - $219.94 ea.)
>>A A A - Speed rating: S - 112 mph
>>A A A - A matched set of tires front and rear, but speed rating
is
>>less
>>A than the Hankook Kinergy.
>>A
>>[13]https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=BFGoodrich&t
ireModel
>>=
>>A Radial+T%2FA&partnum=95SR5RADTARWL2V3
>>A I'm just the messenger sharing some additional options.
>>A Cheers!
>>A Garth
>>A #4033
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