[DeTomaso] $13 a gasoline? NPC (warning: content may offend some readers)
Matt Wells
nwpantera at gmail.com
Tue Oct 27 18:04:33 EDT 2020
Is this what Facebook is like?
On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 12:04 PM audionut--- via DeTomaso <
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> Oh well-- Soon we are going to turn ourselves over to AI, eventually
> turning ourselves into cyborg robots and then none of this will matter
> anymore.
>
> Never mind the noise out there. Nobody knows what the hell they are
> talking about concerning the future.
>
> One thing is not in question though: Whatever happens, you can be
> damned sure it won't be good!
>
> Why do I say this? Simple. Human beings, the overwhelming dominating
> majority of us anyway, are completely nuts. Always have been, always
> will be.
>
> We are magnificent, silly beasts imagining that we know who and what we
> are. We do not. Not by a long shot. Modern society is a broken mess.
>
> (Not that there still isn't real beauty and courage to be found within
> us here and there).
>
> Madness can't create a shining future. Madness eventually winds up in
> a dark corner somewhere, poisoned by its' own filth.
>
>
>
> All past civilizations on earth have come and gone. This one will too.
> Don't get me wrong-- this is a colossal tragedy, but this is what we
> do.
>
> As computer coders say: Crap in, crap out.
>
> Soon our simmering, blind madness will boil over and daily life as we
> have known it will come to a slow, painful, sputtering halt. (is this
> not already happening?) Once we are all on our knees begging for
> relief, the worst of us will then step forward and "ride to the rescue"
> holding aloft grand plans that involve our complete, total and utter
> submission. No longer will any pretense to "liberty" or "human rights"
> be entertained as mandatory compliance will be "for the good of all".
> (sound familiar? of course it does-- we are being "trained",
> acclimated to what awaits us).
>
> It's a bust, freedom-loving gentlemen. A done deal. Get out there and
> enjoy being a (relatively) free human while you still can. Expensive
> gas? Count on it.
>
> (Okay Laurie Ferrari-- feel free to bash away at me!)
>
> ; )
>
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> On 10/27/2020 at 5:53 AM, "Will Kooiman" <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I have read a *lot* on climate change a from both sides.
> I donat understand all of the science, but I understand enough to
> follow what others have written.
> Itas refreshing to see one aclaima after another that is spot-on.
> I listed the claims once a to try to make sense of it all, and then
> I fact checked them. The list is really long. It included things
> like what has been posted already.
> Most of the doom-and-goom about CO2 was difficult or impossible to
> fact check. Like the claim that global warming is ahiddena in the
> depths of the ocean. How do you know? Do we have thermometers on
> the ocean floor?
> Some of it was correct. Man does have an impact on the
> environment. But the CO2 impact is like peeing on a fire. Our
> contribution to global warming is a fraction of a fraction. We do
> much more damage with dirty power plants, trash in the oceans, and
> by driving Chevys.
> From: George B <gkb1968 at hotmail.com>
> Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 1:48 AM
> To: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>, Matt Wells
> <nwpantera at gmail.com>, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>,
> "will.kooiman at gmail.com" <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> Cc: Detomaso List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] $13 a gasoline?
> Volcanic eruptions play a huge part in this. One large eruption (Mt
> Pinatubo) released more greenhouse depleting gasses than all cars
> ever made combined. There are constant eruptions around the world of
> various magnitudes.
> Even if you believe that earths temp is only changing because of man
> made influence, the argument doesn't make any sense at all.
> China was building brand new dirty coal powerplants every few weeks
> for decades. Its estimated they do more environmental damage in a
> day than the US does in a year. The air quality is so bad they had
> to shutdown 50% of their factories during the Olympics. Yet they
> took much of US manufacturing business.
> Mexico uses inefficient dirty coal plants that power a large part of
> Southern California's grid (at night when most of the electric cars
> are charged).
> The US uses well regulated scrubbed and catalyzed power plants and
> has efficient factories.
> If climate change was such a serious issue why would we be allowed
> to purchase goods and services from China (or any other gross
> polluting country)? Why hasn't anyone been allowed to build an
> electric power plant in California in the last 20yrs, but Mexico can
> power the grid? Why is it that only strong westernized countries
> need to limit recreation, freedoms and prosperity to help this
> cause?
> This climate change agenda doesn't seems to have much to do with
> climate change...
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
> of Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 7:00:56 PM
> To: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>; Matt Wells
> <nwpantera at gmail.com>; Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: Detomaso List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] $13 a gasoline?
> Wikipedia says there were 241 coal fired power plants in the US in
> 2019.
> Granted, Wikipedia isn't necessarily correct.
> I agree with your point, but 15 seems too low.
> i>>?On 10/26/20, 5:38 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Larry Stock"
> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
> Same goes for our dwindling 15 or so left Coal fired power plants
> with no more being built, compared to
> The EU has 468, and now building 27 more
> India has 589, now building 446 more
> China has 2363 and now building 1171 more
> The reality is;
> There are a total of 5615 Coal fired power plants in 8 countries, so
> shutting down our 15 power plants is going to save our planet,
> probably not going to be 0.00% to the -7 power of insifnificant.
> Larry
> i>>?On 10/26/20, 2:17 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Matt Wells"
> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> nwpantera at gmail.com> wrote:
> A What ties the global warming discussion with politics is pure
> economics and politicalA affiliation withA big industry.
> I agree and like I alluded to, the inaccurate perception of our old
> cars being a major contributor is lack of education.
> Matt
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 12:58 PM Julian Kift
> <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
> California has emitted over 90 million metric tons of CO2 related to
> wildfires in 2020 alone....
> Even when there's no wildfires I have been through the California
> farm
> belt when the farmers are burning rice paddy stubble and you can't
> see
> your hand in front of your face the smoke is so thick and yet
> perception is that classic cars are gross polluters, unfortunately
> you
> can't have a climate impact discussion that doesn't involve
> politics!
> Julian
> __________________________________________________________________
> From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
> behalf
> of Matt Wells <[3]nwpantera at gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 12:16 PM
> To: Ken Green <[4]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Detomaso List <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] $13 a gasoline?
> A
> It all works together Ken, including the fish with "no real value".
> Since this has morphed into a climate issue and not a political one
> I
> would
> like to add something to the discussion.
> As Terry noted facts and data will lead us to a better understanding
> of
> the
> powers at play here on our little blue rock.
> I recently watched an enlightening doc on Netflix called* "Kiss the
> Ground"*
> featuring Woody Harrelson.
> It explains how the farming methods of the past have caught up with
> us
> and
> contributes to excess Carbon being expelled to our atmosphere.
> Through education and better understanding of how we've arrived at
> this
> crisis point of human evolution we can hopefully help to reverse it.
> There is another program on Netflix I would recommend by David
> Attenborough
> called *"A Life on Our Planet"*.
> Somehow it helps me to personally deal with global warming anxiety
> by
> knowing exactly why we're screwed.
> I have to force myself to watch these types of shows as it angers me
> to
> no
> end.
> They also offer some hope of the action necessary that could
> possibly
> save
> us and the planet.
> I now realize that even though ICE emissions are a contributing
> factor
> to
> the destruction of our amazing biosphere they are not the only
> reason.
> Learn from unbiased sources and stay away from politically motivated
> opines!
> Terry,
> I did a search and found that the NASA program you mentioned is
> available
> to the public. Thanks for the heads up.
> It's on my watch list!
> Matt
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 10:25 AM Ken Green via DeTomaso <
> [6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> >A A A Certainly suspicious.
> >A A A But I wonder why it makes sense to dump fresh water into the
> Sacramento
> >A A A delta and then into the ocean to maintain the environment of
> a
> fish
> >A A A (the delta smelt) that appears headed to extinction, when the
> water
> >A A A could be used for agriculture that would reduce atmospheric
> CO2?A If
> >A A A global warming is such a big deal it seems like we should
> grow
> more
> >A A A vegetation not save fish with no real value?A A lot of what
> the
> >A A A government is doing just doesn't make much sense to me, so I
> can
> >A A A believe that pushing gas to ridiculous prices to satisfy
> >A A A environmentalists is not out of the question.
> >A A A Ken
> >
> >A A A On Monday, October 26, 2020, 10:03:52 AM PDT, Jeff Detrich
> >A A A <[7]jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> >A A A A A I assume this may be from an oil industry supported
> source,
> but seems
> >A A A A A AA A to have some basis.A A
> >A A A A A ____
> >A A A A A FYI, re:AA A CO2 CoalitionA A
> >A A A A A Climate change deniers.
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> >A A A A A On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 10:52 AM Ken Green via DeTomaso
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> >A A A A A A A AA A I assume this may be from an oil industry
> supported source,
> >A A A but
> >A A A A A A A seems
> >A A A A A A A AA A to have some basis.
> >A A A A A A A AA A [1]Gasoline Prices Under the Green New Deal
> Would
> Reach $13
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Is this what Facebook is like?
On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 12:04 PM audionut--- via DeTomaso
<[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
A A Oh well--A Soon we are going to turn ourselves over to AI,
eventually
A A turning ourselves into cyborg robots and then none of this will
matter
A A anymore.
A A Never mind the noise out there.A Nobody knows what the hell
they are
A A talking about concerning the future.
A A One thing is not in question though:A Whatever happens, you
can be
A A damned sure it won't be good!
A A Why do I say this?A Simple.A Human beings, the overwhelming
dominating
A A majority of us anyway, are completely nuts.A Always have been,
always
A A will be.
A A We are magnificent, silly beasts imagining that we know who and
what we
A A are.A We do not.A Not by a long shot.A Modern society is a
broken mess.
A A (Not that there still isn't real beauty and courage to be found
within
A A us here and there).
A A Madness can't create a shining future.A Madness eventually
winds up in
A A a dark corner somewhere, poisoned by its' own filth.
A A All past civilizations on earth have come and gone.A This one
will too.
A A Don't get me wrong--A this is a colossal tragedy, but this is
what we
A A do.
A A As computer coders say:A Crap in, crap out.
A A Soon our simmering, blind madness will boil over and daily life
as we
A A have known it will come to a slow, painful, sputtering halt.A
(is this
A A not already happening?)A Once we are all on our knees begging
for
A A relief, the worst of us will then step forward and "ride to the
rescue"
A A holding aloft grand plans that involve our complete, total and
utter
A A submission.A No longer will any pretense to "liberty" or
"human rights"
A A be entertained as mandatory compliance will be "for the good of
all".
A A (sound familiar? of course it does--A we are being "trained",
A A acclimated to what awaits us).
A A It's a bust, freedom-loving gentlemen.A A done deal.A Get out
there and
A A enjoy being a (relatively) free human while you still can.A
Expensive
A A gas?A Count on it.
A A (Okay Laurie Ferrari--A feel free to bash away at me!)
A A ; )
A A Sent using Hushmail
A A On 10/27/2020 at 5:53 AM, "Will Kooiman"
<[2]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
A A wrote:
A A A I have read a *lot* on climate change a from both sides.
A A A I donat understand all of the science, but I understand
enough to
A A A follow what others have written.
A A A Itas refreshing to see one aclaima after another that is
spot-on.
A A A I listed the claims once a to try to make sense of it all,
and then
A A A I fact checked them.A The list is really long.A It
included things
A A A like what has been posted already.
A A A Most of the doom-and-goom about CO2 was difficult or
impossible to
A A A fact check.A Like the claim that global warming is ahiddena
in the
A A A depths of the ocean.A How do you know?A Do we have
thermometers on
A A A the ocean floor?
A A A Some of it was correct.A Man does have an impact on the
A A A environment.A But the CO2 impact is like peeing on a
fire.A Our
A A A contribution to global warming is a fraction of a
fraction.A We do
A A A much more damage with dirty power plants, trash in the
oceans, and
A A A by driving Chevys.
A A A From: George B <[3]gkb1968 at hotmail.com>
A A A Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 1:48 AM
A A A To: Larry Stock <[4]larrys at panteraparts.com>, Matt Wells
A A A <[5]nwpantera at gmail.com>, Julian Kift
<[6]julian_kift at hotmail.com>,
A A A "[7]will.kooiman at gmail.com" <[8]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
A A A Cc: Detomaso List <[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] $13 a gasoline?
A A A Volcanic eruptions play a huge part in this. One large
eruption (Mt
A A A Pinatubo) released more greenhouse depleting gasses than all
cars
A A A ever made combined. There are constant eruptions around the
world of
A A A various magnitudes.
A A A Even if you believe that earths temp is only changing
because of man
A A A made influence, the argument doesn't make any sense at all.
A A A China was building brand new dirty coal powerplants every
few weeks
A A A for decades. Its estimated they do more environmental damage
in a
A A A day than the US does in a year. The air quality is so bad
they had
A A A to shutdown 50% of their factories during the Olympics. Yet
they
A A A took much of US manufacturing business.
A A A Mexico uses inefficient dirty coal plants that power a large
part of
A A A Southern California's grid (at night when most of the
electric cars
A A A are charged).
A A A The US uses well regulated scrubbed and catalyzed power
plants and
A A A has efficient factories.
A A A If climate change was such a serious issue why would we be
allowed
A A A to purchase goods and services from China (or any other
gross
A A A polluting country)? Why hasn't anyone been allowed to build
an
A A A electric power plant in California in the last 20yrs, but
Mexico can
A A A power the grid? Why is it that only strong westernized
countries
A A A need to limit recreation, freedoms and prosperity to help
this
A A A cause?
A A A This climate change agenda doesn't seems to have much to do
with
A A A climate change...
A A A Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
A A A Get Outlook for Android
A A A From: DeTomaso
<[10]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
A A A of Will Kooiman <[11]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
A A A Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 7:00:56 PM
A A A To: Larry Stock <[12]larrys at panteraparts.com>; Matt Wells
A A A <[13]nwpantera at gmail.com>; Julian Kift
<[14]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
A A A Cc: Detomaso List <[15]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] $13 a gasoline?
A A A Wikipedia says there were 241 coal fired power plants in the
US in
A A A 2019.
A A A Granted, Wikipedia isn't necessarily correct.
A A A I agree with your point, but 15 seems too low.
A A A i>>?On 10/26/20, 5:38 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Larry
Stock"
A A A <[16]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
A A A [17]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
A A A Same goes for our dwindling 15 or so left Coal fired power
plants
A A A with no more being built, compared to
A A A The EU has 468, and now building 27 more
A A A India has 589, now building 446 more
A A A China has 2363 and now building 1171 more
A A A The reality is;
A A A There are a total of 5615 Coal fired power plants in 8
countries, so
A A A shutting down our 15 power plants is going to save our
planet,
A A A probably not going to be 0.00% to the -7 power of
insifnificant.
A A A Larry
A A A i>>?On 10/26/20, 2:17 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Matt Wells"
A A A <[18]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
A A A [19]nwpantera at gmail.com> wrote:
A A A A What ties the global warming discussion with politics is
pure
A A A economics and politicalA affiliation withA big industry.
A A A I agree and like I alluded to, the inaccurate perception of
our old
A A A cars being a major contributor is lack of education.
A A A Matt
A A A On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 12:58 PM Julian Kift
A A A <[1][20]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
A A A California has emitted over 90 million metric tons of CO2
related to
A A A wildfires in 2020 alone....
A A A Even when there's no wildfires I have been through the
California
A A A farm
A A A belt when the farmers are burning rice paddy stubble and you
can't
A A A see
A A A your hand in front of your face the smoke is so thick and
yet
A A A perception is that classic cars are gross polluters,
unfortunately
A A A you
A A A can't have a climate impact discussion that doesn't involve
A A A politics!
A A A Julian
A A
A __________________________________________________________________
A A A From: DeTomaso
<[2][21]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
A A A behalf
A A A of Matt Wells <[3][22]nwpantera at gmail.com>
A A A Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 12:16 PM
A A A To: Ken Green <[4][23]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
A A A Cc: Detomaso List <[5][24]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] $13 a gasoline?
A A A A
A A A It all works together Ken, including the fish with "no real
value".
A A A Since this has morphed into a climate issue and not a
political one
A A A I
A A A would
A A A like to add something to the discussion.
A A A As Terry noted facts and data will lead us to a better
understanding
A A A of
A A A the
A A A powers at play here on our little blue rock.
A A A I recently watched an enlightening doc on Netflix called*
"Kiss the
A A A Ground"*
A A A featuring Woody Harrelson.
A A A It explains how the farming methods of the past have caught
up with
A A A us
A A A and
A A A contributes to excess Carbon being expelled to our
atmosphere.
A A A Through education and better understanding of how we've
arrived at
A A A this
A A A crisis point of human evolution we can hopefully help to
reverse it.
A A A There is another program on Netflix I would recommend by
David
A A A Attenborough
A A A called *"A Life on Our Planet"*.
A A A Somehow it helps me to personally deal with global warming
anxiety
A A A by
A A A knowing exactly why we're screwed.
A A A I have to force myself to watch these types of shows as it
angers me
A A A to
A A A no
A A A end.
A A A They also offer some hope of the action necessary that could
A A A possibly
A A A save
A A A us and the planet.
A A A I now realize that even though ICE emissions are a
contributing
A A A factor
A A A to
A A A the destruction of our amazing biosphere they are not the
only
A A A reason.
A A A Learn from unbiased sources and stay away from politically
motivated
A A A opines!
A A A Terry,
A A A I did a search and found that the NASA program you mentioned
is
A A A available
A A A to the public. Thanks for the heads up.
A A A It's on my watch list!
A A A Matt
A A A On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 10:25 AM Ken Green via DeTomaso <
A A A [6][25]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
A A A >A A A Certainly suspicious.
A A A >A A A But I wonder why it makes sense to dump fresh water
into the
A A A Sacramento
A A A >A A A delta and then into the ocean to maintain the
environment of
A A A a
A A A fish
A A A >A A A (the delta smelt) that appears headed to extinction,
when the
A A A water
A A A >A A A could be used for agriculture that would reduce
atmospheric
A A A CO2?A If
A A A >A A A global warming is such a big deal it seems like we
should
A A A grow
A A A more
A A A >A A A vegetation not save fish with no real value?A A lot
of what
A A A the
A A A >A A A government is doing just doesn't make much sense to
me, so I
A A A can
A A A >A A A believe that pushing gas to ridiculous prices to
satisfy
A A A >A A A environmentalists is not out of the question.
A A A >A A A Ken
A A A >
A A A >A A A On Monday, October 26, 2020, 10:03:52 AM PDT, Jeff
Detrich
A A A >A A A <[7][26]jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
A A A >A A A A A I assume this may be from an oil industry
supported
A A A source,
A A A but seems
A A A >A A A A A AA A to have some basis.A A
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A A A >A A A A A FYI, re:AA A CO2 CoalitionA A
A A A >A A A A A Climate change deniers.
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A A A >A A A A A On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 10:52 AM Ken Green via
DeTomaso
A A A >A A A A A <[4][4][11][30]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
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A A A >A A A A A A A AA A I assume this may be from an oil
industry
A A A supported source,
A A A >A A A but
A A A >A A A A A A A seems
A A A >A A A A A A A AA A to have some basis.
A A A >A A A A A A A AA A [1]Gasoline Prices Under the Green New
Deal
A A A Would
A A A Reach $13
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A A A >A A A A A A A Gallon
A A A >A A A A A A A AA AA A Gasoline Prices Under the Green New
Deal
A A A Would Reach $13
A A A >A A A per
A A A >A A A A A A A Gallon
A A A >A A A A A A A AA AA Many of the Democrats running for
President in
A A A 2020 support
A A A >A A A A A A A the Green
A A A >A A A A A A A AA AA AA AA AA AA AA AA New Deal that was
A A A introduced by
A A A >A A A A A A A Representa...
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