[DeTomaso] $13 a gasoline?
Larry Stock
larrys at panteraparts.com
Mon Oct 26 20:26:17 EDT 2020
US Coal Fired powerplants Retirements in 2019 reached 16GW, second only to 2015, and closures have averaged 14GW a year during Trump’s tenure to date.
China is the world’s largest CO2 emitter and uses half the coal consumed each year, so its future path is disproportionately important for global efforts to tackle climate change.
On 10/26/20, 5:01 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Bill Lewis" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote:
Several points: 1. I helped a friend write a college term paper in
the mid 1990's, and our unbiased consensus was that Global Warming was
not true. I don't know all the facts today, but I have hope for Mother
Earth. 2. We have some land in Texas that was leased to a coal-mining
company that had been actively mining since the 70's. Our land was next
to be mined, but the company bellied-up - we did not get royalties in
the six-figures. They had machinery on our land and had just bulldozed
our barn and part of an old home when the order came to quit! 3. I
constantly tell folks that it is time for a Common-Sense 3rd party in
America. I truly support parts of both (all three) parties. I have
friends on both sides, and they are adamant in their beliefs. 4.
After viewing all the political commercials, I am convinced that all
politicians are crooks, liars, cheats, and...! Back-to-back
commercials of opponents saying, "They lied!" "They lied!"
----Bill
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 11:00 PM
To: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>; Matt Wells
<nwpantera at gmail.com>; Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: Detomaso List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] $13 a gasoline?
Wikipedia says there were 241 coal fired power plants in the US in
2019.
Granted, Wikipedia isn't necessarily correct.
I agree with your point, but 15 seems too low.
On 10/26/20, 5:38 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Larry Stock"
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
Same goes for our dwindling 15 or so left Coal fired power plants
with no more being built, compared to
The EU has 468, and now building 27 more
India has 589, now building 446 more
China has 2363 and now building 1171 more
The reality is;
There are a total of 5615 Coal fired power plants in 8 countries,
so shutting down our 15 power plants is going to save our planet,
probably not going to be 0.00% to the -7 power of insifnificant.
Larry
On 10/26/20, 2:17 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Matt Wells"
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
nwpantera at gmail.com> wrote:
A What ties the global warming discussion with politics is
pure
economics and politicalA affiliation withA big industry.
I agree and like I alluded to, the inaccurate perception of
our old
cars being a major contributor is lack of education.
Matt
On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 12:58 PM Julian Kift
<[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
California has emitted over 90 million metric tons of CO2
related to
wildfires in 2020 alone....
Even when there's no wildfires I have been through the
California farm
belt when the farmers are burning rice paddy stubble and you
can't see
your hand in front of your face the smoke is so thick and
yet
perception is that classic cars are gross polluters,
unfortunately you
can't have a climate impact discussion that doesn't involve
politics!
Julian
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To: Ken Green <[4]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Cc: Detomaso List <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] $13 a gasoline?
A
It all works together Ken, including the fish with "no real
value".
Since this has morphed into a climate issue and not a
political one I
would
like to add something to the discussion.
As Terry noted facts and data will lead us to a better
understanding of
the
powers at play here on our little blue rock.
I recently watched an enlightening doc on Netflix called*
"Kiss the
Ground"*
featuring Woody Harrelson.
It explains how the farming methods of the past have caught
up with us
and
contributes to excess Carbon being expelled to our
atmosphere.
Through education and better understanding of how we've
arrived at this
crisis point of human evolution we can hopefully help to
reverse it.
There is another program on Netflix I would recommend by
David
Attenborough
called *"A Life on Our Planet"*.
Somehow it helps me to personally deal with global warming
anxiety by
knowing exactly why we're screwed.
I have to force myself to watch these types of shows as it
angers me to
no
end.
They also offer some hope of the action necessary that could
possibly
save
us and the planet.
I now realize that even though ICE emissions are a
contributing factor
to
the destruction of our amazing biosphere they are not the
only reason.
Learn from unbiased sources and stay away from politically
motivated
opines!
Terry,
I did a search and found that the NASA program you mentioned
is
available
to the public. Thanks for the heads up.
It's on my watch list!
Matt
On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 10:25 AM Ken Green via DeTomaso <
[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>A A A Certainly suspicious.
>A A A But I wonder why it makes sense to dump fresh water
into the
Sacramento
>A A A delta and then into the ocean to maintain the
environment of a
fish
>A A A (the delta smelt) that appears headed to extinction,
when the
water
>A A A could be used for agriculture that would reduce
atmospheric
CO2?A If
>A A A global warming is such a big deal it seems like we
should grow
more
>A A A vegetation not save fish with no real value?A A lot
of what
the
>A A A government is doing just doesn't make much sense to
me, so I
can
>A A A believe that pushing gas to ridiculous prices to
satisfy
>A A A environmentalists is not out of the question.
>A A A Ken
>
>A A A On Monday, October 26, 2020, 10:03:52 AM PDT, Jeff
Detrich
>A A A <[7]jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
>A A A A A I assume this may be from an oil industry
supported source,
but seems
>A A A A A AA A to have some basis.A A
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>A A A A A A A AA A I assume this may be from an oil
industry
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>A A A A A A A AA A [1]Gasoline Prices Under the Green New
Deal Would
Reach $13
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