[DeTomaso] NPC Harbor Freight jack stands recall
Mike & Elizabeth
mbefthomas2 at gmail.com
Thu May 21 16:15:06 EDT 2020
No, not so. There are support blocks that come with the QJ - four thick and
four thin. There are pockets in the QJ that the blocks rest in, and the
front thin blocks are right under the front jacking points, the rear, two
thick on each side to get as far back as possible, are under the frame just
aft of the rear/side jacking point, just where the frame angles in towards
the motor mounts. Attached are a couple of shots from the first time I set
the car up. - Mike
From: Mike Reilly <reillyms at live.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 11:24 AM
To: Mike & Elizabeth <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>; 'Julian Kift'
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Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] NPC Harbor Freight jack stands recall
Mike, it looks like the QuickJack is using the rocker panel seams to support
the Pantera. I didn't think these were appropriate support/jacking points
on a Pantera. Ideally it's the engine mount frame sections for the rear.
Also, it looks like you'd want the QuickJack more toward the rear of the car
due to the weight distro of the Pantera. Did you figure out a way to deal
with this that's not apparent in the photos? Nice job stripping the car by
the way : ) Mike R.
From: Mike <mailto:mbefthomas2 at gmail.com> & Elizabeth
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:46 AM
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Harbor Freight jack stands recall
I can see where a scissor lift would have its' advantages, but I've had a
QuickJack setup for over a year and couldn't be happier. They are a bit
heavy, true, but when you lift from one end, the rollers on the other make
it quite easy to move them around, and there is nothing in the way on the
garage floor when the car is out of the garage, unlike a scissor lift with
ramps on either side. I have the pump and hoses stored in a rolling cart in
the garage (everything I can I've put wheels or castors on in my garage) and
it takes all of 5 minutes to hook everything up and have the car nearly two
feet off the floor. Per their recommendations, I do brace either end with a
fixed jackstand if I plan to be under the car, but once you have the car
lifted, you can disconnect the hydraulic hoses and put them away so nothing
is left to trip over.
Mike Thomas
Panteras Northwest
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com <mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 7:57 AM
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Harbor Freight jack stands recall
Quickjack is another Chinese product (under the Bendpak name), I had heard
despite looking so, they are not that portable being cumbersome and heavy.
Why not get a much more versatile full on scissor lift for similar money? I
have one and made a couple full length ramps to be able to clear the lift
with the race car, but now I can also just park any car over it, so no loss
of garage space.
Julian
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Harbor Freight jack stands recall
Time to go with a QuickJack system.
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Harbor Freight jack stands recall
you know I would like to buy American not Chinese but it seems we currently
do not have a choice.
I have bought American name brand and it is labeled made in China.
So I agree to buy the best Jack Stand.
The question is who makes American quality not don't buy Harbor Freight.
Rich
On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 5:26 PM Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com
<mailto:stevelisa at patentit.com> > wrote:
> Nice of you to remind everyone.A We checked right away after getting
> the HF email, and 8 of our race team jacks were on the recall list, and
> have already been returned.A It is scary to think how many of our crew
> and weekend volunteers have been under cars with those jackA stands.A
> Thankfully, our main endurance sports car now has air jacks -- with the
> safety inserts for when crew are under the car.A Not only is it
> faster, but it is much safer.
> Your advise is very, very sound.A We train everyone to never be under
> the car when things are rushed, and never to be under a car with less
> than all four jackstands solidly in place.A Even without a jack
> failure, we have had the cars shift when the fueler pushes on the rear
> and lose a jack stand.A If the other three weren't there, it could
> have fallen on crew.A A
> Thanks for the email.A A
> Regards,A
> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
> The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
> Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA <mailto:SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA>
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>
> Not the same stand, but just show anything can break so have a
> backup (my failure would have been an OSHA near miss)
> As for the pawl type, don't they have provisions for a thru pin at
> several heights?A (maybe I'm thinking of the tube type)
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> On Behalf Of Jeff Detrich
> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 13:27 PM
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> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC Harbor Freight jack stands recall
> FYI - Jeff6559
> The Harbor Freight jack stands that we've all bought, borrowed or
> seen in our friends' garages are being recalled due to a risk of
> collapsing under load. Go check yours immediately.
> In a recall filed with the NHTSA on March 20 of this year, Harbor
> Freight explains that certain 6-ton jack stands have the potential
> to disengage their support pawl under shifting weight, causing the
> stand to drop suddenly. A second recall, filed May 3, extends the
> recall to 3-ton jack stands. The defect is attributed to aging
> tooling at the factory that produced the jack stands.
> The recall document says that the problem could affect more than
> 450,000 6-ton jack stands produced between 2013 and 2019 and nearly
> 1.3 million 3-ton jack stands produced between 2012 and 2020. These
> jack stands were sold under the Pittsburg brand name, and can be
> identified by item numbers
> 56371 or 61196 on 3-ton models, and 61197 on 6-ton models.
> Harbor Freight urges anybody in possession of affected jack stands
> to return them to the store in exchange for a gift card equal to the
> price of the stands. Any unsold jack stands covered by the recall
> have been removed from stores. Check on your buddies and spread the
> word aroundathese jack stands are ubiquitous, and a failure like
> this could be fatal.
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No, not so. There are support blocks that come with the QJ - four
thick and four thin. There are pockets in the QJ that the blocks rest
in, and the front thin blocks are right under the front jacking points,
the rear, two thick on each side to get as far back as possible, are
under the frame just aft of the rear/side jacking point, just where the
frame angles in towards the motor mounts. Attached are a couple of
shots from the first time I set the car up. - Mike
From: Mike Reilly <reillyms at live.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 11:24 AM
To: Mike & Elizabeth <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>; 'Julian Kift'
<julian_kift at hotmail.com>; 'Rich Hoppe' <richbhoppe at gmail.com>; 'Steve
Lisa' <stevelisa at patentit.com>
Cc: 'Detomaso List Email' <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] NPC Harbor Freight jack stands recall
Mike, it looks like the QuickJack is using the rocker panel seams to
support the Pantera. I didn't think these were appropriate
support/jacking points on a Pantera. Ideally it's the engine mount
frame sections for the rear. Also, it looks like you'd want the
QuickJack more toward the rear of the car due to the weight distro of
the Pantera. Did you figure out a way to deal with this that's not
apparent in the photos? Nice job stripping the car by the way : )
Mike R.
From: [1]Mike & Elizabeth
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:46 AM
To: [2]'Julian Kift'; [3]'Rich Hoppe'; [4]'Steve Lisa'
Cc: [5]'Detomaso List Email'
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Harbor Freight jack stands recall
I can see where a scissor lift would have its' advantages, but I've had
a
QuickJack setup for over a year and couldn't be happier. They are a
bit
heavy, true, but when you lift from one end, the rollers on the other
make
it quite easy to move them around, and there is nothing in the way on
the
garage floor when the car is out of the garage, unlike a scissor lift
with
ramps on either side. I have the pump and hoses stored in a rolling
cart in
the garage (everything I can I've put wheels or castors on in my
garage) and
it takes all of 5 minutes to hook everything up and have the car nearly
two
feet off the floor. Per their recommendations, I do brace either end
with a
fixed jackstand if I plan to be under the car, but once you have the
car
lifted, you can disconnect the hydraulic hoses and put them away so
nothing
is left to trip over.
Mike Thomas
Panteras Northwest
From: Julian Kift <[6]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 7:57 AM
To: Mike & Elizabeth <[7]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>; 'Rich Hoppe'
<[8]richbhoppe at gmail.com>; 'Steve Lisa' <[9]stevelisa at patentit.com>
Cc: 'Detomaso List Email' <[10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Harbor Freight jack stands recall
Quickjack is another Chinese product (under the Bendpak name), I had
heard
despite looking so, they are not that portable being cumbersome and
heavy.
Why not get a much more versatile full on scissor lift for similar
money? I
have one and made a couple full length ramps to be able to clear the
lift
with the race car, but now I can also just park any car over it, so no
loss
of garage space.
Julian
_____
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<[11]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> > on behalf of
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Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 7:32 AM
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<[13]mailto:richbhoppe at gmail.com> >;
'Steve Lisa' <stevelisa at patentit.com
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Harbor Freight jack stands recall
Time to go with a QuickJack system.
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<[16]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> > On Behalf Of
Rich Hoppe
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Harbor Freight jack stands recall
you know I would like to buy American not Chinese but it seems we
currently
do not have a choice.
I have bought American name brand and it is labeled made in China.
So I agree to buy the best Jack Stand.
The question is who makes American quality not don't buy Harbor
Freight.
Rich
On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 5:26 PM Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com
<[19]mailto:stevelisa at patentit.com> > wrote:
> Nice of you to remind everyone.A We checked right away after
getting
> the HF email, and 8 of our race team jacks were on the recall
list, and
> have already been returned.A It is scary to think how many of our
crew
> and weekend volunteers have been under cars with those jackA
stands.A
> Thankfully, our main endurance sports car now has air jacks --
with the
> safety inserts for when crew are under the car.A Not only is it
> faster, but it is much safer.
> Your advise is very, very sound.A We train everyone to never be
under
> the car when things are rushed, and never to be under a car with
less
> than all four jackstands solidly in place.A Even without a jack
> failure, we have had the cars shift when the fueler pushes on the
rear
> and lose a jack stand.A If the other three weren't there, it
could
> have fallen on crew.A A
> Thanks for the email.A A
> Regards,A
> Steven G. Lisa, Esq.
> The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC
> Email: [20]SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA
<[21]mailto:SteveLisa at PatentIt.comA>
> Direct: 480-442-0297
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> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 3:07 PM Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
> <[2][24]byrdjf at embarqmail.com <[25]mailto:byrdjf at embarqmail.com> >
wrote:
>
> Not the same stand, but just show anything can break so have a
> backup (my failure would have been an OSHA near miss)
> As for the pawl type, don't they have provisions for a thru pin
at
> several heights?A (maybe I'm thinking of the tube type)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso
[[26]mailto:[3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> On Behalf Of Jeff Detrich
> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 13:27 PM
> To: [4][27]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
<[28]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC Harbor Freight jack stands recall
> FYI - Jeff6559
> The Harbor Freight jack stands that we've all bought, borrowed
or
> seen in our friends' garages are being recalled due to a risk of
> collapsing under load. Go check yours immediately.
> In a recall filed with the NHTSA on March 20 of this year,
Harbor
> Freight explains that certain 6-ton jack stands have the
potential
> to disengage their support pawl under shifting weight, causing
the
> stand to drop suddenly. A second recall, filed May 3, extends
the
> recall to 3-ton jack stands. The defect is attributed to aging
> tooling at the factory that produced the jack stands.
> The recall document says that the problem could affect more than
> 450,000 6-ton jack stands produced between 2013 and 2019 and
nearly
> 1.3 million 3-ton jack stands produced between 2012 and 2020.
These
> jack stands were sold under the Pittsburg brand name, and can be
> identified by item numbers
> 56371 or 61196 on 3-ton models, and 61197 on 6-ton models.
> Harbor Freight urges anybody in possession of affected jack
stands
> to return them to the store in exchange for a gift card equal to
the
> price of the stands. Any unsold jack stands covered by the
recall
> have been removed from stores. Check on your buddies and spread
the
> word aroundathese jack stands are ubiquitous, and a failure like
> this could be fatal.
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