[DeTomaso] [EXTERNAL] Re: Who in LA has the back story on this Pantera?
Ken Green
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Sun Jun 14 12:27:18 EDT 2020
I think virtually all mid engine, front radiator, race cars vent the radiator through the hood. Not the little grills, but something more serious. My recollection is that Goran (hemi pantera) said this car was stable at 200.
On Sunday, June 14, 2020, 8:21:50 AM PDT, Himes, Terry (US 397C) via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
I agree with the air-dam but never pulled the trigger to install one.
I can give a first-hand testimonial concerning the lap and shoulder seat belts. They
saved my life when I rolled my 944 Porsche in Rosarito, Mexico. My Porsche looked
the same as Art's. Pancaked roof. 4-beer story. (think "Mexico")
You definitely want the capability of being able to lay down in that situation.
The good news is, I bought my Pantera because of it. #7104
Terry
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stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
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On 6/13/20, 5:13 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
AJ,
Close.
Art was wide awake in broad daylight, zorching through the Nevada desert near the Utah border, trying to go as fast as possible. Hand-held GPS units were brand new and he was already well into the 170s in his car which was the LAST Pre-L model, #4268. (See pics in the registry).
Art didn’t believe in aero, and got a bit of a rush from front-end lift. At the fun rally several people tried to convince him of the need for some sort of air dam but he laughed off the idea. He said he liked the lightness of the steering above 150!
Some short time later he was zooming along, just enjoying himself. He pulled into a convenience store at a crossroads, then set out heading for Utah. There was a pretty stiff crosswind from the left.
He came upon a slight rise in the road, unnoticeable at normal speed but a Big Deal at over 170 mph. Air got under the car and lifted it up and it moved sideways about four feet, putting the right wheels into the dirt shoulder. He tried to correct and the car snapped sideways and flipped onto its roof, skidding along across the road to and off the left side. It then caught dirt and flipped into the air, landing on one rear corner with the nose straight up. It flipped again and landed on the other rear corner, neatly bending the car into a V shape from the doors back, then kept flipping and rolling innumerable times.
He eventually landed on the roof which completely collapsed. He said if he had been wearing harnesses he would have been killed, but because he was only wearing stock belts, he slipped out of the shoulder harness during the wreck and got bent sideways over the center console, then got smashed between the underside of the roof and the console. I think the car ultimately ended up sitting right side up, although several corners of the suspension had been ripped off and flung through the desert.
Meanwhile, a family had seen him leave the convenience store, and followed a few minutes later. Up the road, they started spotting clothes and personal effects scattered all over the road. They slowed down to navigate past all the junk when one spotted wreckage WAY out in the desert. They stopped to investigate and naturally assumed that whoever was inside was dead beyond any doubt. But Art moaned. So they leapt into action and a helicopter was dispatched from Utah. First responders cut him out of the car and he was in shockingly good condition, all things considered. He had broken ribs and a punctured lung from the console, and a few scratches. He flew to the hospital, they patched him up and he was released only a few short days later.
He subsequently bought another Pantera, a red L-Model, and reportedly drove that one much more sedately!
He is a retired Long Beach firefighter, and a hell of a nice guy! Sadly I haven’t seen or heard from him in many years now.
So that’s the story of 4268. I don’t know about the one in the junkyard though. Before my time!
Mike
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> On Jun 13, 2020, at 15:44, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> I don't think it's Art's.A I don't believe all the paint would be gone
> by now and that front tire, unless replaced after the wreck is way old.
>
> Art rolled his Pantera at high speed one night after he (believes) he
> fell asleep. This was some 10 years ago?
>
> Someone will link to photos shortly I'm sure.
>
> AsaA Jay
>
> Asa Jay Laughton, W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, retired
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> On Jun 13, 2020, at 15:21, Charles Engles <[1]cengles at cox.net> wrote:
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> Dear Forest,
> I seem to recall the name, but given the condition of the wreckage
> , it begs the questions of who is Art and what happened?
> Curious, Chuck Engles
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> I would guess that was Art Stevens car.
> On Saturday, June 13, 2020, 01:56:20 PM PDT, Rob DuMoulin <rob at dumoulins.net
>> wrote:
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> Totaled? Yup.
> [1][2]https://www.automobilemag.com/news/wrecked-exotic-cars-de-tomaso-pan
> tera-exotic-car-wrecking-yard-los-angeles-photos-gallery/
> References
> 1. [3]https://www.automobilemag.com/news/wrecked-exotic-cars-de-tomaso-pantera
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I think virtually all mid engine, front radiator, race cars vent the
radiator through the hood. Not the little grills, but something more
serious. My recollection is that Goran (hemi pantera) said this car
was stable at 200.
Inline image
On Sunday, June 14, 2020, 8:21:50 AM PDT, Himes, Terry (US 397C) via
DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
I agree with the air-dam but never pulled the trigger to install one.
I can give a first-hand testimonial concerning the lap and shoulder
seat belts. They
saved my life when I rolled my 944 Porsche in Rosarito, Mexico. My
Porsche looked
the same as Art's. Pancaked roof. 4-beer story. (think "Mexico")
You definitely want the capability of being able to lay down in that
situation.
The good news is, I bought my Pantera because of it. #7104
Terry
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Deep Space Exploration a Mission Operations
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Europa Lander Science Support Team
TGO Sequence Lead
MEX Sequence Lead
Odyssey Sequence Team
Spitzer Space Telescope Data Team
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
[1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
i>>?On 6/13/20, 5:13 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso"
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[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
AJ,
Close.
Art was wide awake in broad daylight, zorching through the Nevada
desert near the Utah border, trying to go as fast as possible.
Hand-held GPS units were brand new and he was already well into the
170s in his car which was the LAST Pre-L model, #4268. (See pics in the
registry).
Art didnat believe in aero, and got a bit of a rush from front-end
lift. At the fun rally several people tried to convince him of the need
for some sort of air dam but he laughed off the idea. He said he liked
the lightness of the steering above 150!
Some short time later he was zooming along, just enjoying himself.
He pulled into a convenience store at a crossroads, then set out
heading for Utah. There was a pretty stiff crosswind from the left.
He came upon a slight rise in the road, unnoticeable at normal
speed but a Big Deal at over 170 mph. Air got under the car and lifted
it up and it moved sideways about four feet, putting the right wheels
into the dirt shoulder. He tried to correct and the car snapped
sideways and flipped onto its roof, skidding along across the road to
and off the left side. It then caught dirt and flipped into the air,
landing on one rear corner with the nose straight up. It flipped again
and landed on the other rear corner, neatly bending the car into a V
shape from the doors back, then kept flipping and rolling innumerable
times.
He eventually landed on the roof which completely collapsed. He
said if he had been wearing harnesses he would have been killed, but
because he was only wearing stock belts, he slipped out of the shoulder
harness during the wreck and got bent sideways over the center console,
then got smashed between the underside of the roof and the console. I
think the car ultimately ended up sitting right side up, although
several corners of the suspension had been ripped off and flung through
the desert.
Meanwhile, a family had seen him leave the convenience store, and
followed a few minutes later. Up the road, they started spotting
clothes and personal effects scattered all over the road. They slowed
down to navigate past all the junk when one spotted wreckage WAY out in
the desert. They stopped to investigate and naturally assumed that
whoever was inside was dead beyond any doubt. But Art moaned. So they
leapt into action and a helicopter was dispatched from Utah. First
responders cut him out of the car and he was in shockingly good
condition, all things considered. He had broken ribs and a punctured
lung from the console, and a few scratches. He flew to the hospital,
they patched him up and he was released only a few short days later.
He subsequently bought another Pantera, a red L-Model, and
reportedly drove that one much more sedately!
He is a retired Long Beach firefighter, and a hell of a nice guy!
Sadly I havenat seen or heard from him in many years now.
So thatas the story of 4268. I donat know about the one in the
junkyard though. Before my time!
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On Jun 13, 2020, at 15:44, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso
<[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> I don't think it's Art's.A I don't believe all the paint
would be gone
> by now and that front tire, unless replaced after the wreck is
way old.
>
> Art rolled his Pantera at high speed one night after he
(believes) he
> fell asleep. This was some 10 years ago?
>
> Someone will link to photos shortly I'm sure.
>
> AsaA Jay
>
> Asa Jay Laughton, W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, retired
>
> Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks
>
> On Jun 13, 2020, at 15:21, Charles Engles
<[1][5]cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>
> Dear Forest,
> I seem to recall the name, but given the condition
of the wreckage
> , it begs the questions of who is Art and what happened?
> Curious, Chuck Engles
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso
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> rest Goodhart
> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 4:37 PM
> To: P - Mail List; Rob DuMoulin
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Who in LA has the back story on this
Pantera?
> I would guess that was Art Stevens car.
> On Saturday, June 13, 2020, 01:56:20 PM PDT, Rob DuMoulin
<[7]rob at dumoulins.net
>> wrote:
>
> Totaled? Yup.
>
[1][2][8]https://www.automobilemag.com/news/wrecked-exotic-cars-de-toma
so-pan
> tera-exotic-car-wrecking-yard-los-angeles-photos-gallery/
> References
> 1.
[3][9]https://www.automobilemag.com/news/wrecked-exotic-cars-de-tomaso-
pantera
> -exotic-car-wrecking-yard-los-angeles-photos-gallery/
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