[DeTomaso] Paint code for the Argent Silver used on the Campy wheels
Vinh Ly
vinh.d.ly at gmail.com
Sun Jun 7 16:49:57 EDT 2020
Mike,
I found the following old post from Garth Rodericks detailing his experience:
> Ford TSB, Bulletin #11, Article 92.
> Service Paint - Magnesium Wheels Color: Argent Silver
> Ditzler Part No.: DX8555
> HOWEVER, when I first restored my wheels, I couldn't find that paint
> from any local supplier - it's an obsolete number with no current cross
> reference. However, I've subsequently been told that the old Ditzler
> color code DX8555 cross references to a new color code: DAR33772 Silver
> Poly.
> Note: The following info is from a Chrysler board as they use the same
> paint code for various parts. The Light Textured Argent, part number
> DX 8555, is obsolete. Medium Textured Argent, part number DNA 8933, can
> sometimes be found at larger, older Ditzler dealers. Last used in the
> mid 1970's, it is now all but obsolete. Older Ditzler dealers that have
> remaining stock can mix this paint for you, but it can also be mixed
> from currently available paints. Here's how...
>
> LIGHT ARGENT TEXTURED
> Ingredients for 1 pint (double for quart)
> 1/2 ounce DX 204 - Radiance Silver
> 1/2 ounce DDL 8568 - Non Smudge Aluminum/aluminum base
> 3 1/2 ounces DCA 468 High Performance Clear
> Add 4 ounces of top grade lacquer thinner with drying time according to
> temperature. Mix thoroughly and pour in 1 pint touch up gun. Use 10
> clean 1/4" ball bearings in paint cup to keep the paint mixed. Use
> three light coats over an existing finish or four to six coats over
> unfinished parts. This paint runs VERY easily, allow 5-10 minutes
> between coats.
>
> MEDIUM ARGENT TEXTURED
> The steps are exactly as above, but add black lacquer to darken. Start
> with six drops per pint and stir thoroughly, then spray a sample to
> compare to the original finish. Add a drop at a time until you achieve
> the correct tint. Spray these paints at 55-60 lbs. keeping the gun
> 18-30 inches from the surface. Frequently agitate the mixture to
> maintain uniform consistency because the Radiance Silver is heavy and
> will settle out quickly. Also, Year One sells part #QP323, which is
> Chrysler rally wheel paint, and part #QP8575, which is the textured
> light argent silver paint used on Chrysler grilles and rally wheel
> center caps. Both are sold in quart cans.
>
> Plastikote Spray Paint
> Paint A fellow club member used Plasti-Kote "1001 Bright Silver Metal"
> in an 11 oz. spray can and reports that it was a good match, and an
> economical option for repainting original Campys! The label on the can
> said "Plasti-Kote Body Shop Paint, for Painting Doors, Fenders, Hoods
> and Other Large Panels on Cars, Trucks & Vans". This paint seems to be
> very forgiving when it comes to runs and sags, and giving a run a
> little more spray seems to make it lay down smooth.
> Technique: You need about 60 inches of 6 inch wide aluminum flashing -
> comes in a roll at your local home improvement store. Unroll the
> flashing and form a ring that just fits outside the wheel rim and
> snugly down onto the tire. The wheel needs to be off the car and laying
> flat on a piece of newspaper or cardboard to keep the floor or driveway
> from turning silver. Clamp the ring with a pair of vice grips to hold
> it to the correct diameter. Don1t worry about the flashing over lapping
> itself that usually helps it hold it's shape. Mask off the valve stem
> and spray away.
> Note that Plasti-Kote also lists an Argent Silver (#621) on their
> website, but I have no idea if it's close to the color we need for
> Campys; it might be worth getting a can to test.
> And here's an article on wheel restoration that everyone should read...
>
> Restoring Magnesium Campagnolo Wheels the Right Way
> http://www.poca.com/detomaso/2000-06/1205.html
> by Mike Drew and Jack DeRyke
>
> Eastwood Light Argent Silver
> I used Eastwood's Argent Silver then coated with Eastwood semi-gloss
> clear to facilitate easy cleaning. My Campys looked perfect. Others
> have misted with Eastwood's Cad Silver between the Argent Silver and
> the semi-gloss clear for a "perfect" finish, but I found the light
> argent silver straight from the can looked pretty near perfect,
> especially when coated with Eastwood Diamond Clear (satin finish).
> FWIW, I spent about $200 on stripper, Zinc Chromate Primer, Eastwood
> Silver Argent and Diamond Clear paint, and then invested countless
> hours annealling the wheels and doing all the dirty work.
>
> Powder Coating Wheels at Home
> I was very disappointed with the durability of the Eastwood paint (see
> the 3rd picture in the following link), so I decided to powder coat my
> wheels, at home. Check out this thread for my pictures:
> [1]http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1510042044/m/4081069456
> /p/1
> The color I used was Silver Metallic 30% Gloss (T353-GR06) from
> Cardinal Paint and Powder. It's a pretty darn close match to the
> Eastwood Argent Silver (and the original color), but I wouldn't say
> it's a "perfect" match. Although, close enough for me! Eastwood offers
> Argent Silver Powder paint, so theirs might be a perfect match.
> In the "close up beauty shot" at the bottom of the first page of the
> powder coating thread you can see some of the "coated in a plastic
> finish" look around the cast "campagnolo" name that Paul mentioned in
> his post.
> Cheers!
> Garth
> #4033 - the Banzai Runner Pantera
>
> References
>
> 1. http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1510042044/m/4081069456/p/1
>
Regards,
Vinh
#7445
>> On Jun 7, 2020, at 16:04, Mike & Elizabeth <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Apparently I cannot powder coat them as the PE aluminum wheels are two piece
> and there are issues with possible air pockets in the welds at the seam when
> the wheels are heated with the coating.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On Behalf Of John
> Donahue
> Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2020 12:04 PM
> To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Paint code for the Argent Silver used on the Campy
> wheels
>
> Powder-coat them
>
>> On Jun 7, 2020, at 11:58 AM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> I have had shockingly good luck painting original wheels with silver wheel
> spray paint from the local auto parts store. All the major spray paint
> makers produce dedicated silver wheel paint and it works remarkably well if
> you want to try the DIY route.
>>
>> Since you live in a metropolitan area, there are likely numerous dedicated
> wheel refinishing companies within striking distance. All they do is
> refurbish wheels, so they will have exactly what you need. Do you still have
> your stock wheels? If so, do what we did--bring your PE wheels plus one
> stock wheel to them, and simply point and say 'make these look like that'.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>> On Jun 7, 2020, at 11:39, Mike & Elizabeth <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> `Been a while since anyone has asked for the paint code for the
>>> argent silver used by DeTomaso on the Campy wheels. Does someone
>>> have it and could you pass it along? I'm exploring painting my PE
>>> Campy clones as part of the restoration of 6328.
>>> Thanks!
>>> Mike Thomas
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Mike,
I found the following old post from Garth Rodericks detailing his
experience:
Ford TSB, Bulletin #11, Article 92.
Service Paint - Magnesium Wheels Color: Argent Silver
Ditzler Part No.: DX8555
HOWEVER, when I first restored my wheels, I couldn't find that paint
from any local supplier - it's an obsolete number with no current
cross
reference. However, I've subsequently been told that the old Ditzler
color code DX8555 cross references to a new color code: DAR33772
Silver
Poly.
Note: The following info is from a Chrysler board as they use the
same
paint code for various parts. The Light Textured Argent, part number
DX 8555, is obsolete. Medium Textured Argent, part number DNA 8933,
can
sometimes be found at larger, older Ditzler dealers. Last used in the
mid 1970's, it is now all but obsolete. Older Ditzler dealers that
have
remaining stock can mix this paint for you, but it can also be mixed
from currently available paints. Here's how...
LIGHT ARGENT TEXTURED
Ingredients for 1 pint (double for quart)
1/2 ounce DX 204 - Radiance Silver
1/2 ounce DDL 8568 - Non Smudge Aluminum/aluminum base
3 1/2 ounces DCA 468 High Performance Clear
Add 4 ounces of top grade lacquer thinner with drying time according
to
temperature. Mix thoroughly and pour in 1 pint touch up gun. Use 10
clean 1/4" ball bearings in paint cup to keep the paint mixed. Use
three light coats over an existing finish or four to six coats over
unfinished parts. This paint runs VERY easily, allow 5-10 minutes
between coats.
MEDIUM ARGENT TEXTURED
The steps are exactly as above, but add black lacquer to darken.
Start
with six drops per pint and stir thoroughly, then spray a sample to
compare to the original finish. Add a drop at a time until you
achieve
the correct tint. Spray these paints at 55-60 lbs. keeping the gun
18-30 inches from the surface. Frequently agitate the mixture to
maintain uniform consistency because the Radiance Silver is heavy and
will settle out quickly. Also, Year One sells part #QP323, which is
Chrysler rally wheel paint, and part #QP8575, which is the textured
light argent silver paint used on Chrysler grilles and rally wheel
center caps. Both are sold in quart cans.
Plastikote Spray Paint
Paint A fellow club member used Plasti-Kote "1001 Bright Silver
Metal"
in an 11 oz. spray can and reports that it was a good match, and an
economical option for repainting original Campys! The label on the
can
said "Plasti-Kote Body Shop Paint, for Painting Doors, Fenders, Hoods
and Other Large Panels on Cars, Trucks & Vans". This paint seems to
be
very forgiving when it comes to runs and sags, and giving a run a
little more spray seems to make it lay down smooth.
Technique: You need about 60 inches of 6 inch wide aluminum flashing
-
comes in a roll at your local home improvement store. Unroll the
flashing and form a ring that just fits outside the wheel rim and
snugly down onto the tire. The wheel needs to be off the car and
laying
flat on a piece of newspaper or cardboard to keep the floor or
driveway
from turning silver. Clamp the ring with a pair of vice grips to hold
it to the correct diameter. Don1t worry about the flashing over
lapping
itself that usually helps it hold it's shape. Mask off the valve stem
and spray away.
Note that Plasti-Kote also lists an Argent Silver (#621) on their
website, but I have no idea if it's close to the color we need for
Campys; it might be worth getting a can to test.
And here's an article on wheel restoration that everyone should
read...
Restoring Magnesium Campagnolo Wheels the Right Way
[1]http://www.poca.com/detomaso/2000-06/1205.html
by Mike Drew and Jack DeRyke
Eastwood Light Argent Silver
I used Eastwood's Argent Silver then coated with Eastwood semi-gloss
clear to facilitate easy cleaning. My Campys looked perfect. Others
have misted with Eastwood's Cad Silver between the Argent Silver and
the semi-gloss clear for a "perfect" finish, but I found the light
argent silver straight from the can looked pretty near perfect,
especially when coated with Eastwood Diamond Clear (satin finish).
FWIW, I spent about $200 on stripper, Zinc Chromate Primer, Eastwood
Silver Argent and Diamond Clear paint, and then invested countless
hours annealling the wheels and doing all the dirty work.
Powder Coating Wheels at Home
I was very disappointed with the durability of the Eastwood paint
(see
the 3rd picture in the following link), so I decided to powder coat
my
wheels, at home. Check out this thread for my pictures:
[1][2]http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1510042044/m/40810
69456
/p/1
The color I used was Silver Metallic 30% Gloss (T353-GR06) from
Cardinal Paint and Powder. It's a pretty darn close match to the
Eastwood Argent Silver (and the original color), but I wouldn't say
it's a "perfect" match. Although, close enough for me! Eastwood
offers
Argent Silver Powder paint, so theirs might be a perfect match.
In the "close up beauty shot" at the bottom of the first page of the
powder coating thread you can see some of the "coated in a plastic
finish" look around the cast "campagnolo" name that Paul mentioned in
his post.
Cheers!
Garth
#4033 - the Banzai Runner Pantera
References
1. [3]http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1510042044/m/40
81069456/p/1
Regards,
Vinh
#7445
On Jun 7, 2020, at 16:04, Mike & Elizabeth <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
wrote:
Apparently I cannot powder coat them as the PE aluminum wheels are two
piece
and there are issues with possible air pockets in the welds at the seam
when
the wheels are heated with the coating.
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On Behalf Of
John
Donahue
Sent: Sunday, June 7, 2020 12:04 PM
To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Paint code for the Argent Silver used on the
Campy
wheels
Powder-coat them
On Jun 7, 2020, at 11:58 AM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Mike,
I have had shockingly good luck painting original wheels with silver
wheel
spray paint from the local auto parts store. All the major spray paint
makers produce dedicated silver wheel paint and it works remarkably
well if
you want to try the DIY route.
Since you live in a metropolitan area, there are likely numerous
dedicated
wheel refinishing companies within striking distance. All they do is
refurbish wheels, so they will have exactly what you need. Do you still
have
your stock wheels? If so, do what we did--bring your PE wheels plus one
stock wheel to them, and simply point and say 'make these look like
that'.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 7, 2020, at 11:39, Mike & Elizabeth <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
wrote:
`Been a while since anyone has asked for the paint code for the
argent silver used by DeTomaso on the Campy wheels. Does someone
have it and could you pass it along? I'm exploring painting my PE
Campy clones as part of the restoration of 6328.
Thanks!
Mike Thomas
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1. http://www.poca.com/detomaso/2000-06/1205.html
2. http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1510042044/m/4081069456
3. http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1510042044/m/4081069456/p/1
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