[DeTomaso] Installing Edelbrock Carb
Will Kooiman
will.kooiman at gmail.com
Thu Jul 30 14:36:49 EDT 2020
Personally, I don't see the point.
The old Holley carburetors didn't change for years, but maybe 15 years ago there were several advances by 3rd parties - Quick Fuel Technology, Proform, etc.
The current Holley carburetors have incorporated all of those advances.
My Ultra HP feels about 1/2 the weight of a traditional Holley. The metering block looks night/day different from a classic Holley. The fuel bowls are larger. It has built-in sight glasses (for fuel level), 4-corner idle, no choke (which I prefer), billet baseplate, all aluminum construction, and so on.
In other words, 20 years ago a tuner carburetor made sense. These days, if you want a Holley style carburetor, just buy an off-the-shelf carburetor - but get one of the new designs.
Btw, in my recent road trip, I got 18-20 mpg. This is with a 4" crank, std bore, Dart 351W block, medium sized hydraulic roller cam, A3 heads, single plane intake, and 180-deg headers. The only carburetor mod was going down 3 sizes on jets.
On 7/30/20, 2:25 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Tim Hobley" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of timhobley at hotmail.com> wrote:
I tried to get one of the PPC tuner carbs 1 or 2 months ago and the
message I received from Larry was that they are not available anymore.
Let us know if that has changed.
Cheers, Tim
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 10:24:48 -0700
From: "Chuck and Linda Huber" <lindahuber at cox.net>
To: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Installing Edelbrock Carb
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Why not try one of the "tuner" carbs advertised in POCA Profiles by PPC
in Carson City?
- it boasts performance increases, good fuel economy ("if you
can keep your foot out of it"), and would come with customer support.
It's been set up for the Pantera / 351C, and I would assume that the
linkage is standard, with no mods required to make it work.
You could write a review of its performance and your experience.
Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel C Jones [[1]mailto:daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 7:27 PM
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Installing Edelbrock Carb
> The Edelbrock carb is a redesigned Carter 4bbl which as I remember
was an
amalgam of Rochester and the very early Holley
The Edelbrock AFB and AVS carbs are indeed Carter designs but the AFB
is a
descendent of Carter's earlier WCFB. Carter introduced the first US
production 4 barrel carb in 1952 on the Buick straight 8. It was known
as
the WCFB for Wil Carter Four Barrel. Made of iron and zinc with an
aluminum top cover, it weighed in at a hefty 18 pounds. The Carter AFB
(Aluminum Four Barrel) was introduced in 1957 and shared the WCFB's 2
piece
design, stepped rod in jet arrangement for primary metering and
enrichment
and air valve secondaries but is much lighter due to its aluminum
construction. The Edelbrock AFB is based upon the second generation
Carter
AFB. Rochester's first 4 barrel, the 4-Jet (4G or 4GC) was also
introduced
in 1952. It does have a passing similarity to the AFB but is a fixed
jet
design with spring loaded secondary air door (similar to the AVS, the
AFB
used a counter-weight). Holley followed a year later with the 2140
"Teapot" 4 barrel which looks nothing like an AFB or later Holley 4150
modular design.
Dan Jones
On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 2:40 PM Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso <
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> Thinking back 40 years, Fred, the Edelbrock carb is a redesigned
Carter
> 4bbl which as I remember was an amalgam of Rochester and the very
early
> Holley that was not at all the same design as what we (mostly)
love
> today. I have no experience with Carter/Edelbrocks beyond using
one (of
> a pair) from a Chrysler 300 on my flathead Ford in high school. I
know
> a few people use them on Panteras but in what state of tune, I
don't
> know. Suggest buying a tuner book before you make the investment
in the
> carb. Or call Edelbrock's tech line. They may try to convince you
to go
> throttle body EFI.... Good luck.
> J DeRyke
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fred Foreman <fred4man at att.net>
> To: Detomas List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Tue, Jul 28, 2020 11:58 am
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Installing Edelbrock Carb
> I'm thinking of installing an Edelbrock Performer carb on the
Pantera.
> I'm tired of Holly. The currently installed Holly has the
throttle
> cable attaching about 1-3/8" down below the throttle shaft. From
the
> Edelbrock photos it appears their carb does not have much of a
> throttle linkage plate below the throttle shaft centerline on
which to
> attach the forward running throttle cable.
> I'm sure I'm not the first to do this installation. Any one have
a
> comment or recommendation on throttle cable hook-up?
> Thanks,
> Fred Foreman
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