[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 187, Issue 26
Ken Green
kenn_green at yahoo.com
Fri Jan 31 15:56:33 EST 2020
I read that Evans coolant has a lower heat capacity than water and the engine runs hotter. Have you seen any heat issues?
Ken
On Friday, January 31, 2020, 11:05:24 AM PST, Owen Cooke <owen at tadhgcooke.com> wrote:
We are using waterless coolant now and it is a permanent solution to
boiling and corrosion Evans is the maker and a life saver
Owen cooke dublin
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Radiator (Jack Donahue)
2. Fwd: Aluminum vs brass (Jack Donahue)
3. Re: Dennis Fugnetti RIP... (Bob)
4. Re: Nice Yellow '71 Flat Deck in Portland, OR on BaT. - Sold
at $111K (Mike Thomas)
5. Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Nice Yellow '71 Flat Deck in Portland, OR
on BaT. - Sold at $111K (Himes, Terry (US 397C))
6. Techno question: stock rear brake shims (Charles Engles)
7. Re: Techno question: stock rear brake shims (Mike Drew)
8. Re: Techno question: stock rear brake shims (Mike Drew)
9. Re: Techno question: stock rear brake shims (Doug)
10. Re: Techno question: stock rear brake shims (Julian Kift)
11. Re: Techno question: stock rear brake shims (Charles Engles)
12. Re: Techno question: stock rear brake shims (Curt Hall)
13. Re: Techno question: stock rear brake shims (Charles Engles)
14. Re: Dennis Fugnetti RIP... (Scott Mead Photography)
15. Re: Dennis Fugnetti RIP... (Larry Stock)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 09:35:04 -0800
From: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com>
To: Jim Wallace <pantera_4220 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator
Message-ID: <84656478-FAC8-4A11-8B6D-888B29A18CB2 at gmail.com>
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FWIW - No Rosion is used for copper/brass rads - HyperKuhl for
aluminum.
> On Jan 30, 2020, at 5:39 AM, Jim Wallace via DeTomaso
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> I concur with Jack, replaced mine with aluminum fluidyne and it
worked just fine.
>
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 29, 2020, at 23:29, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>
>> ? IMHO you will get more cooling with any aluminum radiator
because they
>> typically use 4X size tubes inside. Copper radiators cannot use
such
>> huge inner tubes so their water flow & heat transfer is limited. I
>> recommend an aluminum Fluidyne which is a drop in replacement,
weighs
>> less than half the stock unit and holds more water. It MUST be
handled
>> carefully as soft aluminum strips threads easily and coolant MUST
be
>> kept around pH 12. 'No-Rosion' additive is often included with
>> aluminum radiators from vendors. Some local tap water is as acidic
as
>> soda pop and will wreck a new aluminum rad in weeks. I don't think
>> Ford, GM or Chrysler has used a brass rad, even in trucks, in this
>> century.
>> The Fluidyne can also be leaned fwd for convenience in working on a
far
>> more efficient shrouded sucker fan system like the Flexilite. Our
>> Fluidyne/Flexilite combo has done outstanding duty since 1995 and
still
>> doesn't leak. From city driving , desert cruising to full-on open
>> track. Worked for me- J DeRyke
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Himes, Terry (US 397C) via DeTomaso
>> <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 6:51 pm
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Radiator
>> Hall is out of radiators. I heard they had the best. My original
>> radiator needs to be replaced.
>> About the only thing I have not replaced, and it has always worked
>> extremely well, even with
>> many trips to the Vegas POCA events and all the fun-runs.
>> Anyone know of another source of a drop-in replacement. I don't
want
>> to do anything crazy.
>> (all tubes replaced with stainless steel long-ago)
>> Thanks.
>> Terry
>> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
>> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>> Terry W. Himes
>> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
>> Deep Space Exploration a Mission Operations
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>> MEX Sequence Lead
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>> Phone: (818) 393-6261
>> Cell: (818) 653-8213
>> [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
>> i>>?On 1/29/20, 6:37 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of
>> [2]charlesmccall at gmail.com"
>> <[3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> [4]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I realize that none of us are answering the question of where
to
>> buy parts, and all of us are commenting the part that he already
has
>> decided, but...
>>
>> My conclusion after reading all the discussions over the years
is
>> that the optimal location depends on the typical operating
conditions
>> of the car. The stock location is probably better for cruising
around
>> town, or for up to medium-speed trips. The stock condenser fans can
>> pull in enough air to cool effectively and the radiator isn't
>> obstructed during what is probably the most difficult condition to
keep
>> cool. The front-mounted option is better if you spend most of your
time
>> at higher highway speeds, since above X mph, it's been widely
published
>> that a vacuum starts to form behind the condenser, and the higher
the
>> speed, the more it struggles to get air through it. At higher
speeds,
>> there's no issue with engine cooling since the airflow is enough to
>> cool the radiator and the condenser, while it might struggle with
this
>> task if it was only the fan during driving around town.
>>
>> In my particular case, if I had it to do over I'd put it up
front.
>> Most of my use consists of driving from one part of Europe to
another
>> at European highway speeds. Or travelling 5-6 hours away within the
>> same country to attend some event, but at higher speed to reach the
>> place. I could deal with the AC off in the worst case if necessary
>> during the puttering around in town until I got on the highway,
which
>> is when wind noise becomes an issue in any case. In summary,
neither
>> system is perfect for all conditions, so you pick the system based
on
>> your typical conditions.
>>
>> My two rupees
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso <[5]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On
>> Behalf Of R.J.
>> Sent: jueves, 30 de enero de 2020 2:10
>> To: [6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Parts List & Sources for Pantera AC
>> Installation
>>
>> If done right, a front condenser works way better that the
stock
>> system.
>> The correct o-ring style pick ups can be soldierd on the stock
>> evaproator.
>>
>> Roland, who is running a front condersers since 25 years on
several
>> Panteras.
>>
>>> Am 29.01.2020 um 21:32 schrieb Mike Drew via DeTomaso:
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> The Space City Pantera guys just discussed this on their forum in
>> the past few weeks including talk of superior hoses with
quick-connect
>> fittings.
>>>
>>> Contact John Taphorn for the specifics.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On Jan 29, 2020, at 11:02, Mike & Elizabeth Thomas
>> <[7]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> One of the major upgrades I plan to do to 6328 will be
>> installation of
>>>> AC - she's never had it and my lovely passenger said she
>> won't take
>>>> another long summer cruise without it. OK then . . .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I know this is a hotly debated subject, but I've decided to
>> go with a
>>>> front-mounted condenser. That said, I will need the entire
>> setup from
>>>> A-Z including all hose runs, mechanical parts, electrical
>> switches
>>>> (thinking of going with John Haas Pantera Electronics AC
>> controller)
>>>> and other bits & bobs. During the restoration, I'll have the
>> dash out
>>>> so will be able to make any needed changes/upgrades to any of
>> the parts
>>>> under the dash.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can somebody help me start getting a list of all parts needed
>> and where
>>>> I would source them?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks very much!
>>>>
>>>> Mike Thomas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Our email address has changed: Please use
>> [1][8]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com for
>>>> all new messages, thanks!
>>>>
>>>> References
>>>>
>>>> 1. mailto:[9]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 09:35:34 -0800
From: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com>
To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Aluminum vs brass
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> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: Jay Ross <norosion at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: Aluminum vs brass
> Date: January 30, 2020 at 9:15:32 AM PST
> To: demongusta at gmail.com
>
>
> Hi Jack,
>
> We recommend HyperKuhl for aluminum radiators, and No-Rosion for
copper/brass radiators.
>
> Thank you,
>
> -Jay
>
> --
> Jay Ross
> Applied Chemical Specialties, Inc.
> jross at norosion.com | 847-477-9262 (T) | 402-390-9262 (F)
>
> ASTM D15 Engine Coolants | D02 Petroleum/Fuels | Member #426562
> SAE Society of Automotive Engineers | Member #6135528286
>
> www.norosion.com | Leading Engine Fluid Technologies
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com>
> To: info <info at NoRosion.com>
> Sent: Thu, Jan 30, 2020 8:09 am
> Subject: Aluminum vs brass
>
> Which product additive is better with aluminum vs brass radiators?
I?ve heard lots of controversy.
> John Donahue
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Begin forwarded message:
From: Jay Ross <[1]norosion at aol.com>
Subject: Re: Aluminum vs brass
Date: January 30, 2020 at 9:15:32 AM PST
To: [2]demongusta at gmail.com
Hi Jack,
We recommend HyperKuhl for aluminum radiators, and No-Rosion for
copper/brass radiators.
Thank you,
-Jay
--
Jay Ross
Applied Chemical Specialties, Inc.
[3]jross at norosion.com | 847-477-9262 (T) | 402-390-9262 (F)
ASTM D15 Engine Coolants | D02 Petroleum/Fuels | Member #426562
SAE Society of Automotive Engineers | Member #6135528286
[4]www.norosion.com | Leading Engine Fluid Technologies
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Donahue <[5]demongusta at gmail.com>
To: info <[6]info at NoRosion.com>
Sent: Thu, Jan 30, 2020 8:09 am
Subject: Aluminum vs brass
Which product additive is better with aluminum vs brass radiators?
I've
heard lots of controversy.
John Donahue
References
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2. mailto:demongusta at gmail.com
3. mailto:jross at norosion.com
4. http://www.norosion.com/
5. mailto:demongusta at gmail.com
6. mailto:info at NoRosion.com
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 18:03:50 +0000 (UTC)
From: Bob <p6746 at aol.com>
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Dennis Fugnetti RIP...
Message-ID: <876538158.1598069.1580407430512 at mail.yahoo.com>
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I also have the poster of image 0 at the entrance to my office, which I
see and smile at several time a day.? In fact I used his car the basis
for what I wanted to do to our car during restoration in the 80's and
90's. RIP Dennis.? Bob Reid
In a message dated 1/29/2020 4:28:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com writes:
? I got the poster you have as image0 in like 1985, and it still graces
? the wall of my study / man cave. It was probably partly responsible
for
? my buying a Pantera
? RIP
? -----Original Message-----
? From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
? To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
? Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 1:14 pm
? Subject: [DeTomaso] Dennis Fugnetti RIP...
? ? All,
? ? Those who were around in the 80s may remember the name Dennis
? Fugnetti.
? ? ? He was a well-known fine arts automotive photographer in Southern
? ? California, who owned an exquisite twin-turbo Pantera. He produced
? ? several posters featuring his car (one inexplicably including
? stylized
? ? representations of a polished Mangusta wheel?), and his car was
? ? featured on the cover and inside the first really fine book on the
? ? marque, Panteras For The Road by Henry Rasmussen:
? ? [cid:ABB23469-668F-4040-BBCB-D55370791076-L0-001]
? ? [cid:C26B6DC1-4F99-4A95-8849-A4C416ACC38F-L0-001]
? ? [cid:EAC00BF7-F951-40B3-AAD5-1FBB3B1C97F3-L0-001]
? ? [cid:7CF1991B-0F9C-4ED5-BB89-DD0E5954A82F-L0-001]
? ? Jeff Maxwell informed me the other day that Dennis has passed away.
? His
? ? business lives on, shared with his daughter:
? ? [1][1]https://www.fugnettiimages.com/page/about2
? ? I only met him once, at Concorso Italiano long after he sold his
? ? Pantera. He was much younger than I was expecting him to be, not
all
? ? that much older than me. He was also extremely friendly and
? personable.
? ? My condolences to his family for what has to have been an untimely
? ? passing. :(
? ? I once found his old Pantera rotting at a used car lot in Monterey,
? ? sitting outdoors. This was in the early 1990s. The beautiful
polished
? ? engine looked like crap as the elements had taken their
? ? toll--everything was corroded.? I took it for a test drive and it
ran
? ? like crap too.? The turbos weren't dialed in so it ran terribly,
then
? ? spectacularly overheated and blew its water all over the place. We
? ? barely made it back to the dealer.? It had been a fine car when he
? ? owned it, so it's sad the subsequent owner or owners really let it
? fall
? ? apart.
? ? It was later bought by a Silicon Valley guy who retrofitted a
? standard
? ? motor, then quickly tired of it and sold it to buy a Ferrari 308
from
? ? the divorcing Lee Majors and Farrah Fawcett-Majors. I then lost
touch
? ? with it. I think it's still floating around in So-Cal?
? ? Spare Dennis a thought each time you admire his timeless poster,
? which
? ? many, many of us have hanging on our walls.....
? ? Mike
? ? Sent from my iPad
? References
? ? 1. [2]https://www.fugnettiimages.com/page/about2
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I also have the poster of image 0 at the entrance to my office,
which I
see and smile at several time a day. In fact I used his car the
basis
for what I wanted to do to our car during restoration in the 80's
and
90's. RIP Dennis. Bob Reid
In a message dated 1/29/2020 4:28:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com writes:
I got the poster you have as image0 in like 1985, and it still
graces
the wall of my study / man cave. It was probably partly
responsible
for
my buying a Pantera
RIP
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
To: De Tomaso Forum <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 1:14 pm
Subject: [DeTomaso] Dennis Fugnetti RIP...
All,
Those who were around in the 80s may remember the name Dennis
Fugnetti.
He was a well-known fine arts automotive photographer in
Southern
California, who owned an exquisite twin-turbo Pantera. He
produced
several posters featuring his car (one inexplicably including
stylized
representations of a polished Mangusta wheel?), and his car was
featured on the cover and inside the first really fine book on
the
marque, Panteras For The Road by Henry Rasmussen:
[cid:ABB23469-668F-4040-BBCB-D55370791076-L0-001]
[cid:C26B6DC1-4F99-4A95-8849-A4C416ACC38F-L0-001]
[cid:EAC00BF7-F951-40B3-AAD5-1FBB3B1C97F3-L0-001]
[cid:7CF1991B-0F9C-4ED5-BB89-DD0E5954A82F-L0-001]
Jeff Maxwell informed me the other day that Dennis has passed
away.
His
business lives on, shared with his daughter:
[1][1][3]https://www.fugnettiimages.com/page/about2
I only met him once, at Concorso Italiano long after he sold his
Pantera. He was much younger than I was expecting him to be, not
all
that much older than me. He was also extremely friendly and
personable.
My condolences to his family for what has to have been an
untimely
passing. :(
I once found his old Pantera rotting at a used car lot in
Monterey,
sitting outdoors. This was in the early 1990s. The beautiful
polished
engine looked like crap as the elements had taken their
toll--everything was corroded. I took it for a test drive and
it
ran
like crap too. The turbos weren't dialed in so it ran terribly,
then
spectacularly overheated and blew its water all over the place.
We
barely made it back to the dealer. It had been a fine car when
he
owned it, so it's sad the subsequent owner or owners really let
it
fall
apart.
It was later bought by a Silicon Valley guy who retrofitted a
standard
motor, then quickly tired of it and sold it to buy a Ferrari 308
from
the divorcing Lee Majors and Farrah Fawcett-Majors. I then lost
touch
with it. I think it's still floating around in So-Cal?
Spare Dennis a thought each time you admire his timeless poster,
which
many, many of us have hanging on our walls.....
Mike
Sent from my iPad
References
1. [2][4]https://www.fugnettiimages.com/page/about2
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 11:53:33 -0800
From: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas at comcast.net>
To: "'Mike & Elizabeth Thomas'" <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>,
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nice Yellow '71 Flat Deck in Portland, OR on
BaT. - Sold at $111K
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Well sold.
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& Elizabeth Thomas
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 7:56 AM
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Nice Yellow '71 Flat Deck in Portland, OR on BaT.
Currently at $82K.
<https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-detomaso-pantera-43/>
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 20:51:55 +0000
From: "Himes, Terry (US 397C)" <terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] [EXTERNAL] Re: Nice Yellow '71 Flat Deck in
Portland, OR on BaT. - Sold at $111K
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BaT Yellow Pantera sold for $111k. today. yippee
Yellow one's always rule!! __
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
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Well sold.
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 17:12:01 -0600
From: "Charles Engles" <cengles at cox.net>
To: <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock rear brake shims
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Dear Forum,
An Oklahoma Pantera owner bought a set of re-built brakes
from
one of our vendors, who is gone until next week. The problem is that
the
stock shims for the rear calipers were not shipped. The dumb question
is
whether the front shims will fit the rear calipers. We do have an
extra set
of front shims, but I do not think that they'll fit. Anyone with
actual
knowledge of this bit of stock brake trivia??
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
-------------- next part --------------
Dear Forum,
An Oklahoma Pantera owner bought a set of re-built
brakes
from one of our vendors, who is gone until next week. The problem
is
that the stock shims for the rear calipers were not shipped. The
dumb
question is whether the front shims will fit the rear calipers. We
do
have an extra set of front shims, but I do not think that they'll
fit. Anyone with actual knowledge of this bit of stock brake
trivia??
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
------------------------------
Message: 7
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 16:15:26 -0800
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock rear brake shims
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Chuck,
Two things:
1). Front and rear caliper bolt spacing is different. You can't put a
front anything on the rear.
2). Rear calipers don't have shims. :)
Both front and rear have locking tabs which go immediately underneath
the head of the mounting bolts, but they are not shims. They have tabs
which are bent up to prevent bolt rotation. Front calipers also have
shims between caliper and upright which spaces the caliper inboard by
the thickness of the shim.
The caliper locking tabs for the GT5 (which has different calipers with
different bolt spacing for the different spindles/rear uprights) are
very cheap. However the ones for the early cars are obscenely expensive
for what they are.
Look at Wilkinson's website for exploded drawings and associated parts
descriptions with eye-watering prices for the locking tabs....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 30, 2020, at 15:12, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>
> Dear Forum,
>
>
> An Oklahoma Pantera owner bought a set of re-built
brakes
> from one of our vendors, who is gone until next week. The problem
is
> that the stock shims for the rear calipers were not shipped. The
dumb
> question is whether the front shims will fit the rear calipers. We
do
> have an extra set of front shims, but I do not think that they'll
> fit. Anyone with actual knowledge of this bit of stock brake
trivia??
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 16:15:26 -0800
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock rear brake shims
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Chuck,
Two things:
1). Front and rear caliper bolt spacing is different. You can't put a
front anything on the rear.
2). Rear calipers don't have shims. :)
Both front and rear have locking tabs which go immediately underneath
the head of the mounting bolts, but they are not shims. They have tabs
which are bent up to prevent bolt rotation. Front calipers also have
shims between caliper and upright which spaces the caliper inboard by
the thickness of the shim.
The caliper locking tabs for the GT5 (which has different calipers with
different bolt spacing for the different spindles/rear uprights) are
very cheap. However the ones for the early cars are obscenely expensive
for what they are.
Look at Wilkinson's website for exploded drawings and associated parts
descriptions with eye-watering prices for the locking tabs....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 30, 2020, at 15:12, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>
> Dear Forum,
>
>
> An Oklahoma Pantera owner bought a set of re-built
brakes
> from one of our vendors, who is gone until next week. The problem
is
> that the stock shims for the rear calipers were not shipped. The
dumb
> question is whether the front shims will fit the rear calipers. We
do
> have an extra set of front shims, but I do not think that they'll
> fit. Anyone with actual knowledge of this bit of stock brake
trivia??
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 16:36:54 -0800
From: "Doug" <doug351c at gmail.com>
To: "'Charles Engles'" <cengles at cox.net>,
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock rear brake shims
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Chuck,
The front spacers will definitely NOT fit the rear.
The fronts have a 76mm bolt spacing while the rears have a 60mm
spacing.
Doug Braun
Blue 73L #5505
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Behalf
Of Charles Engles
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 3:12 PM
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock rear brake shims
Dear Forum,
An Oklahoma Pantera owner bought a set of re-built brakes
from
one of our vendors, who is gone until next week. The problem is that
the
stock shims for the rear calipers were not shipped. The dumb question
is
whether the front shims will fit the rear calipers. We do have an
extra set
of front shims, but I do not think that they'll fit. Anyone with
actual
knowledge of this bit of stock brake trivia??
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
------------------------------
Message: 10
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 00:47:59 +0000
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock rear brake shims
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They would be a fairly easy part to take to a local shop and get a
bunch laser cut, you'd have thought a vendor would have been all over
this as the lock tabs are a consumable that weakens after a couple uses
and the tab breaks off. The caliper bolt spacing isn't that uncommon of
the era, surely someone must sell equivalent lock tabs that don't come
in a De Tomaso plastic bag....?
Alternatively one could drill the bolt heads for safety wiring, or
purchase pre-drilled bolts. The second option may be more expensive
than new lock tabs in the short term, but almost infinitely reusable.
Julian
________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 4:15 PM
To: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock rear brake shims
Chuck,
Two things:
1). Front and rear caliper bolt spacing is different. You can't put a
front anything on the rear.
2). Rear calipers don't have shims. :)
Both front and rear have locking tabs which go immediately underneath
the head of the mounting bolts, but they are not shims. They have tabs
which are bent up to prevent bolt rotation. Front calipers also have
shims between caliper and upright which spaces the caliper inboard by
the thickness of the shim.
The caliper locking tabs for the GT5 (which has different calipers with
different bolt spacing for the different spindles/rear uprights) are
very cheap. However the ones for the early cars are obscenely expensive
for what they are.
Look at Wilkinson's website for exploded drawings and associated parts
descriptions with eye-watering prices for the locking tabs....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 30, 2020, at 15:12, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>
> Dear Forum,
>
>
> An Oklahoma Pantera owner bought a set of re-built
brakes
> from one of our vendors, who is gone until next week. The problem
is
> that the stock shims for the rear calipers were not shipped. The
dumb
> question is whether the front shims will fit the rear calipers. We
do
> have an extra set of front shims, but I do not think that they'll
> fit. Anyone with actual knowledge of this bit of stock brake
trivia??
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
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They would be a fairly easy part to take to a local shop and get a
bunch laser cut, you'd have thought a vendor would have been all
over
this as the lock tabs are a consumable that weakens after a couple
uses
and the tab breaks off. The caliper bolt spacing isn't that uncommon
of
the era, surely someone must sell equivalent lock tabs that don't
come
in a De Tomaso plastic bag....?
Alternatively one could drill the bolt heads for safety wiring, or
purchase pre-drilled bolts. The second option may be more expensive
than new lock tabs in the short term, but almost infinitely
reusable.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
of
Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 4:15 PM
To: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock rear brake shims
Chuck,
Two things:
1). Front and rear caliper bolt spacing is different. You can't put
a
front anything on the rear.
2). Rear calipers don't have shims. :)
Both front and rear have locking tabs which go immediately
underneath
the head of the mounting bolts, but they are not shims. They have
tabs
which are bent up to prevent bolt rotation. Front calipers also have
shims between caliper and upright which spaces the caliper inboard
by
the thickness of the shim.
The caliper locking tabs for the GT5 (which has different calipers
with
different bolt spacing for the different spindles/rear uprights) are
very cheap. However the ones for the early cars are obscenely
expensive
for what they are.
Look at Wilkinson's website for exploded drawings and associated
parts
descriptions with eye-watering prices for the locking tabs....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 30, 2020, at 15:12, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>
> Dear Forum,
>
>
> An Oklahoma Pantera owner bought a set of re-built
brakes
> from one of our vendors, who is gone until next week. The
problem
is
> that the stock shims for the rear calipers were not shipped.
The
dumb
> question is whether the front shims will fit the rear calipers.
We
do
> have an extra set of front shims, but I do not think that
they'll
> fit. Anyone with actual knowledge of this bit of stock brake
trivia??
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 19:15:51 -0600
From: "Charles Engles" <cengles at cox.net>
To: "'Mike Drew'" <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, <doug351c at gmail.com>, "'Julian
Kift'" <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock rear brake shims
Message-ID: <007c01d5d7d3$fbd8ac10$f38a0430$@cox.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Dear Mike, Doug and Julian,
Thanks for the help. The brake install is back on
track.
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Drew [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 6:15 PM
To: Charles Engles
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock rear brake shims
Chuck,
Two things:
1). Front and rear caliper bolt spacing is different. You can't put a
front
anything on the rear.
2). Rear calipers don't have shims. :)
Both front and rear have locking tabs which go immediately underneath
the
head of the mounting bolts, but they are not shims. They have tabs
which are
bent up to prevent bolt rotation. Front calipers also have shims
between
caliper and upright which spaces the caliper inboard by the thickness
of the
shim.
The caliper locking tabs for the GT5 (which has different calipers with
different bolt spacing for the different spindles/rear uprights) are
very
cheap. However the ones for the early cars are obscenely expensive for
what
they are.
Look at Wilkinson's website for exploded drawings and associated parts
descriptions with eye-watering prices for the locking tabs....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 30, 2020, at 15:12, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>
> Dear Forum,
>
>
> An Oklahoma Pantera owner bought a set of re-built
brakes
> from one of our vendors, who is gone until next week. The problem
is
> that the stock shims for the rear calipers were not shipped. The
dumb
> question is whether the front shims will fit the rear calipers. We
do
> have an extra set of front shims, but I do not think that they'll
> fit. Anyone with actual knowledge of this bit of stock brake
trivia??
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 02:58:13 +0000 (UTC)
From: Curt Hall <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>
To: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock rear brake shims
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Interesting...Always Wonder why People didn't Front Brakes on the Rear!
Even with a Custom Bracket?
On Thursday, January 30, 2020, 04:15:51 PM PST, Mike Drew via
DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Chuck,
Two things:
1). Front and rear caliper bolt spacing is different. You can't put a
front anything on the rear.
2). Rear calipers don't have shims. :)
Both front and rear have locking tabs which go immediately underneath
the head of the mounting bolts, but they are not shims. They have tabs
which are bent up to prevent bolt rotation. Front calipers also have
shims between caliper and upright which spaces the caliper inboard by
the thickness of the shim.
The caliper locking tabs for the GT5 (which has different calipers with
different bolt spacing for the different spindles/rear uprights) are
very cheap. However the ones for the early cars are obscenely expensive
for what they are.
Look at Wilkinson's website for exploded drawings and associated parts
descriptions with eye-watering prices for the locking tabs....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 30, 2020, at 15:12, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>
>? Dear Forum,
>
>
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? An Oklahoma Pantera owner bought a set of re-built
brakes
>? from one of our vendors, who is gone until next week.? The problem
is
>? that the stock shims for the rear calipers were not shipped.? The
dumb
>? question is whether the front shims will fit the rear calipers.? We
do
>? have an extra set of front shims, but I do not think that they'll
>? fit.? Anyone with actual knowledge of this bit of stock brake
trivia??
>
>
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Warmest regards,? Chuck Engles
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Interesting...Always Wonder why People didn't Front Brakes on the
Rear!
Even with a Custom Bracket?
On Thursday, January 30, 2020, 04:15:51 PM PST, Mike Drew via
DeTomaso
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Chuck,
Two things:
1). Front and rear caliper bolt spacing is different. You can't put
a
front anything on the rear.
2). Rear calipers don't have shims. :)
Both front and rear have locking tabs which go immediately
underneath
the head of the mounting bolts, but they are not shims. They have
tabs
which are bent up to prevent bolt rotation. Front calipers also have
shims between caliper and upright which spaces the caliper inboard
by
the thickness of the shim.
The caliper locking tabs for the GT5 (which has different calipers
with
different bolt spacing for the different spindles/rear uprights) are
very cheap. However the ones for the early cars are obscenely
expensive
for what they are.
Look at Wilkinson's website for exploded drawings and associated
parts
descriptions with eye-watering prices for the locking tabs....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 30, 2020, at 15:12, Charles Engles <[1]cengles at cox.net>
wrote:
>
> Dear Forum,
>
>
> An Oklahoma Pantera owner bought a set of re-built
brakes
> from one of our vendors, who is gone until next week. The
problem
is
> that the stock shims for the rear calipers were not shipped. The
dumb
> question is whether the front shims will fit the rear calipers.
We
do
> have an extra set of front shims, but I do not think that they'll
> fit. Anyone with actual knowledge of this bit of stock brake
trivia??
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 21:36:18 -0600
From: "Charles Engles" <cengles at cox.net>
To: "'Curt Hall'" <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>, "'Mike Drew'"
<MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock rear brake shims
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Dear Curt,
Good question. I do not know the answer.
I do recall the rear brake mod of the eighties to put a
second rear caliper on the rear. It didn?t catch on, but some people
were trying to get more brake power on the rear brake rotors and they
used a second small stock rear caliper rather than a front one as you
suggest. I suspect that the obstacle is space for a caliper the size
of the front plus custom mount plus the cable actuated parking brake.
That is my guess which awaits factual refutation. FWIW.
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
From: Curt Hall [mailto:cuvee at sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 8:58 PM
To: Charles Engles; Mike Drew
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock rear brake shims
Interesting...Always Wonder why People didn't Front Brakes on the Rear!
Even with a Custom Bracket?
On Thursday, January 30, 2020, 04:15:51 PM PST, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Chuck,
Two things:
1). Front and rear caliper bolt spacing is different. You can't put a
front anything on the rear.
2). Rear calipers don't have shims. :)
Both front and rear have locking tabs which go immediately underneath
the head of the mounting bolts, but they are not shims. They have tabs
which are bent up to prevent bolt rotation. Front calipers also have
shims between caliper and upright which spaces the caliper inboard by
the thickness of the shim.
The caliper locking tabs for the GT5 (which has different calipers with
different bolt spacing for the different spindles/rear uprights) are
very cheap. However the ones for the early cars are obscenely expensive
for what they are.
Look at Wilkinson's website for exploded drawings and associated parts
descriptions with eye-watering prices for the locking tabs....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 30, 2020, at 15:12, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>
> Dear Forum,
>
>
> An Oklahoma Pantera owner bought a set of re-built
brakes
> from one of our vendors, who is gone until next week. The problem
is
> that the stock shims for the rear calipers were not shipped. The
dumb
> question is whether the front shims will fit the rear calipers. We
do
> have an extra set of front shims, but I do not think that they'll
> fit. Anyone with actual knowledge of this bit of stock brake
trivia??
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
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Dear Curt,
Good question. I do not know the answer.
I do recall the rear brake mod of the eighties to put a
second rear caliper on the rear. It didn't catch on, but some
people
were trying to get more brake power on the rear brake rotors and
they
used a second small stock rear caliper rather than a front one as
you
suggest. I suspect that the obstacle is space for a caliper the
size
of the front plus custom mount plus the cable actuated parking
brake.
That is my guess which awaits factual refutation. FWIW.
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
From: Curt Hall [mailto:cuvee at sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 8:58 PM
To: Charles Engles; Mike Drew
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock rear brake shims
Interesting...Always Wonder why People didn't Front Brakes on the
Rear!
Even with a Custom Bracket?
On Thursday, January 30, 2020, 04:15:51 PM PST, Mike Drew via
DeTomaso
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Chuck,
Two things:
1). Front and rear caliper bolt spacing is different. You can't put
a
front anything on the rear.
2). Rear calipers don't have shims. :)
Both front and rear have locking tabs which go immediately
underneath
the head of the mounting bolts, but they are not shims. They have
tabs
which are bent up to prevent bolt rotation. Front calipers also have
shims between caliper and upright which spaces the caliper inboard
by
the thickness of the shim.
The caliper locking tabs for the GT5 (which has different calipers
with
different bolt spacing for the different spindles/rear uprights) are
very cheap. However the ones for the early cars are obscenely
expensive
for what they are.
Look at Wilkinson's website for exploded drawings and associated
parts
descriptions with eye-watering prices for the locking tabs....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 30, 2020, at 15:12, Charles Engles <[1]cengles at cox.net>
wrote:
>
> Dear Forum,
>
>
> An Oklahoma Pantera owner bought a set of re-built
brakes
> from one of our vendors, who is gone until next week. The
problem
is
> that the stock shims for the rear calipers were not shipped. The
dumb
> question is whether the front shims will fit the rear calipers.
We
do
> have an extra set of front shims, but I do not think that they'll
> fit. Anyone with actual knowledge of this bit of stock brake
trivia??
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 07:40:38 -0800
From: Scott Mead Photography <scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Dennis Fugnetti RIP...
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Such sad news. I?ve know Dennis since I was a kid. I have vivid
memories of Dennis, blasting past my grandfather and I, on a trek to
Monterey in the ?80s - twin turbos at full song. He was an amazing
photographer, and one of my inspirations to shoot vehicles myself. His
sense of lighting, scale and design is unparalleled. He could make an
ugly duckling look like a prince, and a Countach the lust of every boy
that could afford a poster. His rear-quarter shot of a Lamborghini
Miura that was posted last year, captured the complete essence of the
car in a single shot.
Aside from being a fantastic shooter, he was true car guy and one of
the nicest people I?ve ever met. RIP, Dennis. Keep those turbos spoiled
at full song.
Sent from my iPhone
>> On Jan 29, 2020, at 1:14 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> ? All,
>
> Those who were around in the 80s may remember the name Dennis
Fugnetti.
> He was a well-known fine arts automotive photographer in Southern
> California, who owned an exquisite twin-turbo Pantera. He produced
> several posters featuring his car (one inexplicably including
stylized
> representations of a polished Mangusta wheel?), and his car was
> featured on the cover and inside the first really fine book on the
> marque, Panteras For The Road by Henry Rasmussen:
>
> [cid:ABB23469-668F-4040-BBCB-D55370791076-L0-001]
> [cid:C26B6DC1-4F99-4A95-8849-A4C416ACC38F-L0-001]
> [cid:EAC00BF7-F951-40B3-AAD5-1FBB3B1C97F3-L0-001]
> [cid:7CF1991B-0F9C-4ED5-BB89-DD0E5954A82F-L0-001]
>
> Jeff Maxwell informed me the other day that Dennis has passed away.
His
> business lives on, shared with his daughter:
>
> [1]https://www.fugnettiimages.com/page/about2
>
> I only met him once, at Concorso Italiano long after he sold his
> Pantera. He was much younger than I was expecting him to be, not
all
> that much older than me. He was also extremely friendly and
personable.
> My condolences to his family for what has to have been an untimely
> passing. :(
>
> I once found his old Pantera rotting at a used car lot in Monterey,
> sitting outdoors. This was in the early 1990s. The beautiful
polished
> engine looked like crap as the elements had taken their
> toll--everything was corroded. I took it for a test drive and it
ran
> like crap too. The turbos weren't dialed in so it ran terribly,
then
> spectacularly overheated and blew its water all over the place. We
> barely made it back to the dealer. It had been a fine car when he
> owned it, so it's sad the subsequent owner or owners really let it
fall
> apart.
>
> It was later bought by a Silicon Valley guy who retrofitted a
standard
> motor, then quickly tired of it and sold it to buy a Ferrari 308
from
> the divorcing Lee Majors and Farrah Fawcett-Majors. I then lost
touch
> with it. I think it's still floating around in So-Cal?
>
> Spare Dennis a thought each time you admire his timeless poster,
which
> many, many of us have hanging on our walls.....
>
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
>
> References
>
> 1. https://www.fugnettiimages.com/page/about2
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 08:28:27 -0800
From: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
To: Scott Mead Photography <scott at scottmeadphotography.com>, Mike Drew
<MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Cc: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Dennis Fugnetti RIP...
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Best said, only coming from Scott
?On 1/31/20, 7:40 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography"
<detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
Such sad news. I?ve know Dennis since I was a kid. I have vivid
memories of Dennis, blasting past my grandfather and I, on a trek to
Monterey in the ?80s - twin turbos at full song. He was an amazing
photographer, and one of my inspirations to shoot vehicles myself. His
sense of lighting, scale and design is unparalleled. He could make an
ugly duckling look like a prince, and a Countach the lust of every boy
that could afford a poster. His rear-quarter shot of a Lamborghini
Miura that was posted last year, captured the complete essence of the
car in a single shot.
Aside from being a fantastic shooter, he was true car guy and one
of the nicest people I?ve ever met. RIP, Dennis. Keep those turbos
spoiled at full song.
Sent from my iPhone
>> On Jan 29, 2020, at 1:14 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> ? All,
>
> Those who were around in the 80s may remember the name Dennis
Fugnetti.
> He was a well-known fine arts automotive photographer in
Southern
> California, who owned an exquisite twin-turbo Pantera. He
produced
> several posters featuring his car (one inexplicably including
stylized
> representations of a polished Mangusta wheel?), and his car was
> featured on the cover and inside the first really fine book on
the
> marque, Panteras For The Road by Henry Rasmussen:
>
> [cid:ABB23469-668F-4040-BBCB-D55370791076-L0-001]
> [cid:C26B6DC1-4F99-4A95-8849-A4C416ACC38F-L0-001]
> [cid:EAC00BF7-F951-40B3-AAD5-1FBB3B1C97F3-L0-001]
> [cid:7CF1991B-0F9C-4ED5-BB89-DD0E5954A82F-L0-001]
>
> Jeff Maxwell informed me the other day that Dennis has passed
away. His
> business lives on, shared with his daughter:
>
> [1]https://www.fugnettiimages.com/page/about2
>
> I only met him once, at Concorso Italiano long after he sold
his
> Pantera. He was much younger than I was expecting him to be,
not all
> that much older than me. He was also extremely friendly and
personable.
> My condolences to his family for what has to have been an
untimely
> passing. :(
>
> I once found his old Pantera rotting at a used car lot in
Monterey,
> sitting outdoors. This was in the early 1990s. The beautiful
polished
> engine looked like crap as the elements had taken their
> toll--everything was corroded. I took it for a test drive and
it ran
> like crap too. The turbos weren't dialed in so it ran
terribly, then
> spectacularly overheated and blew its water all over the place.
We
> barely made it back to the dealer. It had been a fine car when
he
> owned it, so it's sad the subsequent owner or owners really let
it fall
> apart.
>
> It was later bought by a Silicon Valley guy who retrofitted a
standard
> motor, then quickly tired of it and sold it to buy a Ferrari
308 from
> the divorcing Lee Majors and Farrah Fawcett-Majors. I then lost
touch
> with it. I think it's still floating around in So-Cal?
>
> Spare Dennis a thought each time you admire his timeless
poster, which
> many, many of us have hanging on our walls.....
>
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
>
> References
>
> 1. https://www.fugnettiimages.com/page/about2
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I read that Evans coolant has a lower heat capacity than water and the
engine runs hotter. Have you seen any heat issues?
Ken
On Friday, January 31, 2020, 11:05:24 AM PST, Owen Cooke
<owen at tadhgcooke.com> wrote:
We are using waterless coolant now and it is a permanent solution to
boiling and corrosion Evans is the maker and a life saver
Owen cooke dublin
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1. Re: Radiator (Jack Donahue)
2. Fwd: Aluminum vs brass (Jack Donahue)
3. Re: Dennis Fugnetti RIP... (Bob)
4. Re: Nice Yellow '71 Flat Deck in Portland, OR on BaT. - Sold
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6. Techno question: stock rear brake shims (Charles Engles)
7. Re: Techno question: stock rear brake shims (Mike Drew)
8. Re: Techno question: stock rear brake shims (Mike Drew)
9. Re: Techno question: stock rear brake shims (Doug)
10. Re: Techno question: stock rear brake shims (Julian Kift)
11. Re: Techno question: stock rear brake shims (Charles Engles)
12. Re: Techno question: stock rear brake shims (Curt Hall)
13. Re: Techno question: stock rear brake shims (Charles Engles)
14. Re: Dennis Fugnetti RIP... (Scott Mead Photography)
15. Re: Dennis Fugnetti RIP... (Larry Stock)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 09:35:04 -0800
From: Jack Donahue <[7]demongusta at gmail.com>
To: Jim Wallace <[8]pantera_4220 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "[9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator
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FWIW - No Rosion is used for copper/brass rads - HyperKuhl for
aluminum.
> On Jan 30, 2020, at 5:39 AM, Jim Wallace via DeTomaso
<[12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> I concur with Jack, replaced mine with aluminum fluidyne and it
worked just fine.
>
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 29, 2020, at 23:29, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
<[13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>
>> ? IMHO you will get more cooling with any aluminum radiator
because they
>> typically use 4X size tubes inside. Copper radiators cannot use
such
>> huge inner tubes so their water flow & heat transfer is limited.
I
>> recommend an aluminum Fluidyne which is a drop in replacement,
weighs
>> less than half the stock unit and holds more water. It MUST be
handled
>> carefully as soft aluminum strips threads easily and coolant MUST
be
>> kept around pH 12. 'No-Rosion' additive is often included with
>> aluminum radiators from vendors. Some local tap water is as
acidic
as
>> soda pop and will wreck a new aluminum rad in weeks. I don't
think
>> Ford, GM or Chrysler has used a brass rad, even in trucks, in
this
>> century.
>> The Fluidyne can also be leaned fwd for convenience in working on
a
far
>> more efficient shrouded sucker fan system like the Flexilite. Our
>> Fluidyne/Flexilite combo has done outstanding duty since 1995 and
still
>> doesn't leak. From city driving , desert cruising to full-on open
>> track. Worked for me- J DeRyke
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Himes, Terry (US 397C) via DeTomaso
>> <[14]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> To: [15]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
<[16]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 6:51 pm
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Radiator
>> Hall is out of radiators. I heard they had the best. My original
>> radiator needs to be replaced.
>> About the only thing I have not replaced, and it has always
worked
>> extremely well, even with
>> many trips to the Vegas POCA events and all the fun-runs.
>> Anyone know of another source of a drop-in replacement. I don't
want
>> to do anything crazy.
>> (all tubes replaced with stainless steel long-ago)
>> Thanks.
>> Terry
>> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
>> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
>> Terry W. Himes
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>> i>>?On 1/29/20, 6:37 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of
>> [2][18]charlesmccall at gmail.com"
>> <[3][19]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>> [4][20]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I realize that none of us are answering the question of where
to
>> buy parts, and all of us are commenting the part that he already
has
>> decided, but...
>>
>> My conclusion after reading all the discussions over the
years
is
>> that the optimal location depends on the typical operating
conditions
>> of the car. The stock location is probably better for cruising
around
>> town, or for up to medium-speed trips. The stock condenser fans
can
>> pull in enough air to cool effectively and the radiator isn't
>> obstructed during what is probably the most difficult condition
to
keep
>> cool. The front-mounted option is better if you spend most of
your
time
>> at higher highway speeds, since above X mph, it's been widely
published
>> that a vacuum starts to form behind the condenser, and the higher
the
>> speed, the more it struggles to get air through it. At higher
speeds,
>> there's no issue with engine cooling since the airflow is enough
to
>> cool the radiator and the condenser, while it might struggle with
this
>> task if it was only the fan during driving around town.
>>
>> In my particular case, if I had it to do over I'd put it up
front.
>> Most of my use consists of driving from one part of Europe to
another
>> at European highway speeds. Or travelling 5-6 hours away within
the
>> same country to attend some event, but at higher speed to reach
the
>> place. I could deal with the AC off in the worst case if
necessary
>> during the puttering around in town until I got on the highway,
which
>> is when wind noise becomes an issue in any case. In summary,
neither
>> system is perfect for all conditions, so you pick the system
based
on
>> your typical conditions.
>>
>> My two rupees
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: DeTomaso
<[5][21]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On
>> Behalf Of R.J.
>> Sent: jueves, 30 de enero de 2020 2:10
>> To: [6][22]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Parts List & Sources for Pantera AC
>> Installation
>>
>> If done right, a front condenser works way better that the
stock
>> system.
>> The correct o-ring style pick ups can be soldierd on the
stock
>> evaproator.
>>
>> Roland, who is running a front condersers since 25 years on
several
>> Panteras.
>>
>>> Am 29.01.2020 um 21:32 schrieb Mike Drew via DeTomaso:
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> The Space City Pantera guys just discussed this on their forum in
>> the past few weeks including talk of superior hoses with
quick-connect
>> fittings.
>>>
>>> Contact John Taphorn for the specifics.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On Jan 29, 2020, at 11:02, Mike & Elizabeth Thomas
>> <[7][23]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> One of the major upgrades I plan to do to 6328 will be
>> installation of
>>>> AC - she's never had it and my lovely passenger said she
>> won't take
>>>> another long summer cruise without it. OK then . . .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I know this is a hotly debated subject, but I've decided to
>> go with a
>>>> front-mounted condenser. That said, I will need the entire
>> setup from
>>>> A-Z including all hose runs, mechanical parts, electrical
>> switches
>>>> (thinking of going with John Haas Pantera Electronics AC
>> controller)
>>>> and other bits & bobs. During the restoration, I'll have the
>> dash out
>>>> so will be able to make any needed changes/upgrades to any of
>> the parts
>>>> under the dash.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can somebody help me start getting a list of all parts needed
>> and where
>>>> I would source them?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks very much!
>>>>
>>>> Mike Thomas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Our email address has changed: Please use
>> [1][8][24]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com for
>>>> all new messages, thanks!
>>>>
>>>> References
>>>>
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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 09:35:34 -0800
From: Jack Donahue <[59]demongusta at gmail.com>
To: "[60]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[61]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Aluminum vs brass
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> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: Jay Ross <[63]norosion at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: Aluminum vs brass
> Date: January 30, 2020 at 9:15:32 AM PST
> To: [64]demongusta at gmail.com
>
>
> Hi Jack,
>
> We recommend HyperKuhl for aluminum radiators, and No-Rosion for
copper/brass radiators.
>
> Thank you,
>
> -Jay
>
> --
> Jay Ross
> Applied Chemical Specialties, Inc.
> [65]jross at norosion.com | 847-477-9262 (T) | 402-390-9262 (F)
>
> ASTM D15 Engine Coolants | D02 Petroleum/Fuels | Member #426562
> SAE Society of Automotive Engineers | Member #6135528286
>
> www.norosion.com | Leading Engine Fluid Technologies
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack Donahue <[66]demongusta at gmail.com>
> To: info <[67]info at NoRosion.com>
> Sent: Thu, Jan 30, 2020 8:09 am
> Subject: Aluminum vs brass
>
> Which product additive is better with aluminum vs brass radiators?
I?ve heard lots of controversy.
> John Donahue
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From: Jay Ross <[1][68]norosion at aol.com>
Subject: Re: Aluminum vs brass
Date: January 30, 2020 at 9:15:32 AM PST
To: [2][69]demongusta at gmail.com
Hi Jack,
We recommend HyperKuhl for aluminum radiators, and No-Rosion for
copper/brass radiators.
Thank you,
-Jay
--
Jay Ross
Applied Chemical Specialties, Inc.
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ASTM D15 Engine Coolants | D02 Petroleum/Fuels | Member #426562
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From: Jack Donahue <[5][71]demongusta at gmail.com>
To: info <[6][72]info at NoRosion.com>
Sent: Thu, Jan 30, 2020 8:09 am
Subject: Aluminum vs brass
Which product additive is better with aluminum vs brass
radiators?
I've
heard lots of controversy.
John Donahue
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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 18:03:50 +0000 (UTC)
From: Bob <[79]p6746 at aol.com>
To: [80]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Dennis Fugnetti RIP...
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I also have the poster of image 0 at the entrance to my office, which
I
see and smile at several time a day.? In fact I used his car the
basis
for what I wanted to do to our car during restoration in the 80's and
90's. RIP Dennis.? Bob Reid
In a message dated 1/29/2020 4:28:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[82]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com writes:
? I got the poster you have as image0 in like 1985, and it still
graces
? the wall of my study / man cave. It was probably partly responsible
for
? my buying a Pantera
? RIP
? -----Original Message-----
? From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[83]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
? To: De Tomaso Forum <[84]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
? Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 1:14 pm
? Subject: [DeTomaso] Dennis Fugnetti RIP...
? ? All,
? ? Those who were around in the 80s may remember the name Dennis
? Fugnetti.
? ? ? He was a well-known fine arts automotive photographer in
Southern
? ? California, who owned an exquisite twin-turbo Pantera. He
produced
? ? several posters featuring his car (one inexplicably including
? stylized
? ? representations of a polished Mangusta wheel?), and his car was
? ? featured on the cover and inside the first really fine book on
the
? ? marque, Panteras For The Road by Henry Rasmussen:
? ? [cid:ABB23469-668F-4040-BBCB-D55370791076-L0-001]
? ? [cid:C26B6DC1-4F99-4A95-8849-A4C416ACC38F-L0-001]
? ? [cid:EAC00BF7-F951-40B3-AAD5-1FBB3B1C97F3-L0-001]
? ? [cid:7CF1991B-0F9C-4ED5-BB89-DD0E5954A82F-L0-001]
? ? Jeff Maxwell informed me the other day that Dennis has passed
away.
? His
? ? business lives on, shared with his daughter:
? ? [1][1][85]https://www.fugnettiimages.com/page/about2
? ? I only met him once, at Concorso Italiano long after he sold his
? ? Pantera. He was much younger than I was expecting him to be, not
all
? ? that much older than me. He was also extremely friendly and
? personable.
? ? My condolences to his family for what has to have been an
untimely
? ? passing. :(
? ? I once found his old Pantera rotting at a used car lot in
Monterey,
? ? sitting outdoors. This was in the early 1990s. The beautiful
polished
? ? engine looked like crap as the elements had taken their
? ? toll--everything was corroded.? I took it for a test drive and it
ran
? ? like crap too.? The turbos weren't dialed in so it ran terribly,
then
? ? spectacularly overheated and blew its water all over the place.
We
? ? barely made it back to the dealer.? It had been a fine car when
he
? ? owned it, so it's sad the subsequent owner or owners really let
it
? fall
? ? apart.
? ? It was later bought by a Silicon Valley guy who retrofitted a
? standard
? ? motor, then quickly tired of it and sold it to buy a Ferrari 308
from
? ? the divorcing Lee Majors and Farrah Fawcett-Majors. I then lost
touch
? ? with it. I think it's still floating around in So-Cal?
? ? Spare Dennis a thought each time you admire his timeless poster,
? which
? ? many, many of us have hanging on our walls.....
? ? Mike
? ? Sent from my iPad
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I also have the poster of image 0 at the entrance to my office,
which I
see and smile at several time a day. In fact I used his car the
basis
for what I wanted to do to our car during restoration in the 80's
and
90's. RIP Dennis. Bob Reid
In a message dated 1/29/2020 4:28:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[95]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com writes:
I got the poster you have as image0 in like 1985, and it still
graces
the wall of my study / man cave. It was probably partly
responsible
for
my buying a Pantera
RIP
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<[1][96]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
To: De Tomaso Forum <[2][97]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 1:14 pm
Subject: [DeTomaso] Dennis Fugnetti RIP...
All,
Those who were around in the 80s may remember the name Dennis
Fugnetti.
He was a well-known fine arts automotive photographer in
Southern
California, who owned an exquisite twin-turbo Pantera. He
produced
several posters featuring his car (one inexplicably including
stylized
representations of a polished Mangusta wheel?), and his car
was
featured on the cover and inside the first really fine book
on
the
marque, Panteras For The Road by Henry Rasmussen:
[cid:ABB23469-668F-4040-BBCB-D55370791076-L0-001]
[cid:C26B6DC1-4F99-4A95-8849-A4C416ACC38F-L0-001]
[cid:EAC00BF7-F951-40B3-AAD5-1FBB3B1C97F3-L0-001]
[cid:7CF1991B-0F9C-4ED5-BB89-DD0E5954A82F-L0-001]
Jeff Maxwell informed me the other day that Dennis has passed
away.
His
business lives on, shared with his daughter:
[1][1][3][98]https://www.fugnettiimages.com/page/about2
I only met him once, at Concorso Italiano long after he sold
his
Pantera. He was much younger than I was expecting him to be,
not
all
that much older than me. He was also extremely friendly and
personable.
My condolences to his family for what has to have been an
untimely
passing. :(
I once found his old Pantera rotting at a used car lot in
Monterey,
sitting outdoors. This was in the early 1990s. The beautiful
polished
engine looked like crap as the elements had taken their
toll--everything was corroded. I took it for a test drive
and
it
ran
like crap too. The turbos weren't dialed in so it ran
terribly,
then
spectacularly overheated and blew its water all over the
place.
We
barely made it back to the dealer. It had been a fine car
when
he
owned it, so it's sad the subsequent owner or owners really
let
it
fall
apart.
It was later bought by a Silicon Valley guy who retrofitted a
standard
motor, then quickly tired of it and sold it to buy a Ferrari
308
from
the divorcing Lee Majors and Farrah Fawcett-Majors. I then
lost
touch
with it. I think it's still floating around in So-Cal?
Spare Dennis a thought each time you admire his timeless
poster,
which
many, many of us have hanging on our walls.....
Mike
Sent from my iPad
References
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 11:53:33 -0800
From: "Mike Thomas" <[120]mbefthomas at comcast.net>
To: "'Mike & Elizabeth Thomas'" <[121]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>,
<[122]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nice Yellow '71 Flat Deck in Portland, OR on
BaT. - Sold at $111K
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Well sold.
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To: [124]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Nice Yellow '71 Flat Deck in Portland, OR on BaT.
Currently at $82K.
<[125]https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-detomaso-pantera-43/>
[126]https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-detomaso-pantera-43/
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 20:51:55 +0000
From: "Himes, Terry (US 397C)" <[129]terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov>
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<[131]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] [EXTERNAL] Re: Nice Yellow '71 Flat Deck in
Portland, OR on BaT. - Sold at $111K
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BaT Yellow Pantera sold for $111k. today. yippee
Yellow one's always rule!! __
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
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Well sold.
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Currently at $82K.
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[139]https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-detomaso-pantera-43/
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 17:12:01 -0600
From: "Charles Engles" <[145]cengles at cox.net>
To: <[146]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock rear brake shims
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Dear Forum,
An Oklahoma Pantera owner bought a set of re-built
brakes
from
one of our vendors, who is gone until next week. The problem is that
the
stock shims for the rear calipers were not shipped. The dumb
question
is
whether the front shims will fit the rear calipers. We do have an
extra set
of front shims, but I do not think that they'll fit. Anyone with
actual
knowledge of this bit of stock brake trivia??
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
-------------- next part --------------
Dear Forum,
An Oklahoma Pantera owner bought a set of re-built
brakes
from one of our vendors, who is gone until next week. The
problem
is
that the stock shims for the rear calipers were not shipped. The
dumb
question is whether the front shims will fit the rear calipers.
We
do
have an extra set of front shims, but I do not think that they'll
fit. Anyone with actual knowledge of this bit of stock brake
trivia??
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
------------------------------
Message: 7
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 16:15:26 -0800
From: Mike Drew <[147]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: Charles Engles <[148]cengles at cox.net>
Cc: [149]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock rear brake shims
Message-ID: <[150]B4A76F89-90C8-4699-B491-F27004732BD8 at aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Chuck,
Two things:
1). Front and rear caliper bolt spacing is different. You can't put a
front anything on the rear.
2). Rear calipers don't have shims. :)
Both front and rear have locking tabs which go immediately underneath
the head of the mounting bolts, but they are not shims. They have
tabs
which are bent up to prevent bolt rotation. Front calipers also have
shims between caliper and upright which spaces the caliper inboard by
the thickness of the shim.
The caliper locking tabs for the GT5 (which has different calipers
with
different bolt spacing for the different spindles/rear uprights) are
very cheap. However the ones for the early cars are obscenely
expensive
for what they are.
Look at Wilkinson's website for exploded drawings and associated
parts
descriptions with eye-watering prices for the locking tabs....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 30, 2020, at 15:12, Charles Engles <[151]cengles at cox.net>
wrote:
>
> Dear Forum,
>
>
> An Oklahoma Pantera owner bought a set of re-built
brakes
> from one of our vendors, who is gone until next week. The problem
is
> that the stock shims for the rear calipers were not shipped. The
dumb
> question is whether the front shims will fit the rear calipers.
We
do
> have an extra set of front shims, but I do not think that they'll
> fit. Anyone with actual knowledge of this bit of stock brake
trivia??
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 16:15:26 -0800
From: Mike Drew <[154]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: Charles Engles <[155]cengles at cox.net>
Cc: [156]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock rear brake shims
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Chuck,
Two things:
1). Front and rear caliper bolt spacing is different. You can't put a
front anything on the rear.
2). Rear calipers don't have shims. :)
Both front and rear have locking tabs which go immediately underneath
the head of the mounting bolts, but they are not shims. They have
tabs
which are bent up to prevent bolt rotation. Front calipers also have
shims between caliper and upright which spaces the caliper inboard by
the thickness of the shim.
The caliper locking tabs for the GT5 (which has different calipers
with
different bolt spacing for the different spindles/rear uprights) are
very cheap. However the ones for the early cars are obscenely
expensive
for what they are.
Look at Wilkinson's website for exploded drawings and associated
parts
descriptions with eye-watering prices for the locking tabs....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 30, 2020, at 15:12, Charles Engles <[158]cengles at cox.net>
wrote:
>
> Dear Forum,
>
>
> An Oklahoma Pantera owner bought a set of re-built
brakes
> from one of our vendors, who is gone until next week. The problem
is
> that the stock shims for the rear calipers were not shipped. The
dumb
> question is whether the front shims will fit the rear calipers.
We
do
> have an extra set of front shims, but I do not think that they'll
> fit. Anyone with actual knowledge of this bit of stock brake
trivia??
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 16:36:54 -0800
From: "Doug" <[161]doug351c at gmail.com>
To: "'Charles Engles'" <[162]cengles at cox.net>,
<[163]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock rear brake shims
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Chuck,
The front spacers will definitely NOT fit the rear.
The fronts have a 76mm bolt spacing while the rears have a 60mm
spacing.
Doug Braun
Blue 73L #5505
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On
Behalf
Of Charles Engles
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 3:12 PM
To: [165]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock rear brake shims
Dear Forum,
An Oklahoma Pantera owner bought a set of re-built
brakes
from
one of our vendors, who is gone until next week. The problem is that
the
stock shims for the rear calipers were not shipped. The dumb
question
is
whether the front shims will fit the rear calipers. We do have an
extra set
of front shims, but I do not think that they'll fit. Anyone with
actual
knowledge of this bit of stock brake trivia??
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
------------------------------
Message: 10
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 00:47:59 +0000
From: Julian Kift <[166]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: Charles Engles <[167]cengles at cox.net>, Mike Drew
<[168]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Cc: "[169]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<[170]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock rear brake shims
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They would be a fairly easy part to take to a local shop and get a
bunch laser cut, you'd have thought a vendor would have been all over
this as the lock tabs are a consumable that weakens after a couple
uses
and the tab breaks off. The caliper bolt spacing isn't that uncommon
of
the era, surely someone must sell equivalent lock tabs that don't
come
in a De Tomaso plastic bag....?
Alternatively one could drill the bolt heads for safety wiring, or
purchase pre-drilled bolts. The second option may be more expensive
than new lock tabs in the short term, but almost infinitely reusable.
Julian
________________________________
From: DeTomaso <[172]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf of
Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[173]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 4:15 PM
To: Charles Engles <[174]cengles at cox.net>
Cc: [175]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
<[176]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock rear brake shims
Chuck,
Two things:
1). Front and rear caliper bolt spacing is different. You can't put a
front anything on the rear.
2). Rear calipers don't have shims. :)
Both front and rear have locking tabs which go immediately underneath
the head of the mounting bolts, but they are not shims. They have
tabs
which are bent up to prevent bolt rotation. Front calipers also have
shims between caliper and upright which spaces the caliper inboard by
the thickness of the shim.
The caliper locking tabs for the GT5 (which has different calipers
with
different bolt spacing for the different spindles/rear uprights) are
very cheap. However the ones for the early cars are obscenely
expensive
for what they are.
Look at Wilkinson's website for exploded drawings and associated
parts
descriptions with eye-watering prices for the locking tabs....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 30, 2020, at 15:12, Charles Engles <[177]cengles at cox.net>
wrote:
>
> Dear Forum,
>
>
> An Oklahoma Pantera owner bought a set of re-built
brakes
> from one of our vendors, who is gone until next week. The problem
is
> that the stock shims for the rear calipers were not shipped. The
dumb
> question is whether the front shims will fit the rear calipers.
We
do
> have an extra set of front shims, but I do not think that they'll
> fit. Anyone with actual knowledge of this bit of stock brake
trivia??
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
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They would be a fairly easy part to take to a local shop and get
a
bunch laser cut, you'd have thought a vendor would have been all
over
this as the lock tabs are a consumable that weakens after a
couple
uses
and the tab breaks off. The caliper bolt spacing isn't that
uncommon
of
the era, surely someone must sell equivalent lock tabs that don't
come
in a De Tomaso plastic bag....?
Alternatively one could drill the bolt heads for safety wiring,
or
purchase pre-drilled bolts. The second option may be more
expensive
than new lock tabs in the short term, but almost infinitely
reusable.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <[182]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf
of
Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[183]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 4:15 PM
To: Charles Engles <[184]cengles at cox.net>
Cc: [185]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
<[186]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock rear brake shims
Chuck,
Two things:
1). Front and rear caliper bolt spacing is different. You can't
put
a
front anything on the rear.
2). Rear calipers don't have shims. :)
Both front and rear have locking tabs which go immediately
underneath
the head of the mounting bolts, but they are not shims. They have
tabs
which are bent up to prevent bolt rotation. Front calipers also
have
shims between caliper and upright which spaces the caliper
inboard
by
the thickness of the shim.
The caliper locking tabs for the GT5 (which has different
calipers
with
different bolt spacing for the different spindles/rear uprights)
are
very cheap. However the ones for the early cars are obscenely
expensive
for what they are.
Look at Wilkinson's website for exploded drawings and associated
parts
descriptions with eye-watering prices for the locking tabs....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 30, 2020, at 15:12, Charles Engles
<[187]cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>
> Dear Forum,
>
>
> An Oklahoma Pantera owner bought a set of
re-built
brakes
> from one of our vendors, who is gone until next week. The
problem
is
> that the stock shims for the rear calipers were not shipped.
The
dumb
> question is whether the front shims will fit the rear
calipers.
We
do
> have an extra set of front shims, but I do not think that
they'll
> fit. Anyone with actual knowledge of this bit of stock brake
trivia??
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 19:15:51 -0600
From: "Charles Engles" <[194]cengles at cox.net>
To: "'Mike Drew'" <[195]MikeLDrew at aol.com>,
<[196]doug351c at gmail.com>, "'Julian
Kift'" <[197]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: [198]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock rear brake shims
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Dear Mike, Doug and Julian,
Thanks for the help. The brake install is back on
track.
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Drew [mailto:[199]MikeLDrew at aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 6:15 PM
To: Charles Engles
Cc: [200]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock rear brake shims
Chuck,
Two things:
1). Front and rear caliper bolt spacing is different. You can't put a
front
anything on the rear.
2). Rear calipers don't have shims. :)
Both front and rear have locking tabs which go immediately underneath
the
head of the mounting bolts, but they are not shims. They have tabs
which are
bent up to prevent bolt rotation. Front calipers also have shims
between
caliper and upright which spaces the caliper inboard by the thickness
of the
shim.
The caliper locking tabs for the GT5 (which has different calipers
with
different bolt spacing for the different spindles/rear uprights) are
very
cheap. However the ones for the early cars are obscenely expensive
for
what
they are.
Look at Wilkinson's website for exploded drawings and associated
parts
descriptions with eye-watering prices for the locking tabs....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 30, 2020, at 15:12, Charles Engles <[201]cengles at cox.net>
wrote:
>
> Dear Forum,
>
>
> An Oklahoma Pantera owner bought a set of re-built
brakes
> from one of our vendors, who is gone until next week. The problem
is
> that the stock shims for the rear calipers were not shipped. The
dumb
> question is whether the front shims will fit the rear calipers.
We
do
> have an extra set of front shims, but I do not think that they'll
> fit. Anyone with actual knowledge of this bit of stock brake
trivia??
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 02:58:13 +0000 (UTC)
From: Curt Hall <[204]cuvee at sbcglobal.net>
To: Charles Engles <[205]cengles at cox.net>, Mike Drew
<[206]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Cc: [207]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock rear brake shims
Message-ID: <[208]1126293398.505520.1580439493933 at mail.yahoo.com>
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Interesting...Always Wonder why People didn't Front Brakes on the
Rear!
Even with a Custom Bracket?
On Thursday, January 30, 2020, 04:15:51 PM PST, Mike Drew via
DeTomaso <[209]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Chuck,
Two things:
1). Front and rear caliper bolt spacing is different. You can't put a
front anything on the rear.
2). Rear calipers don't have shims. :)
Both front and rear have locking tabs which go immediately underneath
the head of the mounting bolts, but they are not shims. They have
tabs
which are bent up to prevent bolt rotation. Front calipers also have
shims between caliper and upright which spaces the caliper inboard by
the thickness of the shim.
The caliper locking tabs for the GT5 (which has different calipers
with
different bolt spacing for the different spindles/rear uprights) are
very cheap. However the ones for the early cars are obscenely
expensive
for what they are.
Look at Wilkinson's website for exploded drawings and associated
parts
descriptions with eye-watering prices for the locking tabs....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 30, 2020, at 15:12, Charles Engles <[210]cengles at cox.net>
wrote:
>
>? Dear Forum,
>
>
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? An Oklahoma Pantera owner bought a set of re-built
brakes
>? from one of our vendors, who is gone until next week.? The problem
is
>? that the stock shims for the rear calipers were not shipped.? The
dumb
>? question is whether the front shims will fit the rear calipers.?
We
do
>? have an extra set of front shims, but I do not think that they'll
>? fit.? Anyone with actual knowledge of this bit of stock brake
trivia??
>
>
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Warmest regards,? Chuck Engles
>
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Interesting...Always Wonder why People didn't Front Brakes on the
Rear!
Even with a Custom Bracket?
On Thursday, January 30, 2020, 04:15:51 PM PST, Mike Drew via
DeTomaso
<[215]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Chuck,
Two things:
1). Front and rear caliper bolt spacing is different. You can't
put
a
front anything on the rear.
2). Rear calipers don't have shims. :)
Both front and rear have locking tabs which go immediately
underneath
the head of the mounting bolts, but they are not shims. They have
tabs
which are bent up to prevent bolt rotation. Front calipers also
have
shims between caliper and upright which spaces the caliper
inboard
by
the thickness of the shim.
The caliper locking tabs for the GT5 (which has different
calipers
with
different bolt spacing for the different spindles/rear uprights)
are
very cheap. However the ones for the early cars are obscenely
expensive
for what they are.
Look at Wilkinson's website for exploded drawings and associated
parts
descriptions with eye-watering prices for the locking tabs....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 30, 2020, at 15:12, Charles Engles
<[1][216]cengles at cox.net>
wrote:
>
> Dear Forum,
>
>
> An Oklahoma Pantera owner bought a set of
re-built
brakes
> from one of our vendors, who is gone until next week. The
problem
is
> that the stock shims for the rear calipers were not shipped.
The
dumb
> question is whether the front shims will fit the rear
calipers.
We
do
> have an extra set of front shims, but I do not think that
they'll
> fit. Anyone with actual knowledge of this bit of stock brake
trivia??
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 21:36:18 -0600
From: "Charles Engles" <[226]cengles at cox.net>
To: "'Curt Hall'" <[227]cuvee at sbcglobal.net>, "'Mike Drew'"
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Cc: [229]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock rear brake shims
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Dear Curt,
Good question. I do not know the answer.
I do recall the rear brake mod of the eighties to put a
second rear caliper on the rear. It didn?t catch on, but some people
were trying to get more brake power on the rear brake rotors and they
used a second small stock rear caliper rather than a front one as you
suggest. I suspect that the obstacle is space for a caliper the size
of the front plus custom mount plus the cable actuated parking brake.
That is my guess which awaits factual refutation. FWIW.
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
From: Curt Hall [mailto:[230]cuvee at sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 8:58 PM
To: Charles Engles; Mike Drew
Cc: [231]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock rear brake shims
Interesting...Always Wonder why People didn't Front Brakes on the
Rear!
Even with a Custom Bracket?
On Thursday, January 30, 2020, 04:15:51 PM PST, Mike Drew via
DeTomaso
<[232]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Chuck,
Two things:
1). Front and rear caliper bolt spacing is different. You can't put a
front anything on the rear.
2). Rear calipers don't have shims. :)
Both front and rear have locking tabs which go immediately underneath
the head of the mounting bolts, but they are not shims. They have
tabs
which are bent up to prevent bolt rotation. Front calipers also have
shims between caliper and upright which spaces the caliper inboard by
the thickness of the shim.
The caliper locking tabs for the GT5 (which has different calipers
with
different bolt spacing for the different spindles/rear uprights) are
very cheap. However the ones for the early cars are obscenely
expensive
for what they are.
Look at Wilkinson's website for exploded drawings and associated
parts
descriptions with eye-watering prices for the locking tabs....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 30, 2020, at 15:12, Charles Engles <[233]cengles at cox.net>
wrote:
>
> Dear Forum,
>
>
> An Oklahoma Pantera owner bought a set of re-built
brakes
> from one of our vendors, who is gone until next week. The problem
is
> that the stock shims for the rear calipers were not shipped. The
dumb
> question is whether the front shims will fit the rear calipers.
We
do
> have an extra set of front shims, but I do not think that they'll
> fit. Anyone with actual knowledge of this bit of stock brake
trivia??
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
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Dear Curt,
Good question. I do not know the answer.
I do recall the rear brake mod of the eighties to put
a
second rear caliper on the rear. It didn't catch on, but some
people
were trying to get more brake power on the rear brake rotors and
they
used a second small stock rear caliper rather than a front one as
you
suggest. I suspect that the obstacle is space for a caliper the
size
of the front plus custom mount plus the cable actuated parking
brake.
That is my guess which awaits factual refutation.
FWIW.
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
From: Curt Hall [mailto:[238]cuvee at sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 8:58 PM
To: Charles Engles; Mike Drew
Cc: [239]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno question: stock rear brake shims
Interesting...Always Wonder why People didn't Front Brakes on the
Rear!
Even with a Custom Bracket?
On Thursday, January 30, 2020, 04:15:51 PM PST, Mike Drew via
DeTomaso
<[240]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Chuck,
Two things:
1). Front and rear caliper bolt spacing is different. You can't
put
a
front anything on the rear.
2). Rear calipers don't have shims. :)
Both front and rear have locking tabs which go immediately
underneath
the head of the mounting bolts, but they are not shims. They have
tabs
which are bent up to prevent bolt rotation. Front calipers also
have
shims between caliper and upright which spaces the caliper
inboard
by
the thickness of the shim.
The caliper locking tabs for the GT5 (which has different
calipers
with
different bolt spacing for the different spindles/rear uprights)
are
very cheap. However the ones for the early cars are obscenely
expensive
for what they are.
Look at Wilkinson's website for exploded drawings and associated
parts
descriptions with eye-watering prices for the locking tabs....
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 30, 2020, at 15:12, Charles Engles
<[1][241]cengles at cox.net>
wrote:
>
> Dear Forum,
>
>
> An Oklahoma Pantera owner bought a set of
re-built
brakes
> from one of our vendors, who is gone until next week. The
problem
is
> that the stock shims for the rear calipers were not shipped.
The
dumb
> question is whether the front shims will fit the rear
calipers.
We
do
> have an extra set of front shims, but I do not think that
they'll
> fit. Anyone with actual knowledge of this bit of stock brake
trivia??
>
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 07:40:38 -0800
From: Scott Mead Photography <[251]scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
To: Mike Drew <[252]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Cc: De Tomaso Forum <[253]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Dennis Fugnetti RIP...
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Such sad news. I?ve know Dennis since I was a kid. I have vivid
memories of Dennis, blasting past my grandfather and I, on a trek to
Monterey in the ?80s - twin turbos at full song. He was an amazing
photographer, and one of my inspirations to shoot vehicles myself.
His
sense of lighting, scale and design is unparalleled. He could make an
ugly duckling look like a prince, and a Countach the lust of every
boy
that could afford a poster. His rear-quarter shot of a Lamborghini
Miura that was posted last year, captured the complete essence of the
car in a single shot.
Aside from being a fantastic shooter, he was true car guy and one of
the nicest people I?ve ever met. RIP, Dennis. Keep those turbos
spoiled
at full song.
Sent from my iPhone
>> On Jan 29, 2020, at 1:14 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<[255]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> ? All,
>
> Those who were around in the 80s may remember the name Dennis
Fugnetti.
> He was a well-known fine arts automotive photographer in
Southern
> California, who owned an exquisite twin-turbo Pantera. He produced
> several posters featuring his car (one inexplicably including
stylized
> representations of a polished Mangusta wheel?), and his car was
> featured on the cover and inside the first really fine book on the
> marque, Panteras For The Road by Henry Rasmussen:
>
> [cid:ABB23469-668F-4040-BBCB-D55370791076-L0-001]
> [cid:C26B6DC1-4F99-4A95-8849-A4C416ACC38F-L0-001]
> [cid:EAC00BF7-F951-40B3-AAD5-1FBB3B1C97F3-L0-001]
> [cid:7CF1991B-0F9C-4ED5-BB89-DD0E5954A82F-L0-001]
>
> Jeff Maxwell informed me the other day that Dennis has passed
away.
His
> business lives on, shared with his daughter:
>
> [1][256]https://www.fugnettiimages.com/page/about2
>
> I only met him once, at Concorso Italiano long after he sold his
> Pantera. He was much younger than I was expecting him to be, not
all
> that much older than me. He was also extremely friendly and
personable.
> My condolences to his family for what has to have been an untimely
> passing. :(
>
> I once found his old Pantera rotting at a used car lot in
Monterey,
> sitting outdoors. This was in the early 1990s. The beautiful
polished
> engine looked like crap as the elements had taken their
> toll--everything was corroded. I took it for a test drive and it
ran
> like crap too. The turbos weren't dialed in so it ran terribly,
then
> spectacularly overheated and blew its water all over the place. We
> barely made it back to the dealer. It had been a fine car when he
> owned it, so it's sad the subsequent owner or owners really let it
fall
> apart.
>
> It was later bought by a Silicon Valley guy who retrofitted a
standard
> motor, then quickly tired of it and sold it to buy a Ferrari 308
from
> the divorcing Lee Majors and Farrah Fawcett-Majors. I then lost
touch
> with it. I think it's still floating around in So-Cal?
>
> Spare Dennis a thought each time you admire his timeless poster,
which
> many, many of us have hanging on our walls.....
>
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
>
> References
>
> 1. [257]https://www.fugnettiimages.com/page/about2
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Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 08:28:27 -0800
From: Larry Stock <[260]larrys at panteraparts.com>
To: Scott Mead Photography <[261]scott at scottmeadphotography.com>,
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Cc: De Tomaso Forum <[263]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Dennis Fugnetti RIP...
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Best said, only coming from Scott
?On 1/31/20, 7:40 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography"
<[265]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[266]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
Such sad news. I?ve know Dennis since I was a kid. I have vivid
memories of Dennis, blasting past my grandfather and I, on a trek to
Monterey in the ?80s - twin turbos at full song. He was an amazing
photographer, and one of my inspirations to shoot vehicles myself.
His
sense of lighting, scale and design is unparalleled. He could make an
ugly duckling look like a prince, and a Countach the lust of every
boy
that could afford a poster. His rear-quarter shot of a Lamborghini
Miura that was posted last year, captured the complete essence of the
car in a single shot.
Aside from being a fantastic shooter, he was true car guy and one
of the nicest people I?ve ever met. RIP, Dennis. Keep those turbos
spoiled at full song.
Sent from my iPhone
>> On Jan 29, 2020, at 1:14 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<[267]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> ? All,
>
> Those who were around in the 80s may remember the name Dennis
Fugnetti.
> He was a well-known fine arts automotive photographer in
Southern
> California, who owned an exquisite twin-turbo Pantera. He
produced
> several posters featuring his car (one inexplicably including
stylized
> representations of a polished Mangusta wheel?), and his car
was
> featured on the cover and inside the first really fine book on
the
> marque, Panteras For The Road by Henry Rasmussen:
>
> [cid:ABB23469-668F-4040-BBCB-D55370791076-L0-001]
> [cid:C26B6DC1-4F99-4A95-8849-A4C416ACC38F-L0-001]
> [cid:EAC00BF7-F951-40B3-AAD5-1FBB3B1C97F3-L0-001]
> [cid:7CF1991B-0F9C-4ED5-BB89-DD0E5954A82F-L0-001]
>
> Jeff Maxwell informed me the other day that Dennis has passed
away. His
> business lives on, shared with his daughter:
>
> [1][268]https://www.fugnettiimages.com/page/about2
>
> I only met him once, at Concorso Italiano long after he sold
his
> Pantera. He was much younger than I was expecting him to be,
not all
> that much older than me. He was also extremely friendly and
personable.
> My condolences to his family for what has to have been an
untimely
> passing. :(
>
> I once found his old Pantera rotting at a used car lot in
Monterey,
> sitting outdoors. This was in the early 1990s. The beautiful
polished
> engine looked like crap as the elements had taken their
> toll--everything was corroded. I took it for a test drive and
it ran
> like crap too. The turbos weren't dialed in so it ran
terribly, then
> spectacularly overheated and blew its water all over the
place.
We
> barely made it back to the dealer. It had been a fine car
when
he
> owned it, so it's sad the subsequent owner or owners really
let
it fall
> apart.
>
> It was later bought by a Silicon Valley guy who retrofitted a
standard
> motor, then quickly tired of it and sold it to buy a Ferrari
308 from
> the divorcing Lee Majors and Farrah Fawcett-Majors. I then
lost
touch
> with it. I think it's still floating around in So-Cal?
>
> Spare Dennis a thought each time you admire his timeless
poster, which
> many, many of us have hanging on our walls.....
>
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
>
> References
>
> 1. [269]https://www.fugnettiimages.com/page/about2
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