[DeTomaso] Radiator

Thu Jan 30 08:39:05 EST 2020

I concur with Jack, replaced mine with aluminum fluidyne and it worked just fine.

Jim 

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> On Jan 29, 2020, at 23:29, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> 
>    IMHO you will get more cooling with any aluminum radiator because they
>   typically use 4X size tubes inside. Copper radiators cannot use such
>   huge inner tubes so their water flow & heat transfer is limited. I
>   recommend an aluminum  Fluidyne which is a drop in replacement, weighs
>   less than half the stock unit and holds more water. It MUST be handled
>   carefully as soft aluminum strips threads easily and coolant MUST be
>   kept around pH 12.  'No-Rosion' additive is often included with
>   aluminum radiators from vendors. Some local tap water is as acidic as
>   soda pop and will wreck a new aluminum rad in weeks. I don't think
>   Ford, GM or Chrysler has used a brass rad, even in trucks, in this
>   century.
>   The Fluidyne can also be leaned fwd for convenience in working on a far
>   more efficient shrouded sucker fan system like the Flexilite. Our
>   Fluidyne/Flexilite combo has done outstanding duty since 1995 and still
>   doesn't leak. From city driving , desert cruising to full-on open
>   track. Worked for me- J DeRyke
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: Himes, Terry (US 397C) via DeTomaso
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>   To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>   Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 6:51 pm
>   Subject: [DeTomaso] Radiator
>   Hall is out of radiators.  I heard they had the best. My original
>   radiator needs to be replaced.
>   About the only thing I have not replaced, and it has always worked
>   extremely well, even with
>   many trips to the Vegas POCA events and all the fun-runs.
>   Anyone know of another source of a drop-in replacement.  I don't want
>   to do anything crazy.
>   (all tubes replaced with stainless steel long-ago)
>   Thanks.
>   Terry
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>   i>>?On 1/29/20, 6:37 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of
>   [2]charlesmccall at gmail.com"
>   <[3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
>   [4]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
>       I realize that none of us are answering the question of where to
>   buy parts, and all of us are commenting the part that he already has
>   decided, but...
> 
>       My conclusion after reading all the discussions over the years is
>   that the optimal location depends on the typical operating conditions
>   of the car. The stock location is probably better for cruising around
>   town, or for up to medium-speed trips. The stock condenser fans can
>   pull in enough air to cool effectively and the radiator isn't
>   obstructed during what is probably the most difficult condition to keep
>   cool. The front-mounted option is better if you spend most of your time
>   at higher highway speeds, since above X mph, it's been widely published
>   that a vacuum starts to form behind the condenser, and the higher the
>   speed, the more it struggles to get air through it. At higher speeds,
>   there's no issue with engine cooling since the airflow is enough to
>   cool the radiator and the condenser, while it might struggle with this
>   task if it was only the fan during driving around town.
> 
>       In my particular case, if I had it to do over I'd put it up front.
>   Most of my use consists of driving from one part of Europe to another
>   at European highway speeds. Or travelling 5-6 hours away within the
>   same country to attend some event, but at higher speed to reach the
>   place. I could deal with the AC off in the worst case if necessary
>   during the puttering around in town until I got on the highway, which
>   is when wind noise becomes an issue in any case.  In summary, neither
>   system is perfect for all conditions, so you pick the system based on
>   your typical conditions.
> 
>       My two rupees
> 
>       -----Original Message-----
>       From: DeTomaso <[5]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On
>   Behalf Of R.J.
>       Sent: jueves, 30 de enero de 2020 2:10
>       To: [6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
>       Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Parts List & Sources for Pantera AC
>   Installation
> 
>       If done right, a front condenser works way better that the stock
>   system.
>       The correct o-ring style pick ups can be soldierd on the stock
>   evaproator.
> 
>       Roland, who is running a front condersers since 25 years on several
>   Panteras.
> 
>>       Am 29.01.2020 um 21:32 schrieb Mike Drew via DeTomaso:
>> Mike,
>> 
>> The Space City Pantera guys just discussed this on their forum in
>   the past few weeks including talk of superior hoses with quick-connect
>   fittings.
>> 
>> Contact John Taphorn for the specifics.
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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>>> On Jan 29, 2020, at 11:02, Mike & Elizabeth Thomas
>   <[7]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>   One of the major upgrades I plan to do to 6328 will be
>   installation of
>>>   AC - she's never had it and my lovely passenger said she
>   won't take
>>>   another long summer cruise without it.  OK then . . .
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   I know this is a hotly debated subject, but I've decided to
>   go with a
>>>   front-mounted condenser.  That said, I will need the entire
>   setup from
>>>   A-Z including all hose runs, mechanical parts, electrical
>   switches
>>>   (thinking of going with John Haas Pantera Electronics AC
>   controller)
>>>   and other bits & bobs.  During the restoration, I'll have the
>   dash out
>>>   so will be able to make any needed changes/upgrades to any of
>   the parts
>>>   under the dash.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   Can somebody help me start getting a list of all parts needed
>   and where
>>>   I would source them?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   Thanks very much!
>>> 
>>>   Mike Thomas
>>> 
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