[DeTomaso] Radiator
Ken Green
kenn_green at yahoo.com
Thu Jan 30 00:30:38 EST 2020
Might try Mattson's in Stanton, CA. They have a good reputation and I think have made radiators for Panteras:
https://the-fan-man.com/
Ken
On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 6:51:09 PM PST, Himes, Terry (US 397C) via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Hall is out of radiators. I heard they had the best. My original radiator needs to be replaced.
About the only thing I have not replaced, and it has always worked extremely well, even with
many trips to the Vegas POCA events and all the fun-runs.
Anyone know of another source of a drop-in replacement. I don't want to do anything crazy.
(all tubes replaced with stainless steel long-ago)
Thanks.
Terry
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Deep Space Exploration – Mission Operations
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Juno Systems & Software Team
TGO Sequence Lead
MEX Sequence Lead
Odyssey Sequence Team
Spitzer Space Telescope Data Team
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On 1/29/20, 6:37 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of charlesmccall at gmail.com" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
I realize that none of us are answering the question of where to buy parts, and all of us are commenting the part that he already has decided, but...
My conclusion after reading all the discussions over the years is that the optimal location depends on the typical operating conditions of the car. The stock location is probably better for cruising around town, or for up to medium-speed trips. The stock condenser fans can pull in enough air to cool effectively and the radiator isn't obstructed during what is probably the most difficult condition to keep cool. The front-mounted option is better if you spend most of your time at higher highway speeds, since above X mph, it's been widely published that a vacuum starts to form behind the condenser, and the higher the speed, the more it struggles to get air through it. At higher speeds, there's no issue with engine cooling since the airflow is enough to cool the radiator and the condenser, while it might struggle with this task if it was only the fan during driving around town.
In my particular case, if I had it to do over I'd put it up front. Most of my use consists of driving from one part of Europe to another at European highway speeds. Or travelling 5-6 hours away within the same country to attend some event, but at higher speed to reach the place. I could deal with the AC off in the worst case if necessary during the puttering around in town until I got on the highway, which is when wind noise becomes an issue in any case. In summary, neither system is perfect for all conditions, so you pick the system based on your typical conditions.
My two rupees
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Parts List & Sources for Pantera AC Installation
If done right, a front condenser works way better that the stock system.
The correct o-ring style pick ups can be soldierd on the stock evaproator.
Roland, who is running a front condersers since 25 years on several Panteras.
Am 29.01.2020 um 21:32 schrieb Mike Drew via DeTomaso:
> Mike,
>
> The Space City Pantera guys just discussed this on their forum in the past few weeks including talk of superior hoses with quick-connect fittings.
>
> Contact John Taphorn for the specifics.
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jan 29, 2020, at 11:02, Mike & Elizabeth Thomas <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> One of the major upgrades I plan to do to 6328 will be installation of
>> AC - she's never had it and my lovely passenger said she won't take
>> another long summer cruise without it. OK then . . .
>>
>>
>> I know this is a hotly debated subject, but I've decided to go with a
>> front-mounted condenser. That said, I will need the entire setup from
>> A-Z including all hose runs, mechanical parts, electrical switches
>> (thinking of going with John Haas Pantera Electronics AC controller)
>> and other bits & bobs. During the restoration, I'll have the dash out
>> so will be able to make any needed changes/upgrades to any of the parts
>> under the dash.
>>
>>
>> Can somebody help me start getting a list of all parts needed and where
>> I would source them?
>>
>>
>> Thanks very much!
>>
>> Mike Thomas
>>
>>
>> Our email address has changed: Please use [1]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com for
>> all new messages, thanks!
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto:mbefthomas2 at gmail.com
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Might try Mattson's in Stanton, CA. They have a good reputation and I
think have made radiators for Panteras:
[1]https://the-fan-man.com/
Ken
On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 6:51:09 PM PST, Himes, Terry (US 397C)
via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Hall is out of radiators. I heard they had the best. My original
radiator needs to be replaced.
About the only thing I have not replaced, and it has always worked
extremely well, even with
many trips to the Vegas POCA events and all the fun-runs.
Anyone know of another source of a drop-in replacement. I don't want
to do anything crazy.
(all tubes replaced with stainless steel long-ago)
Thanks.
Terry
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Deep Space Exploration a Mission Operations
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Juno Systems & Software Team
TGO Sequence Lead
MEX Sequence Lead
Odyssey Sequence Team
Spitzer Space Telescope Data Team
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell: (818) 653-8213
[2]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov
i>>?On 1/29/20, 6:37 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of
[3]charlesmccall at gmail.com"
<[4]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[5]charlesmccall at gmail.com> wrote:
I realize that none of us are answering the question of where to
buy parts, and all of us are commenting the part that he already has
decided, but...
My conclusion after reading all the discussions over the years is
that the optimal location depends on the typical operating conditions
of the car. The stock location is probably better for cruising around
town, or for up to medium-speed trips. The stock condenser fans can
pull in enough air to cool effectively and the radiator isn't
obstructed during what is probably the most difficult condition to keep
cool. The front-mounted option is better if you spend most of your time
at higher highway speeds, since above X mph, it's been widely published
that a vacuum starts to form behind the condenser, and the higher the
speed, the more it struggles to get air through it. At higher speeds,
there's no issue with engine cooling since the airflow is enough to
cool the radiator and the condenser, while it might struggle with this
task if it was only the fan during driving around town.
In my particular case, if I had it to do over I'd put it up front.
Most of my use consists of driving from one part of Europe to another
at European highway speeds. Or travelling 5-6 hours away within the
same country to attend some event, but at higher speed to reach the
place. I could deal with the AC off in the worst case if necessary
during the puttering around in town until I got on the highway, which
is when wind noise becomes an issue in any case. In summary, neither
system is perfect for all conditions, so you pick the system based on
your typical conditions.
My two rupees
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Behalf Of R.J.
Sent: jueves, 30 de enero de 2020 2:10
To: [7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Parts List & Sources for Pantera AC
Installation
If done right, a front condenser works way better that the stock
system.
The correct o-ring style pick ups can be soldierd on the stock
evaproator.
Roland, who is running a front condersers since 25 years on several
Panteras.
Am 29.01.2020 um 21:32 schrieb Mike Drew via DeTomaso:
> Mike,
>
> The Space City Pantera guys just discussed this on their forum in
the past few weeks including talk of superior hoses with quick-connect
fittings.
>
> Contact John Taphorn for the specifics.
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jan 29, 2020, at 11:02, Mike & Elizabeth Thomas
<[8]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> One of the major upgrades I plan to do to 6328 will be
installation of
>> AC - she's never had it and my lovely passenger said she
won't take
>> another long summer cruise without it. OK then . . .
>>
>>
>> I know this is a hotly debated subject, but I've decided to
go with a
>> front-mounted condenser. That said, I will need the entire
setup from
>> A-Z including all hose runs, mechanical parts, electrical
switches
>> (thinking of going with John Haas Pantera Electronics AC
controller)
>> and other bits & bobs. During the restoration, I'll have the
dash out
>> so will be able to make any needed changes/upgrades to any of
the parts
>> under the dash.
>>
>>
>> Can somebody help me start getting a list of all parts needed
and where
>> I would source them?
>>
>>
>> Thanks very much!
>>
>> Mike Thomas
>>
>>
>> Our email address has changed: Please use
[1][9]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com for
>> all new messages, thanks!
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. mailto:[10]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com
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