[DeTomaso] Fwd: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday, January 18, 2020

Will Kooiman will.kooiman at gmail.com
Sat Jan 18 17:39:19 EST 2020


Thank you.  My thoughts exactly.

If you want to make an investment, buy stock, land, etc.

If you want a really nice Pantera, modify it.

Just don't do something crazy, like painting it yellow.   __

On 1/18/20, 2:30 PM, "detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of steve at snclocks.com" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of steve at snclocks.com> wrote:

       Honestly, even IF it was as advertised, that doesn't prove keeping your
       car bone stock is a better investment than making the car exactly what
       you want.  It only proves two people wanted that car.  The folks on
       this forum are drivers.  Do I want to drive a bone-stock car???  As for
       value - is it only money???  Is that all we care about?  Than buy some
       gold - Rosland capital can't be lying to you - can they?    Gold  has
       to be the best investment.
    
    
       But, if we are talking cars - seriously - a bone stock ride is
       better???
    
    
       Not in my garage.
    
    
       Stephen Nelson
    
    
       -----Original Message-----
       From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On Behalf Of
       Nathan Giles
       Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2020 9:41 AM
       To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
       Cc: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>; De Tomaso Forum
       <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
       Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday,
       January 18, 2020
    
    
       I looked that car over before it went up. It was bone stock original
       and in really nice shape. Every thing was in place as it came from the
       dealer. I do appreciate the originality of these cars but still love my
       own highly modified version. I am Often asked "if a stock car is worth
       x what do you think your car is worth?" Answer is always "Who cares. I
       ain't for sale!"
    
    
       Nathan Giles
    
    
       > On Jan 18, 2020, at 10:15, Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
       wrote:
    
       >
    
       >    Mike,
    
       >
    
       >   It's not you, it's the whole 'originality sells' moniker that seems
       to
    
       >   have become mainstream in driving folks to portray something where
       it
    
       >   is clearly not, even to a half educated blind man.  But then who do
       you
    
       >   blame? The 'salesman' embellishing his wares or the fool who is
    
       >   parted with his money!
    
       >
    
       >   Collector Car auctions are like a roll of the dice at the Casino,
    
       >   sometimes a punter gets lucky, but overall the only winner is the
    
       >   house!
    
       >
    
       >   Julian
    
       >
       __________________________________________________________________
    
       >
    
       >   From: Mike Drew <[2]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
    
       >   Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2020 8:51 AM
    
       >   To: Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
    
       >   Cc: De Tomaso Forum <[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
    
       >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Hammer Price Portfolio Report -
       Saturday,
    
       >   January 18, 2020
    
       >
    
       >   Julian,
    
       >   I would have been far more clear--I don't know what I was thinking.
    
       >   This is a Pre-L car that somebody grafted an L-Model front bumper
       onto.
    
       >   The turn signals are just screwed to the underside of the bumper
    
       >   instead of being mounted properly in metal pods on the body.
    
       >   This is something easily rectified by simply refitting stock Pre-L
    
       >   front bumpers. Perhaps this is something the overzealous buyer
    
       >   considered, as its not a major undertaking, especially if they were
    
       >   included in the sale.
    
       >   However I do think this car should have drawn $65-70k tops. The
       seller
    
       >   is laughing all the way to the bank....
    
       >   Mike
    
       >   Sent from my iPad
    
       >>> On Jan 18, 2020, at 07:46, Julian Kift <[5]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
    
       >>   wrote:
    
       >>
    
       >>   And people believe anything that B-J write on a descriptor; that's
    
       >   like
    
       >>  saying it must be true because I read it on Facebook :)
    
       >>
    
       >>  But after all these years I am still learning, never seen a
       license
    
       >> plate lamp painted stock body color so now I'm questioning the
    
       >   whole
    
       >>  original paint story! It's also a first to see a transition L
       model
    
       >> with the large rubber front bumper combined with the rear chrome
    
       >> bumperettes? The decklid struts are bone-stock modified and it is
    
       >> missing the center screen so in reality "it retains all it's
    
       >   original
    
       >>  parts, well, minus a few".... kinda like Washington's axe story!
    
       >>
    
       >>  Julian
    
       >>
    
       >   __________________________________________________________________
    
       >>
    
       >>  From: DeTomaso <[6]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
       behalf
    
       >   of
    
       >>  Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
    
       >>  Sent: Friday, January 17, 2020 10:53 PM
    
       >>  To: De Tomaso Forum <[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
    
       >>  Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday,
    
       >> January 18, 2020
    
       >>
    
       >>  Guys,
    
       >>  Word from Scottsdale. A bone-stock originalish L-model sold for
    
       >   $112k
    
       >>  (including commission) with a hammer price of $102k, further
    
       >   supporting
    
       >>  the theory that every penny spent modifying a Pantera might make it
    
       >   a
    
       >>  better car, but certainly makes it a worse investment. Here it is:
    
       >>
    
       >
    
       >
       [1][9]https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Archive/Event/Item/1972-DE-TOMASO
       -P
    
       > A
    
       >>  NTERA-237054
    
       >>  The Qvale Mangusta was a no-sale at $17.5k.  These ugly ducklings
    
       >   will
    
       >>  never become swans. Reportedly they are fantastic to drive, but I
    
       >> wouldn't be seen in one.
    
       >>
    
       >
    
       >
       [2][10]https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=175236&
       cur
    
       > r
    
       >>
    
       >
    
       >
       ent_index=2&total_results=348&tsauction_id=204&=&caryear=&caryearto=&s
    
       > e
    
       >>  arch_text=&page=featured&showpage=29
    
       >>  Mike
    
       >>  Sent from my iPad
    
       >>  Begin forwarded message:
    
       >>> From: [11]info at hammerpricelive.com
    
       >>> Date: January 17, 2020 at 22:03:49 PST
    
       >>> To: [12]mikeldrew at aol.com
    
       >>> Subject: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday, January 18, 2020
    
       >>>
    
       >>>
    
       >>>
    
       >>> Portfolio Report      Saturday, January 18, 2020
    
       >>> Mangusta
    
       >>> 1.
    
       >>> 2001 Qvale    HIGH BID        $17,500 USD
    
       >>> Mangusta      EST. PRICE      $0-$0 USD
    
       >>> EXTERIOR      Silver
    
       >>> RUSSO AND STEELE
    
       >>> INTERIOR      Tobacco
    
       >>> Lot 583    Scottsdale
    
       >>> ODOMETER      13500 mi
    
       >>> CHASSIS N-o    TOP SECRET
    
       >>> January 18, 2020    12:01AM (EST)
    
       >>> Pantera
    
       >>> 1.
    
       >>> 1972 DeTomaso SOLD    $102,000 USD
    
       >>> Pantera       EST. PRICE      $0-$0 USD
    
       >>> EXTERIOR      Yellow
    
       >>> BARRETT-JACKSON
    
       >>> INTERIOR      Black
    
       >>> Lot 1132    Scottsdale
    
       >>> ODOMETER      38000 mi
    
       >>> CHASSIS N-o    THPNMA03008
    
       >>> January 17, 2020    10:05PM (EST)
    
       >>> De Tomaso
    
       >>> 1.
    
       >>> 1972 DeTomaso SOLD    $102,000 USD
    
       >>> Pantera       EST. PRICE      $0-$0 USD
    
       >>> EXTERIOR      Yellow
    
       >>> BARRETT-JACKSON
    
       >>> INTERIOR      Black
    
       >>> Lot 1132    Scottsdale
    
       >>> ODOMETER      38000 mi
    
       >>> CHASSIS N-o    THPNMA03008
    
       >>> January 17, 2020    10:05PM (EST)
    
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       >>
    
       >> References
    
       >>
    
       >>  1.
    
       >
       [1][13]https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Archive/Event/Item/1972-DE-TOMAS
       O-PA
    
       >   NTERA-237054
    
       >>  2.
    
       >
       [2][14]https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=175236&
       curr
    
       >
       ent_index=2&total_results=348&tsauction_id=204&=&caryear=&caryearto=&se
    
       >   arch_text=&page=featured&showpage=29
    
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