[DeTomaso] Fwd: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday, January 18, 2020
John
gt40 at sbcglobal.net
Sat Jan 18 17:03:50 EST 2020
Stephen you nailed it! Couldn’t have said it better.
I think I’m gonna go get one of those reverse mortgage things – Tom Selleck wouldn’t lie would he?
He did have a 308, right?
John hoyt
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From: steve at snclocks.com
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2020 11:31 AM
To: 'Nathan Giles'; 'Julian Kift'
Cc: 'Mike Drew'; 'De Tomaso Forum'
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday,January 18, 2020
Honestly, even IF it was as advertised, that doesn't prove keeping your car bone stock is a better investment than making the car exactly what you want. It only proves two people wanted that car. The folks on this forum are drivers. Do I want to drive a bone-stock car??? As for value - is it only money??? Is that all we care about? Than buy some gold - Rosland capital can't be lying to you - can they? Gold has to be the best investment.
But, if we are talking cars - seriously - a bone stock ride is better???
Not in my garage.
Stephen Nelson
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On Behalf Of Nathan Giles
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2020 9:41 AM
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>; De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday, January 18, 2020
I looked that car over before it went up. It was bone stock original and in really nice shape. Every thing was in place as it came from the dealer. I do appreciate the originality of these cars but still love my own highly modified version. I am Often asked “if a stock car is worth x what do you think your car is worth?” Answer is always “Who cares. I ain’t for sale!”
Nathan Giles
> On Jan 18, 2020, at 10:15, Julian Kift < <mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com> julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> It's not you, it's the whole 'originality sells' moniker that seems to
> have become mainstream in driving folks to portray something where it
> is clearly not, even to a half educated blind man. But then who do you
> blame? The 'salesman' embellishing his wares or the fool who is
> parted with his money!
>
> Collector Car auctions are like a roll of the dice at the Casino,
> sometimes a punter gets lucky, but overall the only winner is the
> house!
>
> Julian
> __________________________________________________________________
>
> From: Mike Drew < <mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com> MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2020 8:51 AM
> To: Julian Kift < <mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com> julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: De Tomaso Forum < <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday,
> January 18, 2020
>
> Julian,
> I would have been far more clear--I don't know what I was thinking.
> This is a Pre-L car that somebody grafted an L-Model front bumper onto.
> The turn signals are just screwed to the underside of the bumper
> instead of being mounted properly in metal pods on the body.
> This is something easily rectified by simply refitting stock Pre-L
> front bumpers. Perhaps this is something the overzealous buyer
> considered, as its not a major undertaking, especially if they were
> included in the sale.
> However I do think this car should have drawn $65-70k tops. The seller
> is laughing all the way to the bank....
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
>>> On Jan 18, 2020, at 07:46, Julian Kift < <mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com> julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> And people believe anything that B-J write on a descriptor; that's
> like
>> saying it must be true because I read it on Facebook :)
>>
>> But after all these years I am still learning, never seen a license
>> plate lamp painted stock body color so now I'm questioning the
> whole
>> original paint story! It's also a first to see a transition L model
>> with the large rubber front bumper combined with the rear chrome
>> bumperettes? The decklid struts are bone-stock modified and it is
>> missing the center screen so in reality "it retains all it's
> original
>> parts, well, minus a few".... kinda like Washington's axe story!
>>
>> Julian
>>
> __________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: DeTomaso < <mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
> of
>> Mike Drew via DeTomaso < <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2020 10:53 PM
>> To: De Tomaso Forum < <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday,
>> January 18, 2020
>>
>> Guys,
>> Word from Scottsdale. A bone-stock originalish L-model sold for
> $112k
>> (including commission) with a hammer price of $102k, further
> supporting
>> the theory that every penny spent modifying a Pantera might make it
> a
>> better car, but certainly makes it a worse investment. Here it is:
>>
>
> [1] <https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Archive/Event/Item/1972-DE-TOMASO-P> https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Archive/Event/Item/1972-DE-TOMASO-P
> A
>> NTERA-237054
>> The Qvale Mangusta was a no-sale at $17.5k. These ugly ducklings
> will
>> never become swans. Reportedly they are fantastic to drive, but I
>> wouldn't be seen in one.
>>
>
> [2] <https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=175236&cur> https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=175236&cur
> r
>>
>
> ent_index=2&total_results=348&tsauction_id=204&=&caryear=&caryearto=&s
> e
>> arch_text=&page=featured&showpage=29
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iPad
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> From: <mailto:info at hammerpricelive.com> info at hammerpricelive.com
>>> Date: January 17, 2020 at 22:03:49 PST
>>> To: <mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com> mikeldrew at aol.com
>>> Subject: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday, January 18, 2020
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Portfolio Report Saturday, January 18, 2020
>>> Mangusta
>>> 1.
>>> 2001 Qvale HIGH BID $17,500 USD
>>> Mangusta EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD
>>> EXTERIOR Silver
>>> RUSSO AND STEELE
>>> INTERIOR Tobacco
>>> Lot 583 Scottsdale
>>> ODOMETER 13500 mi
>>> CHASSIS N-o TOP SECRET
>>> January 18, 2020 12:01AM (EST)
>>> Pantera
>>> 1.
>>> 1972 DeTomaso SOLD $102,000 USD
>>> Pantera EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD
>>> EXTERIOR Yellow
>>> BARRETT-JACKSON
>>> INTERIOR Black
>>> Lot 1132 Scottsdale
>>> ODOMETER 38000 mi
>>> CHASSIS N-o THPNMA03008
>>> January 17, 2020 10:05PM (EST)
>>> De Tomaso
>>> 1.
>>> 1972 DeTomaso SOLD $102,000 USD
>>> Pantera EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD
>>> EXTERIOR Yellow
>>> BARRETT-JACKSON
>>> INTERIOR Black
>>> Lot 1132 Scottsdale
>>> ODOMETER 38000 mi
>>> CHASSIS N-o THPNMA03008
>>> January 17, 2020 10:05PM (EST)
>>> Too much mail? Adjust your Hammer Price notification preferences in
>> the app using Settings.
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>>
>> References
>>
>> 1.
> [1] <https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Archive/Event/Item/1972-DE-TOMASO-PA> https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Archive/Event/Item/1972-DE-TOMASO-PA
> NTERA-237054
>> 2.
> [2] <https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=175236&curr> https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=175236&curr
> ent_index=2&total_results=348&tsauction_id=204&=&caryear=&caryearto=&se
> arch_text=&page=featured&showpage=29
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> 1. <https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Archive/Event/Item/1972-DE-TOMASO-PANTERA-237054> https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Archive/Event/Item/1972-DE-TOMASO-PANTERA-237054
> 2. <https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=175236¤t_index=2&total_results=348&tsauction_id=204&=&caryear=&caryearto=&search_text=&page=featured&showpage=29> https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=175236¤t_index=2&total_results=348&tsauction_id=204&=&caryear=&caryearto=&search_text=&page=featured&showpage=29
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Stephen you nailed it! Couldn't have said it better.
I think I'm gonna go get one of those reverse mortgage things - Tom
Selleck wouldn't lie would he?
He did have a 308, right?
John hoyt
Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
From: [2]steve at snclocks.com
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2020 11:31 AM
To: [3]'Nathan Giles'; [4]'Julian Kift'
Cc: [5]'Mike Drew'; [6]'De Tomaso Forum'
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Hammer Price Portfolio Report -
Saturday,January 18, 2020
Honestly, even IF it was as advertised, that doesn't prove keeping your
car bone stock is a better investment than making the car exactly what
you want. It only proves two people wanted that car. The folks on
this forum are drivers. Do I want to drive a bone-stock car??? As for
value - is it only money??? Is that all we care about? Than buy some
gold - Rosland capital can't be lying to you - can they? Gold has
to be the best investment.
But, if we are talking cars - seriously - a bone stock ride is
better???
Not in my garage.
Stephen Nelson
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On Behalf Of
Nathan Giles
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2020 9:41 AM
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>; De Tomaso Forum
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday,
January 18, 2020
I looked that car over before it went up. It was bone stock original
and in really nice shape. Every thing was in place as it came from the
dealer. I do appreciate the originality of these cars but still love my
own highly modified version. I am Often asked "if a stock car is worth
x what do you think your car is worth?" Answer is always "Who cares. I
ain't for sale!"
Nathan Giles
> On Jan 18, 2020, at 10:15, Julian Kift <
<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com> julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> It's not you, it's the whole 'originality sells' moniker that seems
to
> have become mainstream in driving folks to portray something where
it
> is clearly not, even to a half educated blind man. But then who do
you
> blame? The 'salesman' embellishing his wares or the fool who is
> parted with his money!
>
> Collector Car auctions are like a roll of the dice at the Casino,
> sometimes a punter gets lucky, but overall the only winner is the
> house!
>
> Julian
>
__________________________________________________________________
>
> From: Mike Drew < <mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com> MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2020 8:51 AM
> To: Julian Kift < <mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>
julian_kift at hotmail.com>
> Cc: De Tomaso Forum < <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Hammer Price Portfolio Report -
Saturday,
> January 18, 2020
>
> Julian,
> I would have been far more clear--I don't know what I was thinking.
> This is a Pre-L car that somebody grafted an L-Model front bumper
onto.
> The turn signals are just screwed to the underside of the bumper
> instead of being mounted properly in metal pods on the body.
> This is something easily rectified by simply refitting stock Pre-L
> front bumpers. Perhaps this is something the overzealous buyer
> considered, as its not a major undertaking, especially if they were
> included in the sale.
> However I do think this car should have drawn $65-70k tops. The
seller
> is laughing all the way to the bank....
> Mike
> Sent from my iPad
>>> On Jan 18, 2020, at 07:46, Julian Kift <
<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com> julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> And people believe anything that B-J write on a descriptor; that's
> like
>> saying it must be true because I read it on Facebook :)
>>
>> But after all these years I am still learning, never seen a
license
>> plate lamp painted stock body color so now I'm questioning the
> whole
>> original paint story! It's also a first to see a transition L
model
>> with the large rubber front bumper combined with the rear chrome
>> bumperettes? The decklid struts are bone-stock modified and it is
>> missing the center screen so in reality "it retains all it's
> original
>> parts, well, minus a few".... kinda like Washington's axe story!
>>
>> Julian
>>
> __________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: DeTomaso < <mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
> of
>> Mike Drew via DeTomaso < <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2020 10:53 PM
>> To: De Tomaso Forum < <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday,
>> January 18, 2020
>>
>> Guys,
>> Word from Scottsdale. A bone-stock originalish L-model sold for
> $112k
>> (including commission) with a hammer price of $102k, further
> supporting
>> the theory that every penny spent modifying a Pantera might make it
> a
>> better car, but certainly makes it a worse investment. Here it is:
>>
>
> [1]
<https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Archive/Event/Item/1972-DE-TOMASO-P>
https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Archive/Event/Item/1972-DE-TOMASO-P
> A
>> NTERA-237054
>> The Qvale Mangusta was a no-sale at $17.5k. These ugly ducklings
> will
>> never become swans. Reportedly they are fantastic to drive, but I
>> wouldn't be seen in one.
>>
>
> [2]
<https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=175236&cur>
https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=175236&cur
> r
>>
>
>
ent_index=2&total_results=348&tsauction_id=204&=&caryear=&caryearto=&s
> e
>> arch_text=&page=featured&showpage=29
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iPad
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> From: <mailto:info at hammerpricelive.com> info at hammerpricelive.com
>>> Date: January 17, 2020 at 22:03:49 PST
>>> To: <mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com> mikeldrew at aol.com
>>> Subject: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday, January 18, 2020
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Portfolio Report Saturday, January 18, 2020
>>> Mangusta
>>> 1.
>>> 2001 Qvale HIGH BID $17,500 USD
>>> Mangusta EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD
>>> EXTERIOR Silver
>>> RUSSO AND STEELE
>>> INTERIOR Tobacco
>>> Lot 583 Scottsdale
>>> ODOMETER 13500 mi
>>> CHASSIS N-o TOP SECRET
>>> January 18, 2020 12:01AM (EST)
>>> Pantera
>>> 1.
>>> 1972 DeTomaso SOLD $102,000 USD
>>> Pantera EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD
>>> EXTERIOR Yellow
>>> BARRETT-JACKSON
>>> INTERIOR Black
>>> Lot 1132 Scottsdale
>>> ODOMETER 38000 mi
>>> CHASSIS N-o THPNMA03008
>>> January 17, 2020 10:05PM (EST)
>>> De Tomaso
>>> 1.
>>> 1972 DeTomaso SOLD $102,000 USD
>>> Pantera EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD
>>> EXTERIOR Yellow
>>> BARRETT-JACKSON
>>> INTERIOR Black
>>> Lot 1132 Scottsdale
>>> ODOMETER 38000 mi
>>> CHASSIS N-o THPNMA03008
>>> January 17, 2020 10:05PM (EST)
>>> Too much mail? Adjust your Hammer Price notification preferences in
>> the app using Settings.
>>> (c) 2020 Live Auction Results, LLC
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1.
> [1]
<https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Archive/Event/Item/1972-DE-TOMASO-PA>
https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Archive/Event/Item/1972-DE-TOMASO-PA
> NTERA-237054
>> 2.
> [2]
<https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=175236&curr>
https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=175236&curr
>
ent_index=2&total_results=348&tsauction_id=204&=&caryear=&caryearto=&se
> arch_text=&page=featured&showpage=29
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ERA-237054>
https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Archive/Event/Item/1972-DE-TOMASO-PANTE
RA-237054
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ch_text=&page=featured&showpage=29>
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