[DeTomaso] Fwd: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday, January 18, 2020

steve at snclocks.com steve at snclocks.com
Sat Jan 18 14:30:41 EST 2020


Honestly, even IF it was as advertised, that doesn't prove keeping your car bone stock is a better investment than making the car exactly what you want.  It only proves two people wanted that car.  The folks on this forum are drivers.  Do I want to drive a bone-stock car???  As for value - is it only money???  Is that all we care about?  Than buy some gold - Rosland capital can't be lying to you - can they?    Gold  has to be the best investment. 

 

But, if we are talking cars - seriously - a bone stock ride is better???

 

Not in my garage.

 

Stephen Nelson

 

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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On Behalf Of Nathan Giles
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2020 9:41 AM
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>; De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday, January 18, 2020

 

I looked that car over before it went up. It was bone stock original and in really nice shape. Every thing was in place as it came from the dealer. I do appreciate the originality of these cars but still love my own highly modified version. I am Often asked “if a stock car is worth x what do you think your car is worth?” Answer is always “Who cares. I ain’t for sale!”

 

Nathan Giles

 

> On Jan 18, 2020, at 10:15, Julian Kift < <mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com> julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:

> 

>    Mike,

> 

>   It's not you, it's the whole 'originality sells' moniker that seems to

>   have become mainstream in driving folks to portray something where it

>   is clearly not, even to a half educated blind man.  But then who do you

>   blame? The 'salesman' embellishing his wares or the fool who is

>   parted with his money!

> 

>   Collector Car auctions are like a roll of the dice at the Casino,

>   sometimes a punter gets lucky, but overall the only winner is the

>   house!

> 

>   Julian

>     __________________________________________________________________

> 

>   From: Mike Drew < <mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com> MikeLDrew at aol.com>

>   Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2020 8:51 AM

>   To: Julian Kift < <mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com> julian_kift at hotmail.com>

>   Cc: De Tomaso Forum < <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>

>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday,

>   January 18, 2020

> 

>   Julian,

>   I would have been far more clear--I don't know what I was thinking.

>   This is a Pre-L car that somebody grafted an L-Model front bumper onto.

>   The turn signals are just screwed to the underside of the bumper

>   instead of being mounted properly in metal pods on the body.

>   This is something easily rectified by simply refitting stock Pre-L

>   front bumpers. Perhaps this is something the overzealous buyer

>   considered, as its not a major undertaking, especially if they were

>   included in the sale.

>   However I do think this car should have drawn $65-70k tops. The seller

>   is laughing all the way to the bank....

>   Mike

>   Sent from my iPad

>>> On Jan 18, 2020, at 07:46, Julian Kift < <mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com> julian_kift at hotmail.com>

>>   wrote:

>> 

>>   And people believe anything that B-J write on a descriptor; that's

>   like

>>  saying it must be true because I read it on Facebook :)

>> 

>>  But after all these years I am still learning, never seen a license  

>> plate lamp painted stock body color so now I'm questioning the

>   whole

>>  original paint story! It's also a first to see a transition L model  

>> with the large rubber front bumper combined with the rear chrome  

>> bumperettes? The decklid struts are bone-stock modified and it is  

>> missing the center screen so in reality "it retains all it's

>   original

>>  parts, well, minus a few".... kinda like Washington's axe story!

>> 

>>  Julian

>> 

>   __________________________________________________________________

>> 

>>  From: DeTomaso < <mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf

>   of

>>  Mike Drew via DeTomaso < <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>

>>  Sent: Friday, January 17, 2020 10:53 PM

>>  To: De Tomaso Forum < <mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>

>>  Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday,  

>> January 18, 2020

>> 

>>  Guys,

>>  Word from Scottsdale. A bone-stock originalish L-model sold for

>   $112k

>>  (including commission) with a hammer price of $102k, further

>   supporting

>>  the theory that every penny spent modifying a Pantera might make it

>   a

>>  better car, but certainly makes it a worse investment. Here it is:

>> 

>   

> [1] <https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Archive/Event/Item/1972-DE-TOMASO-P> https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Archive/Event/Item/1972-DE-TOMASO-P

> A

>>  NTERA-237054

>>  The Qvale Mangusta was a no-sale at $17.5k.  These ugly ducklings

>   will

>>  never become swans. Reportedly they are fantastic to drive, but I  

>> wouldn't be seen in one.

>> 

>   

> [2] <https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=175236&cur> https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=175236&cur

> r

>> 

>   

> ent_index=2&total_results=348&tsauction_id=204&=&caryear=&caryearto=&s

> e

>>  arch_text=&page=featured&showpage=29

>>  Mike

>>  Sent from my iPad

>>  Begin forwarded message:

>>> From:  <mailto:info at hammerpricelive.com> info at hammerpricelive.com

>>> Date: January 17, 2020 at 22:03:49 PST

>>> To:  <mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com> mikeldrew at aol.com

>>> Subject: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday, January 18, 2020

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> Portfolio Report      Saturday, January 18, 2020

>>> Mangusta

>>> 1.

>>> 2001 Qvale    HIGH BID        $17,500 USD

>>> Mangusta      EST. PRICE      $0-$0 USD

>>> EXTERIOR      Silver

>>> RUSSO AND STEELE

>>> INTERIOR      Tobacco

>>> Lot 583    Scottsdale

>>> ODOMETER      13500 mi

>>> CHASSIS N-o    TOP SECRET

>>> January 18, 2020    12:01AM (EST)

>>> Pantera

>>> 1.

>>> 1972 DeTomaso SOLD    $102,000 USD

>>> Pantera       EST. PRICE      $0-$0 USD

>>> EXTERIOR      Yellow

>>> BARRETT-JACKSON

>>> INTERIOR      Black

>>> Lot 1132    Scottsdale

>>> ODOMETER      38000 mi

>>> CHASSIS N-o    THPNMA03008

>>> January 17, 2020    10:05PM (EST)

>>> De Tomaso

>>> 1.

>>> 1972 DeTomaso SOLD    $102,000 USD

>>> Pantera       EST. PRICE      $0-$0 USD

>>> EXTERIOR      Yellow

>>> BARRETT-JACKSON

>>> INTERIOR      Black

>>> Lot 1132    Scottsdale

>>> ODOMETER      38000 mi

>>> CHASSIS N-o    THPNMA03008

>>> January 17, 2020    10:05PM (EST)

>>> Too much mail? Adjust your Hammer Price notification preferences in

>>  the app using Settings.

>>> (c) 2020 Live Auction Results, LLC

>> 

>> References

>> 

>>  1.

>   [1] <https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Archive/Event/Item/1972-DE-TOMASO-PA> https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Archive/Event/Item/1972-DE-TOMASO-PA

>   NTERA-237054

>>  2.

>   [2] <https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=175236&curr> https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=175236&curr

>   ent_index=2&total_results=348&tsauction_id=204&=&caryear=&caryearto=&se

>   arch_text=&page=featured&showpage=29

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   Honestly, even IF it was as advertised, that doesn't prove keeping your
   car bone stock is a better investment than making the car exactly what
   you want.  It only proves two people wanted that car.  The folks on
   this forum are drivers.  Do I want to drive a bone-stock car???  As for
   value - is it only money???  Is that all we care about?  Than buy some
   gold - Rosland capital can't be lying to you - can they?    Gold  has
   to be the best investment.


   But, if we are talking cars - seriously - a bone stock ride is
   better???


   Not in my garage.


   Stephen Nelson


   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On Behalf Of
   Nathan Giles
   Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2020 9:41 AM
   To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   Cc: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>; De Tomaso Forum
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday,
   January 18, 2020


   I looked that car over before it went up. It was bone stock original
   and in really nice shape. Every thing was in place as it came from the
   dealer. I do appreciate the originality of these cars but still love my
   own highly modified version. I am Often asked "if a stock car is worth
   x what do you think your car is worth?" Answer is always "Who cares. I
   ain't for sale!"


   Nathan Giles


   > On Jan 18, 2020, at 10:15, Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   wrote:

   >

   >    Mike,

   >

   >   It's not you, it's the whole 'originality sells' moniker that seems
   to

   >   have become mainstream in driving folks to portray something where
   it

   >   is clearly not, even to a half educated blind man.  But then who do
   you

   >   blame? The 'salesman' embellishing his wares or the fool who is

   >   parted with his money!

   >

   >   Collector Car auctions are like a roll of the dice at the Casino,

   >   sometimes a punter gets lucky, but overall the only winner is the

   >   house!

   >

   >   Julian

   >
   __________________________________________________________________

   >

   >   From: Mike Drew <[2]MikeLDrew at aol.com>

   >   Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2020 8:51 AM

   >   To: Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift at hotmail.com>

   >   Cc: De Tomaso Forum <[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>

   >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Hammer Price Portfolio Report -
   Saturday,

   >   January 18, 2020

   >

   >   Julian,

   >   I would have been far more clear--I don't know what I was thinking.

   >   This is a Pre-L car that somebody grafted an L-Model front bumper
   onto.

   >   The turn signals are just screwed to the underside of the bumper

   >   instead of being mounted properly in metal pods on the body.

   >   This is something easily rectified by simply refitting stock Pre-L

   >   front bumpers. Perhaps this is something the overzealous buyer

   >   considered, as its not a major undertaking, especially if they were

   >   included in the sale.

   >   However I do think this car should have drawn $65-70k tops. The
   seller

   >   is laughing all the way to the bank....

   >   Mike

   >   Sent from my iPad

   >>> On Jan 18, 2020, at 07:46, Julian Kift <[5]julian_kift at hotmail.com>

   >>   wrote:

   >>

   >>   And people believe anything that B-J write on a descriptor; that's

   >   like

   >>  saying it must be true because I read it on Facebook :)

   >>

   >>  But after all these years I am still learning, never seen a
   license

   >> plate lamp painted stock body color so now I'm questioning the

   >   whole

   >>  original paint story! It's also a first to see a transition L
   model

   >> with the large rubber front bumper combined with the rear chrome

   >> bumperettes? The decklid struts are bone-stock modified and it is

   >> missing the center screen so in reality "it retains all it's

   >   original

   >>  parts, well, minus a few".... kinda like Washington's axe story!

   >>

   >>  Julian

   >>

   >   __________________________________________________________________

   >>

   >>  From: DeTomaso <[6]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf

   >   of

   >>  Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>

   >>  Sent: Friday, January 17, 2020 10:53 PM

   >>  To: De Tomaso Forum <[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>

   >>  Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday,

   >> January 18, 2020

   >>

   >>  Guys,

   >>  Word from Scottsdale. A bone-stock originalish L-model sold for

   >   $112k

   >>  (including commission) with a hammer price of $102k, further

   >   supporting

   >>  the theory that every penny spent modifying a Pantera might make it

   >   a

   >>  better car, but certainly makes it a worse investment. Here it is:

   >>

   >

   >
   [1][9]https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Archive/Event/Item/1972-DE-TOMASO
   -P

   > A

   >>  NTERA-237054

   >>  The Qvale Mangusta was a no-sale at $17.5k.  These ugly ducklings

   >   will

   >>  never become swans. Reportedly they are fantastic to drive, but I

   >> wouldn't be seen in one.

   >>

   >

   >
   [2][10]https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=175236&
   cur

   > r

   >>

   >

   >
   ent_index=2&total_results=348&tsauction_id=204&=&caryear=&caryearto=&s

   > e

   >>  arch_text=&page=featured&showpage=29

   >>  Mike

   >>  Sent from my iPad

   >>  Begin forwarded message:

   >>> From: [11]info at hammerpricelive.com

   >>> Date: January 17, 2020 at 22:03:49 PST

   >>> To: [12]mikeldrew at aol.com

   >>> Subject: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday, January 18, 2020

   >>>

   >>>

   >>>

   >>> Portfolio Report      Saturday, January 18, 2020

   >>> Mangusta

   >>> 1.

   >>> 2001 Qvale    HIGH BID        $17,500 USD

   >>> Mangusta      EST. PRICE      $0-$0 USD

   >>> EXTERIOR      Silver

   >>> RUSSO AND STEELE

   >>> INTERIOR      Tobacco

   >>> Lot 583    Scottsdale

   >>> ODOMETER      13500 mi

   >>> CHASSIS N-o    TOP SECRET

   >>> January 18, 2020    12:01AM (EST)

   >>> Pantera

   >>> 1.

   >>> 1972 DeTomaso SOLD    $102,000 USD

   >>> Pantera       EST. PRICE      $0-$0 USD

   >>> EXTERIOR      Yellow

   >>> BARRETT-JACKSON

   >>> INTERIOR      Black

   >>> Lot 1132    Scottsdale

   >>> ODOMETER      38000 mi

   >>> CHASSIS N-o    THPNMA03008

   >>> January 17, 2020    10:05PM (EST)

   >>> De Tomaso

   >>> 1.

   >>> 1972 DeTomaso SOLD    $102,000 USD

   >>> Pantera       EST. PRICE      $0-$0 USD

   >>> EXTERIOR      Yellow

   >>> BARRETT-JACKSON

   >>> INTERIOR      Black

   >>> Lot 1132    Scottsdale

   >>> ODOMETER      38000 mi

   >>> CHASSIS N-o    THPNMA03008

   >>> January 17, 2020    10:05PM (EST)

   >>> Too much mail? Adjust your Hammer Price notification preferences in

   >>  the app using Settings.

   >>> (c) 2020 Live Auction Results, LLC

   >>

   >> References

   >>

   >>  1.

   >
   [1][13]https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Archive/Event/Item/1972-DE-TOMAS
   O-PA

   >   NTERA-237054

   >>  2.

   >
   [2][14]https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=175236&
   curr

   >
   ent_index=2&total_results=348&tsauction_id=204&=&caryear=&caryearto=&se

   >   arch_text=&page=featured&showpage=29

   >> _______________________________________________

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   ANTERA-237054

   >   2.
   [18]https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=175236&cur
   rent_index=2&total_results=348&tsauction_id=204&=&caryear=&caryearto=&s
   earch_text=&page=featured&showpage=29

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  10. https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=175236&cur
  11. mailto:info at hammerpricelive.com
  12. mailto:mikeldrew at aol.com
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