[DeTomaso] Carburator
Dennis Valdez
sjcarguy60 at yahoo.com
Thu Aug 27 16:43:17 EDT 2020
Hi Erik et al,
I just measured the spacer on my car and it is 5/8" thick. This is not a typical size for a spacer. The carb was installed by Wilkinson for the previous owner. I looked at the receipt and it does not specify the spacer part number, only the carb.
For what it's worth I have 1/4" clear from the air cleaner cover to the engine cover. I pulled out the old motorcraft carb and it measures 3 1/4" from the base to where the the air cleaner gasket sits. I looked online for dimensions on the Edelbrock 1806 for a comparison and was not able to find it. At some point I will pull the engine cover and air cleaner and measure the Edelbrock to satisfy my curiosity.
Perhaps the drop in the air cleaner bases changed when they moved the snorkel orientation on the later 351c's used in Panteras.
Dennis
On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 11:42:30 AM PDT, Erik Kolstoe <ekolstoe at gmail.com> wrote:
All I can say is what was happening on my car. I had a 1/2" aluminum riser plate and a stock air cleaner which allowed for full range of the throttle linkage, but the air cleaner interfered.with the engine cover. I have since replaced the intake manifold and the air cleaner and went with an edelbrock manifold and a 2 1/5 in. air filter and it still, just barely interfered with the engine cover, only just. I then purchased an air cleaner bottom with the max amount of drop, and the whole assembly finally fits, but only just.
>From what I experienced on my car, the stock manifold will absolutely not work with a Holley without a spacer. I tried a 1/4" spacer and the butterflies still interfered with the secondary castings. I had to use the 1/2" riser. which pushed everything up too far. And that included trying to use the stock air cleaner or the aftermarket air cleaner with the higher drop pan bottom and the 2.5" filter element. I'm curious as to how this all works on Dennis's car, but he has an Edelbrock carburetor and maybe it does not have as tall of a profile. Not sure.
That is the info that I have, for what it is worth.
On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 3:40 PM Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
The solid center section engine covers aren't raised. They are exactly the same height at the back. The front sticks up a bit relative to the mesh screens but that's not really relevant. The air cleaner is higher at the rear because of the slope of the intake pad and the height at the rear is the same.
Mike
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> On Aug 26, 2020, at 15:03, Dennis Valdez via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> Erik,
>
> I'll check and report back
> Dennis Valdez
>
> On Aug 26, 2020, at 8:56 AM, Erik Kolstoe <ekolstoe at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Ahh yes. Your's is a 74 with the raised engine cover. Mine is a Pre-L
> and sits much lower. What size is the spacer? 1/4 or 1/2"?
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 9:55 PM Dennis Valdez via DeTomaso
> <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> My car has the stock Manifold. The original Motorcraft carb was
> replaced with an Edelbrock 650cfm Thunder Series 1806. There is
> an
> adapter used and the stock air cleaner does fit under the engine
> cover.
> Cheers, Dennis
> [cid:F17DA68A-7485-4F23-B24D-216CFB8C64C0-L0-001]
> Dennis Valdez
> On Aug 23, 2020, at 5:04 PM, fred <[2]fred at creekspeak.com>
> wrote:
> Is there a modern carburetor that will fit on a stock 351
> intake
> manifold? Please email me. Thanks, Fred
> Sent from Samsung tablet.
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Hi Erik et al,
I just measured the spacer on my car and it is 5/8" thick. This is not
a typical size for a spacer. The carb was installed by Wilkinson for
the previous owner. I looked at the receipt and it does not specify
the spacer part number, only the carb.
For what it's worth I have 1/4" clear from the air cleaner cover to the
engine cover. I pulled out the old motorcraft carb and it measures 3
1/4" from the base to where the the air cleaner gasket sits. I looked
online for dimensions on the Edelbrock 1806 for a comparison and was
not able to find it. At some point I will pull the engine cover and
air cleaner and measure the Edelbrock to satisfy my curiosity.
Perhaps the drop in the air cleaner bases changed when they moved the
snorkel orientation on the later 351c's used in Panteras.
Dennis
On Thursday, August 27, 2020, 11:42:30 AM PDT, Erik Kolstoe
<ekolstoe at gmail.com> wrote:
All I can say is what was happening on my car. I had a 1/2" aluminum
riser plate and a stock air cleaner which allowed for full range of the
throttle linkage, but the air cleaner interfered.with the
engine cover. I have since replaced the intake manifold and the air
cleaner and went with an edelbrock manifold and a 2 1/5 in. air filter
and it still, just barely interfered with the engine cover, only just.
I then purchased an air cleaner bottom with the max amount of drop,
and the whole assembly finally fits, but only just.
From what I experienced on my car, the stock manifold will
absolutely not work with a Holley without a spacer. I tried a 1/4"
spacer and the butterflies still interfered with the secondary
castings. I had to use the 1/2" riser. which pushed everything up too
far. And that included trying to use the stock air cleaner or the
aftermarket air cleaner with the higher drop pan bottom and the 2.5"
filter element. I'm curious as to how this all works on Dennis's car,
but he has an Edelbrock carburetor and maybe it does not have as tall
of a profile. Not sure.
That is the info that I have, for what it is worth.
On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 3:40 PM Mike Drew <[1]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
The solid center section engine covers aren't raised. They are
exactly the same height at the back. The front sticks up a bit
relative to the mesh screens but that's not really relevant. The air
cleaner is higher at the rear because of the slope of the intake pad
and the height at the rear is the same.
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 26, 2020, at 15:03, Dennis Valdez via DeTomaso
<[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> Erik,
>
> I'll check and report back
> Dennis Valdez
>
> On Aug 26, 2020, at 8:56 AM, Erik Kolstoe
<[3]ekolstoe at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Ahh yes. Your's is a 74 with the raised engine cover. Mine is a
Pre-L
> and sits much lower. What size is the spacer? 1/4 or 1/2"?
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 9:55 PM Dennis Valdez via DeTomaso
> <[1][4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> My car has the stock Manifold. The original Motorcraft carb
was
> replaced with an Edelbrock 650cfm Thunder Series 1806.
There is
> an
> adapter used and the stock air cleaner does fit under the
engine
> cover.
> Cheers, Dennis
> [cid:F17DA68A-7485-4F23-B24D-216CFB8C64C0-L0-001]
> Dennis Valdez
> On Aug 23, 2020, at 5:04 PM, fred
<[2][5]fred at creekspeak.com>
> wrote:
> Is there a modern carburetor that will fit on a stock
351
> intake
> manifold? Please email me. Thanks, Fred
> Sent from Samsung tablet.
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