[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 193, Issue 26

Sat Aug 1 12:30:18 EDT 2020

 Thanks Fellows,
Sounds like the Linkage is not a problem, which I thought I saw, in the pictures of the carb.
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Today's Topics:

  1. Re: Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
      (=?utf-8?Q?Thomas_T=C3=B6rnblom?=)
  2. Re: Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
      (=?utf-8?Q?Thomas_T=C3=B6rnblom?=)
  3. Re: Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question (Mike Drew)
  4. Re: Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
      (Richard Greenblum)
  5. Re: Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question (Mike Drew)
  6. Re: Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question (Julian Kift)
  7. Re: Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
      (=?utf-8?Q?Thomas_T=C3=B6rnblom?=)
  8. '73 #2172 for sale on BaT (Mike & Elizabeth)
  9. Re: Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
      (Richard Greenblum)
  10. Re: Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
      (Richard Greenblum)
  11. Re: Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question (Thomas T?rnblom)
  12. Re: Fwd: RE: Re: Pic of the day... (Dave Londry)
  13. Re: Any issues with running positive and ground for EFI
      through the center counsel? (Dave Londry)
  14. Re: Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question (David)
  15. Re: Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question (Ken Green)
  16. Re: Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
      (Richard Greenblum)
  17. Installing Edelbrock Carb (Fred Foreman)
  18. Re: Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
      (Richard Greenblum)
  19. Re: Installing Edelbrock Carb (jderyke at aol.com)
  20. Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question (Larry Finch)
  21. Re: Installing Edelbrock Carb (Mike Drew)
  22. Re: Installing Edelbrock Carb (Will Kooiman)
  23. Re: Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question (Will Kooiman)
  24. Re: Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question (Rich Hoppe)
  25. Ballast Resistor (Mirril McMullen)
  26. Re: Ballast Resistor (Larry Stock)
  27. Re: Ballast Resistor (David)
  28. Life is Better on Piazza DeTomaso (Mike & Elizabeth)
  29. Re: Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question (Julian Kift)
  30. Re: Ballast Resistor (Mirril McMullen)
  31. Re: Ballast Resistor (Forest Goodhart)
  32. Re: Ballast Resistor (Mirril McMullen)
  33. Re: Ballast Resistor (Mike Drew)
  34. Re: Installing Edelbrock Carb (Dave Londry)
  35. Re: Installing Edelbrock Carb (Dave Londry)
  36. Re: Installing Edelbrock Carb (Daniel C Jones)
  37. Re: Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question (Ken Green)
  38. ballast resister (DAVID D GOODWIN)
  39. Re: Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question (Thomas T?rnblom)
  40. Re: Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
      (Joseph F Byrd, Jr)
  41. Re: ballast resister (Mirril McMullen)
  42. Installing Edelbrock Carb (Joe Jaffoni)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 18:01:37 +0200
From: "=?utf-8?Q?Thomas_T=C3=B6rnblom?=" <tipo874 at gmail.com>
To: Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com>
Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
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I?m using the bung in the pipe from the thermostat to the swirl tank, where the vacuum thermo-switch was located.

I have drilled a couple of small holes in the thermostat so there is some flow there even when the thermostat is closed.

Thomas

> 28 juli 2020 kl. 17:53 skrev Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com>:
> 
> ?All,
> 
> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?  With no water in the intake, 351C?s are short one location.  I?m very reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).  I understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge will not yield accurate water temps.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Richard
> Austin, TX 
> 
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 18:08:45 +0200
From: "=?utf-8?Q?Thomas_T=C3=B6rnblom?=" <tipo874 at gmail.com>
To: Thomas T?rnblom <tipo874 at gmail.com>
Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>, Richard
    Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
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I assume you are not planning to only crank the engine :)

I would wire it up for best performance when running.

I?m using a Ford EFI and it has a table that adjust the pulse width depending on supply voltage, which compensates for voltage drop during cranking and heavy current draw when idling.

Thomas

> 28 juli 2020 kl. 18:01 skrev Thomas T?rnblom <tipo874 at gmail.com>:
> 
> ?I?m using the bung in the pipe from the thermostat to the swirl tank, where the vacuum thermo-switch was located.
> 
> I have drilled a couple of small holes in the thermostat so there is some flow there even when the thermostat is closed.
> 
> Thomas
> 
>> 28 juli 2020 kl. 17:53 skrev Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com>:
>> 
>> ?All,
>> 
>> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?  With no water in the intake, 351C?s are short one location.  I?m very reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).  I understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge will not yield accurate water temps.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Richard
>> Austin, TX 
>> 
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 09:14:53 -0700
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
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All,

Aftermarket water pumps usually have two fittings with pipe plugs. One is the inlet for a heater hose but I don?t know what the other would be used for? Could that be an option?

Mike

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 28, 2020, at 08:52, Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
> 
> ?All,
> 
> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?  With no water in the intake, 351C?s are short one location.  I?m very reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).  I understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge will not yield accurate water temps.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Richard
> Austin, TX 
> 
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 11:25:12 -0500
From: Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com>
To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
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Mike,

That was my original plan, but Dennis Quella told me that location is bad due to turbulence causing inaccurate readings.  If I have to, I can connect the garage there and hope I don?t have an issue with water temp, but that would be pretty risky.  He suggested drilling a head.  CHI?s are billet, so it?s not obvious where the water jacket is.  I?d have to ask them for a template or at least some guidance on where to drill if that?s where I end up...

> On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:14, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> All,
> 
> Aftermarket water pumps usually have two fittings with pipe plugs. One is the inlet for a heater hose but I don?t know what the other would be used for? Could that be an option?
> 
> Mike
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 08:52, Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?All,
>> 
>> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?  With no water in the intake, 351C?s are short one location.  I?m very reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).  I understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge will not yield accurate water temps.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Richard
>> Austin, TX 
>> 
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 09:57:13 -0700
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com>
Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
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Hmm. Drill extremely expensive and non-obvious cylinder head, or drill into a cheap and easily replaced water pipe and have a bung fitted, as the factory did originally?

I know what would do.....

Mike

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 28, 2020, at 09:24, Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Mike,
> 
> That was my original plan, but Dennis Quella told me that location is bad due to turbulence causing inaccurate readings.  If I have to, I can connect the garage there and hope I don?t have an issue with water temp, but that would be pretty risky.  He suggested drilling a head.  CHI?s are billet, so it?s not obvious where the water jacket is.  I?d have to ask them for a template or at least some guidance on where to drill if that?s where I end up...
> 
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:14, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
>> 
>> All,
>> 
>> Aftermarket water pumps usually have two fittings with pipe plugs. One is the inlet for a heater hose but I don?t know what the other would be used for? Could that be an option?
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 08:52, Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?All,
>>> 
>>> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?  With no water in the intake, 351C?s are short one location.  I?m very reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).  I understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge will not yield accurate water temps.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> Austin, TX 
>>> 
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 17:01:47 +0000
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com>, Mike Drew
    <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
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What do you want to record or use as temperature for EFI control? The water pump is a suction pump so at that point the temperature is prior to any heat soak of the engine, not a true operating temperature. Ideally for EFI I think you want the exit of the thermostat, which poses a constraint prior to the thermostat opening.

CHI offer the drilled for Clevor crossover option (i.e. when using a dry Cleveland intake manifold) , attached their 3V drawing for port location, but you should also be able to drill through the manifold to tap into the head water passage. That is quite a common crossover to do to reduce air pockets at the rea of the heads.

Julian

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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question

Mike,

That was my original plan, but Dennis Quella told me that location is bad due to turbulence causing inaccurate readings.  If I have to, I can connect the garage there and hope I don?t have an issue with water temp, but that would be pretty risky.  He suggested drilling a head.  CHI?s are billet, so it?s not obvious where the water jacket is.  I?d have to ask them for a template or at least some guidance on where to drill if that?s where I end up...

> On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:14, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> Aftermarket water pumps usually have two fittings with pipe plugs. One is the inlet for a heater hose but I don?t know what the other would be used for? Could that be an option?
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 08:52, Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?All,
>>
>> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?  With no water in the intake, 351C?s are short one location.  I?m very reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).  I understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge will not yield accurate water temps.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Richard
>> Austin, TX
>>
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  What do you want to record or use as temperature for EFI control? The
  water pump is a suction pump so at that point the temperature is prior
  to any heat soak of the engine, not a true operating temperature.
  Ideally for EFI I think you want the exit of the thermostat, which
  poses a constraint prior to the thermostat opening.

  CHI offer the drilled for Clevor crossover option (i.e. when using a
  dry Cleveland intake manifold) , attached their 3V drawing for port
  location, but you should also be able to drill through the manifold to
  tap into the head water passage. That is quite a common crossover to do
  to reduce air pockets at the rea of the heads.

  Julian
    __________________________________________________________________

  From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
  Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com>
  Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 9:25 AM
  To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
  Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question

  Mike,
  That was my original plan, but Dennis Quella told me that location is
  bad due to turbulence causing inaccurate readings.  If I have to, I can
  connect the garage there and hope I don't have an issue with water
  temp, but that would be pretty risky.  He suggested drilling a head.
  CHI's are billet, so it's not obvious where the water jacket is.  I'd
  have to ask them for a template or at least some guidance on where to
  drill if that's where I end up...
  > On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:14, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
  >
  > All,
  >
  > Aftermarket water pumps usually have two fittings with pipe plugs.
  One is the inlet for a heater hose but I don't know what the other
  would be used for? Could that be an option?
  >
  > Mike
  >
  > Sent from my iPad
  >
  >> On Jul 28, 2020, at 08:52, Richard Greenblum
  <richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
  >>
  >> All,
  >>
  >> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?  With
  no water in the intake, 351C's are short one location.  I'm very
  reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).  I
  understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge will
  not yield accurate water temps.
  >>
  >> Thanks,
  >>
  >> Richard
  >> Austin, TX
  >>
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 19:21:05 +0200
From: "=?utf-8?Q?Thomas_T=C3=B6rnblom?=" <tipo874 at gmail.com>
To: Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com>
Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
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I started with the EFI from a 5.0 Mustang, and have larger injectors, MAF and TB, plus a TwEECer for tuning and logging. 

I?m also running distributor less (EDIS)

For more info, see: www.hax.se/efi

Cheers,
Thomas

> 28 juli 2020 kl. 18:18 skrev Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com>:
> 
> ?Thomas,
> 
> I?m installing the stainless pipe set I bought decades ago so there?s no bung, but I thought about adding one. The problem, as you know, is the temp there is colder unless the thermostat is open. I take it your EFI system works with it there?which one do you have?
> 
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:01, Thomas T?rnblom <tipo874 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I?m using the bung in the pipe from the thermostat to the swirl tank, where the vacuum thermo-switch was located.
>> 
>> I have drilled a couple of small holes in the thermostat so there is some flow there even when the thermostat is closed.
>> 
>> Thomas
>> 
>>>> 28 juli 2020 kl. 17:53 skrev Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com>:
>>> 
>>> ?All,
>>> 
>>> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?  With no water in the intake, 351C?s are short one location.  I?m very reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).  I understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge will not yield accurate water temps.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> Austin, TX 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> 
>>> 
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 10:30:58 -0700
From: "Mike & Elizabeth" <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
To: "'Detomaso List'" <DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] '73 #2172 for sale on BaT
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 <https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-detomaso-pantera-20/>
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-detomaso-pantera-20/

Looks like a nice car (I know, I've said that before  . . . ).  This one
refers to the latest owner passing away before the engine rebuild was
finished.  Do we know who this car belonged to?

Mike Thomas

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  [1]https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-detomaso-pantera-20/

  Looks like a nice car (I know, I've said that before  . . . ).  This
  one refers to the latest owner passing away before the engine rebuild
  was finished.  Do we know who this car belonged to?

  Mike Thomas

References

  1. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-detomaso-pantera-20/

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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:48:25 -0500
From: Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com>
To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
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I?m headed that direction, as Thomas (and Bill Bitner privately) suggested.  It may be that the Sniper doesn?t need that much input after the engine warms up, or simply facing reality, the thermostat isn?t going to be closed where I drive the car...

> On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:57, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
> 
> Hmm. Drill extremely expensive and non-obvious cylinder head, or drill into a cheap and easily replaced water pipe and have a bung fitted, as the factory did originally?
> 
> I know what would do.....
> 
> Mike
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 09:24, Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Mike,
>> 
>> That was my original plan, but Dennis Quella told me that location is bad due to turbulence causing inaccurate readings.  If I have to, I can connect the garage there and hope I don?t have an issue with water temp, but that would be pretty risky.  He suggested drilling a head.  CHI?s are billet, so it?s not obvious where the water jacket is.  I?d have to ask them for a template or at least some guidance on where to drill if that?s where I end up...
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:14, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> All,
>>> 
>>> Aftermarket water pumps usually have two fittings with pipe plugs. One is the inlet for a heater hose but I don?t know what the other would be used for? Could that be an option?
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 08:52, Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?All,
>>>> 
>>>> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?  With no water in the intake, 351C?s are short one location.  I?m very reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).  I understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge will not yield accurate water temps.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Richard
>>>> Austin, TX 
>>>> 
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:52:49 -0500
From: Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com>
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, DeTomaso Mail List
    <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
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Thanks Julian, but I already have the dry manifold setup which I?d like to keep (a FoMoCo Buddy Bar aluminum sqaure-bore version of the factory manifold), so the crossover thing would mean a change.  I'm going to contact a Sniper specialist to ask him what the EFI needs.  I think he has a Mustang with a 351C in it, so he may be very familiar with the situation.

> On Jul 28, 2020, at 12:01, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> What do you want to record or use as temperature for EFI control? The water pump is a suction pump so at that point the temperature is prior to any heat soak of the engine, not a true operating temperature. Ideally for EFI I think you want the exit of the thermostat, which poses a constraint prior to the thermostat opening.
> 
> CHI offer the drilled for Clevor crossover option (i.e. when using a dry Cleveland intake manifold) , attached their 3V drawing for port location, but you should also be able to drill through the manifold to tap into the head water passage. That is quite a common crossover to do to reduce air pockets at the rea of the heads.
> 
> Julian
> 
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 9:25 AM
> To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
>  
> Mike,
> 
> That was my original plan, but Dennis Quella told me that location is bad due to turbulence causing inaccurate readings.  If I have to, I can connect the garage there and hope I don?t have an issue with water temp, but that would be pretty risky.  He suggested drilling a head.  CHI?s are billet, so it?s not obvious where the water jacket is.  I?d have to ask them for a template or at least some guidance on where to drill if that?s where I end up...
> 
> 
> > On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:14, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
> > 
> > All,
> > 
> > Aftermarket water pumps usually have two fittings with pipe plugs. One is the inlet for a heater hose but I don?t know what the other would be used for? Could that be an option?
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> > Sent from my iPad
> > 
> >> On Jul 28, 2020, at 08:52, Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> ?All,
> >> 
> >> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?  With no water in the intake, 351C?s are short one location.  I?m very reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).  I understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge will not yield accurate water temps.
> >> 
> >> Thanks,
> >> 
> >> Richard
> >> Austin, TX 
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  Thanks Julian, but I already have the dry manifold setup which I'd like
  to keep (a FoMoCo Buddy Bar aluminum sqaure-bore version of the factory
  manifold), so the crossover thing would mean a change.  I'm going to
  contact a Sniper specialist to ask him what the EFI needs.  I think he
  has a Mustang with a 351C in it, so he may be very familiar with the
  situation.

  On Jul 28, 2020, at 12:01, Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
  wrote:

  What do you want to record or use as temperature for EFI control? The
  water pump is a suction pump so at that point the temperature is prior
  to any heat soak of the engine, not a true operating temperature.
  Ideally for EFI I think you want the exit of the thermostat, which
  poses a constraint prior to the thermostat opening.
  CHI offer the drilled for Clevor crossover option (i.e. when using a
  dry Cleveland intake manifold) , attached their 3V drawing for port
  location, but you should also be able to drill through the manifold to
  tap into the head water passage. That is quite a common crossover to do
  to reduce air pockets at the rea of the heads.
  Julian
    __________________________________________________________________

  From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
  of Richard Greenblum <[3]richard at richardgreenblum.com>
  Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 9:25 AM
  To: Mike Drew <[4]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
  Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question

  Mike,
  That was my original plan, but Dennis Quella told me that location is
  bad due to turbulence causing inaccurate readings.  If I have to, I can
  connect the garage there and hope I don't have an issue with water
  temp, but that would be pretty risky.  He suggested drilling a head.
  CHI's are billet, so it's not obvious where the water jacket is.  I'd
  have to ask them for a template or at least some guidance on where to
  drill if that's where I end up...
  > On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:14, Mike Drew <[6]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
  >
  > All,
  >
  > Aftermarket water pumps usually have two fittings with pipe plugs.
  One is the inlet for a heater hose but I don't know what the other
  would be used for? Could that be an option?
  >
  > Mike
  >
  > Sent from my iPad
  >
  >> On Jul 28, 2020, at 08:52, Richard Greenblum
  <[7]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
  >>
  >> All,
  >>
  >> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?  With
  no water in the intake, 351C's are short one location.  I'm very
  reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).  I
  understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge will
  not yield accurate water temps.
  >>
  >> Thanks,
  >>
  >> Richard
  >> Austin, TX
  >>
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  2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
  3. mailto:richard at richardgreenblum.com
  4. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
  5. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  6. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com
  7. mailto:richard at richardgreenblum.com
  8. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  9. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
  10. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 20:18:15 +0200
From: Thomas T?rnblom <thomas at hax.se>
To: Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com>
Cc: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, DeTomaso Mail List
    <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

You could fabricate an H pipe bypass with a 3/8 NPT bung and connect between the heater hoses and barbs. A trickle flow between the input and output should be enough. 

Thomas

> 28 juli 2020 kl. 19:48 skrev Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com>:
> 
> ?I?m headed that direction, as Thomas (and Bill Bitner privately) suggested.  It may be that the Sniper doesn?t need that much input after the engine warms up, or simply facing reality, the thermostat isn?t going to be closed where I drive the car...
> 
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:57, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm. Drill extremely expensive and non-obvious cylinder head, or drill into a cheap and easily replaced water pipe and have a bung fitted, as the factory did originally?
>> 
>> I know what would do.....
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 09:24, Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Mike,
>>> 
>>> That was my original plan, but Dennis Quella told me that location is bad due to turbulence causing inaccurate readings.  If I have to, I can connect the garage there and hope I don?t have an issue with water temp, but that would be pretty risky.  He suggested drilling a head.  CHI?s are billet, so it?s not obvious where the water jacket is.  I?d have to ask them for a template or at least some guidance on where to drill if that?s where I end up...
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:14, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> All,
>>>> 
>>>> Aftermarket water pumps usually have two fittings with pipe plugs. One is the inlet for a heater hose but I don?t know what the other would be used for? Could that be an option?
>>>> 
>>>> Mike
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 08:52, Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?  With no water in the intake, 351C?s are short one location.  I?m very reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).  I understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge will not yield accurate water temps.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Richard
>>>>> Austin, TX 
>>>>> 
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 11:31:06 -0700
From: Dave Londry <davel at trguys.com>
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: RE: Re: Pic of the day...
Message-ID: <5684fc5e-8238-1f93-5fa1-742c584937fe at trguys.com>
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Mr Vanelli said:
Under the cover of night
She crawls into sight
Her skin is cold china white
She's a dark angel wearing dark glasses
Dark shadows under long false lashes
The night exposes the cracks
She wears her makeup like wax
To hide every scratch
'Cause she a dark angel riding dark horses
Sitting pretty in her dim lit covers... I say
Black cars look better in the shade
She smears her lipstick on right before she sleeps
For all those phantom lovers in her dreams
She smokes them french cigarettes
In cocktail gloves and a strapless dress
She cuts a perfect silhouette
But she's a dark angel wearing dark glasses
A fading beauty as the night time passes... I say
Black cars look better in the shade
Black cars look better in the shade

dave

On 2020-07-27 8:56 p.m., marshallgsmith wrote:
>    Here's #1333 under the shade of avocado trees in front of the beautiful
>    home of the hospitable and generous Dave and Linda Adler.
>
>    Photo courtesy of Shad Bruce.
>
>    Cheers all!
>
>    Marshall
>
>
>
>
>    Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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  Mr Vanelli said:
  Under the cover of night
  She crawls into sight
  Her skin is cold china white
  She's a dark angel wearing dark glasses
  Dark shadows under long false lashes
  The night exposes the cracks
  She wears her makeup like wax
  To hide every scratch
  'Cause she a dark angel riding dark horses
  Sitting pretty in her dim lit covers... I say
  Black cars look better in the shade
  She smears her lipstick on right before she sleeps
  For all those phantom lovers in her dreams
  She smokes them french cigarettes
  In cocktail gloves and a strapless dress
  She cuts a perfect silhouette
  But she's a dark angel wearing dark glasses
  A fading beauty as the night time passes... I say
  Black cars look better in the shade
  Black cars look better in the shade

  dave

  On 2020-07-27 8:56 p.m., marshallgsmith wrote:

  Here's #1333 under the shade of avocado trees in front of the beautiful
  home of the hospitable and generous Dave and Linda Adler.

  Photo courtesy of Shad Bruce.

  Cheers all!

  Marshall

  Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 11:35:16 -0700
From: Dave Londry <davel at trguys.com>
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any issues with running positive and ground
    for EFI through the center counsel?
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"

I run a voltmeter, so wasn't not top of mind for me.
There are a lot of noise-sensitive boxes that ask for battery connection 
with minimal-length and a specified gauge.
The belief is that the battery is the best filter in the car.

dave

On 2020-07-27 9:37 p.m., Ken Green via DeTomaso wrote:
>    I thought about going to the starter, but it seems like there could be
>    voltage//current fluctuations when the engine is cranking?  Maybe the
>    same with the alternator?
>    Ken
>
>    On Monday, July 27, 2020, 8:14:14 PM PDT, Thomas TAP:rnblom
>    <thomas at hax.se> wrote:
>    I take power to the EFI from the alternator.
>    After all, it is the alternator that ultimately supply all power and
>    taking power from the battery will make the ammeter show the EFI
>    current incorrectly as charging.
>    If you really want to use battery power you can take that from the
>    battery cable on the starter relay, but it is wrong in my opinion.
>    Thomas
>    > 28 juli 2020 kl. 03:52 skrev Ken Green via DeTomaso
>    <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>:
>    >
>    > i>>?  One wire in the FAST wire harness had a relay and fuse.  I
>    built a
>    >  custom relay panel and will just add a dedicated relay and fuse to
>    it
>    >  to keep all the relays and fuses together.  I dropped the battery,
>    and
>    >  the panel is mounted to the bulkhead just above the battery.
>    >
>    >  On Monday, July 27, 2020, 6:42:26 PM PDT, Dave Londry
>    >  <[2]davel at trguys.com> wrote:
>    >    And you're thinking a relay and a fuse?
>    >    Dave
>    >    On 2020-07-27 6:37 p.m., Ken Green via DeTomaso wrote:
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>    >  power
>    >    or ground, not signals.  I'd like to just run them in a jacket
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  I run a voltmeter, so wasn't not top of mind for me.
  There are a lot of noise-sensitive boxes that ask for battery
  connection with minimal-length and a specified gauge.
  The belief is that the battery is the best filter in the car.

  dave

  On 2020-07-27 9:37 p.m., Ken Green via DeTomaso wrote:

  I thought about going to the starter, but it seems like there could be
  voltage//current fluctuations when the engine is cranking?  Maybe the
  same with the alternator?
  Ken

  On Monday, July 27, 2020, 8:14:14 PM PDT, Thomas TAP:rnblom
  [1]<thomas at hax.se> wrote:
  I take power to the EFI from the alternator.
  After all, it is the alternator that ultimately supply all power and
  taking power from the battery will make the ammeter show the EFI
  current incorrectly as charging.
  If you really want to use battery power you can take that from the
  battery cable on the starter relay, but it is wrong in my opinion.
  Thomas
  > 28 juli 2020 kl. 03:52 skrev Ken Green via DeTomaso
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  > i>>?  One wire in the FAST wire harness had a relay and fuse.  I
  built a
  >  custom relay panel and will just add a dedicated relay and fuse to
  it
  >  to keep all the relays and fuses together.  I dropped the battery,
  and
  >  the panel is mounted to the bulkhead just above the battery.
  >
  >  On Monday, July 27, 2020, 6:42:26 PM PDT, Dave Londry
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  >    And you're thinking a relay and a fuse?
  >    Dave
  >    On 2020-07-27 6:37 p.m., Ken Green via DeTomaso wrote:
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  be
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  >  power
  >    or ground, not signals.  I'd like to just run them in a jacket
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 13:43:42 -0500
From: David <david at msmcontractors.org>
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, DeTomaso Mail List
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
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Side of Block on Passenger side maybe?
David Finley
3659

> On Jul 28, 2020, at 12:01 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>  What do you want to record or use as temperature for EFI control? The
>  water pump is a suction pump so at that point the temperature is prior
>  to any heat soak of the engine, not a true operating temperature.
>  Ideally for EFI I think you want the exit of the thermostat, which
>  poses a constraint prior to the thermostat opening.
> 
>  CHI offer the drilled for Clevor crossover option (i.e. when using a
>  dry Cleveland intake manifold) , attached their 3V drawing for port
>  location, but you should also be able to drill through the manifold to
>  tap into the head water passage. That is quite a common crossover to do
>  to reduce air pockets at the rea of the heads.
> 
>  Julian
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>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
> 
>  Mike,
>  That was my original plan, but Dennis Quella told me that location is
>  bad due to turbulence causing inaccurate readings.  If I have to, I can
>  connect the garage there and hope I don't have an issue with water
>  temp, but that would be pretty risky.  He suggested drilling a head.
>  CHI's are billet, so it's not obvious where the water jacket is.  I'd
>  have to ask them for a template or at least some guidance on where to
>  drill if that's where I end up...
>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:14, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
>> 
>> All,
>> 
>> Aftermarket water pumps usually have two fittings with pipe plugs.
>  One is the inlet for a heater hose but I don't know what the other
>  would be used for? Could that be an option?
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 08:52, Richard Greenblum
>  <richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> All,
>>> 
>>> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?  With
>  no water in the intake, 351C's are short one location.  I'm very
>  reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).  I
>  understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge will
>  not yield accurate water temps.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> Austin, TX
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 18:55:36 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
To: Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com>,  Thomas T?rnblom
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 Does where you sample the coolant temp make much of the difference? Seems like the temp in the heads or near the flow to the thermostat would be hotter than in the block?
Ken

    On Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 11:18:36 AM PDT, Thomas T?rnblom <thomas at hax.se> wrote:  

 You could fabricate an H pipe bypass with a 3/8 NPT bung and connect between the heater hoses and barbs. A trickle flow between the input and output should be enough. 

Thomas

> 28 juli 2020 kl. 19:48 skrev Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com>:
> 
> ?I?m headed that direction, as Thomas (and Bill Bitner privately) suggested.? It may be that the Sniper doesn?t need that much input after the engine warms up, or simply facing reality, the thermostat isn?t going to be closed where I drive the car...
> 
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:57, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm. Drill extremely expensive and non-obvious cylinder head, or drill into a cheap and easily replaced water pipe and have a bung fitted, as the factory did originally?
>> 
>> I know what would do.....
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 09:24, Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Mike,
>>> 
>>> That was my original plan, but Dennis Quella told me that location is bad due to turbulence causing inaccurate readings.? If I have to, I can connect the garage there and hope I don?t have an issue with water temp, but that would be pretty risky.? He suggested drilling a head.? CHI?s are billet, so it?s not obvious where the water jacket is.? I?d have to ask them for a template or at least some guidance on where to drill if that?s where I end up...
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:14, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> All,
>>>> 
>>>> Aftermarket water pumps usually have two fittings with pipe plugs. One is the inlet for a heater hose but I don?t know what the other would be used for? Could that be an option?
>>>> 
>>>> Mike
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 08:52, Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?? With no water in the intake, 351C?s are short one location.? I?m very reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).? I understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge will not yield accurate water temps.
>>>>> 
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>>>>> Richard
>>>>> Austin, TX 
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  Does where you sample the coolant temp make much of the difference?
  Seems like the temp in the heads or near the flow to the thermostat
  would be hotter than in the block?
  Ken

  On Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 11:18:36 AM PDT, Thomas TAP:rnblom
  <thomas at hax.se> wrote:
  You could fabricate an H pipe bypass with a 3/8 NPT bung and connect
  between the heater hoses and barbs. A trickle flow between the input
  and output should be enough.
  Thomas
  > 28 juli 2020 kl. 19:48 skrev Richard Greenblum
  <[1]richard at richardgreenblum.com>:
  >
  > i>>?Iam headed that direction, as Thomas (and Bill Bitner privately)
  suggested.  It may be that the Sniper doesnat need that much input
  after the engine warms up, or simply facing reality, the thermostat
  isnat going to be closed where I drive the car...
  >
  >
  >> On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:57, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
  <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
  >>
  >> Hmm. Drill extremely expensive and non-obvious cylinder head, or
  drill into a cheap and easily replaced water pipe and have a bung
  fitted, as the factory did originally?
  >>
  >> I know what would do.....
  >>
  >> Mike
  >>
  >> Sent from my iPad
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  >>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 09:24, Richard Greenblum
  <[3]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
  >>>
  >>> i>>?Mike,
  >>>
  >>> That was my original plan, but Dennis Quella told me that location
  is bad due to turbulence causing inaccurate readings.  If I have to, I
  can connect the garage there and hope I donat have an issue with water
  temp, but that would be pretty risky.  He suggested drilling a head.
  CHIas are billet, so itas not obvious where the water jacket is.  Iad
  have to ask them for a template or at least some guidance on where to
  drill if thatas where I end up...
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:14, Mike Drew <[4]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
  >>>>
  >>>> All,
  >>>>
  >>>> Aftermarket water pumps usually have two fittings with pipe plugs.
  One is the inlet for a heater hose but I donat know what the other
  would be used for? Could that be an option?
  >>>>
  >>>> Mike
  >>>>
  >>>> Sent from my iPad
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  >>>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 08:52, Richard Greenblum
  <[5]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
  >>>>>
  >>>>> i>>?All,
  >>>>>
  >>>>> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?
  With no water in the intake, 351Cas are short one location.  Iam very
  reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).  I
  understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge will
  not yield accurate water temps.
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  >>>>> Austin, TX
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 13:57:47 -0500
From: Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com>
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I think your first suggestion (along with Mike?s concurrence) sounds like the easiest and cleanest solution.

> On Jul 28, 2020, at 13:18, Thomas T?rnblom <thomas at hax.se> wrote:
> 
> You could fabricate an H pipe bypass with a 3/8 NPT bung and connect between the heater hoses and barbs. A trickle flow between the input and output should be enough. 
> 
> Thomas
> 
>> 28 juli 2020 kl. 19:48 skrev Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com>:
>> 
>> ?I?m headed that direction, as Thomas (and Bill Bitner privately) suggested.  It may be that the Sniper doesn?t need that much input after the engine warms up, or simply facing reality, the thermostat isn?t going to be closed where I drive the car...
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:57, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hmm. Drill extremely expensive and non-obvious cylinder head, or drill into a cheap and easily replaced water pipe and have a bung fitted, as the factory did originally?
>>> 
>>> I know what would do.....
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 09:24, Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Mike,
>>>> 
>>>> That was my original plan, but Dennis Quella told me that location is bad due to turbulence causing inaccurate readings.  If I have to, I can connect the garage there and hope I don?t have an issue with water temp, but that would be pretty risky.  He suggested drilling a head.  CHI?s are billet, so it?s not obvious where the water jacket is.  I?d have to ask them for a template or at least some guidance on where to drill if that?s where I end up...
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:14, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Aftermarket water pumps usually have two fittings with pipe plugs. One is the inlet for a heater hose but I don?t know what the other would be used for? Could that be an option?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mike
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 08:52, Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?All,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?  With no water in the intake, 351C?s are short one location.  I?m very reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).  I understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge will not yield accurate water temps.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Richard
>>>>>> Austin, TX 
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 18:58:03 +0000 (UTC)
From: Fred Foreman <fred4man at att.net>
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Installing Edelbrock Carb
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I'm thinking of installing an Edelbrock Performer carb on the Pantera.? I'm tired of Holly.  The currently installed Holly has the throttle cable attaching about 1-3/8" down below the throttle shaft.? From the Edelbrock  photos it appears their carb does not have much of a throttle linkage plate below the throttle shaft centerline on which to attach the forward running throttle cable.
I'm sure I'm not the first to do this installation.? Any one have a comment or recommendation on throttle cable hook-up?
Thanks,
Fred Foreman
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 13:59:52 -0500
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I screw that up and I?m in BIG trouble?rather destroy a head!

> On Jul 28, 2020, at 13:43, David <david at msmcontractors.org> wrote:
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> Side of Block on Passenger side maybe?
> David Finley
> 3659
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>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 12:01 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  What do you want to record or use as temperature for EFI control? The
>>  water pump is a suction pump so at that point the temperature is prior
>>  to any heat soak of the engine, not a true operating temperature.
>>  Ideally for EFI I think you want the exit of the thermostat, which
>>  poses a constraint prior to the thermostat opening.
>> 
>>  CHI offer the drilled for Clevor crossover option (i.e. when using a
>>  dry Cleveland intake manifold) , attached their 3V drawing for port
>>  location, but you should also be able to drill through the manifold to
>>  tap into the head water passage. That is quite a common crossover to do
>>  to reduce air pockets at the rea of the heads.
>> 
>>  Julian
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>>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
>> 
>>  Mike,
>>  That was my original plan, but Dennis Quella told me that location is
>>  bad due to turbulence causing inaccurate readings.  If I have to, I can
>>  connect the garage there and hope I don't have an issue with water
>>  temp, but that would be pretty risky.  He suggested drilling a head.
>>  CHI's are billet, so it's not obvious where the water jacket is.  I'd
>>  have to ask them for a template or at least some guidance on where to
>>  drill if that's where I end up...
>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:14, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> All,
>>> 
>>> Aftermarket water pumps usually have two fittings with pipe plugs.
>>  One is the inlet for a heater hose but I don't know what the other
>>  would be used for? Could that be an option?
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 08:52, Richard Greenblum
>>  <richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> All,
>>>> 
>>>> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?  With
>>  no water in the intake, 351C's are short one location.  I'm very
>>  reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).  I
>>  understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge will
>>  not yield accurate water temps.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Richard
>>>> Austin, TX
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 19:39:45 +0000 (UTC)
From: jderyke at aol.com
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Thinking back 40 years, Fred, the Edelbrock carb is a redesigned Carter 4bbl which as I remember was an amalgam of Rochester and the very early Holley that was not at all the same design as what we (mostly) love today. I have no experience with Carter/Edelbrocks beyond using one (of a pair) from a Chrysler 300 on my flathead Ford in high school. I know a few people use them on Panteras but in what state of tune, I don't know. Suggest buying a tuner book before you make the investment in the carb. Or call Edelbrock's tech line. They may try to convince you to go throttle body EFI.... Good luck.
J DeRyke

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Sent: Tue, Jul 28, 2020 11:58 am
Subject: [DeTomaso] Installing Edelbrock Carb

I'm thinking of installing an Edelbrock Performer carb on the Pantera.? I'm tired of Holly.? The currently installed Holly has the throttle cable attaching about 1-3/8" down below the throttle shaft.? From the Edelbrock? photos it appears their carb does not have much of a throttle linkage plate below the throttle shaft centerline on which to attach the forward running throttle cable.
I'm sure I'm not the first to do this installation.? Any one have a comment or recommendation on throttle cable hook-up?
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  Thinking back 40 years, Fred, the Edelbrock carb is a redesigned Carter
  4bbl which as I remember was an amalgam of Rochester and the very early
  Holley that was not at all the same design as what we (mostly) love
  today. I have no experience with Carter/Edelbrocks beyond using one (of
  a pair) from a Chrysler 300 on my flathead Ford in high school. I know
  a few people use them on Panteras but in what state of tune, I don't
  know. Suggest buying a tuner book before you make the investment in the
  carb. Or call Edelbrock's tech line. They may try to convince you to go
  throttle body EFI.... Good luck.
  J DeRyke
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Fred Foreman <fred4man at att.net>
  To: Detomas List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
  Sent: Tue, Jul 28, 2020 11:58 am
  Subject: [DeTomaso] Installing Edelbrock Carb
  I'm thinking of installing an Edelbrock Performer carb on the Pantera.
  I'm tired of Holly.  The currently installed Holly has the throttle
  cable attaching about 1-3/8" down below the throttle shaft.  From the
  Edelbrock  photos it appears their carb does not have much of a
  throttle linkage plate below the throttle shaft centerline on which to
  attach the forward running throttle cable.
  I'm sure I'm not the first to do this installation.  Any one have a
  comment or recommendation on throttle cable hook-up?
  Thanks,
  Fred Foreman
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Message: 20
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:59:08 -0700
From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
To: Email List Address For Posting <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
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Richard,

You need to have a water temperature sensor for the EFI and a temperature sensor for the gauge. The two sensors cannot be placed in the same location, so the problem is locating two ....serviceable.... sensor locations. 

The accuracy of a stock water temperature gauge has always been in question due to the mismatch between the sender and the Veglia gauge. Aftermarket gauges tend to avoid that mismatch. In reality the accuracy of any temperature gauge reading is totally dependent on the location of the sensor - whether it is OEM or aftermarket. But does it really matter what temperature the gauge is displaying ?  No, it doesn?t. 

Because with enough road miles an owner will come to understand what his cars?s normal gauge reading should be and will use that as a baseline, a baseline that is totally dependent on where that sensor is located. The ....accuracy.... of a normal gauge reading or an increased reading, due to the inherent inaccuracy of any gauge/sensor, is irrelevant.  The owner of that car knows he has a cooling issue when that baseline sees a notable increase in temperature; it is only that troublesome ....increase... that is cause for concern. The ...numbers... on the gauge are irrelevant.

An EFI system, on the other hand, is by design dependent on an accurate and reliable temperature sensor. 

The Ford OEM location for the water temperature sensor is on the front of the block, below the thermostat. One can assume they chose that location for a reason of accuracy. 

I would place the EFI sensor in the OEM sensor location.

As Mike mentioned earlier, most water pumps have an available threaded boss that can be utilized for the temperature gauge sensor. That sensor location will serve quite readily to provide the baseline reading for the temperature gauge. The accuracy of the baseline gauge display provided by that sensor at that location, as I noted above, is not 
a cause for concern. 

Assuming your water pump has an available threaded boss, there is no need to install a new bung in the coolant piping system; just place the gauge sensor in the water pump boss. 

My 2?

Larry 

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Message: 21
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 13:16:41 -0700
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: fred4man at att.net
Cc: Detomas List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Installing Edelbrock Carb
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Fred,

?Tired of Holley? why exactly?

If you have a poorly set up Holley, you have an owner problem, not a Holley problem. 

Substituting a poorly set up Edelbrock for your poorly set up Holley leaves you with the same problem. :) :) :)

Mike

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> On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:58, Fred Foreman <fred4man at att.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I'm thinking of installing an Edelbrock Performer carb on the Pantera.  I'm tired of Holly.  The currently installed Holly has the throttle cable attaching about 1-3/8" down below the throttle shaft.  From the Edelbrock  photos it appears their carb does not have much of a throttle linkage plate below the throttle shaft centerline on which to attach the forward running throttle cable.
> I'm sure I'm not the first to do this installation.  Any one have a comment or recommendation on throttle cable hook-up?
> Thanks,
> Fred Foreman
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Message: 22
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 16:19:20 -0400
From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
To: <jderyke at aol.com>, "fred4man at att.net" <fred4man at att.net>,
    "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Installing Edelbrock Carb
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Hi Fred,

My car had an Edelbrock carburetor when I bought the car.

The carburetor was brand new, but I still replaced it.  I think it was my first mod.  I'm sure it's a great carburetor, but I just prefer Holleys.

I currently have a Holley Ultra HP 750 (which is awesome by the way).  It has the same issue with the throttle cable as the Edelbrock.  To get everything lined up, I made a bracket out of sheet aluminum.

You drill 2 holes to attach the bracket to the carburetor, plus one for the cable ball/stud.  It took 25 minutes with a hunk of aluminum, a drill, and a Dremel.  Really easy.

Will.

?On 7/28/20, 3:40 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:

      Thinking back 40 years, Fred, the Edelbrock carb is a redesigned Carter
      4bbl which as I remember was an amalgam of Rochester and the very early
      Holley that was not at all the same design as what we (mostly) love
      today. I have no experience with Carter/Edelbrocks beyond using one (of
      a pair) from a Chrysler 300 on my flathead Ford in high school. I know
      a few people use them on Panteras but in what state of tune, I don't
      know. Suggest buying a tuner book before you make the investment in the
      carb. Or call Edelbrock's tech line. They may try to convince you to go
      throttle body EFI.... Good luck.
      J DeRyke
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Fred Foreman <fred4man at att.net>
      To: Detomas List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
      Sent: Tue, Jul 28, 2020 11:58 am
      Subject: [DeTomaso] Installing Edelbrock Carb
      I'm thinking of installing an Edelbrock Performer carb on the Pantera.
      I'm tired of Holly.  The currently installed Holly has the throttle
      cable attaching about 1-3/8" down below the throttle shaft.  From the
      Edelbrock  photos it appears their carb does not have much of a
      throttle linkage plate below the throttle shaft centerline on which to
      attach the forward running throttle cable.
      I'm sure I'm not the first to do this installation.  Any one have a
      comment or recommendation on throttle cable hook-up?
      Thanks,
      Fred Foreman
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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 16:24:31 -0400
From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com>
To: Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com>, DeTomaso Mail
    List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
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Best response is what Larry said in the other post.

Use the location below the thermostat for the EFI.

Btw, I used the heater hose location in my water pump, and it is wildly inaccurate.  It seems impacted by cool water from the radiator.  If I drive through rain, the temperature drops to 120 degrees.  This is with a mechanical Autometer gauge.  Once I get out of the rain, and everything stabilizes, it parks at 160 degrees.  I have different coolant routing, but I would think stock routing would behave the same way.

?On 7/28/20, 2:59 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Richard Greenblum" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:

    I screw that up and I?m in BIG trouble?rather destroy a head!

    > On Jul 28, 2020, at 13:43, David <david at msmcontractors.org> wrote:
    > 
    > Side of Block on Passenger side maybe?
    > David Finley
    > 3659
    > 
    >> On Jul 28, 2020, at 12:01 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
    >> 
    >>  What do you want to record or use as temperature for EFI control? The
    >>  water pump is a suction pump so at that point the temperature is prior
    >>  to any heat soak of the engine, not a true operating temperature.
    >>  Ideally for EFI I think you want the exit of the thermostat, which
    >>  poses a constraint prior to the thermostat opening.
    >> 
    >>  CHI offer the drilled for Clevor crossover option (i.e. when using a
    >>  dry Cleveland intake manifold) , attached their 3V drawing for port
    >>  location, but you should also be able to drill through the manifold to
    >>  tap into the head water passage. That is quite a common crossover to do
    >>  to reduce air pockets at the rea of the heads.
    >> 
    >>  Julian
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    >>  From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
    >>  Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com>
    >>  Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 9:25 AM
    >>  To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
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    >>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
    >> 
    >>  Mike,
    >>  That was my original plan, but Dennis Quella told me that location is
    >>  bad due to turbulence causing inaccurate readings.  If I have to, I can
    >>  connect the garage there and hope I don't have an issue with water
    >>  temp, but that would be pretty risky.  He suggested drilling a head.
    >>  CHI's are billet, so it's not obvious where the water jacket is.  I'd
    >>  have to ask them for a template or at least some guidance on where to
    >>  drill if that's where I end up...
    >>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:14, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
    >>> 
    >>> All,
    >>> 
    >>> Aftermarket water pumps usually have two fittings with pipe plugs.
    >>  One is the inlet for a heater hose but I don't know what the other
    >>  would be used for? Could that be an option?
    >>> 
    >>> Mike
    >>> 
    >>> Sent from my iPad
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    >>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 08:52, Richard Greenblum
    >>  <richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
    >>>> 
    >>>> All,
    >>>> 
    >>>> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?  With
    >>  no water in the intake, 351C's are short one location.  I'm very
    >>  reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).  I
    >>  understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge will
    >>  not yield accurate water temps.
    >>>> 
    >>>> Thanks,
    >>>> 
    >>>> Richard
    >>>> Austin, TX
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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 13:43:22 -0700
From: Rich Hoppe <richbhoppe at gmail.com>
To: Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com>
Cc: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, DeTomaso Mail List
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I installed it on the top of the block next to the thermostat housing bolts down
Rich

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> On Jul 28, 2020, at 10:48 AM, Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I?m headed that direction, as Thomas (and Bill Bitner privately) suggested.  It may be that the Sniper doesn?t need that much input after the engine warms up, or simply facing reality, the thermostat isn?t going to be closed where I drive the car...
> 
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:57, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm. Drill extremely expensive and non-obvious cylinder head, or drill into a cheap and easily replaced water pipe and have a bung fitted, as the factory did originally?
>> 
>> I know what would do.....
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 09:24, Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Mike,
>>> 
>>> That was my original plan, but Dennis Quella told me that location is bad due to turbulence causing inaccurate readings.  If I have to, I can connect the garage there and hope I don?t have an issue with water temp, but that would be pretty risky.  He suggested drilling a head.  CHI?s are billet, so it?s not obvious where the water jacket is.  I?d have to ask them for a template or at least some guidance on where to drill if that?s where I end up...
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:14, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> All,
>>>> 
>>>> Aftermarket water pumps usually have two fittings with pipe plugs. One is the inlet for a heater hose but I don?t know what the other would be used for? Could that be an option?
>>>> 
>>>> Mike
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 08:52, Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?  With no water in the intake, 351C?s are short one location.  I?m very reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).  I understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge will not yield accurate water temps.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Richard
>>>>> Austin, TX 
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Message: 25
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 17:39:59 -0400
From: "Mirril McMullen" <mirrilm at earthlink.net>
To: "'Detomaso'" <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Ballast Resistor
Message-ID: <098e01d66527$a4fbe5b0$eef3b110$@earthlink.net>
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Team,

Is there an ignition ballast resistor hidden somewhere under the dash or
elsewhere?

The MSD 8350 distributor says it needs full 12 volts of voltage to operate
properly.

Let me know your thoughts.

TIA

74L WAYBAC

Mirril McMullen 
Skype:  mirril.mcmullen
email:      <mailto:mirrilm at earthlink.net> mirrilm at earthlink.net 

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  Team,

  Is there an ignition ballast resistor hidden somewhere under the dash
  or elsewhere?

  The MSD 8350 distributor says it needs full 12 volts of voltage to
  operate properly.

  Let me know your thoughts.

  TIA

  74L WAYBAC

  Mirril McMullen
  Skype:  mirril.mcmullen
  email:      [1]mirrilm at earthlink.net

References

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Message: 26
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 14:42:09 -0700
From: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
To: Mirril McMullen <mirrilm at earthlink.net>, 'Detomaso'
    <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ballast Resistor
Message-ID: <6E571B6C-3A04-4546-9FD3-75C79862F6F5 at panteraparts.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="UTF-8"

It's between your coil and your starter relay on the firewall behind the passenger seat
Larry

?On 7/28/20, 2:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mirril McMullen" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:

      Team,

      Is there an ignition ballast resistor hidden somewhere under the dash
      or elsewhere?

      The MSD 8350 distributor says it needs full 12 volts of voltage to
      operate properly.

      Let me know your thoughts.

      TIA

      74L WAYBAC

      Mirril McMullen
      Skype:  mirril.mcmullen
      email:      [1]mirrilm at earthlink.net

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Message: 27
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 16:47:19 -0500
From: David <david at msmcontractors.org>
To: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
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> On Jul 28, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
> 
> It's between your coil and your starter relay on the firewall behind the passenger seat
> Larry
> 
> ?On 7/28/20, 2:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mirril McMullen" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
>      Team,
> 
> 
>      Is there an ignition ballast resistor hidden somewhere under the dash
>      or elsewhere?
> 
> 
>      The MSD 8350 distributor says it needs full 12 volts of voltage to
>      operate properly.
> 
> 
>      Let me know your thoughts.
> 
> 
>      TIA
> 
> 
>      74L WAYBAC
> 
> 
>      Mirril McMullen
>      Skype:  mirril.mcmullen
>      email:      [1]mirrilm at earthlink.net
> 
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    [cid:45509328-4F9F-40B2-A07B-48EF9D9742AC at NECA.local]

  On Jul 28, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Larry Stock <[1]larrys at panteraparts.com>
  wrote:

  It's between your coil and your starter relay on the firewall behind
  the passenger seat
  Larry
  On 7/28/20, 2:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mirril McMullen"
  <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
  [3]mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:
        Team,
        Is there an ignition ballast resistor hidden somewhere under the
  dash
        or elsewhere?
        The MSD 8350 distributor says it needs full 12 volts of voltage
  to
        operate properly.
        Let me know your thoughts.
        TIA
        74L WAYBAC
        Mirril McMullen
        Skype:  mirril.mcmullen
        email:      [1][4]mirrilm at earthlink.net
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Message: 28
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 15:27:14 -0700
From: "Mike & Elizabeth" <mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
To: "'Detomaso List'" <DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Life is Better on Piazza DeTomaso
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I had the sign in the pic made to hang on our new back patio.  It will on
the front of the pergola.  Thought I'd share it with y'all.

Cheers and stay safe and well!

Mike Thomas

Panteras Northwest

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  I had the sign in the pic made to hang on our new back patio.  It will
  on the front of the pergola.  Thought I'd share it with y'all.

  Cheers and stay safe and well!

  Mike Thomas

  Panteras Northwest
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Message: 29
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 22:33:42 +0000
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
To: Email List Address For Posting <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>,
    Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
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Larry,

Far be it for me to delve into your World of electrons, but I would expect any competent aftermarket ECU to have the capability to get a signal for an analog gauge to show water temperature on the gauge from a single sensor for both.

Julian

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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 12:59 PM
To: Email List Address For Posting <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question

Richard,

You need to have a water temperature sensor for the EFI and a temperature sensor for the gauge. The two sensors cannot be placed in the same location, so the problem is locating two ....serviceable.... sensor locations.

The accuracy of a stock water temperature gauge has always been in question due to the mismatch between the sender and the Veglia gauge. Aftermarket gauges tend to avoid that mismatch. In reality the accuracy of any temperature gauge reading is totally dependent on the location of the sensor - whether it is OEM or aftermarket. But does it really matter what temperature the gauge is displaying ?  No, it doesn?t.

Because with enough road miles an owner will come to understand what his cars?s normal gauge reading should be and will use that as a baseline, a baseline that is totally dependent on where that sensor is located. The ....accuracy.... of a normal gauge reading or an increased reading, due to the inherent inaccuracy of any gauge/sensor, is irrelevant.  The owner of that car knows he has a cooling issue when that baseline sees a notable increase in temperature; it is only that troublesome ....increase... that is cause for concern. The ...numbers... on the gauge are irrelevant.

An EFI system, on the other hand, is by design dependent on an accurate and reliable temperature sensor.

The Ford OEM location for the water temperature sensor is on the front of the block, below the thermostat. One can assume they chose that location for a reason of accuracy.

I would place the EFI sensor in the OEM sensor location.

As Mike mentioned earlier, most water pumps have an available threaded boss that can be utilized for the temperature gauge sensor. That sensor location will serve quite readily to provide the baseline reading for the temperature gauge. The accuracy of the baseline gauge display provided by that sensor at that location, as I noted above, is not
a cause for concern.

Assuming your water pump has an available threaded boss, there is no need to install a new bung in the coolant piping system; just place the gauge sensor in the water pump boss.

My 2?

Larry

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  Larry,

  Far be it for me to delve into your World of electrons, but I would
  expect any competent aftermarket ECU to have the capability to get a
  signal for an analog gauge to show water temperature on the gauge from
  a single sensor for both.

  Julian
    __________________________________________________________________

  From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
  Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
  Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 12:59 PM
  To: Email List Address For Posting <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
  Subject: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question

  Richard,
  You need to have a water temperature sensor for the EFI and a
  temperature sensor for the gauge. The two sensors cannot be placed in
  the same location, so the problem is locating two ....serviceable....
  sensor locations.
  The accuracy of a stock water temperature gauge has always been in
  question due to the mismatch between the sender and the Veglia gauge.
  Aftermarket gauges tend to avoid that mismatch. In reality the accuracy
  of any temperature gauge reading is totally dependent on the location
  of the sensor - whether it is OEM or aftermarket. But does it really
  matter what temperature the gauge is displaying ?  No, it doesn't.
  Because with enough road miles an owner will come to understand what
  his cars's normal gauge reading should be and will use that as a
  baseline, a baseline that is totally dependent on where that sensor is
  located. The ....accuracy.... of a normal gauge reading or an increased
  reading, due to the inherent inaccuracy of any gauge/sensor, is
  irrelevant.  The owner of that car knows he has a cooling issue when
  that baseline sees a notable increase in temperature; it is only that
  troublesome ....increase... that is cause for concern. The
  ...numbers... on the gauge are irrelevant.
  An EFI system, on the other hand, is by design dependent on an accurate
  and reliable temperature sensor.
  The Ford OEM location for the water temperature sensor is on the front
  of the block, below the thermostat. One can assume they chose that
  location for a reason of accuracy.
  I would place the EFI sensor in the OEM sensor location.
  As Mike mentioned earlier, most water pumps have an available threaded
  boss that can be utilized for the temperature gauge sensor. That sensor
  location will serve quite readily to provide the baseline reading for
  the temperature gauge. The accuracy of the baseline gauge display
  provided by that sensor at that location, as I noted above, is not
  a cause for concern.
  Assuming your water pump has an available threaded boss, there is no
  need to install a new bung in the coolant piping system; just place the
  gauge sensor in the water pump boss.
  My 2-c-
  Larry
  Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
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Message: 30
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 18:53:10 -0400
From: "Mirril McMullen" <mirrilm at earthlink.net>
To: "'David'" <david at msmcontractors.org>, "'Larry Stock'"
    <larrys at panteraparts.com>
Cc: 'Detomaso' <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ballast Resistor
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Really,

I've been all over that firewall multiple times in the last 20 years.... Engine in and out a couple of times and I blasted and painted all the brackets also....

I'm going to change the plugs and wires to get ready for Fall vintage at The Glen (if it doesn?t get cancelled) ;-|

I'll look again and see if I have missed it.

Thanks!

74L WAYBAC

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From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of David
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 5:47 PM
To: Larry Stock
Cc: Mirril McMullen; Detomaso
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ballast Resistor

> On Jul 28, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
> 
> It's between your coil and your starter relay on the firewall behind 
> the passenger seat Larry
> 
> ?On 7/28/20, 2:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mirril McMullen" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
>      Team,
> 
> 
>      Is there an ignition ballast resistor hidden somewhere under the dash
>      or elsewhere?
> 
> 
>      The MSD 8350 distributor says it needs full 12 volts of voltage to
>      operate properly.
> 
> 
>      Let me know your thoughts.
> 
> 
>      TIA
> 
> 
>      74L WAYBAC
> 
> 
>      Mirril McMullen
>      Skype:  mirril.mcmullen
>      email:      [1]mirrilm at earthlink.net
> 
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Message: 31
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 22:58:46 +0000 (UTC)
From: Forest Goodhart <forestg at att.net>
To: 'David' <david at msmcontractors.org>,  'Larry Stock'
    <larrys at panteraparts.com>,  Mirril McMullen <mirrilm at earthlink.net>
Cc: 'Detomaso' <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ballast Resistor
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 You have a 74 model so instead of a ballast resistor it has a resister wire in the circuit between the ignition switch and the coil. You could install a relay powered by the existing coil feed to feed full power from the battery side of the starter solenoid.
    On Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 03:53:31 PM PDT, Mirril McMullen <mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:  

 Really,

I've been all over that firewall multiple times in the last 20 years.... Engine in and out a couple of times and I blasted and painted all the brackets also....

I'm going to change the plugs and wires to get ready for Fall vintage at The Glen (if it doesn?t get cancelled) ;-|

I'll look again and see if I have missed it.

Thanks!

74L WAYBAC

/\/\

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From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of David
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 5:47 PM
To: Larry Stock
Cc: Mirril McMullen; Detomaso
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ballast Resistor

> On Jul 28, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
> 
> It's between your coil and your starter relay on the firewall behind 
> the passenger seat Larry
> 
> ?On 7/28/20, 2:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mirril McMullen" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
>? ? ? Team,
> 
> 
>? ? ? Is there an ignition ballast resistor hidden somewhere under the dash
>? ? ? or elsewhere?
> 
> 
>? ? ? The MSD 8350 distributor says it needs full 12 volts of voltage to
>? ? ? operate properly.
> 
> 
>? ? ? Let me know your thoughts.
> 
> 
>? ? ? TIA
> 
> 
>? ? ? 74L WAYBAC
> 
> 
>? ? ? Mirril McMullen
>? ? ? Skype:? mirril.mcmullen
>? ? ? email:? ? ? [1]mirrilm at earthlink.net
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  You have a 74 model so instead of a ballast resistor it has a resister
  wire in the circuit between the ignition switch and the coil. You could
  install a relay powered by the existing coil feed to feed full power
  from the battery side of the starter solenoid.

  On Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 03:53:31 PM PDT, Mirril McMullen
  <mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:
  Really,
  I've been all over that firewall multiple times in the last 20
  years.... Engine in and out a couple of times and I blasted and painted
  all the brackets also....
  I'm going to change the plugs and wires to get ready for Fall vintage
  at The Glen (if it doesnat get cancelled) ;-|
  I'll look again and see if I have missed it.
  Thanks!
  74L WAYBAC
  /\/\
  -----Original Message-----
  From: DeTomaso [mailto:[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
  Behalf Of David
  Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 5:47 PM
  To: Larry Stock
  Cc: Mirril McMullen; Detomaso
  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ballast Resistor
  > On Jul 28, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Larry Stock <[2]larrys at panteraparts.com>
  wrote:
  >
  > It's between your coil and your starter relay on the firewall behind
  > the passenger seat Larry
  >
  > i>>?On 7/28/20, 2:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mirril McMullen"
  <[3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
  [4]mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:
  >
  >      Team,
  >
  >
  >      Is there an ignition ballast resistor hidden somewhere under the
  dash
  >      or elsewhere?
  >
  >
  >      The MSD 8350 distributor says it needs full 12 volts of voltage
  to
  >      operate properly.
  >
  >
  >      Let me know your thoughts.
  >
  >
  >      TIA
  >
  >
  >      74L WAYBAC
  >
  >
  >      Mirril McMullen
  >      Skype:  mirril.mcmullen
  >      email:      [1][5]mirrilm at earthlink.net
  >
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Message: 32
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 19:01:22 -0400
From: "Mirril McMullen" <mirrilm at earthlink.net>
To: "'Forest Goodhart'" <forestg at att.net>, "'David'"
    <david at msmcontractors.org>, "'Larry Stock'" <larrys at panteraparts.com>
Cc: 'Detomaso' <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ballast Resistor
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Forest,

That makes a lot of sense.

Thanks!

74L Waybac

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From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Forest Goodhart
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 6:59 PM
To: 'David'; 'Larry Stock'; Mirril McMullen
Cc: 'Detomaso'
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ballast Resistor

 You have a 74 model so instead of a ballast resistor it has a resister wire in the circuit between the ignition switch and the coil. You could install a relay powered by the existing coil feed to feed full power from the battery side of the starter solenoid.
    On Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 03:53:31 PM PDT, Mirril McMullen <mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:  

 Really,

I've been all over that firewall multiple times in the last 20 years.... Engine in and out a couple of times and I blasted and painted all the brackets also....

I'm going to change the plugs and wires to get ready for Fall vintage at The Glen (if it doesn?t get cancelled) ;-|

I'll look again and see if I have missed it.

Thanks!

74L WAYBAC

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From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of David
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 5:47 PM
To: Larry Stock
Cc: Mirril McMullen; Detomaso
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ballast Resistor

> On Jul 28, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
> 
> It's between your coil and your starter relay on the firewall behind 
> the passenger seat Larry
> 
> ?On 7/28/20, 2:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mirril McMullen" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
>      Team,
> 
> 
>      Is there an ignition ballast resistor hidden somewhere under the 
>dash
>      or elsewhere?
> 
> 
>      The MSD 8350 distributor says it needs full 12 volts of voltage 
>to
>      operate properly.
> 
> 
>      Let me know your thoughts.
> 
> 
>      TIA
> 
> 
>      74L WAYBAC
> 
> 
>      Mirril McMullen
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Message: 33
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 16:22:25 -0700
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
Cc: Mirril McMullen <mirrilm at earthlink.net>, Detomaso
    <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ballast Resistor
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Yes, it?s a white tall cube a bit larger than a cigarette lighter, with four wires attached to it. 

Many people have installed aftermarket ignition systems and removed it already. 

Mike

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 28, 2020, at 14:42, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
> 
> ?It's between your coil and your starter relay on the firewall behind the passenger seat
> Larry
> 
> ?On 7/28/20, 2:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mirril McMullen" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
>      Team,
> 
> 
>      Is there an ignition ballast resistor hidden somewhere under the dash
>      or elsewhere?
> 
> 
>      The MSD 8350 distributor says it needs full 12 volts of voltage to
>      operate properly.
> 
> 
>      Let me know your thoughts.
> 
> 
>      TIA
> 
> 
>      74L WAYBAC
> 
> 
>      Mirril McMullen
>      Skype:  mirril.mcmullen
>      email:      [1]mirrilm at earthlink.net
> 
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Message: 34
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 18:12:21 -0700
From: Dave Londry <davel at trguys.com>
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Installing Edelbrock Carb
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Here's a sample Fred. It's an Edelbrock Thunder #1813, 800 cfm.
I inherited this setup, so I don't have all the part numbers.
It's generic though, a 650 Performer swaps in perfectly.

The 2nd pic is just the spring anchor - taken blind, so bad focus.
Dave

On 2020-07-28 11:58 a.m., Fred Foreman wrote:
> I'm thinking of installing an Edelbrock Performer carb on the Pantera.? I'm tired of Holly.  The currently installed Holly has the throttle cable attaching about 1-3/8" down below the throttle shaft.? From the Edelbrock  photos it appears their carb does not have much of a throttle linkage plate below the throttle shaft centerline on which to attach the forward running throttle cable.
> I'm sure I'm not the first to do this installation.? Any one have a comment or recommendation on throttle cable hook-up?
> Thanks,
> Fred Foreman
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  Here's a sample Fred. It's an Edelbrock Thunder #1813, 800 cfm.
  I inherited this setup, so I don't have all the part numbers.
  It's generic though, a 650 Performer swaps in perfectly.

  The 2nd pic is just the spring anchor - taken blind, so bad focus.
  Dave

  On 2020-07-28 11:58 a.m., Fred Foreman wrote:

I'm thinking of installing an Edelbrock Performer carb on the Pantera.  I'm tire
d of Holly.  The currently installed Holly has the throttle cable attaching abou
t 1-3/8" down below the throttle shaft.  From the Edelbrock  photos it appears t
heir carb does not have much of a throttle linkage plate below the throttle shaf
t centerline on which to attach the forward running throttle cable.
I'm sure I'm not the first to do this installation.  Any one have a comment or r
ecommendation on throttle cable hook-up?
Thanks,
Fred Foreman

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Message: 35
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 18:15:05 -0700
From: Dave Londry <davel at trguys.com>
To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Installing Edelbrock Carb
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Oh that's an Air-Gap manifold, so the carb is significantly higher than 
a Performer manifold.
Dave

On 2020-07-28 6:12 p.m., Dave Londry wrote:
>    Here's a sample Fred. It's an Edelbrock Thunder #1813, 800 cfm.
>    I inherited this setup, so I don't have all the part numbers.
>    It's generic though, a 650 Performer swaps in perfectly.
>
>    The 2nd pic is just the spring anchor - taken blind, so bad focus.
>    Dave
>
>    On 2020-07-28 11:58 a.m., Fred Foreman wrote:
>
> I'm thinking of installing an Edelbrock Performer carb on the Pantera.  I'm tire
> d of Holly.  The currently installed Holly has the throttle cable attaching abou
> t 1-3/8" down below the throttle shaft.  From the Edelbrock  photos it appears t
> heir carb does not have much of a throttle linkage plate below the throttle shaf
> t centerline on which to attach the forward running throttle cable.
> I'm sure I'm not the first to do this installation.  Any one have a comment or r
> ecommendation on throttle cable hook-up?
> Thanks,
> Fred Foreman
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  Oh that's an Air-Gap manifold, so the carb is significantly higher than
  a Performer manifold.
  Dave

  On 2020-07-28 6:12 p.m., Dave Londry wrote:

  Here's a sample Fred. It's an Edelbrock Thunder #1813, 800 cfm.
  I inherited this setup, so I don't have all the part numbers.
  It's generic though, a 650 Performer swaps in perfectly.

  The 2nd pic is just the spring anchor - taken blind, so bad focus.
  Dave

  On 2020-07-28 11:58 a.m., Fred Foreman wrote:

I'm thinking of installing an Edelbrock Performer carb on the Pantera.  I'm tire
d of Holly.  The currently installed Holly has the throttle cable attaching abou
t 1-3/8" down below the throttle shaft.  From the Edelbrock  photos it appears t
heir carb does not have much of a throttle linkage plate below the throttle shaf
t centerline on which to attach the forward running throttle cable.
I'm sure I'm not the first to do this installation.  Any one have a comment or r
ecommendation on throttle cable hook-up?
Thanks,
Fred Foreman

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Message: 36
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 21:27:26 -0500
From: Daniel C Jones <daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>
Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Installing Edelbrock Carb
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> The Edelbrock carb is a redesigned Carter 4bbl which as I remember was an
amalgam of Rochester and the very early Holley

The Edelbrock AFB and AVS carbs are indeed Carter designs but the AFB is a
descendent of Carter's earlier WCFB.  Carter introduced the first US
production 4 barrel carb in 1952 on the Buick straight 8.  It was known as
the WCFB for Wil Carter Four Barrel.  Made of iron and zinc with an
aluminum top cover, it weighed in at a hefty 18 pounds.  The Carter AFB
(Aluminum Four Barrel) was introduced in 1957 and shared the WCFB's 2 piece
design, stepped rod in jet arrangement for primary metering and enrichment
and air valve secondaries but is much lighter due to its aluminum
construction.  The Edelbrock AFB is based upon the second generation Carter
AFB.  Rochester's first 4 barrel, the 4-Jet (4G or 4GC) was also introduced
in 1952.  It does have a passing similarity to the AFB but is a fixed jet
design with spring loaded secondary air door (similar to the AVS, the AFB
used a counter-weight).  Holley followed a year later with the 2140
"Teapot" 4 barrel which looks nothing like an AFB or later Holley 4150
modular design.

Dan Jones

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detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:

>    Thinking back 40 years, Fred, the Edelbrock carb is a redesigned Carter
>    4bbl which as I remember was an amalgam of Rochester and the very early
>    Holley that was not at all the same design as what we (mostly) love
>    today. I have no experience with Carter/Edelbrocks beyond using one (of
>    a pair) from a Chrysler 300 on my flathead Ford in high school. I know
>    a few people use them on Panteras but in what state of tune, I don't
>    know. Suggest buying a tuner book before you make the investment in the
>    carb. Or call Edelbrock's tech line. They may try to convince you to go
>    throttle body EFI.... Good luck.
>    J DeRyke
>    -----Original Message-----
>    From: Fred Foreman <fred4man at att.net>
>    To: Detomas List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>    Sent: Tue, Jul 28, 2020 11:58 am
>    Subject: [DeTomaso] Installing Edelbrock Carb
>    I'm thinking of installing an Edelbrock Performer carb on the Pantera.
>    I'm tired of Holly.  The currently installed Holly has the throttle
>    cable attaching about 1-3/8" down below the throttle shaft.  From the
>    Edelbrock  photos it appears their carb does not have much of a
>    throttle linkage plate below the throttle shaft centerline on which to
>    attach the forward running throttle cable.
>    I'm sure I'm not the first to do this installation.  Any one have a
>    comment or recommendation on throttle cable hook-up?
>    Thanks,
>    Fred Foreman
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  > The Edelbrock carb is a redesigned Carter 4bbl which as I remember
  was an amalgam of Rochester and the very early Holley
  The Edelbrock AFB and AVS carbs are indeed Carter designs but the AFB
  is a descendent of Carter's earlier WCFB.A  Carter introduced the first
  US production 4 barrel carb in 1952 on the Buick straight 8.A  It was
  known as the WCFB for Wil Carter Four Barrel.A  Made of iron and zinc
  with an aluminum top cover, it weighed in at a hefty 18 pounds.A  The
  Carter AFB (Aluminum Four Barrel) was introduced in 1957 and shared the
  WCFB's 2 piece design, stepped rod in jet arrangement for primary
  metering and enrichment and air valve secondaries but is much lighter
  due to its aluminum construction.A  The Edelbrock AFB is based upon the
  second generation Carter AFB.A  Rochester's first 4 barrel, the 4-Jet
  (4G or 4GC) was also introduced in 1952.A  It does have a passing
  similarity to the AFB but is a fixed jet design with spring loaded
  secondary air door (similar to the AVS, the AFB used a
  counter-weight).A  Holley followed a year later with the 2140 "Teapot"
  4 barrel which looks nothing like an AFB or later Holley 4150 modular
  design.
  Dan Jones

  On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 2:40 PM Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
  <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:

    A  A Thinking back 40 years, Fred, the Edelbrock carb is a
    redesigned Carter
    A  A 4bbl which as I remember was an amalgam of Rochester and the
    very early
    A  A Holley that was not at all the same design as what we (mostly)
    love
    A  A today. I have no experience with Carter/Edelbrocks beyond using
    one (of
    A  A a pair) from a Chrysler 300 on my flathead Ford in high school.
    I know
    A  A a few people use them on Panteras but in what state of tune, I
    don't
    A  A know. Suggest buying a tuner book before you make the
    investment in the
    A  A carb. Or call Edelbrock's tech line. They may try to convince
    you to go
    A  A throttle body EFI.... Good luck.
    A  A J DeRyke
    A  A -----Original Message-----
    A  A From: Fred Foreman <[2]fred4man at att.net>
    A  A To: Detomas List <[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
    A  A Sent: Tue, Jul 28, 2020 11:58 am
    A  A Subject: [DeTomaso] Installing Edelbrock Carb
    A  A I'm thinking of installing an Edelbrock Performer carb on the
    Pantera.
    A  A I'm tired of Holly.A  The currently installed Holly has the
    throttle
    A  A cable attaching about 1-3/8" down below the throttle shaft.A
    From the
    A  A EdelbrockA  photos it appears their carb does not have much of
    a
    A  A throttle linkage plate below the throttle shaft centerline on
    which to
    A  A attach the forward running throttle cable.
    A  A I'm sure I'm not the first to do this installation.A  Any one
    have a
    A  A comment or recommendation on throttle cable hook-up?
    A  A Thanks,
    A  A Fred Foreman
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Message: 37
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 05:12:06 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
To: Thomas T?rnblom <tipo874 at gmail.com>
Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>, Richard
    Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
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 I posted the question to the Facebook XFI forum and all the responses were that both the +12V and ground had to be directly connected to the battery, and not doing that is a common source of problems.
Ken

    On Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 9:09:01 AM PDT, Thomas T?rnblom <tipo874 at gmail.com> wrote:  

 I assume you are not planning to only crank the engine :)

I would wire it up for best performance when running.

I?m using a Ford EFI and it has a table that adjust the pulse width depending on supply voltage, which compensates for voltage drop during cranking and heavy current draw when idling.

Thomas

> 28 juli 2020 kl. 18:01 skrev Thomas T?rnblom <tipo874 at gmail.com>:
> 
> ?I?m using the bung in the pipe from the thermostat to the swirl tank, where the vacuum thermo-switch was located.
> 
> I have drilled a couple of small holes in the thermostat so there is some flow there even when the thermostat is closed.
> 
> Thomas
> 
>> 28 juli 2020 kl. 17:53 skrev Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com>:
>> 
>> ?All,
>> 
>> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?? With no water in the intake, 351C?s are short one location.? I?m very reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).? I understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge will not yield accurate water temps.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Richard
>> Austin, TX 
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  I posted the question to the Facebook XFI forum and all the responses
  were that both the +12V and ground had to be directly connected to the
  battery, and not doing that is a common source of problems.
  Ken

  On Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 9:09:01 AM PDT, Thomas TAP:rnblom
  <tipo874 at gmail.com> wrote:
  I assume you are not planning to only crank the engine :)
  I would wire it up for best performance when running.
  Iam using a Ford EFI and it has a table that adjust the pulse width
  depending on supply voltage, which compensates for voltage drop during
  cranking and heavy current draw when idling.
  Thomas
  > 28 juli 2020 kl. 18:01 skrev Thomas TAP:rnblom
  <[1]tipo874 at gmail.com>:
  >
  > i>>?Iam using the bung in the pipe from the thermostat to the swirl
  tank, where the vacuum thermo-switch was located.
  >
  > I have drilled a couple of small holes in the thermostat so there is
  some flow there even when the thermostat is closed.
  >
  > Thomas
  >
  >> 28 juli 2020 kl. 17:53 skrev Richard Greenblum
  <[2]richard at richardgreenblum.com>:
  >>
  >> i>>?All,
  >>
  >> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?  With
  no water in the intake, 351Cas are short one location.  Iam very
  reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).  I
  understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge will
  not yield accurate water temps.
  >>
  >> Thanks,
  >>
  >> Richard
  >> Austin, TX
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Message: 38
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 23:59:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: DAVID D GOODWIN <goodwinpantera at comcast.net>
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Subject: [DeTomaso] ballast resister
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I once had a Chevy Camaro and was looking for the ballast resister. It was a wire that had the ballast resister built into the wire. It was not the common firewall mounted ballast resister. Are you using a MSD box with your new msd distributor?

Dave
#4548
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  I once had a Chevy Camaro and was looking for the ballast resister. It
  was a wire that had the ballast resister built into the wire. It was
  not the common firewall mounted ballast resister. Are you using a MSD
  box with your new msd distributor?

  Dave

  #4548

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Message: 39
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 09:05:17 +0200
From: Thomas T?rnblom <thomas at hax.se>
To: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>, Richard
    Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
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Well, the battery does indeed act as a huge filter capacitor so it makes sense to feed the EFI from there if it is sensitive to noise.

As you have eliminated the ammeter that doesn?t matter either. 

Are you feeding the fuel pump from there too?

The major current draw will be the fuel pump, injectors and hego heaters. The controller itself won?t be much I assume. 

Thomas

> 29 juli 2020 kl. 07:12 skrev Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>:
> 
> ?  I posted the question to the Facebook XFI forum and all the responses
>  were that both the +12V and ground had to be directly connected to the
>  battery, and not doing that is a common source of problems.
>  Ken
> 
>  On Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 9:09:01 AM PDT, Thomas TAP:rnblom
>  <tipo874 at gmail.com> wrote:
>  I assume you are not planning to only crank the engine :)
>  I would wire it up for best performance when running.
>  Iam using a Ford EFI and it has a table that adjust the pulse width
>  depending on supply voltage, which compensates for voltage drop during
>  cranking and heavy current draw when idling.
>  Thomas
>>> 28 juli 2020 kl. 18:01 skrev Thomas TAP:rnblom
>>  <[1]tipo874 at gmail.com>:
>> 
>> i>>?Iam using the bung in the pipe from the thermostat to the swirl
>  tank, where the vacuum thermo-switch was located.
>> 
>> I have drilled a couple of small holes in the thermostat so there is
>  some flow there even when the thermostat is closed.
>> 
>> Thomas
>> 
>>> 28 juli 2020 kl. 17:53 skrev Richard Greenblum
>  <[2]richard at richardgreenblum.com>:
>>> 
>>> i>>?All,
>>> 
>>> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?  With
>  no water in the intake, 351Cas are short one location.  Iam very
>  reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).  I
>  understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge will
>  not yield accurate water temps.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> Austin, TX
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Message: 40
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 07:22:50 -0400
From: "Joseph F Byrd, Jr" <byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
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Just wild thinking,

 If the control module is sensitive to voltage swings.  
The desired would be the manufacture should add a filter/storage circuit, but on a capitalistic view some one should be selling an add on device that advertises it keeps voltage stable.
I would think the car audio guys have an extensive assortment of such bucking and boast/filter circuits that would fit the bill

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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question

Well, the battery does indeed act as a huge filter capacitor so it makes sense to feed the EFI from there if it is sensitive to noise.

As you have eliminated the ammeter that doesn?t matter either. 

Are you feeding the fuel pump from there too?

The major current draw will be the fuel pump, injectors and hego heaters. The controller itself won?t be much I assume. 

Thomas

> 29 juli 2020 kl. 07:12 skrev Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>:
> 
> ?  I posted the question to the Facebook XFI forum and all the responses
>  were that both the +12V and ground had to be directly connected to the
>  battery, and not doing that is a common source of problems.
>  Ken
> 
>  On Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 9:09:01 AM PDT, Thomas TAP:rnblom
>  <tipo874 at gmail.com> wrote:
>  I assume you are not planning to only crank the engine :)
>  I would wire it up for best performance when running.
>  Iam using a Ford EFI and it has a table that adjust the pulse width
>  depending on supply voltage, which compensates for voltage drop during
>  cranking and heavy current draw when idling.
>  Thomas
>>> 28 juli 2020 kl. 18:01 skrev Thomas TAP:rnblom
>>  <[1]tipo874 at gmail.com>:
>> 
>> i>>?Iam using the bung in the pipe from the thermostat to the swirl
>  tank, where the vacuum thermo-switch was located.
>> 
>> I have drilled a couple of small holes in the thermostat so there is
>  some flow there even when the thermostat is closed.
>> 
>> Thomas
>> 
>>> 28 juli 2020 kl. 17:53 skrev Richard Greenblum
>  <[2]richard at richardgreenblum.com>:
>>> 
>>> i>>?All,
>>> 
>>> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?  With
>  no water in the intake, 351Cas are short one location.  Iam very
>  reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).  I
>  understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge will
>  not yield accurate water temps.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> Austin, TX
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Message: 41
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 07:48:46 -0400
From: "Mirril McMullen" <mirrilm at earthlink.net>
To: "'DAVID D GOODWIN'" <goodwinpantera at comcast.net>,
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ballast resister
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No,

It's the drop in 8350 model.

Thanks!

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Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 3:00 AM
To: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] ballast resister

I once had a Chevy Camaro and was looking for the ballast resister. It was a wire that had the ballast resister built into the wire. It was not the common firewall mounted ballast resister. Are you using a MSD box with your new msd distributor?

Dave
#4548

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Message: 42
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 08:24:22 -0400
From: Joe Jaffoni <427390 at gmail.com>
To: DeTomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Installing Edelbrock Carb
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  I have an Edelbrock carb on a performer manifold.  I moved the steel
bracket on the manifold to the front most manifold bold on the driver side
and drilled a hole for a return spring (which you can't see in this
photo).  It was an easy, clean and straightforward set up and I plan to add
a second return spring.  This picture is of an Edelbrock 750 and I have
since switched to a 650 AVS - The thing runs great out of the box
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  A  I have an Edelbrock carb on a performer manifold.A  I moved the
  steel bracket on the manifold to the front most manifold bold on the
  driver side and drilled a hole for a return spring (which you can't see
  in this photo).A  It was an easy, clean and straightforward set up and
  I plan to add a second return spring.A  This picture is of an Edelbrock
  750 and I have since switched to a 650 AVS - The thing runs great out
  of the boxA A
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     37. Re: Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question (Ken Green)
     38. ballast resister (DAVID D GOODWIN)
     39. Re: Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question (Thomas T?rnblom)
     40. Re: Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
         (Joseph F Byrd, Jr)
     41. Re: ballast resister (Mirril McMullen)
     42. Installing Edelbrock Carb (Joe Jaffoni)
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   Message: 1
   Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 18:01:37 +0200
   From: "=?utf-8?Q?Thomas_T=C3=B6rnblom?=" <[6]tipo874 at gmail.com>
   To: Richard Greenblum <[7]richard at richardgreenblum.com>
   Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
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   I?m using the bung in the pipe from the thermostat to the swirl tank,
   where the vacuum thermo-switch was located.
   I have drilled a couple of small holes in the thermostat so there is
   some flow there even when the thermostat is closed.
   Thomas
   > 28 juli 2020 kl. 17:53 skrev Richard Greenblum
   <[10]richard at richardgreenblum.com>:
   >
   > ?All,
   >
   > Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?  With
   no water in the intake, 351C?s are short one location.  I?m very
   reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).  I
   understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge will
   not yield accurate water temps.
   >
   > Thanks,
   >
   > Richard
   > Austin, TX
   >
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   Message: 2
   Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 18:08:45 +0200
   From: "=?utf-8?Q?Thomas_T=C3=B6rnblom?=" <[13]tipo874 at gmail.com>
   To: Thomas T?rnblom <[14]tipo874 at gmail.com>
   Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[15]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>, Richard
       Greenblum <[16]richard at richardgreenblum.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
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   I assume you are not planning to only crank the engine :)
   I would wire it up for best performance when running.
   I?m using a Ford EFI and it has a table that adjust the pulse width
   depending on supply voltage, which compensates for voltage drop during
   cranking and heavy current draw when idling.
   Thomas
   > 28 juli 2020 kl. 18:01 skrev Thomas T?rnblom <[18]tipo874 at gmail.com>:
   >
   > ?I?m using the bung in the pipe from the thermostat to the swirl
   tank, where the vacuum thermo-switch was located.
   >
   > I have drilled a couple of small holes in the thermostat so there is
   some flow there even when the thermostat is closed.
   >
   > Thomas
   >
   >> 28 juli 2020 kl. 17:53 skrev Richard Greenblum
   <[19]richard at richardgreenblum.com>:
   >>
   >> ?All,
   >>
   >> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?  With
   no water in the intake, 351C?s are short one location.  I?m very
   reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).  I
   understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge will
   not yield accurate water temps.
   >>
   >> Thanks,
   >>
   >> Richard
   >> Austin, TX
   >>
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   Message: 3
   Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 09:14:53 -0700
   From: Mike Drew <[22]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   To: Richard Greenblum <[23]richard at richardgreenblum.com>
   Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[24]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
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   All,
   Aftermarket water pumps usually have two fittings with pipe plugs. One
   is the inlet for a heater hose but I don?t know what the other would be
   used for? Could that be an option?
   Mike
   Sent from my iPad
   > On Jul 28, 2020, at 08:52, Richard Greenblum
   <[26]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
   >
   > ?All,
   >
   > Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?  With
   no water in the intake, 351C?s are short one location.  I?m very
   reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).  I
   understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge will
   not yield accurate water temps.
   >
   > Thanks,
   >
   > Richard
   > Austin, TX
   >
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   Message: 4
   Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 11:25:12 -0500
   From: Richard Greenblum <[29]richard at richardgreenblum.com>
   To: Mike Drew <[30]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[31]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
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   Mike,
   That was my original plan, but Dennis Quella told me that location is
   bad due to turbulence causing inaccurate readings.  If I have to, I can
   connect the garage there and hope I don?t have an issue with water
   temp, but that would be pretty risky.  He suggested drilling a head.
   CHI?s are billet, so it?s not obvious where the water jacket is.  I?d
   have to ask them for a template or at least some guidance on where to
   drill if that?s where I end up...
   > On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:14, Mike Drew <[33]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
   >
   > All,
   >
   > Aftermarket water pumps usually have two fittings with pipe plugs.
   One is the inlet for a heater hose but I don?t know what the other
   would be used for? Could that be an option?
   >
   > Mike
   >
   > Sent from my iPad
   >
   >> On Jul 28, 2020, at 08:52, Richard Greenblum
   <[34]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
   >>
   >> ?All,
   >>
   >> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?  With
   no water in the intake, 351C?s are short one location.  I?m very
   reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).  I
   understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge will
   not yield accurate water temps.
   >>
   >> Thanks,
   >>
   >> Richard
   >> Austin, TX
   >>
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   Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 09:57:13 -0700
   From: Mike Drew <[37]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   To: Richard Greenblum <[38]richard at richardgreenblum.com>
   Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[39]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
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   Hmm. Drill extremely expensive and non-obvious cylinder head, or drill
   into a cheap and easily replaced water pipe and have a bung fitted, as
   the factory did originally?
   I know what would do.....
   Mike
   Sent from my iPad
   > On Jul 28, 2020, at 09:24, Richard Greenblum
   <[41]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
   >
   > ?Mike,
   >
   > That was my original plan, but Dennis Quella told me that location is
   bad due to turbulence causing inaccurate readings.  If I have to, I can
   connect the garage there and hope I don?t have an issue with water
   temp, but that would be pretty risky.  He suggested drilling a head.
   CHI?s are billet, so it?s not obvious where the water jacket is.  I?d
   have to ask them for a template or at least some guidance on where to
   drill if that?s where I end up...
   >
   >
   >> On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:14, Mike Drew <[42]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
   >>
   >> All,
   >>
   >> Aftermarket water pumps usually have two fittings with pipe plugs.
   One is the inlet for a heater hose but I don?t know what the other
   would be used for? Could that be an option?
   >>
   >> Mike
   >>
   >> Sent from my iPad
   >>
   >>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 08:52, Richard Greenblum
   <[43]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
   >>>
   >>> ?All,
   >>>
   >>> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?
   With no water in the intake, 351C?s are short one location.  I?m very
   reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).  I
   understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge will
   not yield accurate water temps.
   >>>
   >>> Thanks,
   >>>
   >>> Richard
   >>> Austin, TX
   >>>
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   Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 17:01:47 +0000
   From: Julian Kift <[48]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   To: Richard Greenblum <[49]richard at richardgreenblum.com>, Mike Drew
       <[50]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
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   What do you want to record or use as temperature for EFI control? The
   water pump is a suction pump so at that point the temperature is prior
   to any heat soak of the engine, not a true operating temperature.
   Ideally for EFI I think you want the exit of the thermostat, which
   poses a constraint prior to the thermostat opening.
   CHI offer the drilled for Clevor crossover option (i.e. when using a
   dry Cleveland intake manifold) , attached their 3V drawing for port
   location, but you should also be able to drill through the manifold to
   tap into the head water passage. That is quite a common crossover to do
   to reduce air pockets at the rea of the heads.
   Julian
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   From: DeTomaso <[53]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
   of Richard Greenblum <[54]richard at richardgreenblum.com>
   Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 9:25 AM
   To: Mike Drew <[55]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[56]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
   Mike,
   That was my original plan, but Dennis Quella told me that location is
   bad due to turbulence causing inaccurate readings.  If I have to, I can
   connect the garage there and hope I don?t have an issue with water
   temp, but that would be pretty risky.  He suggested drilling a head.
   CHI?s are billet, so it?s not obvious where the water jacket is.  I?d
   have to ask them for a template or at least some guidance on where to
   drill if that?s where I end up...
   > On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:14, Mike Drew <[57]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
   >
   > All,
   >
   > Aftermarket water pumps usually have two fittings with pipe plugs.
   One is the inlet for a heater hose but I don?t know what the other
   would be used for? Could that be an option?
   >
   > Mike
   >
   > Sent from my iPad
   >
   >> On Jul 28, 2020, at 08:52, Richard Greenblum
   <[58]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
   >>
   >> ?All,
   >>
   >> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?  With
   no water in the intake, 351C?s are short one location.  I?m very
   reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).  I
   understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge will
   not yield accurate water temps.
   >>
   >> Thanks,
   >>
   >> Richard
   >> Austin, TX
   >>
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     What do you want to record or use as temperature for EFI control? The
     water pump is a suction pump so at that point the temperature is
   prior
     to any heat soak of the engine, not a true operating temperature.
     Ideally for EFI I think you want the exit of the thermostat, which
     poses a constraint prior to the thermostat opening.
     CHI offer the drilled for Clevor crossover option (i.e. when using a
     dry Cleveland intake manifold) , attached their 3V drawing for port
     location, but you should also be able to drill through the manifold
   to
     tap into the head water passage. That is quite a common crossover to
   do
     to reduce air pockets at the rea of the heads.
     Julian
       __________________________________________________________________
     From: DeTomaso <[63]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf of
     Richard Greenblum <[64]richard at richardgreenblum.com>
     Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 9:25 AM
     To: Mike Drew <[65]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
     Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[66]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
     Mike,
     That was my original plan, but Dennis Quella told me that location is
     bad due to turbulence causing inaccurate readings.  If I have to, I
   can
     connect the garage there and hope I don't have an issue with water
     temp, but that would be pretty risky.  He suggested drilling a head.
     CHI's are billet, so it's not obvious where the water jacket is.  I'd
     have to ask them for a template or at least some guidance on where to
     drill if that's where I end up...
     > On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:14, Mike Drew <[67]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
     >
     > All,
     >
     > Aftermarket water pumps usually have two fittings with pipe plugs.
     One is the inlet for a heater hose but I don't know what the other
     would be used for? Could that be an option?
     >
     > Mike
     >
     > Sent from my iPad
     >
     >> On Jul 28, 2020, at 08:52, Richard Greenblum
     <[68]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
     >>
     >> All,
     >>
     >> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?
   With
     no water in the intake, 351C's are short one location.  I'm very
     reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).  I
     understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge
   will
     not yield accurate water temps.
     >>
     >> Thanks,
     >>
     >> Richard
     >> Austin, TX
     >>
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   Message: 7
   Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 19:21:05 +0200
   From: "=?utf-8?Q?Thomas_T=C3=B6rnblom?=" <[76]tipo874 at gmail.com>
   To: Richard Greenblum <[77]richard at richardgreenblum.com>
   Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[78]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
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   I started with the EFI from a 5.0 Mustang, and have larger injectors,
   MAF and TB, plus a TwEECer for tuning and logging.
   I?m also running distributor less (EDIS)
   For more info, see: www.hax.se/efi
   Cheers,
   Thomas
   > 28 juli 2020 kl. 18:18 skrev Richard Greenblum
   <[80]richard at richardgreenblum.com>:
   >
   > ?Thomas,
   >
   > I?m installing the stainless pipe set I bought decades ago so there?s
   no bung, but I thought about adding one. The problem, as you know, is
   the temp there is colder unless the thermostat is open. I take it your
   EFI system works with it there?which one do you have?
   >
   >
   >> On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:01, Thomas T?rnblom <[81]tipo874 at gmail.com>
   wrote:
   >>
   >> I?m using the bung in the pipe from the thermostat to the swirl
   tank, where the vacuum thermo-switch was located.
   >>
   >> I have drilled a couple of small holes in the thermostat so there is
   some flow there even when the thermostat is closed.
   >>
   >> Thomas
   >>
   >>>> 28 juli 2020 kl. 17:53 skrev Richard Greenblum
   <[82]richard at richardgreenblum.com>:
   >>>
   >>> ?All,
   >>>
   >>> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?
   With no water in the intake, 351C?s are short one location.  I?m very
   reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).  I
   understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge will
   not yield accurate water temps.
   >>>
   >>> Thanks,
   >>>
   >>> Richard
   >>> Austin, TX
   >>>
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   Message: 8
   Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 10:30:58 -0700
   From: "Mike & Elizabeth" <[87]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
   To: "'Detomaso List'" <[88]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: [DeTomaso] '73 #2172 for sale on BaT
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   <[89]https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-detomaso-pantera-20/>
   [90]https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-detomaso-pantera-20/
   Looks like a nice car (I know, I've said that before  . . . ).  This
   one
   refers to the latest owner passing away before the engine rebuild was
   finished.  Do we know who this car belonged to?
   Mike Thomas
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     [1][91]https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-detomaso-pantera-20/
     Looks like a nice car (I know, I've said that before  . . . ).  This
     one refers to the latest owner passing away before the engine rebuild
     was finished.  Do we know who this car belonged to?
     Mike Thomas
   References
     1. [92]https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-detomaso-pantera-20/
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   Message: 9
   Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:48:25 -0500
   From: Richard Greenblum <[93]richard at richardgreenblum.com>
   To: Mike Drew <[94]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[95]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
   Message-ID:
       <[96]A7790DE8-EF98-4643-9214-F615CCE68820 at richardgreenblum.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
   I?m headed that direction, as Thomas (and Bill Bitner privately)
   suggested.  It may be that the Sniper doesn?t need that much input
   after the engine warms up, or simply facing reality, the thermostat
   isn?t going to be closed where I drive the car...
   > On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:57, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
   <[97]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   >
   > Hmm. Drill extremely expensive and non-obvious cylinder head, or
   drill into a cheap and easily replaced water pipe and have a bung
   fitted, as the factory did originally?
   >
   > I know what would do.....
   >
   > Mike
   >
   > Sent from my iPad
   >
   >> On Jul 28, 2020, at 09:24, Richard Greenblum
   <[98]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
   >>
   >> ?Mike,
   >>
   >> That was my original plan, but Dennis Quella told me that location
   is bad due to turbulence causing inaccurate readings.  If I have to, I
   can connect the garage there and hope I don?t have an issue with water
   temp, but that would be pretty risky.  He suggested drilling a head.
   CHI?s are billet, so it?s not obvious where the water jacket is.  I?d
   have to ask them for a template or at least some guidance on where to
   drill if that?s where I end up...
   >>
   >>
   >>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:14, Mike Drew <[99]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
   >>>
   >>> All,
   >>>
   >>> Aftermarket water pumps usually have two fittings with pipe plugs.
   One is the inlet for a heater hose but I don?t know what the other
   would be used for? Could that be an option?
   >>>
   >>> Mike
   >>>
   >>> Sent from my iPad
   >>>
   >>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 08:52, Richard Greenblum
   <[100]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
   >>>>
   >>>> ?All,
   >>>>
   >>>> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?
   With no water in the intake, 351C?s are short one location.  I?m very
   reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).  I
   understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge will
   not yield accurate water temps.
   >>>>
   >>>> Thanks,
   >>>>
   >>>> Richard
   >>>> Austin, TX
   >>>>
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   Message: 10
   Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:52:49 -0500
   From: Richard Greenblum <[107]richard at richardgreenblum.com>
   To: Julian Kift <[108]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   Cc: Mike Drew <[109]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, DeTomaso Mail List
       <[110]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
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   Thanks Julian, but I already have the dry manifold setup which I?d like
   to keep (a FoMoCo Buddy Bar aluminum sqaure-bore version of the factory
   manifold), so the crossover thing would mean a change.  I'm going to
   contact a Sniper specialist to ask him what the EFI needs.  I think he
   has a Mustang with a 351C in it, so he may be very familiar with the
   situation.
   > On Jul 28, 2020, at 12:01, Julian Kift <[112]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   wrote:
   >
   > What do you want to record or use as temperature for EFI control? The
   water pump is a suction pump so at that point the temperature is prior
   to any heat soak of the engine, not a true operating temperature.
   Ideally for EFI I think you want the exit of the thermostat, which
   poses a constraint prior to the thermostat opening.
   >
   > CHI offer the drilled for Clevor crossover option (i.e. when using a
   dry Cleveland intake manifold) , attached their 3V drawing for port
   location, but you should also be able to drill through the manifold to
   tap into the head water passage. That is quite a common crossover to do
   to reduce air pockets at the rea of the heads.
   >
   > Julian
   >
   > From: DeTomaso <[113]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf of Richard Greenblum <[114]richard at richardgreenblum.com>
   > Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 9:25 AM
   > To: Mike Drew <[115]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   > Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[116]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
   >
   > Mike,
   >
   > That was my original plan, but Dennis Quella told me that location is
   bad due to turbulence causing inaccurate readings.  If I have to, I can
   connect the garage there and hope I don?t have an issue with water
   temp, but that would be pretty risky.  He suggested drilling a head.
   CHI?s are billet, so it?s not obvious where the water jacket is.  I?d
   have to ask them for a template or at least some guidance on where to
   drill if that?s where I end up...
   >
   >
   > > On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:14, Mike Drew <[117]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   wrote:
   > >
   > > All,
   > >
   > > Aftermarket water pumps usually have two fittings with pipe plugs.
   One is the inlet for a heater hose but I don?t know what the other
   would be used for? Could that be an option?
   > >
   > > Mike
   > >
   > > Sent from my iPad
   > >
   > >> On Jul 28, 2020, at 08:52, Richard Greenblum
   <[118]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
   > >>
   > >> ?All,
   > >>
   > >> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?
   With no water in the intake, 351C?s are short one location.  I?m very
   reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).  I
   understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge will
   not yield accurate water temps.
   > >>
   > >> Thanks,
   > >>
   > >> Richard
   > >> Austin, TX
   > >>
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     Thanks Julian, but I already have the dry manifold setup which I'd
   like
     to keep (a FoMoCo Buddy Bar aluminum sqaure-bore version of the
   factory
     manifold), so the crossover thing would mean a change.  I'm going to
     contact a Sniper specialist to ask him what the EFI needs.  I think
   he
     has a Mustang with a 351C in it, so he may be very familiar with the
     situation.
     On Jul 28, 2020, at 12:01, Julian Kift
   <[1][125]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
     wrote:
     What do you want to record or use as temperature for EFI control? The
     water pump is a suction pump so at that point the temperature is
   prior
     to any heat soak of the engine, not a true operating temperature.
     Ideally for EFI I think you want the exit of the thermostat, which
     poses a constraint prior to the thermostat opening.
     CHI offer the drilled for Clevor crossover option (i.e. when using a
     dry Cleveland intake manifold) , attached their 3V drawing for port
     location, but you should also be able to drill through the manifold
   to
     tap into the head water passage. That is quite a common crossover to
   do
     to reduce air pockets at the rea of the heads.
     Julian
       __________________________________________________________________
     From: DeTomaso <[2][126]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf
     of Richard Greenblum <[3][127]richard at richardgreenblum.com>
     Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 9:25 AM
     To: Mike Drew <[4][128]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
     Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[5][129]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
     Mike,
     That was my original plan, but Dennis Quella told me that location is
     bad due to turbulence causing inaccurate readings.  If I have to, I
   can
     connect the garage there and hope I don't have an issue with water
     temp, but that would be pretty risky.  He suggested drilling a head.
     CHI's are billet, so it's not obvious where the water jacket is.  I'd
     have to ask them for a template or at least some guidance on where to
     drill if that's where I end up...
     > On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:14, Mike Drew <[6][130]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   wrote:
     >
     > All,
     >
     > Aftermarket water pumps usually have two fittings with pipe plugs.
     One is the inlet for a heater hose but I don't know what the other
     would be used for? Could that be an option?
     >
     > Mike
     >
     > Sent from my iPad
     >
     >> On Jul 28, 2020, at 08:52, Richard Greenblum
     <[7][131]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
     >>
     >> All,
     >>
     >> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?
   With
     no water in the intake, 351C's are short one location.  I'm very
     reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).  I
     understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge
   will
     not yield accurate water temps.
     >>
     >> Thanks,
     >>
     >> Richard
     >> Austin, TX
     >>
     >> _______________________________________________
     >>
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   References
     1. mailto:[136]julian_kift at hotmail.com
     2. mailto:[137]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
     3. mailto:[138]richard at richardgreenblum.com
     4. mailto:[139]MikeLDrew at aol.com
     5. mailto:[140]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     6. mailto:[141]MikeLDrew at aol.com
     7. mailto:[142]richard at richardgreenblum.com
     8. mailto:[143]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     9. [144]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
     10. mailto:[145]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     11. [146]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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   Message: 11
   Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 20:18:15 +0200
   From: Thomas T?rnblom <[147]thomas at hax.se>
   To: Richard Greenblum <[148]richard at richardgreenblum.com>
   Cc: Mike Drew <[149]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, DeTomaso Mail List
       <[150]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
   Message-ID: <[151]918F81F0-02DE-41D2-AB53-DCA557D6085D at hax.se>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
   You could fabricate an H pipe bypass with a 3/8 NPT bung and connect
   between the heater hoses and barbs. A trickle flow between the input
   and output should be enough.
   Thomas
   > 28 juli 2020 kl. 19:48 skrev Richard Greenblum
   <[152]richard at richardgreenblum.com>:
   >
   > ?I?m headed that direction, as Thomas (and Bill Bitner privately)
   suggested.  It may be that the Sniper doesn?t need that much input
   after the engine warms up, or simply facing reality, the thermostat
   isn?t going to be closed where I drive the car...
   >
   >
   >> On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:57, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
   <[153]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   >>
   >> Hmm. Drill extremely expensive and non-obvious cylinder head, or
   drill into a cheap and easily replaced water pipe and have a bung
   fitted, as the factory did originally?
   >>
   >> I know what would do.....
   >>
   >> Mike
   >>
   >> Sent from my iPad
   >>
   >>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 09:24, Richard Greenblum
   <[154]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
   >>>
   >>> ?Mike,
   >>>
   >>> That was my original plan, but Dennis Quella told me that location
   is bad due to turbulence causing inaccurate readings.  If I have to, I
   can connect the garage there and hope I don?t have an issue with water
   temp, but that would be pretty risky.  He suggested drilling a head.
   CHI?s are billet, so it?s not obvious where the water jacket is.  I?d
   have to ask them for a template or at least some guidance on where to
   drill if that?s where I end up...
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:14, Mike Drew <[155]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   wrote:
   >>>>
   >>>> All,
   >>>>
   >>>> Aftermarket water pumps usually have two fittings with pipe plugs.
   One is the inlet for a heater hose but I don?t know what the other
   would be used for? Could that be an option?
   >>>>
   >>>> Mike
   >>>>
   >>>> Sent from my iPad
   >>>>
   >>>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 08:52, Richard Greenblum
   <[156]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
   >>>>>
   >>>>> ?All,
   >>>>>
   >>>>> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?
   With no water in the intake, 351C?s are short one location.  I?m very
   reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).  I
   understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge will
   not yield accurate water temps.
   >>>>>
   >>>>> Thanks,
   >>>>>
   >>>>> Richard
   >>>>> Austin, TX
   >>>>>
   >>>>> _______________________________________________
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   Message: 12
   Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 11:31:06 -0700
   From: Dave Londry <[165]davel at trguys.com>
   To: [166]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fwd: RE: Re: Pic of the day...
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   Mr Vanelli said:
   Under the cover of night
   She crawls into sight
   Her skin is cold china white
   She's a dark angel wearing dark glasses
   Dark shadows under long false lashes
   The night exposes the cracks
   She wears her makeup like wax
   To hide every scratch
   'Cause she a dark angel riding dark horses
   Sitting pretty in her dim lit covers... I say
   Black cars look better in the shade
   She smears her lipstick on right before she sleeps
   For all those phantom lovers in her dreams
   She smokes them french cigarettes
   In cocktail gloves and a strapless dress
   She cuts a perfect silhouette
   But she's a dark angel wearing dark glasses
   A fading beauty as the night time passes... I say
   Black cars look better in the shade
   Black cars look better in the shade
   dave
   On 2020-07-27 8:56 p.m., marshallgsmith wrote:
   >    Here's #1333 under the shade of avocado trees in front of the
   beautiful
   >    home of the hospitable and generous Dave and Linda Adler.
   >
   >    Photo courtesy of Shad Bruce.
   >
   >    Cheers all!
   >
   >    Marshall
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   >
   >
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     Mr Vanelli said:
     Under the cover of night
     She crawls into sight
     Her skin is cold china white
     She's a dark angel wearing dark glasses
     Dark shadows under long false lashes
     The night exposes the cracks
     She wears her makeup like wax
     To hide every scratch
     'Cause she a dark angel riding dark horses
     Sitting pretty in her dim lit covers... I say
     Black cars look better in the shade
     She smears her lipstick on right before she sleeps
     For all those phantom lovers in her dreams
     She smokes them french cigarettes
     In cocktail gloves and a strapless dress
     She cuts a perfect silhouette
     But she's a dark angel wearing dark glasses
     A fading beauty as the night time passes... I say
     Black cars look better in the shade
     Black cars look better in the shade
     dave
     On 2020-07-27 8:56 p.m., marshallgsmith wrote:
     Here's #1333 under the shade of avocado trees in front of the
   beautiful
     home of the hospitable and generous Dave and Linda Adler.
     Photo courtesy of Shad Bruce.
     Cheers all!
     Marshall
     Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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   Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 11:35:16 -0700
   From: Dave Londry <[177]davel at trguys.com>
   To: [178]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Any issues with running positive and ground
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   I run a voltmeter, so wasn't not top of mind for me.
   There are a lot of noise-sensitive boxes that ask for battery
   connection
   with minimal-length and a specified gauge.
   The belief is that the battery is the best filter in the car.
   dave
   On 2020-07-27 9:37 p.m., Ken Green via DeTomaso wrote:
   >    I thought about going to the starter, but it seems like there
   could be
   >    voltage//current fluctuations when the engine is cranking?  Maybe
   the
   >    same with the alternator?
   >    Ken
   >
   >    On Monday, July 27, 2020, 8:14:14 PM PDT, Thomas TAP:rnblom
   >    <[180]thomas at hax.se> wrote:
   >    I take power to the EFI from the alternator.
   >    After all, it is the alternator that ultimately supply all power
   and
   >    taking power from the battery will make the ammeter show the EFI
   >    current incorrectly as charging.
   >    If you really want to use battery power you can take that from the
   >    battery cable on the starter relay, but it is wrong in my opinion.
   >    Thomas
   >    > 28 juli 2020 kl. 03:52 skrev Ken Green via DeTomaso
   >    <[1][181]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>:
   >    >
   >    > i>>?  One wire in the FAST wire harness had a relay and fuse.  I
   >    built a
   >    >  custom relay panel and will just add a dedicated relay and fuse
   to
   >    it
   >    >  to keep all the relays and fuses together.  I dropped the
   battery,
   >    and
   >    >  the panel is mounted to the bulkhead just above the battery.
   >    >
   >    >  On Monday, July 27, 2020, 6:42:26 PM PDT, Dave Londry
   >    >  <[2][182]davel at trguys.com> wrote:
   >    >    And you're thinking a relay and a fuse?
   >    >    Dave
   >    >    On 2020-07-27 6:37 p.m., Ken Green via DeTomaso wrote:
   >    >    I have 6 dedicated wires from the battery to the ECU, which
   will
   >    be
   >    >    mounted to the fire wall behind the passenger seat.  They are
   all
   >    >  power
   >    >    or ground, not signals.  I'd like to just run them in a
   jacket
   >    >  through
   >    >    the center counsel, tying them away from the ZF linkage.
   Anyone
   >    see
   >    >    any problem with this?
   >    >    Thanks,
   >    >    Ken
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     I run a voltmeter, so wasn't not top of mind for me.
     There are a lot of noise-sensitive boxes that ask for battery
     connection with minimal-length and a specified gauge.
     The belief is that the battery is the best filter in the car.
     dave
     On 2020-07-27 9:37 p.m., Ken Green via DeTomaso wrote:
     I thought about going to the starter, but it seems like there could
   be
     voltage//current fluctuations when the engine is cranking?  Maybe the
     same with the alternator?
     Ken
     On Monday, July 27, 2020, 8:14:14 PM PDT, Thomas TAP:rnblom
     [1]<[228]thomas at hax.se> wrote:
     I take power to the EFI from the alternator.
     After all, it is the alternator that ultimately supply all power and
     taking power from the battery will make the ammeter show the EFI
     current incorrectly as charging.
     If you really want to use battery power you can take that from the
     battery cable on the starter relay, but it is wrong in my opinion.
     Thomas
     > 28 juli 2020 kl. 03:52 skrev Ken Green via DeTomaso
     [2]<[1][229]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>:
     >
     > i>>?  One wire in the FAST wire harness had a relay and fuse.  I
     built a
     >  custom relay panel and will just add a dedicated relay and fuse to
     it
     >  to keep all the relays and fuses together.  I dropped the battery,
     and
     >  the panel is mounted to the bulkhead just above the battery.
     >
     >  On Monday, July 27, 2020, 6:42:26 PM PDT, Dave Londry
     >  [3]<[2][230]davel at trguys.com> wrote:
     >    And you're thinking a relay and a fuse?
     >    Dave
     >    On 2020-07-27 6:37 p.m., Ken Green via DeTomaso wrote:
     >    I have 6 dedicated wires from the battery to the ECU, which will
     be
     >    mounted to the fire wall behind the passenger seat.  They are
   all
     >  power
     >    or ground, not signals.  I'd like to just run them in a jacket
     >  through
     >    the center counsel, tying them away from the ZF linkage.  Anyone
     see
     >    any problem with this?
     >    Thanks,
     >    Ken
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   Message: 14
   Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 13:43:42 -0500
   From: David <[324]david at msmcontractors.org>
   To: Julian Kift <[325]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   Cc: Mike Drew <[326]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, DeTomaso Mail List
       <[327]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>, Richard Greenblum
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   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
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   Side of Block on Passenger side maybe?
   David Finley
   3659
   > On Jul 28, 2020, at 12:01 PM, Julian Kift
   <[330]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
   >
   >  What do you want to record or use as temperature for EFI control?
   The
   >  water pump is a suction pump so at that point the temperature is
   prior
   >  to any heat soak of the engine, not a true operating temperature.
   >  Ideally for EFI I think you want the exit of the thermostat, which
   >  poses a constraint prior to the thermostat opening.
   >
   >  CHI offer the drilled for Clevor crossover option (i.e. when using a
   >  dry Cleveland intake manifold) , attached their 3V drawing for port
   >  location, but you should also be able to drill through the manifold
   to
   >  tap into the head water passage. That is quite a common crossover to
   do
   >  to reduce air pockets at the rea of the heads.
   >
   >  Julian
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   >  Mike,
   >  That was my original plan, but Dennis Quella told me that location
   is
   >  bad due to turbulence causing inaccurate readings.  If I have to, I
   can
   >  connect the garage there and hope I don't have an issue with water
   >  temp, but that would be pretty risky.  He suggested drilling a head.
   >  CHI's are billet, so it's not obvious where the water jacket is.
   I'd
   >  have to ask them for a template or at least some guidance on where
   to
   >  drill if that's where I end up...
   >> On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:14, Mike Drew <[335]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:
   >>
   >> All,
   >>
   >> Aftermarket water pumps usually have two fittings with pipe plugs.
   >  One is the inlet for a heater hose but I don't know what the other
   >  would be used for? Could that be an option?
   >>
   >> Mike
   >>
   >> Sent from my iPad
   >>
   >>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 08:52, Richard Greenblum
   >  <[336]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
   >>>
   >>> All,
   >>>
   >>> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?
   With
   >  no water in the intake, 351C's are short one location.  I'm very
   >  reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).  I
   >  understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge
   will
   >  not yield accurate water temps.
   >>>
   >>> Thanks,
   >>>
   >>> Richard
   >>> Austin, TX
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   Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 18:55:36 +0000 (UTC)
   From: Ken Green <[345]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
   To: Richard Greenblum <[346]richard at richardgreenblum.com>,  Thomas
   T?rnblom
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   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
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   Does where you sample the coolant temp make much of the difference?
   Seems like the temp in the heads or near the flow to the thermostat
   would be hotter than in the block?
   Ken
       On Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 11:18:36 AM PDT, Thomas T?rnblom
   <[351]thomas at hax.se> wrote:
   You could fabricate an H pipe bypass with a 3/8 NPT bung and connect
   between the heater hoses and barbs. A trickle flow between the input
   and output should be enough.
   Thomas
   > 28 juli 2020 kl. 19:48 skrev Richard Greenblum
   <[352]richard at richardgreenblum.com>:
   >
   > ?I?m headed that direction, as Thomas (and Bill Bitner privately)
   suggested.? It may be that the Sniper doesn?t need that much input
   after the engine warms up, or simply facing reality, the thermostat
   isn?t going to be closed where I drive the car...
   >
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   >> On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:57, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
   <[353]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   >>
   >> Hmm. Drill extremely expensive and non-obvious cylinder head, or
   drill into a cheap and easily replaced water pipe and have a bung
   fitted, as the factory did originally?
   >>
   >> I know what would do.....
   >>
   >> Mike
   >>
   >> Sent from my iPad
   >>
   >>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 09:24, Richard Greenblum
   <[354]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
   >>>
   >>> ?Mike,
   >>>
   >>> That was my original plan, but Dennis Quella told me that location
   is bad due to turbulence causing inaccurate readings.? If I have to, I
   can connect the garage there and hope I don?t have an issue with water
   temp, but that would be pretty risky.? He suggested drilling a head.?
   CHI?s are billet, so it?s not obvious where the water jacket is.? I?d
   have to ask them for a template or at least some guidance on where to
   drill if that?s where I end up...
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:14, Mike Drew <[355]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   wrote:
   >>>>
   >>>> All,
   >>>>
   >>>> Aftermarket water pumps usually have two fittings with pipe plugs.
   One is the inlet for a heater hose but I don?t know what the other
   would be used for? Could that be an option?
   >>>>
   >>>> Mike
   >>>>
   >>>> Sent from my iPad
   >>>>
   >>>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 08:52, Richard Greenblum
   <[356]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
   >>>>>
   >>>>> ?All,
   >>>>>
   >>>>> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system??
   With no water in the intake, 351C?s are short one location.? I?m very
   reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).? I
   understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge will
   not yield accurate water temps.
   >>>>>
   >>>>> Thanks,
   >>>>>
   >>>>> Richard
   >>>>> Austin, TX
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     Does where you sample the coolant temp make much of the difference?
     Seems like the temp in the heads or near the flow to the thermostat
     would be hotter than in the block?
     Ken
     On Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 11:18:36 AM PDT, Thomas TAP:rnblom
     <[367]thomas at hax.se> wrote:
     You could fabricate an H pipe bypass with a 3/8 NPT bung and connect
     between the heater hoses and barbs. A trickle flow between the input
     and output should be enough.
     Thomas
     > 28 juli 2020 kl. 19:48 skrev Richard Greenblum
     <[1][368]richard at richardgreenblum.com>:
     >
     > i>>?Iam headed that direction, as Thomas (and Bill Bitner
   privately)
     suggested.  It may be that the Sniper doesnat need that much input
     after the engine warms up, or simply facing reality, the thermostat
     isnat going to be closed where I drive the car...
     >
     >
     >> On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:57, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
     <[2][369]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
     >>
     >> Hmm. Drill extremely expensive and non-obvious cylinder head, or
     drill into a cheap and easily replaced water pipe and have a bung
     fitted, as the factory did originally?
     >>
     >> I know what would do.....
     >>
     >> Mike
     >>
     >> Sent from my iPad
     >>
     >>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 09:24, Richard Greenblum
     <[3][370]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
     >>>
     >>> i>>?Mike,
     >>>
     >>> That was my original plan, but Dennis Quella told me that
   location
     is bad due to turbulence causing inaccurate readings.  If I have to,
   I
     can connect the garage there and hope I donat have an issue with
   water
     temp, but that would be pretty risky.  He suggested drilling a head.
     CHIas are billet, so itas not obvious where the water jacket is.  Iad
     have to ask them for a template or at least some guidance on where to
     drill if thatas where I end up...
     >>>
     >>>
     >>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:14, Mike Drew <[4][371]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   wrote:
     >>>>
     >>>> All,
     >>>>
     >>>> Aftermarket water pumps usually have two fittings with pipe
   plugs.
     One is the inlet for a heater hose but I donat know what the other
     would be used for? Could that be an option?
     >>>>
     >>>> Mike
     >>>>
     >>>> Sent from my iPad
     >>>>
     >>>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 08:52, Richard Greenblum
     <[5][372]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
     >>>>>
     >>>>> i>>?All,
     >>>>>
     >>>>> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?
     With no water in the intake, 351Cas are short one location.  Iam very
     reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).  I
     understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge
   will
     not yield accurate water temps.
     >>>>>
     >>>>> Thanks,
     >>>>>
     >>>>> Richard
     >>>>> Austin, TX
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   Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 13:57:47 -0500
   From: Richard Greenblum <[398]richard at richardgreenblum.com>
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   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
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   I think your first suggestion (along with Mike?s concurrence) sounds
   like the easiest and cleanest solution.
   > On Jul 28, 2020, at 13:18, Thomas T?rnblom <[401]thomas at hax.se>
   wrote:
   >
   > You could fabricate an H pipe bypass with a 3/8 NPT bung and connect
   between the heater hoses and barbs. A trickle flow between the input
   and output should be enough.
   >
   > Thomas
   >
   >> 28 juli 2020 kl. 19:48 skrev Richard Greenblum
   <[402]richard at richardgreenblum.com>:
   >>
   >> ?I?m headed that direction, as Thomas (and Bill Bitner privately)
   suggested.  It may be that the Sniper doesn?t need that much input
   after the engine warms up, or simply facing reality, the thermostat
   isn?t going to be closed where I drive the car...
   >>
   >>
   >>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:57, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
   <[403]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   >>>
   >>> Hmm. Drill extremely expensive and non-obvious cylinder head, or
   drill into a cheap and easily replaced water pipe and have a bung
   fitted, as the factory did originally?
   >>>
   >>> I know what would do.....
   >>>
   >>> Mike
   >>>
   >>> Sent from my iPad
   >>>
   >>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 09:24, Richard Greenblum
   <[404]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
   >>>>
   >>>> ?Mike,
   >>>>
   >>>> That was my original plan, but Dennis Quella told me that location
   is bad due to turbulence causing inaccurate readings.  If I have to, I
   can connect the garage there and hope I don?t have an issue with water
   temp, but that would be pretty risky.  He suggested drilling a head.
   CHI?s are billet, so it?s not obvious where the water jacket is.  I?d
   have to ask them for a template or at least some guidance on where to
   drill if that?s where I end up...
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:14, Mike Drew <[405]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   wrote:
   >>>>>
   >>>>> All,
   >>>>>
   >>>>> Aftermarket water pumps usually have two fittings with pipe
   plugs. One is the inlet for a heater hose but I don?t know what the
   other would be used for? Could that be an option?
   >>>>>
   >>>>> Mike
   >>>>>
   >>>>> Sent from my iPad
   >>>>>
   >>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 08:52, Richard Greenblum
   <[406]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>> ?All,
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?
   With no water in the intake, 351C?s are short one location.  I?m very
   reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).  I
   understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge will
   not yield accurate water temps.
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>> Thanks,
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>> Richard
   >>>>>> Austin, TX
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   Subject: [DeTomaso] Installing Edelbrock Carb
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   I'm thinking of installing an Edelbrock Performer carb on the Pantera.?
   I'm tired of Holly.  The currently installed Holly has the throttle
   cable attaching about 1-3/8" down below the throttle shaft.? From the
   Edelbrock  photos it appears their carb does not have much of a
   throttle linkage plate below the throttle shaft centerline on which to
   attach the forward running throttle cable.
   I'm sure I'm not the first to do this installation.? Any one have a
   comment or recommendation on throttle cable hook-up?
   Thanks,
   Fred Foreman
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   Message: 18
   Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 13:59:52 -0500
   From: Richard Greenblum <[421]richard at richardgreenblum.com>
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   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
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   I screw that up and I?m in BIG trouble?rather destroy a head!
   > On Jul 28, 2020, at 13:43, David <[424]david at msmcontractors.org>
   wrote:
   >
   > Side of Block on Passenger side maybe?
   > David Finley
   > 3659
   >
   >> On Jul 28, 2020, at 12:01 PM, Julian Kift
   <[425]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
   >>
   >>  What do you want to record or use as temperature for EFI control?
   The
   >>  water pump is a suction pump so at that point the temperature is
   prior
   >>  to any heat soak of the engine, not a true operating temperature.
   >>  Ideally for EFI I think you want the exit of the thermostat, which
   >>  poses a constraint prior to the thermostat opening.
   >>
   >>  CHI offer the drilled for Clevor crossover option (i.e. when using
   a
   >>  dry Cleveland intake manifold) , attached their 3V drawing for port
   >>  location, but you should also be able to drill through the manifold
   to
   >>  tap into the head water passage. That is quite a common crossover
   to do
   >>  to reduce air pockets at the rea of the heads.
   >>
   >>  Julian
   >>
   __________________________________________________________________
   >>
   >>  From: DeTomaso <[426]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf of
   >>  Richard Greenblum <[427]richard at richardgreenblum.com>
   >>  Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 9:25 AM
   >>  To: Mike Drew <[428]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   >>  Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[429]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
   >>
   >>  Mike,
   >>  That was my original plan, but Dennis Quella told me that location
   is
   >>  bad due to turbulence causing inaccurate readings.  If I have to, I
   can
   >>  connect the garage there and hope I don't have an issue with water
   >>  temp, but that would be pretty risky.  He suggested drilling a
   head.
   >>  CHI's are billet, so it's not obvious where the water jacket is.
   I'd
   >>  have to ask them for a template or at least some guidance on where
   to
   >>  drill if that's where I end up...
   >>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:14, Mike Drew <[430]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   wrote:
   >>>
   >>> All,
   >>>
   >>> Aftermarket water pumps usually have two fittings with pipe plugs.
   >>  One is the inlet for a heater hose but I don't know what the other
   >>  would be used for? Could that be an option?
   >>>
   >>> Mike
   >>>
   >>> Sent from my iPad
   >>>
   >>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 08:52, Richard Greenblum
   >>  <[431]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
   >>>>
   >>>> All,
   >>>>
   >>>> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?
   With
   >>  no water in the intake, 351C's are short one location.  I'm very
   >>  reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).  I
   >>  understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge
   will
   >>  not yield accurate water temps.
   >>>>
   >>>> Thanks,
   >>>>
   >>>> Richard
   >>>> Austin, TX
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   Message: 19
   Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 19:39:45 +0000 (UTC)
   From: [440]jderyke at aol.com
   To: "[441]fred4man at att.net" <[442]fred4man at att.net>,
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   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Installing Edelbrock Carb
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   Thinking back 40 years, Fred, the Edelbrock carb is a redesigned Carter
   4bbl which as I remember was an amalgam of Rochester and the very early
   Holley that was not at all the same design as what we (mostly) love
   today. I have no experience with Carter/Edelbrocks beyond using one (of
   a pair) from a Chrysler 300 on my flathead Ford in high school. I know
   a few people use them on Panteras but in what state of tune, I don't
   know. Suggest buying a tuner book before you make the investment in the
   carb. Or call Edelbrock's tech line. They may try to convince you to go
   throttle body EFI.... Good luck.
   J DeRyke
   -----Original Message-----
   From: Fred Foreman <[446]fred4man at att.net>
   To: Detomas List <[447]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Sent: Tue, Jul 28, 2020 11:58 am
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Installing Edelbrock Carb
   I'm thinking of installing an Edelbrock Performer carb on the Pantera.?
   I'm tired of Holly.? The currently installed Holly has the throttle
   cable attaching about 1-3/8" down below the throttle shaft.? From the
   Edelbrock? photos it appears their carb does not have much of a
   throttle linkage plate below the throttle shaft centerline on which to
   attach the forward running throttle cable.
   I'm sure I'm not the first to do this installation.? Any one have a
   comment or recommendation on throttle cable hook-up?
   Thanks,
   Fred Foreman_______________________________________________
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     Thinking back 40 years, Fred, the Edelbrock carb is a redesigned
   Carter
     4bbl which as I remember was an amalgam of Rochester and the very
   early
     Holley that was not at all the same design as what we (mostly) love
     today. I have no experience with Carter/Edelbrocks beyond using one
   (of
     a pair) from a Chrysler 300 on my flathead Ford in high school. I
   know
     a few people use them on Panteras but in what state of tune, I don't
     know. Suggest buying a tuner book before you make the investment in
   the
     carb. Or call Edelbrock's tech line. They may try to convince you to
   go
     throttle body EFI.... Good luck.
     J DeRyke
     -----Original Message-----
     From: Fred Foreman <[450]fred4man at att.net>
     To: Detomas List <[451]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     Sent: Tue, Jul 28, 2020 11:58 am
     Subject: [DeTomaso] Installing Edelbrock Carb
     I'm thinking of installing an Edelbrock Performer carb on the
   Pantera.
     I'm tired of Holly.  The currently installed Holly has the throttle
     cable attaching about 1-3/8" down below the throttle shaft.  From the
     Edelbrock  photos it appears their carb does not have much of a
     throttle linkage plate below the throttle shaft centerline on which
   to
     attach the forward running throttle cable.
     I'm sure I'm not the first to do this installation.  Any one have a
     comment or recommendation on throttle cable hook-up?
     Thanks,
     Fred Foreman
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   Message: 20
   Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:59:08 -0700
   From: Larry Finch <[456]fresnofinches at aol.com>
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   Subject: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
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   Richard,
   You need to have a water temperature sensor for the EFI and a
   temperature sensor for the gauge. The two sensors cannot be placed in
   the same location, so the problem is locating two ....serviceable....
   sensor locations.
   The accuracy of a stock water temperature gauge has always been in
   question due to the mismatch between the sender and the Veglia gauge.
   Aftermarket gauges tend to avoid that mismatch. In reality the accuracy
   of any temperature gauge reading is totally dependent on the location
   of the sensor - whether it is OEM or aftermarket. But does it really
   matter what temperature the gauge is displaying ?  No, it doesn?t.
   Because with enough road miles an owner will come to understand what
   his cars?s normal gauge reading should be and will use that as a
   baseline, a baseline that is totally dependent on where that sensor is
   located. The ....accuracy.... of a normal gauge reading or an increased
   reading, due to the inherent inaccuracy of any gauge/sensor, is
   irrelevant.  The owner of that car knows he has a cooling issue when
   that baseline sees a notable increase in temperature; it is only that
   troublesome ....increase... that is cause for concern. The
   ...numbers... on the gauge are irrelevant.
   An EFI system, on the other hand, is by design dependent on an accurate
   and reliable temperature sensor.
   The Ford OEM location for the water temperature sensor is on the front
   of the block, below the thermostat. One can assume they chose that
   location for a reason of accuracy.
   I would place the EFI sensor in the OEM sensor location.
   As Mike mentioned earlier, most water pumps have an available threaded
   boss that can be utilized for the temperature gauge sensor. That sensor
   location will serve quite readily to provide the baseline reading for
   the temperature gauge. The accuracy of the baseline gauge display
   provided by that sensor at that location, as I noted above, is not
   a cause for concern.
   Assuming your water pump has an available threaded boss, there is no
   need to install a new bung in the coolant piping system; just place the
   gauge sensor in the water pump boss.
   My 2?
   Larry
   Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
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   Message: 21
   Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 13:16:41 -0700
   From: Mike Drew <[459]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   To: [460]fred4man at att.net
   Cc: Detomas List <[461]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Installing Edelbrock Carb
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   Fred,
   ?Tired of Holley? why exactly?
   If you have a poorly set up Holley, you have an owner problem, not a
   Holley problem.
   Substituting a poorly set up Edelbrock for your poorly set up Holley
   leaves you with the same problem. :) :) :)
   Mike
   Sent from my iPad
   > On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:58, Fred Foreman <[463]fred4man at att.net>
   wrote:
   >
   > ?I'm thinking of installing an Edelbrock Performer carb on the
   Pantera.  I'm tired of Holly.  The currently installed Holly has the
   throttle cable attaching about 1-3/8" down below the throttle shaft.
   From the Edelbrock  photos it appears their carb does not have much of
   a throttle linkage plate below the throttle shaft centerline on which
   to attach the forward running throttle cable.
   > I'm sure I'm not the first to do this installation.  Any one have a
   comment or recommendation on throttle cable hook-up?
   > Thanks,
   > Fred Foreman
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   Message: 22
   Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 16:19:20 -0400
   From: Will Kooiman <[466]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
   To: <[467]jderyke at aol.com>, "[468]fred4man at att.net"
   <[469]fred4man at att.net>,
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   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Installing Edelbrock Carb
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   Hi Fred,
   My car had an Edelbrock carburetor when I bought the car.
   The carburetor was brand new, but I still replaced it.  I think it was
   my first mod.  I'm sure it's a great carburetor, but I just prefer
   Holleys.
   I currently have a Holley Ultra HP 750 (which is awesome by the way).
   It has the same issue with the throttle cable as the Edelbrock.  To get
   everything lined up, I made a bracket out of sheet aluminum.
   You drill 2 holes to attach the bracket to the carburetor, plus one for
   the cable ball/stud.  It took 25 minutes with a hunk of aluminum, a
   drill, and a Dremel.  Really easy.
   Will.
   ?On 7/28/20, 3:40 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso"
   <[473]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   [474]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
         Thinking back 40 years, Fred, the Edelbrock carb is a redesigned
   Carter
         4bbl which as I remember was an amalgam of Rochester and the very
   early
         Holley that was not at all the same design as what we (mostly)
   love
         today. I have no experience with Carter/Edelbrocks beyond using
   one (of
         a pair) from a Chrysler 300 on my flathead Ford in high school. I
   know
         a few people use them on Panteras but in what state of tune, I
   don't
         know. Suggest buying a tuner book before you make the investment
   in the
         carb. Or call Edelbrock's tech line. They may try to convince you
   to go
         throttle body EFI.... Good luck.
         J DeRyke
         -----Original Message-----
         From: Fred Foreman <[475]fred4man at att.net>
         To: Detomas List <[476]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
         Sent: Tue, Jul 28, 2020 11:58 am
         Subject: [DeTomaso] Installing Edelbrock Carb
         I'm thinking of installing an Edelbrock Performer carb on the
   Pantera.
         I'm tired of Holly.  The currently installed Holly has the
   throttle
         cable attaching about 1-3/8" down below the throttle shaft.  From
   the
         Edelbrock  photos it appears their carb does not have much of a
         throttle linkage plate below the throttle shaft centerline on
   which to
         attach the forward running throttle cable.
         I'm sure I'm not the first to do this installation.  Any one have
   a
         comment or recommendation on throttle cable hook-up?
         Thanks,
         Fred Foreman
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   Message: 23
   Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 16:24:31 -0400
   From: Will Kooiman <[483]will.kooiman at gmail.com>
   To: Richard Greenblum <[484]richard at richardgreenblum.com>, DeTomaso
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       List <[485]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
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   Best response is what Larry said in the other post.
   Use the location below the thermostat for the EFI.
   Btw, I used the heater hose location in my water pump, and it is wildly
   inaccurate.  It seems impacted by cool water from the radiator.  If I
   drive through rain, the temperature drops to 120 degrees.  This is with
   a mechanical Autometer gauge.  Once I get out of the rain, and
   everything stabilizes, it parks at 160 degrees.  I have different
   coolant routing, but I would think stock routing would behave the same
   way.
   ?On 7/28/20, 2:59 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Richard Greenblum"
   <[487]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   [488]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
       I screw that up and I?m in BIG trouble?rather destroy a head!
       > On Jul 28, 2020, at 13:43, David <[489]david at msmcontractors.org>
   wrote:
       >
       > Side of Block on Passenger side maybe?
       > David Finley
       > 3659
       >
       >> On Jul 28, 2020, at 12:01 PM, Julian Kift
   <[490]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
       >>
       >>  What do you want to record or use as temperature for EFI
   control? The
       >>  water pump is a suction pump so at that point the temperature
   is prior
       >>  to any heat soak of the engine, not a true operating
   temperature.
       >>  Ideally for EFI I think you want the exit of the thermostat,
   which
       >>  poses a constraint prior to the thermostat opening.
       >>
       >>  CHI offer the drilled for Clevor crossover option (i.e. when
   using a
       >>  dry Cleveland intake manifold) , attached their 3V drawing for
   port
       >>  location, but you should also be able to drill through the
   manifold to
       >>  tap into the head water passage. That is quite a common
   crossover to do
       >>  to reduce air pockets at the rea of the heads.
       >>
       >>  Julian
       >>
   __________________________________________________________________
       >>
       >>  From: DeTomaso <[491]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com>
   on behalf of
       >>  Richard Greenblum <[492]richard at richardgreenblum.com>
       >>  Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 9:25 AM
       >>  To: Mike Drew <[493]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
       >>  Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[494]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
       >>  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor
   Question
       >>
       >>  Mike,
       >>  That was my original plan, but Dennis Quella told me that
   location is
       >>  bad due to turbulence causing inaccurate readings.  If I have
   to, I can
       >>  connect the garage there and hope I don't have an issue with
   water
       >>  temp, but that would be pretty risky.  He suggested drilling a
   head.
       >>  CHI's are billet, so it's not obvious where the water jacket
   is.  I'd
       >>  have to ask them for a template or at least some guidance on
   where to
       >>  drill if that's where I end up...
       >>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:14, Mike Drew <[495]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   wrote:
       >>>
       >>> All,
       >>>
       >>> Aftermarket water pumps usually have two fittings with pipe
   plugs.
       >>  One is the inlet for a heater hose but I don't know what the
   other
       >>  would be used for? Could that be an option?
       >>>
       >>> Mike
       >>>
       >>> Sent from my iPad
       >>>
       >>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 08:52, Richard Greenblum
       >>  <[496]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
       >>>>
       >>>> All,
       >>>>
       >>>> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI
   system?  With
       >>  no water in the intake, 351C's are short one location.  I'm
   very
       >>  reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI
   4V).  I
       >>  understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the
   gauge will
       >>  not yield accurate water temps.
       >>>>
       >>>> Thanks,
       >>>>
       >>>> Richard
       >>>> Austin, TX
       >>>>
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   Message: 24
   Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 13:43:22 -0700
   From: Rich Hoppe <[507]richbhoppe at gmail.com>
   To: Richard Greenblum <[508]richard at richardgreenblum.com>
   Cc: Mike Drew <[509]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, DeTomaso Mail List
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   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
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   I installed it on the top of the block next to the thermostat housing
   bolts down
   Rich
   Sent from my iPhone
   > On Jul 28, 2020, at 10:48 AM, Richard Greenblum
   <[512]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
   >
   > ?I?m headed that direction, as Thomas (and Bill Bitner privately)
   suggested.  It may be that the Sniper doesn?t need that much input
   after the engine warms up, or simply facing reality, the thermostat
   isn?t going to be closed where I drive the car...
   >
   >
   >> On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:57, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
   <[513]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   >>
   >> Hmm. Drill extremely expensive and non-obvious cylinder head, or
   drill into a cheap and easily replaced water pipe and have a bung
   fitted, as the factory did originally?
   >>
   >> I know what would do.....
   >>
   >> Mike
   >>
   >> Sent from my iPad
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   >>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 09:24, Richard Greenblum
   <[514]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
   >>>
   >>> ?Mike,
   >>>
   >>> That was my original plan, but Dennis Quella told me that location
   is bad due to turbulence causing inaccurate readings.  If I have to, I
   can connect the garage there and hope I don?t have an issue with water
   temp, but that would be pretty risky.  He suggested drilling a head.
   CHI?s are billet, so it?s not obvious where the water jacket is.  I?d
   have to ask them for a template or at least some guidance on where to
   drill if that?s where I end up...
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 11:14, Mike Drew <[515]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   wrote:
   >>>>
   >>>> All,
   >>>>
   >>>> Aftermarket water pumps usually have two fittings with pipe plugs.
   One is the inlet for a heater hose but I don?t know what the other
   would be used for? Could that be an option?
   >>>>
   >>>> Mike
   >>>>
   >>>> Sent from my iPad
   >>>>
   >>>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 08:52, Richard Greenblum
   <[516]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
   >>>>>
   >>>>> ?All,
   >>>>>
   >>>>> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?
   With no water in the intake, 351C?s are short one location.  I?m very
   reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).  I
   understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge will
   not yield accurate water temps.
   >>>>>
   >>>>> Thanks,
   >>>>>
   >>>>> Richard
   >>>>> Austin, TX
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   Message: 25
   Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 17:39:59 -0400
   From: "Mirril McMullen" <[525]mirrilm at earthlink.net>
   To: "'Detomaso'" <[526]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Ballast Resistor
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   Team,
   Is there an ignition ballast resistor hidden somewhere under the dash
   or
   elsewhere?
   The MSD 8350 distributor says it needs full 12 volts of voltage to
   operate
   properly.
   Let me know your thoughts.
   TIA
   74L WAYBAC
   Mirril McMullen
   Skype:  mirril.mcmullen
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   [528]mirrilm at earthlink.net
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     Team,
     Is there an ignition ballast resistor hidden somewhere under the dash
     or elsewhere?
     The MSD 8350 distributor says it needs full 12 volts of voltage to
     operate properly.
     Let me know your thoughts.
     TIA
     74L WAYBAC
     Mirril McMullen
     Skype:  mirril.mcmullen
     email:      [1][529]mirrilm at earthlink.net
   References
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   Message: 26
   Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 14:42:09 -0700
   From: Larry Stock <[531]larrys at panteraparts.com>
   To: Mirril McMullen <[532]mirrilm at earthlink.net>, 'Detomaso'
       <[533]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ballast Resistor
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   It's between your coil and your starter relay on the firewall behind
   the passenger seat
   Larry
   ?On 7/28/20, 2:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mirril McMullen"
   <[535]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   [536]mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:
         Team,
         Is there an ignition ballast resistor hidden somewhere under the
   dash
         or elsewhere?
         The MSD 8350 distributor says it needs full 12 volts of voltage
   to
         operate properly.
         Let me know your thoughts.
         TIA
         74L WAYBAC
         Mirril McMullen
         Skype:  mirril.mcmullen
         email:      [1][537]mirrilm at earthlink.net
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   Message: 27
   Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 16:47:19 -0500
   From: David <[541]david at msmcontractors.org>
   To: Larry Stock <[542]larrys at panteraparts.com>
   Cc: Mirril McMullen <[543]mirrilm at earthlink.net>, Detomaso
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   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ballast Resistor
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   > On Jul 28, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Larry Stock
   <[546]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
   >
   > It's between your coil and your starter relay on the firewall behind
   the passenger seat
   > Larry
   >
   > ?On 7/28/20, 2:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mirril McMullen"
   <[547]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   [548]mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:
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   >      Team,
   >
   >
   >      Is there an ignition ballast resistor hidden somewhere under the
   dash
   >      or elsewhere?
   >
   >
   >      The MSD 8350 distributor says it needs full 12 volts of voltage
   to
   >      operate properly.
   >
   >
   >      Let me know your thoughts.
   >
   >
   >      TIA
   >
   >
   >      74L WAYBAC
   >
   >
   >      Mirril McMullen
   >      Skype:  mirril.mcmullen
   >      email:      [1][549]mirrilm at earthlink.net
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       [cid:[555]45509328-4F9F-40B2-A07B-48EF9D9742AC at NECA.local]
     On Jul 28, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Larry Stock
   <[1][556]larrys at panteraparts.com>
     wrote:
     It's between your coil and your starter relay on the firewall behind
     the passenger seat
     Larry
     On 7/28/20, 2:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mirril McMullen"
     <[2][557]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
     [3][558]mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:
           Team,
           Is there an ignition ballast resistor hidden somewhere under
   the
     dash
           or elsewhere?
           The MSD 8350 distributor says it needs full 12 volts of voltage
     to
           operate properly.
           Let me know your thoughts.
           TIA
           74L WAYBAC
           Mirril McMullen
           Skype:  mirril.mcmullen
           email:      [1][4][559]mirrilm at earthlink.net
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   Message: 28
   Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 15:27:14 -0700
   From: "Mike & Elizabeth" <[574]mbefthomas2 at gmail.com>
   To: "'Detomaso List'" <[575]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Life is Better on Piazza DeTomaso
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   I had the sign in the pic made to hang on our new back patio.  It will
   on
   the front of the pergola.  Thought I'd share it with y'all.
   Cheers and stay safe and well!
   Mike Thomas
   Panteras Northwest
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     I had the sign in the pic made to hang on our new back patio.  It
   will
     on the front of the pergola.  Thought I'd share it with y'all.
     Cheers and stay safe and well!
     Mike Thomas
     Panteras Northwest
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   Message: 29
   Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 22:33:42 +0000
   From: Julian Kift <[577]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   To: Email List Address For Posting
   <[578]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>,
       Larry Finch <[579]fresnofinches at aol.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
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   Larry,
   Far be it for me to delve into your World of electrons, but I would
   expect any competent aftermarket ECU to have the capability to get a
   signal for an analog gauge to show water temperature on the gauge from
   a single sensor for both.
   Julian
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   From: DeTomaso <[581]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf of Larry Finch via DeTomaso
   <[582]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
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   Subject: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
   Richard,
   You need to have a water temperature sensor for the EFI and a
   temperature sensor for the gauge. The two sensors cannot be placed in
   the same location, so the problem is locating two ....serviceable....
   sensor locations.
   The accuracy of a stock water temperature gauge has always been in
   question due to the mismatch between the sender and the Veglia gauge.
   Aftermarket gauges tend to avoid that mismatch. In reality the accuracy
   of any temperature gauge reading is totally dependent on the location
   of the sensor - whether it is OEM or aftermarket. But does it really
   matter what temperature the gauge is displaying ?  No, it doesn?t.
   Because with enough road miles an owner will come to understand what
   his cars?s normal gauge reading should be and will use that as a
   baseline, a baseline that is totally dependent on where that sensor is
   located. The ....accuracy.... of a normal gauge reading or an increased
   reading, due to the inherent inaccuracy of any gauge/sensor, is
   irrelevant.  The owner of that car knows he has a cooling issue when
   that baseline sees a notable increase in temperature; it is only that
   troublesome ....increase... that is cause for concern. The
   ...numbers... on the gauge are irrelevant.
   An EFI system, on the other hand, is by design dependent on an accurate
   and reliable temperature sensor.
   The Ford OEM location for the water temperature sensor is on the front
   of the block, below the thermostat. One can assume they chose that
   location for a reason of accuracy.
   I would place the EFI sensor in the OEM sensor location.
   As Mike mentioned earlier, most water pumps have an available threaded
   boss that can be utilized for the temperature gauge sensor. That sensor
   location will serve quite readily to provide the baseline reading for
   the temperature gauge. The accuracy of the baseline gauge display
   provided by that sensor at that location, as I noted above, is not
   a cause for concern.
   Assuming your water pump has an available threaded boss, there is no
   need to install a new bung in the coolant piping system; just place the
   gauge sensor in the water pump boss.
   My 2?
   Larry
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     Larry,
     Far be it for me to delve into your World of electrons, but I would
     expect any competent aftermarket ECU to have the capability to get a
     signal for an analog gauge to show water temperature on the gauge
   from
     a single sensor for both.
     Julian
       __________________________________________________________________
     From: DeTomaso <[586]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf of
     Larry Finch via DeTomaso <[587]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 12:59 PM
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   <[588]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     Subject: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
     Richard,
     You need to have a water temperature sensor for the EFI and a
     temperature sensor for the gauge. The two sensors cannot be placed in
     the same location, so the problem is locating two ....serviceable....
     sensor locations.
     The accuracy of a stock water temperature gauge has always been in
     question due to the mismatch between the sender and the Veglia gauge.
     Aftermarket gauges tend to avoid that mismatch. In reality the
   accuracy
     of any temperature gauge reading is totally dependent on the location
     of the sensor - whether it is OEM or aftermarket. But does it really
     matter what temperature the gauge is displaying ?  No, it doesn't.
     Because with enough road miles an owner will come to understand what
     his cars's normal gauge reading should be and will use that as a
     baseline, a baseline that is totally dependent on where that sensor
   is
     located. The ....accuracy.... of a normal gauge reading or an
   increased
     reading, due to the inherent inaccuracy of any gauge/sensor, is
     irrelevant.  The owner of that car knows he has a cooling issue when
     that baseline sees a notable increase in temperature; it is only that
     troublesome ....increase... that is cause for concern. The
     ...numbers... on the gauge are irrelevant.
     An EFI system, on the other hand, is by design dependent on an
   accurate
     and reliable temperature sensor.
     The Ford OEM location for the water temperature sensor is on the
   front
     of the block, below the thermostat. One can assume they chose that
     location for a reason of accuracy.
     I would place the EFI sensor in the OEM sensor location.
     As Mike mentioned earlier, most water pumps have an available
   threaded
     boss that can be utilized for the temperature gauge sensor. That
   sensor
     location will serve quite readily to provide the baseline reading for
     the temperature gauge. The accuracy of the baseline gauge display
     provided by that sensor at that location, as I noted above, is not
     a cause for concern.
     Assuming your water pump has an available threaded boss, there is no
     need to install a new bung in the coolant piping system; just place
   the
     gauge sensor in the water pump boss.
     My 2-c-
     Larry
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   Message: 30
   Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 18:53:10 -0400
   From: "Mirril McMullen" <[592]mirrilm at earthlink.net>
   To: "'David'" <[593]david at msmcontractors.org>, "'Larry Stock'"
       <[594]larrys at panteraparts.com>
   Cc: 'Detomaso' <[595]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ballast Resistor
   Message-ID: <0b3701d66531$dea75740$9bf605c0$@earthlink.net>
   Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="UTF-8"
   Really,
   I've been all over that firewall multiple times in the last 20
   years.... Engine in and out a couple of times and I blasted and painted
   all the brackets also....
   I'm going to change the plugs and wires to get ready for Fall vintage
   at The Glen (if it doesn?t get cancelled) ;-|
   I'll look again and see if I have missed it.
   Thanks!
   74L WAYBAC
   /\/\
   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso [mailto:[596]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
   On Behalf Of David
   Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 5:47 PM
   To: Larry Stock
   Cc: Mirril McMullen; Detomaso
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ballast Resistor
   > On Jul 28, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Larry Stock
   <[597]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
   >
   > It's between your coil and your starter relay on the firewall behind
   > the passenger seat Larry
   >
   > ?On 7/28/20, 2:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mirril McMullen"
   <[598]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   [599]mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:
   >
   >      Team,
   >
   >
   >      Is there an ignition ballast resistor hidden somewhere under the
   dash
   >      or elsewhere?
   >
   >
   >      The MSD 8350 distributor says it needs full 12 volts of voltage
   to
   >      operate properly.
   >
   >
   >      Let me know your thoughts.
   >
   >
   >      TIA
   >
   >
   >      74L WAYBAC
   >
   >
   >      Mirril McMullen
   >      Skype:  mirril.mcmullen
   >      email:      [1][600]mirrilm at earthlink.net
   >
   >    References
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   Message: 31
   Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 22:58:46 +0000 (UTC)
   From: Forest Goodhart <[606]forestg at att.net>
   To: 'David' <[607]david at msmcontractors.org>,  'Larry Stock'
       <[608]larrys at panteraparts.com>,  Mirril McMullen
   <[609]mirrilm at earthlink.net>
   Cc: 'Detomaso' <[610]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ballast Resistor
   Message-ID: <[611]719799906.8635544.1595977126594 at mail.yahoo.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
   You have a 74 model so instead of a ballast resistor it has a resister
   wire in the circuit between the ignition switch and the coil. You could
   install a relay powered by the existing coil feed to feed full power
   from the battery side of the starter solenoid.
       On Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 03:53:31 PM PDT, Mirril McMullen
   <[612]mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:
   Really,
   I've been all over that firewall multiple times in the last 20
   years.... Engine in and out a couple of times and I blasted and painted
   all the brackets also....
   I'm going to change the plugs and wires to get ready for Fall vintage
   at The Glen (if it doesn?t get cancelled) ;-|
   I'll look again and see if I have missed it.
   Thanks!
   74L WAYBAC
   /\/\
   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso [mailto:[613]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
   On Behalf Of David
   Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 5:47 PM
   To: Larry Stock
   Cc: Mirril McMullen; Detomaso
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ballast Resistor
   > On Jul 28, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Larry Stock
   <[614]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
   >
   > It's between your coil and your starter relay on the firewall behind
   > the passenger seat Larry
   >
   > ?On 7/28/20, 2:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mirril McMullen"
   <[615]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   [616]mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:
   >
   >? ? ? Team,
   >
   >
   >? ? ? Is there an ignition ballast resistor hidden somewhere under the
   dash
   >? ? ? or elsewhere?
   >
   >
   >? ? ? The MSD 8350 distributor says it needs full 12 volts of voltage
   to
   >? ? ? operate properly.
   >
   >
   >? ? ? Let me know your thoughts.
   >
   >
   >? ? ? TIA
   >
   >
   >? ? ? 74L WAYBAC
   >
   >
   >? ? ? Mirril McMullen
   >? ? ? Skype:? mirril.mcmullen
   >? ? ? email:? ? ? [1][617]mirrilm at earthlink.net
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     You have a 74 model so instead of a ballast resistor it has a
   resister
     wire in the circuit between the ignition switch and the coil. You
   could
     install a relay powered by the existing coil feed to feed full power
     from the battery side of the starter solenoid.
     On Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 03:53:31 PM PDT, Mirril McMullen
     <[625]mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:
     Really,
     I've been all over that firewall multiple times in the last 20
     years.... Engine in and out a couple of times and I blasted and
   painted
     all the brackets also....
     I'm going to change the plugs and wires to get ready for Fall vintage
     at The Glen (if it doesnat get cancelled) ;-|
     I'll look again and see if I have missed it.
     Thanks!
     74L WAYBAC
     /\/\
     -----Original Message-----
     From: DeTomaso
   [mailto:[1][626]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
     Behalf Of David
     Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 5:47 PM
     To: Larry Stock
     Cc: Mirril McMullen; Detomaso
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ballast Resistor
     > On Jul 28, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Larry Stock
   <[2][627]larrys at panteraparts.com>
     wrote:
     >
     > It's between your coil and your starter relay on the firewall
   behind
     > the passenger seat Larry
     >
     > i>>?On 7/28/20, 2:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mirril McMullen"
     <[3][628]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
     [4][629]mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:
     >
     >      Team,
     >
     >
     >      Is there an ignition ballast resistor hidden somewhere under
   the
     dash
     >      or elsewhere?
     >
     >
     >      The MSD 8350 distributor says it needs full 12 volts of
   voltage
     to
     >      operate properly.
     >
     >
     >      Let me know your thoughts.
     >
     >
     >      TIA
     >
     >
     >      74L WAYBAC
     >
     >
     >      Mirril McMullen
     >      Skype:  mirril.mcmullen
     >      email:      [1][5][630]mirrilm at earthlink.net
     >
     >    References
     >
     >      1. mailto:[6][631]mirrilm at earthlink.net
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   Message: 32
   Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 19:01:22 -0400
   From: "Mirril McMullen" <[650]mirrilm at earthlink.net>
   To: "'Forest Goodhart'" <[651]forestg at att.net>, "'David'"
       <[652]david at msmcontractors.org>, "'Larry Stock'"
   <[653]larrys at panteraparts.com>
   Cc: 'Detomaso' <[654]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ballast Resistor
   Message-ID: <0d1601d66533$0382a780$0a87f680$@earthlink.net>
   Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="UTF-8"
   Forest,
   That makes a lot of sense.
   Thanks!
   74L Waybac
   /\/\
   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso [mailto:[655]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
   On Behalf Of Forest Goodhart
   Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 6:59 PM
   To: 'David'; 'Larry Stock'; Mirril McMullen
   Cc: 'Detomaso'
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ballast Resistor
   You have a 74 model so instead of a ballast resistor it has a resister
   wire in the circuit between the ignition switch and the coil. You could
   install a relay powered by the existing coil feed to feed full power
   from the battery side of the starter solenoid.
       On Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 03:53:31 PM PDT, Mirril McMullen
   <[656]mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:
   Really,
   I've been all over that firewall multiple times in the last 20
   years.... Engine in and out a couple of times and I blasted and painted
   all the brackets also....
   I'm going to change the plugs and wires to get ready for Fall vintage
   at The Glen (if it doesn?t get cancelled) ;-|
   I'll look again and see if I have missed it.
   Thanks!
   74L WAYBAC
   /\/\
   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso [mailto:[657]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
   On Behalf Of David
   Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 5:47 PM
   To: Larry Stock
   Cc: Mirril McMullen; Detomaso
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ballast Resistor
   > On Jul 28, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Larry Stock
   <[658]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
   >
   > It's between your coil and your starter relay on the firewall behind
   > the passenger seat Larry
   >
   > ?On 7/28/20, 2:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mirril McMullen"
   <[659]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   [660]mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:
   >
   >      Team,
   >
   >
   >      Is there an ignition ballast resistor hidden somewhere under the
   >dash
   >      or elsewhere?
   >
   >
   >      The MSD 8350 distributor says it needs full 12 volts of voltage
   >to
   >      operate properly.
   >
   >
   >      Let me know your thoughts.
   >
   >
   >      TIA
   >
   >
   >      74L WAYBAC
   >
   >
   >      Mirril McMullen
   >      Skype:  mirril.mcmullen
   >      email:      [1][661]mirrilm at earthlink.net
   >
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   Message: 33
   Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 16:22:25 -0700
   From: Mike Drew <[669]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
   To: Larry Stock <[670]larrys at panteraparts.com>
   Cc: Mirril McMullen <[671]mirrilm at earthlink.net>, Detomaso
       <[672]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ballast Resistor
   Message-ID: <[673]0FF0F3DC-92F6-44E4-B583-0FB170D5C351 at aol.com>
   Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
   Yes, it?s a white tall cube a bit larger than a cigarette lighter, with
   four wires attached to it.
   Many people have installed aftermarket ignition systems and removed it
   already.
   Mike
   Sent from my iPad
   > On Jul 28, 2020, at 14:42, Larry Stock <[674]larrys at panteraparts.com>
   wrote:
   >
   > ?It's between your coil and your starter relay on the firewall behind
   the passenger seat
   > Larry
   >
   > ?On 7/28/20, 2:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mirril McMullen"
   <[675]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   [676]mirrilm at earthlink.net> wrote:
   >
   >      Team,
   >
   >
   >      Is there an ignition ballast resistor hidden somewhere under the
   dash
   >      or elsewhere?
   >
   >
   >      The MSD 8350 distributor says it needs full 12 volts of voltage
   to
   >      operate properly.
   >
   >
   >      Let me know your thoughts.
   >
   >
   >      TIA
   >
   >
   >      74L WAYBAC
   >
   >
   >      Mirril McMullen
   >      Skype:  mirril.mcmullen
   >      email:      [1][677]mirrilm at earthlink.net
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   Message: 34
   Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 18:12:21 -0700
   From: Dave Londry <[683]davel at trguys.com>
   To: [684]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Installing Edelbrock Carb
   Message-ID: <[685]4593c03c-fe52-ebb0-fbbe-cb9c14595c62 at trguys.com>
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   Here's a sample Fred. It's an Edelbrock Thunder #1813, 800 cfm.
   I inherited this setup, so I don't have all the part numbers.
   It's generic though, a 650 Performer swaps in perfectly.
   The 2nd pic is just the spring anchor - taken blind, so bad focus.
   Dave
   On 2020-07-28 11:58 a.m., Fred Foreman wrote:
   > I'm thinking of installing an Edelbrock Performer carb on the
   Pantera.? I'm tired of Holly.  The currently installed Holly has the
   throttle cable attaching about 1-3/8" down below the throttle shaft.?
   From the Edelbrock  photos it appears their carb does not have much of
   a throttle linkage plate below the throttle shaft centerline on which
   to attach the forward running throttle cable.
   > I'm sure I'm not the first to do this installation.? Any one have a
   comment or recommendation on throttle cable hook-up?
   > Thanks,
   > Fred Foreman
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     Here's a sample Fred. It's an Edelbrock Thunder #1813, 800 cfm.
     I inherited this setup, so I don't have all the part numbers.
     It's generic though, a 650 Performer swaps in perfectly.
     The 2nd pic is just the spring anchor - taken blind, so bad focus.
     Dave
     On 2020-07-28 11:58 a.m., Fred Foreman wrote:
   I'm thinking of installing an Edelbrock Performer carb on the Pantera.
   I'm tire
   d of Holly.  The currently installed Holly has the throttle cable
   attaching abou
   t 1-3/8" down below the throttle shaft.  From the Edelbrock  photos it
   appears t
   heir carb does not have much of a throttle linkage plate below the
   throttle shaf
   t centerline on which to attach the forward running throttle cable.
   I'm sure I'm not the first to do this installation.  Any one have a
   comment or r
   ecommendation on throttle cable hook-up?
   Thanks,
   Fred Foreman
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   Message: 35
   Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 18:15:05 -0700
   From: Dave Londry <[697]davel at trguys.com>
   To: [698]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Installing Edelbrock Carb
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   Oh that's an Air-Gap manifold, so the carb is significantly higher than
   a Performer manifold.
   Dave
   On 2020-07-28 6:12 p.m., Dave Londry wrote:
   >    Here's a sample Fred. It's an Edelbrock Thunder #1813, 800 cfm.
   >    I inherited this setup, so I don't have all the part numbers.
   >    It's generic though, a 650 Performer swaps in perfectly.
   >
   >    The 2nd pic is just the spring anchor - taken blind, so bad focus.
   >    Dave
   >
   >    On 2020-07-28 11:58 a.m., Fred Foreman wrote:
   >
   > I'm thinking of installing an Edelbrock Performer carb on the
   Pantera.  I'm tire
   > d of Holly.  The currently installed Holly has the throttle cable
   attaching abou
   > t 1-3/8" down below the throttle shaft.  From the Edelbrock  photos
   it appears t
   > heir carb does not have much of a throttle linkage plate below the
   throttle shaf
   > t centerline on which to attach the forward running throttle cable.
   > I'm sure I'm not the first to do this installation.  Any one have a
   comment or r
   > ecommendation on throttle cable hook-up?
   > Thanks,
   > Fred Foreman
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     Oh that's an Air-Gap manifold, so the carb is significantly higher
   than
     a Performer manifold.
     Dave
     On 2020-07-28 6:12 p.m., Dave Londry wrote:
     Here's a sample Fred. It's an Edelbrock Thunder #1813, 800 cfm.
     I inherited this setup, so I don't have all the part numbers.
     It's generic though, a 650 Performer swaps in perfectly.
     The 2nd pic is just the spring anchor - taken blind, so bad focus.
     Dave
     On 2020-07-28 11:58 a.m., Fred Foreman wrote:
   I'm thinking of installing an Edelbrock Performer carb on the Pantera.
   I'm tire
   d of Holly.  The currently installed Holly has the throttle cable
   attaching abou
   t 1-3/8" down below the throttle shaft.  From the Edelbrock  photos it
   appears t
   heir carb does not have much of a throttle linkage plate below the
   throttle shaf
   t centerline on which to attach the forward running throttle cable.
   I'm sure I'm not the first to do this installation.  Any one have a
   comment or r
   ecommendation on throttle cable hook-up?
   Thanks,
   Fred Foreman
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   Message: 36
   Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 21:27:26 -0500
   From: Daniel C Jones <[727]daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com>
   Cc: "[728]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
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   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Installing Edelbrock Carb
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   > The Edelbrock carb is a redesigned Carter 4bbl which as I remember
   was an
   amalgam of Rochester and the very early Holley
   The Edelbrock AFB and AVS carbs are indeed Carter designs but the AFB
   is a
   descendent of Carter's earlier WCFB.  Carter introduced the first US
   production 4 barrel carb in 1952 on the Buick straight 8.  It was known
   as
   the WCFB for Wil Carter Four Barrel.  Made of iron and zinc with an
   aluminum top cover, it weighed in at a hefty 18 pounds.  The Carter AFB
   (Aluminum Four Barrel) was introduced in 1957 and shared the WCFB's 2
   piece
   design, stepped rod in jet arrangement for primary metering and
   enrichment
   and air valve secondaries but is much lighter due to its aluminum
   construction.  The Edelbrock AFB is based upon the second generation
   Carter
   AFB.  Rochester's first 4 barrel, the 4-Jet (4G or 4GC) was also
   introduced
   in 1952.  It does have a passing similarity to the AFB but is a fixed
   jet
   design with spring loaded secondary air door (similar to the AVS, the
   AFB
   used a counter-weight).  Holley followed a year later with the 2140
   "Teapot" 4 barrel which looks nothing like an AFB or later Holley 4150
   modular design.
   Dan Jones
   On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 2:40 PM Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso <
   [731]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
   >    Thinking back 40 years, Fred, the Edelbrock carb is a redesigned
   Carter
   >    4bbl which as I remember was an amalgam of Rochester and the very
   early
   >    Holley that was not at all the same design as what we (mostly)
   love
   >    today. I have no experience with Carter/Edelbrocks beyond using
   one (of
   >    a pair) from a Chrysler 300 on my flathead Ford in high school. I
   know
   >    a few people use them on Panteras but in what state of tune, I
   don't
   >    know. Suggest buying a tuner book before you make the investment
   in the
   >    carb. Or call Edelbrock's tech line. They may try to convince you
   to go
   >    throttle body EFI.... Good luck.
   >    J DeRyke
   >    -----Original Message-----
   >    From: Fred Foreman <[732]fred4man at att.net>
   >    To: Detomas List <[733]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   >    Sent: Tue, Jul 28, 2020 11:58 am
   >    Subject: [DeTomaso] Installing Edelbrock Carb
   >    I'm thinking of installing an Edelbrock Performer carb on the
   Pantera.
   >    I'm tired of Holly.  The currently installed Holly has the
   throttle
   >    cable attaching about 1-3/8" down below the throttle shaft.  From
   the
   >    Edelbrock  photos it appears their carb does not have much of a
   >    throttle linkage plate below the throttle shaft centerline on
   which to
   >    attach the forward running throttle cable.
   >    I'm sure I'm not the first to do this installation.  Any one have
   a
   >    comment or recommendation on throttle cable hook-up?
   >    Thanks,
   >    Fred Foreman
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     > The Edelbrock carb is a redesigned Carter 4bbl which as I remember
     was an amalgam of Rochester and the very early Holley
     The Edelbrock AFB and AVS carbs are indeed Carter designs but the AFB
     is a descendent of Carter's earlier WCFB.A  Carter introduced the
   first
     US production 4 barrel carb in 1952 on the Buick straight 8.A  It was
     known as the WCFB for Wil Carter Four Barrel.A  Made of iron and zinc
     with an aluminum top cover, it weighed in at a hefty 18 pounds.A  The
     Carter AFB (Aluminum Four Barrel) was introduced in 1957 and shared
   the
     WCFB's 2 piece design, stepped rod in jet arrangement for primary
     metering and enrichment and air valve secondaries but is much lighter
     due to its aluminum construction.A  The Edelbrock AFB is based upon
   the
     second generation Carter AFB.A  Rochester's first 4 barrel, the 4-Jet
     (4G or 4GC) was also introduced in 1952.A  It does have a passing
     similarity to the AFB but is a fixed jet design with spring loaded
     secondary air door (similar to the AVS, the AFB used a
     counter-weight).A  Holley followed a year later with the 2140
   "Teapot"
     4 barrel which looks nothing like an AFB or later Holley 4150 modular
     design.
     Dan Jones
     On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 2:40 PM Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso
     <[1][740]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
       A  A Thinking back 40 years, Fred, the Edelbrock carb is a
       redesigned Carter
       A  A 4bbl which as I remember was an amalgam of Rochester and the
       very early
       A  A Holley that was not at all the same design as what we (mostly)
       love
       A  A today. I have no experience with Carter/Edelbrocks beyond
   using
       one (of
       A  A a pair) from a Chrysler 300 on my flathead Ford in high
   school.
       I know
       A  A a few people use them on Panteras but in what state of tune, I
       don't
       A  A know. Suggest buying a tuner book before you make the
       investment in the
       A  A carb. Or call Edelbrock's tech line. They may try to convince
       you to go
       A  A throttle body EFI.... Good luck.
       A  A J DeRyke
       A  A -----Original Message-----
       A  A From: Fred Foreman <[2][741]fred4man at att.net>
       A  A To: Detomas List <[3][742]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
       A  A Sent: Tue, Jul 28, 2020 11:58 am
       A  A Subject: [DeTomaso] Installing Edelbrock Carb
       A  A I'm thinking of installing an Edelbrock Performer carb on the
       Pantera.
       A  A I'm tired of Holly.A  The currently installed Holly has the
       throttle
       A  A cable attaching about 1-3/8" down below the throttle shaft.A
       From the
       A  A EdelbrockA  photos it appears their carb does not have much of
       a
       A  A throttle linkage plate below the throttle shaft centerline on
       which to
       A  A attach the forward running throttle cable.
       A  A I'm sure I'm not the first to do this installation.A  Any one
       have a
       A  A comment or recommendation on throttle cable hook-up?
       A  A Thanks,
       A  A Fred Foreman
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   Message: 37
   Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 05:12:06 +0000 (UTC)
   From: Ken Green <[758]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
   To: Thomas T?rnblom <[759]tipo874 at gmail.com>
   Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[760]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>, Richard
       Greenblum <[761]richard at richardgreenblum.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
   Message-ID: <[762]808390862.6145920.1595999526654 at mail.yahoo.com>
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   I posted the question to the Facebook XFI forum and all the responses
   were that both the +12V and ground had to be directly connected to the
   battery, and not doing that is a common source of problems.
   Ken
       On Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 9:09:01 AM PDT, Thomas T?rnblom
   <[763]tipo874 at gmail.com> wrote:
   I assume you are not planning to only crank the engine :)
   I would wire it up for best performance when running.
   I?m using a Ford EFI and it has a table that adjust the pulse width
   depending on supply voltage, which compensates for voltage drop during
   cranking and heavy current draw when idling.
   Thomas
   > 28 juli 2020 kl. 18:01 skrev Thomas T?rnblom
   <[764]tipo874 at gmail.com>:
   >
   > ?I?m using the bung in the pipe from the thermostat to the swirl
   tank, where the vacuum thermo-switch was located.
   >
   > I have drilled a couple of small holes in the thermostat so there is
   some flow there even when the thermostat is closed.
   >
   > Thomas
   >
   >> 28 juli 2020 kl. 17:53 skrev Richard Greenblum
   <[765]richard at richardgreenblum.com>:
   >>
   >> ?All,
   >>
   >> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?? With
   no water in the intake, 351C?s are short one location.? I?m very
   reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).? I
   understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge will
   not yield accurate water temps.
   >>
   >> Thanks,
   >>
   >> Richard
   >> Austin, TX
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     I posted the question to the Facebook XFI forum and all the responses
     were that both the +12V and ground had to be directly connected to
   the
     battery, and not doing that is a common source of problems.
     Ken
     On Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 9:09:01 AM PDT, Thomas TAP:rnblom
     <[770]tipo874 at gmail.com> wrote:
     I assume you are not planning to only crank the engine :)
     I would wire it up for best performance when running.
     Iam using a Ford EFI and it has a table that adjust the pulse width
     depending on supply voltage, which compensates for voltage drop
   during
     cranking and heavy current draw when idling.
     Thomas
     > 28 juli 2020 kl. 18:01 skrev Thomas TAP:rnblom
     <[1][771]tipo874 at gmail.com>:
     >
     > i>>?Iam using the bung in the pipe from the thermostat to the swirl
     tank, where the vacuum thermo-switch was located.
     >
     > I have drilled a couple of small holes in the thermostat so there
   is
     some flow there even when the thermostat is closed.
     >
     > Thomas
     >
     >> 28 juli 2020 kl. 17:53 skrev Richard Greenblum
     <[2][772]richard at richardgreenblum.com>:
     >>
     >> i>>?All,
     >>
     >> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?
   With
     no water in the intake, 351Cas are short one location.  Iam very
     reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).  I
     understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge
   will
     not yield accurate water temps.
     >>
     >> Thanks,
     >>
     >> Richard
     >> Austin, TX
     >>
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   Message: 38
   Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 23:59:36 -0700 (PDT)
   From: DAVID D GOODWIN <[783]goodwinpantera at comcast.net>
   To: "[784]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
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   Subject: [DeTomaso] ballast resister
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   I once had a Chevy Camaro and was looking for the ballast resister. It
   was a wire that had the ballast resister built into the wire. It was
   not the common firewall mounted ballast resister. Are you using a MSD
   box with your new msd distributor?
   Dave
   #4548
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     I once had a Chevy Camaro and was looking for the ballast resister.
   It
     was a wire that had the ballast resister built into the wire. It was
     not the common firewall mounted ballast resister. Are you using a MSD
     box with your new msd distributor?
     Dave
     #4548
   ------------------------------
   Message: 39
   Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 09:05:17 +0200
   From: Thomas T?rnblom <[787]thomas at hax.se>
   To: Ken Green <[788]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
   Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[789]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>, Richard
       Greenblum <[790]richard at richardgreenblum.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
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   Well, the battery does indeed act as a huge filter capacitor so it
   makes sense to feed the EFI from there if it is sensitive to noise.
   As you have eliminated the ammeter that doesn?t matter either.
   Are you feeding the fuel pump from there too?
   The major current draw will be the fuel pump, injectors and hego
   heaters. The controller itself won?t be much I assume.
   Thomas
   > 29 juli 2020 kl. 07:12 skrev Ken Green via DeTomaso
   <[792]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>:
   >
   > ?  I posted the question to the Facebook XFI forum and all the
   responses
   >  were that both the +12V and ground had to be directly connected to
   the
   >  battery, and not doing that is a common source of problems.
   >  Ken
   >
   >  On Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 9:09:01 AM PDT, Thomas TAP:rnblom
   >  <[793]tipo874 at gmail.com> wrote:
   >  I assume you are not planning to only crank the engine :)
   >  I would wire it up for best performance when running.
   >  Iam using a Ford EFI and it has a table that adjust the pulse width
   >  depending on supply voltage, which compensates for voltage drop
   during
   >  cranking and heavy current draw when idling.
   >  Thomas
   >>> 28 juli 2020 kl. 18:01 skrev Thomas TAP:rnblom
   >>  <[1][794]tipo874 at gmail.com>:
   >>
   >> i>>?Iam using the bung in the pipe from the thermostat to the swirl
   >  tank, where the vacuum thermo-switch was located.
   >>
   >> I have drilled a couple of small holes in the thermostat so there is
   >  some flow there even when the thermostat is closed.
   >>
   >> Thomas
   >>
   >>> 28 juli 2020 kl. 17:53 skrev Richard Greenblum
   >  <[2][795]richard at richardgreenblum.com>:
   >>>
   >>> i>>?All,
   >>>
   >>> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?
   With
   >  no water in the intake, 351Cas are short one location.  Iam very
   >  reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).  I
   >  understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge
   will
   >  not yield accurate water temps.
   >>>
   >>> Thanks,
   >>>
   >>> Richard
   >>> Austin, TX
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   Message: 40
   Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 07:22:50 -0400
   From: "Joseph F Byrd, Jr" <[808]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
   Cc: "'DeTomaso Mail List'" <[809]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
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   Just wild thinking,
   If the control module is sensitive to voltage swings.
   The desired would be the manufacture should add a filter/storage
   circuit, but on a capitalistic view some one should be selling an add
   on device that advertises it keeps voltage stable.
   I would think the car audio guys have an extensive assortment of such
   bucking and boast/filter circuits that would fit the bill
   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso <[810]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On
   Behalf Of Thomas T?rnblom
   Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 3:05 AM
   To: Ken Green <[811]kenn_green at yahoo.com>
   Cc: DeTomaso Mail List <[812]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Richard
   Greenblum <[813]richard at richardgreenblum.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Speaking of EFI--Water Temp Sensor Question
   Well, the battery does indeed act as a huge filter capacitor so it
   makes sense to feed the EFI from there if it is sensitive to noise.
   As you have eliminated the ammeter that doesn?t matter either.
   Are you feeding the fuel pump from there too?
   The major current draw will be the fuel pump, injectors and hego
   heaters. The controller itself won?t be much I assume.
   Thomas
   > 29 juli 2020 kl. 07:12 skrev Ken Green via DeTomaso
   <[814]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>:
   >
   > ?  I posted the question to the Facebook XFI forum and all the
   responses
   >  were that both the +12V and ground had to be directly connected to
   the
   >  battery, and not doing that is a common source of problems.
   >  Ken
   >
   >  On Tuesday, July 28, 2020, 9:09:01 AM PDT, Thomas TAP:rnblom
   >  <[815]tipo874 at gmail.com> wrote:
   >  I assume you are not planning to only crank the engine :)
   >  I would wire it up for best performance when running.
   >  Iam using a Ford EFI and it has a table that adjust the pulse width
   >  depending on supply voltage, which compensates for voltage drop
   during
   >  cranking and heavy current draw when idling.
   >  Thomas
   >>> 28 juli 2020 kl. 18:01 skrev Thomas TAP:rnblom
   >>  <[1][816]tipo874 at gmail.com>:
   >>
   >> i>>?Iam using the bung in the pipe from the thermostat to the swirl
   >  tank, where the vacuum thermo-switch was located.
   >>
   >> I have drilled a couple of small holes in the thermostat so there is
   >  some flow there even when the thermostat is closed.
   >>
   >> Thomas
   >>
   >>> 28 juli 2020 kl. 17:53 skrev Richard Greenblum
   >  <[2][817]richard at richardgreenblum.com>:
   >>>
   >>> i>>?All,
   >>>
   >>> Where did you locate the water temp sensor for the EFI system?
   With
   >  no water in the intake, 351Cas are short one location.  Iam very
   >  reluctant to drill into the front of one of the heads (CHI 4V).  I
   >  understand teeing off the current water temp sensor for the gauge
   will
   >  not yield accurate water temps.
   >>>
   >>> Thanks,
   >>>
   >>> Richard
   >>> Austin, TX
   >>>
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   Message: 41
   Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 07:48:46 -0400
   From: "Mirril McMullen" <[832]mirrilm at earthlink.net>
   To: "'DAVID D GOODWIN'" <[833]goodwinpantera at comcast.net>,
       <[834]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ballast resister
   Message-ID: <0dbd01d6659e$37a16310$a6e42930$@earthlink.net>
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   No,
   It's the drop in 8350 model.
   Thanks!
   /\/\
   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso [mailto:[835]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
   On Behalf Of DAVID D GOODWIN
   Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 3:00 AM
   To: [836]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: [DeTomaso] ballast resister
   I once had a Chevy Camaro and was looking for the ballast resister. It
   was a wire that had the ballast resister built into the wire. It was
   not the common firewall mounted ballast resister. Are you using a MSD
   box with your new msd distributor?
   Dave
   #4548
   ------------------------------
   Message: 42
   Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 08:24:22 -0400
   From: Joe Jaffoni <[837]427390 at gmail.com>
   To: DeTomaso Forum <[838]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Installing Edelbrock Carb
   Message-ID:

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     I have an Edelbrock carb on a performer manifold.  I moved the steel
   bracket on the manifold to the front most manifold bold on the driver
   side
   and drilled a hole for a return spring (which you can't see in this
   photo).  It was an easy, clean and straightforward set up and I plan to
   add
   a second return spring.  This picture is of an Edelbrock 750 and I have
   since switched to a 650 AVS - The thing runs great out of the box
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     A  I have an Edelbrock carb on a performer manifold.A  I moved the
     steel bracket on the manifold to the front most manifold bold on the
     driver side and drilled a hole for a return spring (which you can't
   see
     in this photo).A  It was an easy, clean and straightforward set up
   and
     I plan to add a second return spring.A  This picture is of an
   Edelbrock
     750 and I have since switched to a 650 AVS - The thing runs great out
     of the boxA A
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