[DeTomaso] campys
Larry Stock
larrys at panteraparts.com
Fri Apr 17 14:32:26 EDT 2020
Thanks Mike
That’s a good piece and well illistrated
Larry
From: Pantera Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Date: Friday, April 17, 2020 at 11:22 AM
To: <mirrilm at earthlink.net>, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>, <marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, <julian_kift at hotmail.com>, <scottcouchman at yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] campys
All,
I don't know if the forum supports PDF attachments, but (hopefully) attached is the second, more definitive article I wrote on the wheel differences, from the 2000 No. 3 POCA Profiles. If it doesn't come through for you, and you are a POCA member, you should be able to access it via the POCA website in the online archives (or contact me directly and I can send it to you).
I was about to publish a complimentary article on the three different types of Campagnolo 10-inch wheels, but was still conducting research on the new Marvic and Roin replica wheels to run as a sidebar article. There has been a lot of grossly incorrect information published about 10-inch wheels (some of it very recently, I'm afraid), so I am now further motivated to set the record straight, as there is still a lot of confusion out there.
Mike
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From: Mirril McMullen <mirrilm at earthlink.net>
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Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] campys
JUST mis-matched wheels????
My $0.02
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Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 11:32 AM
To: marshallgsmith; Julian Kift; Mike Drew; Scott Couchman
Cc: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] campys
The Factory had a pretty logical and systematic tool and manufacturing approach to the making of these wheels, while true they probably mixed a few during the transition between the making of new Aluminum tooling and the earlier wood pattern tools, the Early wheels could not have been put on late Pantera's and vice versa that we see all the time today.
I think we can attribute all the miss matched wheels to Gary Hall, he sent me a mismatched wheel then a mismatched reconditioned set back in the 80's.
Larry Stock
On 4/17/20, 8:12 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of marshallgsmith" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Great point Julian! There are just too many mismatched sets on people's
cars to indicate otherwise. And we all know the quality control that
DeTomaso is known for.
Marshall
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From: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Date: 4/17/20 6:54 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Scott Couchman
<scottcouchman at yahoo.com>
Cc: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] campys
With such subtle differences what's the chance many of these car
actually left the factory with mismatched wheels? Realistically how
many owners would switch out wheels or have another set or different
spare to mix up?
If that is the case should one just accept this as another small
idiosyncrasy of the Pantera and live with it, the car is only original
once!
Julian
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Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 6:08 PM
To: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] campys
Mike is so right. My car had three wheels that matched and one didn't.
I was sure I knew what wheel to buy so they would all match. I bought a
fifth wheel and when I got it home realized it doesn't match any of my
existing wheels. Look very closely, the differences can be
subtle....and for me, confusing. Mike wrote a great reference article
that explains the differences, and Jack DeRyke had a great article in
this month's newsletter on the 10"campy. Thanks to both of you!
> On Apr 16, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> Bob,
>
> What kind of Campagnolo wheels? Remember there were four different
styles of two-slot wheels between 1971-74, plus one-slot wheels, and
ultra rare three-slot wheels only used on prototypes.
>
> I just worked on a Jan `72 car today that had three 1973 L-model
wheels and a 1972 late Pre-L wheel. Lots of people have mismatched
wheels and don't even realize it (this guy owned the car 29 years and
had never noticed).
>
> So. Details please, including good pics of all four wheels. If it's a
genuine set, rather than four mismatched wheels, that's obviously
better. Values have been going up in recent years as people are finally
realizing the benefits of stock wheels and returning cars to stock
appearance.
>
> Miie
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Apr 16, 2020, at 12:30, Robert Levitt via DeTomaso
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>
>> Would like to sell original set of CAMPYS .
>> Anyone interested ?
>> Contact
>> Bob
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Thanks Mike
That's a good piece and well illistrated
Larry
From: Pantera Mike Drew <mikeldrew at aol.com>
Date: Friday, April 17, 2020 at 11:22 AM
To: <mirrilm at earthlink.net>, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>,
<marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>, <julian_kift at hotmail.com>,
<scottcouchman at yahoo.com>
Cc: <DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] campys
All,
I don't know if the forum supports PDF attachments, but (hopefully)
attached is the second, more definitive article I wrote on the wheel
differences, from the 2000 No. 3 POCA Profiles. If it doesn't come
through for you, and you are a POCA member, you should be able to
access it via the POCA website in the online archives (or contact me
directly and I can send it to you).
I was about to publish a complimentary article on the three different
types of Campagnolo 10-inch wheels, but was still conducting research
on the new Marvic and Roin replica wheels to run as a sidebar article.
There has been a lot of grossly incorrect information published about
10-inch wheels (some of it very recently, I'm afraid), so I am now
further motivated to set the record straight, as there is still a lot
of confusion out there.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Mirril McMullen <mirrilm at earthlink.net>
To: 'Larry Stock' <larrys at panteraparts.com>; 'marshallgsmith'
<marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net>; 'Julian Kift'
<julian_kift at hotmail.com>; 'Mike Drew' <MikeLDrew at aol.com>; 'Scott
Couchman' <scottcouchman at yahoo.com>
Cc: DeTomaso <DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Fri, Apr 17, 2020 10:52 am
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] campys
JUST mis-matched wheels????
My $0.02
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From: DeTomaso [mailto:[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf Of Larry Stock
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 11:32 AM
To: marshallgsmith; Julian Kift; Mike Drew; Scott Couchman
Cc: [2]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] campys
The Factory had a pretty logical and systematic tool and manufacturing
approach to the making of these wheels, while true they probably mixed
a few during the transition between the making of new Aluminum tooling
and the earlier wood pattern tools, the Early wheels could not have
been put on late Pantera's and vice versa that we see all the time
today.
I think we can attribute all the miss matched wheels to Gary Hall, he
sent me a mismatched wheel then a mismatched reconditioned set back in
the 80's.
Larry Stock
On 4/17/20, 8:12 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of marshallgsmith"
<[3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[4]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Great point Julian! There are just too many mismatched sets on
people's
cars to indicate otherwise. And we all know the quality control
that
DeTomaso is known for.
Marshall
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: Julian Kift <[5]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Date: 4/17/20 6:54 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Mike Drew <[6]MikeLDrew at aol.com>, Scott Couchman
<[7]scottcouchman at yahoo.com>
Cc: [8]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] campys
With such subtle differences what's the chance many of these car
actually left the factory with mismatched wheels? Realistically
how
many owners would switch out wheels or have another set or
different
spare to mix up?
If that is the case should one just accept this as another small
idiosyncrasy of the Pantera and live with it, the car is only
original
once!
Julian
________________________________
From: DeTomaso <[9]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf of
Scott Couchman via DeTomaso
<[10]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 6:08 PM
To: Mike Drew <[11]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Cc: [12]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com
<[13]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] campys
Mike is so right. My car had three wheels that matched and one
didn't.
I was sure I knew what wheel to buy so they would all match. I
bought a
fifth wheel and when I got it home realized it doesn't match any
of my
existing wheels. Look very closely, the differences can be
subtle....and for me, confusing. Mike wrote a great reference
article
that explains the differences, and Jack DeRyke had a great
article in
this month's newsletter on the 10"campy. Thanks to both of you!
> On Apr 16, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<[14]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> Bob,
>
> What kind of Campagnolo wheels? Remember there were four
different
styles of two-slot wheels between 1971-74, plus one-slot wheels,
and
ultra rare three-slot wheels only used on prototypes.
>
> I just worked on a Jan `72 car today that had three 1973
L-model
wheels and a 1972 late Pre-L wheel. Lots of people have
mismatched
wheels and don't even realize it (this guy owned the car 29 years
and
had never noticed).
>
> So. Details please, including good pics of all four wheels. If
it's a
genuine set, rather than four mismatched wheels, that's obviously
better. Values have been going up in recent years as people are
finally
realizing the benefits of stock wheels and returning cars to
stock
appearance.
>
> Miie
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Apr 16, 2020, at 12:30, Robert Levitt via DeTomaso
<[15]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>
>> Would like to sell original set of CAMPYS .
>> Anyone interested ?
>> Contact
>> Bob
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