[DeTomaso] Charlie’s clutch
Julian Kift
julian_kift at hotmail.com
Thu Apr 9 21:57:55 EDT 2020
Mike,
Where are you shopping for parts?
Centerforce billet 164 tooth flywheel is about $325, the aluminum $450, but you kinda need to look at the big picture....
On the McLeod site they only recommend the 75110 Street Pro (400HP) or 75210 Super Street Pro (500HP) under DeTomaso Pantera. A price tag of $560 for the Street Pro version. The pictures on Summit Racing show a diaphragm style for the same part #, but McLeod show a 3 finger style and neither has an accurate description to determine whom is correct, but I'd lean towards McLeod.
The 400HP Centerforce is $347 all day long, so under normal circumstance you'd be out $675 for the total Centerforce setup with a new flywheel and $560 for McLeod, however, it appears Summit Racing have the Super Street Pro version priced lower than the lesser capable Street Pro and on sale right now for $473, that's a significant savings over the likes of Jegs etc. advertised price.
Julian
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Charlie’s clutch
Because it requires expensive (in Spain) machine work to redrill the flywheel. If they get it even a bit wrong the car will shake like a wet dog.
Or, the purchase of a $600 Centerforce aluminum flywheel. I don’t know if they offer an iron version or not.
The fact that they sell a clutch that requires so much extra cost and/or effort because they can’t be bothered to make it correctly, rules them out IMHO. Their clutch itself is quite good (although the whole weights thing is a total BS gimmick they came up with to circumvent McLeod’s patent on their diaphragm clutch) and if I had one in a car I certainly would feel perfectly fine with it.
But I would never convert a car to use it, if I could help it.
Mike
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> On Apr 9, 2020, at 15:48, Thomas Törnblom <tipo874 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Care to tell why Centerforce is out of the question?
>
> Not trying to change anyone’s mind, just curious as I’m pleased with the ones I’ve used/am using.
>
> Thomas
>
>> 9 apr. 2020 kl. 23:40 skrev Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>:
>>
>> Mcleod Diaphragm, because you said he can't have a Centerforce
>>
>> Julian
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>>
>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
>> Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 1:09 PM
>> To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Charlie's clutch
>>
>> All,
>> Since a Charlie is asleep on India I will ask another question on his
>> behalf.
>> He needs a new clutch, and will not be using a Centerforce so don't
>> even ask.
>> McLeod is the way to go. He has options of course.
>> If he sticks with a three-finger clutch he can use an organic or
>> dual-friction disc. These would be the simplest and least expensive
>> alternative.
>> If he switches to diaphragm style, that entails greater expense, not
>> even considering the added cost of the purchase of an adjustable
>> throwout bearing. He would also have to choose between organic or
>> dual-friction disc.
>> His motor is a 351-inch Cleveland with Aussie heads and a nice cam. So
>> it has loads of torque and perhaps 400-425 hp. The car is exclusively
>> street-driven and while the vast majority is highway cruising, he does
>> beat on it on occasion.
>> So: three-finger or diaphragm? Organic or dual-friction? He has four
>> options with progressively greater costs, and his budget is not
>> unlimited.
>> Weigh in with your opinions as to what he should do, and why you think
>> he should do what you suggest?
>> Mike
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Mike,
Where are you shopping for parts?
Centerforce billet 164 tooth flywheel is about $325, the aluminum $450,
but you kinda need to look at the big picture....
On the McLeod site they only recommend the 75110 Street Pro (400HP) or
75210 Super Street Pro (500HP) under DeTomaso Pantera. A price tag of
$560 for the Street Pro version. The pictures on Summit Racing show a
diaphragm style for the same part #, but McLeod show a 3 finger style
and neither has an accurate description to determine whom is correct,
but I'd lean towards McLeod.
The 400HP Centerforce is $347 all day long, so under normal
circumstance you'd be out $675 for the total Centerforce setup with a
new flywheel and $560 for McLeod, however, it appears Summit Racing
have the Super Street Pro version priced lower than the lesser capable
Street Pro and on sale right now for $473, that's a significant savings
over the likes of Jegs etc. advertised price.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 5:00 PM
To: Thomas Toernblom <tipo874 at gmail.com>
Cc: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>; De Tomaso Forum
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Charlie's clutch
Because it requires expensive (in Spain) machine work to redrill the
flywheel. If they get it even a bit wrong the car will shake like a wet
dog.
Or, the purchase of a $600 Centerforce aluminum flywheel. I don't know
if they offer an iron version or not.
The fact that they sell a clutch that requires so much extra cost
and/or effort because they can't be bothered to make it correctly,
rules them out IMHO. Their clutch itself is quite good (although the
whole weights thing is a total BS gimmick they came up with to
circumvent McLeod's patent on their diaphragm clutch) and if I had one
in a car I certainly would feel perfectly fine with it.
But I would never convert a car to use it, if I could help it.
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On Apr 9, 2020, at 15:48, Thomas Toernblom <tipo874 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Care to tell why Centerforce is out of the question?
>
> Not trying to change anyone's mind, just curious as I'm pleased with
the ones I've used/am using.
>
> Thomas
>
>> 9 apr. 2020 kl. 23:40 skrev Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>:
>>
>> Mcleod Diaphragm, because you said he can't have a Centerforce
>>
>> Julian
>>
__________________________________________________________________
>>
>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
of
>> Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 1:09 PM
>> To: De Tomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Charlie's clutch
>>
>> All,
>> Since a Charlie is asleep on India I will ask another question on
his
>> behalf.
>> He needs a new clutch, and will not be using a Centerforce so don't
>> even ask.
>> McLeod is the way to go. He has options of course.
>> If he sticks with a three-finger clutch he can use an organic or
>> dual-friction disc. These would be the simplest and least expensive
>> alternative.
>> If he switches to diaphragm style, that entails greater expense,
not
>> even considering the added cost of the purchase of an adjustable
>> throwout bearing. He would also have to choose between organic or
>> dual-friction disc.
>> His motor is a 351-inch Cleveland with Aussie heads and a nice cam.
So
>> it has loads of torque and perhaps 400-425 hp. The car is
exclusively
>> street-driven and while the vast majority is highway cruising, he
does
>> beat on it on occasion.
>> So: three-finger or diaphragm? Organic or dual-friction? He has
four
>> options with progressively greater costs, and his budget is not
>> unlimited.
>> Weigh in with your opinions as to what he should do, and why you
think
>> he should do what you suggest?
>> Mike
>> Sent from my iPad
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