[DeTomaso] Insurance
Jim Wallace
pantera_4220 at yahoo.com
Fri Mar 29 14:32:02 EDT 2019
All,
I thought insurance was also based on where you live and your driving record just not the car itself. I pay $500 for Grundy per year and the agreed value is like 50k with unlimited miles. The car is worth way more.......I need to start calling other agencies. My 1966 Galaxie convertible 4spd big block is only $180 a year with them.
Jim
From: Dennis Valdez via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
To: Curt Hall <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>; Larry Larsen <gp4pantera at gmail.com>
Cc: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>; P - Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Insurance
Guys,
Just for more data:
I have an agreed value policy with Heacock.
$85,000 agreed value
$470.76 12 month premium
Dennis
On Thursday, March 28, 2019, 12:09:05 AM PDT, Larry Larsen
<gp4pantera at gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks guys.
I'll have to check that out...
Tomorrow I'll make the call, and check the paperwork language when I
come back for the weekend.
I know that when I got the insurance, I had to get an
appraisalA done.A A And did receive paperwork with those values
indicated.A A
Thanks again.
I'll check it out firstA thing tomorrow
LarryA
On Wed, Mar 27, 2019, 4:53 PM Curt Hall <[1][1]cuvee at sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
My 02 cents...
Larry
Like Mike said, the Magic words are Agreed Value! In Writing! Then in
the case of a total loss there is No Song and Dance!
Good Luck!A
On Wednesday, March 27, 2019, 4:25:55 PM PDT, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<[2][2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Larry,
Iam so glad you mentioned your policy.
You are getting SCREWED.
You say you have a Stated Value policy with a major insurance
company.
Do you know what that means? If means YOU say your car is worth X,
and
based on that, they charge you some amount. Nowhere in your policy
does
it say that THEY agree that your car is worth what you stated it is,
nor are they obligated to pay you any specific amount in the event of
a
total loss. When and if you were subject to a loss, they would handle
it like any other claim to a conventional car.A They would perform
their own analysis and do acompsa, including all sorts of horrible
examples like that rusted-out wreck we discussed yesterday, then come
up with an average value, and offer that to you, and no more.
The rest of us have AGREED VALUE policies, where both the insured and
the company AGREE in writing what they settlement would be in the
event
of a loss.
Many years ago I had a friend with a immaculate a72 Corvette
roadster.
He had it insured with USAA on a stated value policy with a value of
$20k, which was top dollar for such a car then, and he paid
accordingly.A When it was stolen, USAA looked at similar
year/make/model cars for sale in Autotrader etc and gave him $11.5k.
When he protested, they told him he was welcome to sue them, and
pointed out that by the time he paid his attorneyas fees, even if he
prevailed and received a settlement of $20k, he would be left with
less
than the $11.5k they were initially offering.
He couldnat argue with the logic, and reluctantly accepted half what
his car was worth, and slunk away, never owning a nice car again.
If you phone your agent and ask exactly what they would pay out in
the
event of a loss, he will evade and dodge the question with
meaningless
tripe like aDonat worry, we will take care of youa. If he says they
would your stated amount, demand he put that in writing. Either the
tap-dancing will begin, or you actually have an agreed value policy,
which is what you want.
The third option is Actual Cash Value policy, which is just an
ordinary
policy. With an ACV policy, you get no input at all.A They just
charge
what they want to charge, and then make a settlement based solely on
what they want to give you. In terms of the settlement itas no
different from a stated value policy. The only difference is that
they
donat trick you into making a statement of what you think your car is
worth in the false belief that the statement is meaningful in any
way.A
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On Mar 27, 2019, at 16:06, Larry Larsen
<[3][3]gp4pantera at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>A Farmers insurance Morgan Hill, CaliforniaA
>A Tell 408.778.2761
>A Stated value on 1972 PanteraA
>A $130k isA $93A for 6 months
>A Stated value on 1973 L PanteraA
>A $100k is $98A for 6 months
>A I believe the deductable is $1000.
>A Maximum mileage is 2500 per year.
>A Both vehicles are insured as parade, car show, events, etc and
limited
>A usage.
>A Example.... Fun Rally, Monterey, etc. Not every day usage.A
>A Prices are Not part of a bundled package as I have no other
policies
>A with Farmers.
>A They do Hagardy as well at a higher cost.
>A Larry
>
>A On Wed, Mar 27, 2019, 12:28 PM MARK CHARLTON
>A <[1][4][4]pantera01826 at rogers.com> wrote:
>
>A A FWIW,
>A A Hagerty ALSO has a Private Client division with better rates
for
>A A collections. Many agents may not know, so itas worth asking if
you
>A A are insuring several cars.
>A A Mark Charlton
>A A [2][5][5]pantera01826 at rogers.com
>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 11:38 AM, timepiecepr2--- via DeTomaso
>A A <[3][6][6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>>
>> AA A I also switched from Hagerty to AIG Private Client group and
>A A have been
>> AA A VERY happy with it. Anyone can ping me privately if you want
>A A to hear
>> AA A about my experience.
>> AA A Scott Black
>>
>> AA A On Wednesday, March 27, 2019, 10:33:54 AM CDT, Mike Drew via
>A A DeTomaso
>> AA A <[4][7][7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>> AA A Tom,
>> AA A No, thatas low. Very low. You couldnat buy a decent Pantera
>A A for $60k.
>> AA A You should be insured for a fair bit more than that.
>> AA A Mike
>> AA A Sent from my iPad
>>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 05:19, Tom Cabanski
>A A <[1][5][8][8]tcabanski at tencom.com>
>> AA A wrote:
>>>
>>> Have Haggerty/American Insurance coming up for my one year
>A A renewal
>>>
>>> $353 for value of $60,000.
>>>
>>> Is that high?
>>>
>>> Tom
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All,
I thought insurance was also based on where you live and your driving
record just not the car itself. I pay $500 for Grundy per year and the
agreed value is like 50k with unlimited miles. The car is worth way
more.......I need to start calling other agencies. My 1966 Galaxie
convertible 4spd big block is only $180 a year with them.
Jim
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From: Dennis Valdez via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
To: Curt Hall <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>; Larry Larsen
<gp4pantera at gmail.com>
Cc: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew at aol.com>; P - Mail List
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Insurance
Guys,
Just for more data:
I have an agreed value policy with Heacock.
$85,000 agreed value
$470.76 12 month premium
Dennis
On Thursday, March 28, 2019, 12:09:05 AM PDT, Larry Larsen
<[1]gp4pantera at gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks guys.
I'll have to check that out...
Tomorrow I'll make the call, and check the paperwork language when
I
come back for the weekend.
I know that when I got the insurance, I had to get an
appraisalA done.A A And did receive paperwork with those values
indicated.A A
Thanks again.
I'll check it out firstA thing tomorrow
LarryA
On Wed, Mar 27, 2019, 4:53 PM Curt Hall
<[1][1][2]cuvee at sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
My 02 cents...
Larry
Like Mike said, the Magic words are Agreed Value! In Writing! Then
in
the case of a total loss there is No Song and Dance!
Good Luck!A
On Wednesday, March 27, 2019, 4:25:55 PM PDT, Mike Drew via
DeTomaso
<[2][2][3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Larry,
Iam so glad you mentioned your policy.
You are getting SCREWED.
You say you have a Stated Value policy with a major insurance
company.
Do you know what that means? If means YOU say your car is worth X,
and
based on that, they charge you some amount. Nowhere in your policy
does
it say that THEY agree that your car is worth what you stated it
is,
nor are they obligated to pay you any specific amount in the event
of
a
total loss. When and if you were subject to a loss, they would
handle
it like any other claim to a conventional car.A They would perform
their own analysis and do acompsa, including all sorts of horrible
examples like that rusted-out wreck we discussed yesterday, then
come
up with an average value, and offer that to you, and no more.
The rest of us have AGREED VALUE policies, where both the insured
and
the company AGREE in writing what they settlement would be in the
event
of a loss.
Many years ago I had a friend with a immaculate a72 Corvette
roadster.
He had it insured with USAA on a stated value policy with a value
of
$20k, which was top dollar for such a car then, and he paid
accordingly.A When it was stolen, USAA looked at similar
year/make/model cars for sale in Autotrader etc and gave him
$11.5k.
When he protested, they told him he was welcome to sue them, and
pointed out that by the time he paid his attorneyas fees, even if
he
prevailed and received a settlement of $20k, he would be left with
less
than the $11.5k they were initially offering.
He couldnat argue with the logic, and reluctantly accepted half
what
his car was worth, and slunk away, never owning a nice car again.
If you phone your agent and ask exactly what they would pay out in
the
event of a loss, he will evade and dodge the question with
meaningless
tripe like aDonat worry, we will take care of youa. If he says they
would your stated amount, demand he put that in writing. Either the
tap-dancing will begin, or you actually have an agreed value
policy,
which is what you want.
The third option is Actual Cash Value policy, which is just an
ordinary
policy. With an ACV policy, you get no input at all.A They just
charge
what they want to charge, and then make a settlement based solely
on
what they want to give you. In terms of the settlement itas no
different from a stated value policy. The only difference is that
they
donat trick you into making a statement of what you think your car
is
worth in the false belief that the statement is meaningful in any
way.A
Mike
Sent from my iPad
> On Mar 27, 2019, at 16:06, Larry Larsen
<[3][3][4]gp4pantera at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>A Farmers insurance Morgan Hill, CaliforniaA
>A Tell 408.778.2761
>A Stated value on 1972 PanteraA
>A $130k isA $93A for 6 months
>A Stated value on 1973 L PanteraA
>A $100k is $98A for 6 months
>A I believe the deductable is $1000.
>A Maximum mileage is 2500 per year.
>A Both vehicles are insured as parade, car show, events, etc and
limited
>A usage.
>A Example.... Fun Rally, Monterey, etc. Not every day usage.A
>A Prices are Not part of a bundled package as I have no other
policies
>A with Farmers.
>A They do Hagardy as well at a higher cost.
>A Larry
>
>A On Wed, Mar 27, 2019, 12:28 PM MARK CHARLTON
>A <[1][4][4][5]pantera01826 at rogers.com> wrote:
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>A A FWIW,
>A A Hagerty ALSO has a Private Client division with better rates
for
>A A collections. Many agents may not know, so itas worth asking
if
you
>A A are insuring several cars.
>A A Mark Charlton
>A A [2][5][5][6]pantera01826 at rogers.com
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