[DeTomaso] Ares Project 1 - Panther

Ken Green kenn_green at yahoo.com
Fri Mar 15 22:14:28 EDT 2019 

Actually, I think the hard core Vette guys are a lot worse than Pantera folks.  If the original part had over spray, runs, etc, and you clean it up, they consider it sacrilege.
I guess I'm a moderate because I think some of the new colors, like Larry Finch's car, look fantastic, but anything more than GTS flares turns me off.  Has anyone tracked sales of cars with lots of body mods?  My guess is that the resale is poor and all the $s spent on mods has zero or negative return.
Ken


-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf
Of Julian Kift
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 3:25 PM
To: GERRY ROMACK; Larry Finch; Larry Finch via DeTomaso
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ares Project 1 - Panther

No matter what it looks like there are always going to be haters and from
reactions across the various forums/social media it seems there are no
bigger haters than the purist Pantera crowd. You know; those same people
that for years embraced any and all modifications to their cars (cue music
for the good, bad and the ugly) and also complained they weren't worth a
dime. Yes, those same people who now scramble to find oem parts at scrap
value prices and won't drive their Pantera's because they are worth too much
and complain about all that too!

Yes, this a modified Huracan platform, yes it costs a lot of money, but then
so does the base car it came from and as with many low volume supercars and
coach builders you are paying for exclusivity. Is it in my budget no, hell
no, but if I was spending that sort of money on a car I'd give it serious
consideration, no, actually I'd buy one, but then if I was spending that
sort of money on a car It would be because I had the means to have a lot of
cars! And having bought it I'd sure as hell be welcome at Cars & Coffee if
not the POCA Fun Rally!

I actually see more Pantera in this embodiment than I do Huracan, maybe that
would rapidly fade in pressing the button when the V10 engine spurts into
life, but visually I think it is a great effort and I'd like to think Tom
Tjaarda would see the likeness and cues that he designed so many years ago.
Part of the problem of any modern rendition is that the Pantera has stood
the test of time so well, it doesn't look out of place against any modern
supercar and in some cases can still outshine them. But in reality this Ares
isn't a car targeted at the current Pantera owner, it is a modern rendition
for a modern World that demands luxury in a vehicle and for people who have
lost touch with being one with the car and feeling out every inch of the
road.

In comparison to dropping what is reported to be +$350K (we don't know for
sure because Tom Kim has been ever so quiet) on a stretched carbon fiber
copy of a GT5-S I'd sure try and find the extra for the Ares version. After
all, if I want a GT5-S why not just buy the original at lower cost? Because,
as I said these new Pantera's are not a car for a driver, but a car for
someone who wants to be driven in perceived style, a status symbol, perhaps
for the likes of someone whose parent has just bought their way into an Ivy
league school and needs a to make an arrival statement. Whereas, we as
Pantera owners are more about the departure statement!

Julian
________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of GERRY
ROMACK <gr2835 at comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 11:39 AM
To: Larry Finch; Larry Finch via DeTomaso
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ares Project 1 - Panther

The new Ares DeTomaso sportscar is nothing more than a rebadged Lambourgini
Hurican for $685,000. This is coming from Tom Kim's EX-Partner in Europe who
is calling it a Panther for Legal reasons.

https://www.motor1.com/news/313525/ares-panther-de-tomaso-tribute/

> Gerry
>

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   Actually, I think the hard core Vette guys are a lot worse than Pantera
   folks.  If the original part had over spray, runs, etc, and you clean
   it up, they consider it sacrilege.
   I guess I'm a moderate because I think some of the new colors, like
   Larry Finch's car, look fantastic, but anything more than GTS flares
   turns me off.  Has anyone tracked sales of cars with lots of body
   mods?  My guess is that the resale is poor and all the $s spent on mods
   has zero or negative return.
   Ken
   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso [mailto:[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
   Behalf
   Of Julian Kift
   Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 3:25 PM
   To: GERRY ROMACK; Larry Finch; Larry Finch via DeTomaso
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ares Project 1 - Panther
   No matter what it looks like there are always going to be haters and
   from
   reactions across the various forums/social media it seems there are no
   bigger haters than the purist Pantera crowd. You know; those same
   people
   that for years embraced any and all modifications to their cars (cue
   music
   for the good, bad and the ugly) and also complained they weren't worth
   a
   dime. Yes, those same people who now scramble to find oem parts at
   scrap
   value prices and won't drive their Pantera's because they are worth too
   much
   and complain about all that too!
   Yes, this a modified Huracan platform, yes it costs a lot of money, but
   then
   so does the base car it came from and as with many low volume supercars
   and
   coach builders you are paying for exclusivity. Is it in my budget no,
   hell
   no, but if I was spending that sort of money on a car I'd give it
   serious
   consideration, no, actually I'd buy one, but then if I was spending
   that
   sort of money on a car It would be because I had the means to have a
   lot of
   cars! And having bought it I'd sure as hell be welcome at Cars & Coffee
   if
   not the POCA Fun Rally!
   I actually see more Pantera in this embodiment than I do Huracan, maybe
   that
   would rapidly fade in pressing the button when the V10 engine spurts
   into
   life, but visually I think it is a great effort and I'd like to think
   Tom
   Tjaarda would see the likeness and cues that he designed so many years
   ago.
   Part of the problem of any modern rendition is that the Pantera has
   stood
   the test of time so well, it doesn't look out of place against any
   modern
   supercar and in some cases can still outshine them. But in reality this
   Ares
   isn't a car targeted at the current Pantera owner, it is a modern
   rendition
   for a modern World that demands luxury in a vehicle and for people who
   have
   lost touch with being one with the car and feeling out every inch of
   the
   road.
   In comparison to dropping what is reported to be +$350K (we don't know
   for
   sure because Tom Kim has been ever so quiet) on a stretched carbon
   fiber
   copy of a GT5-S I'd sure try and find the extra for the Ares version.
   After
   all, if I want a GT5-S why not just buy the original at lower cost?
   Because,
   as I said these new Pantera's are not a car for a driver, but a car for
   someone who wants to be driven in perceived style, a status symbol,
   perhaps
   for the likes of someone whose parent has just bought their way into an
   Ivy
   league school and needs a to make an arrival statement. Whereas, we as
   Pantera owners are more about the departure statement!
   Julian
   ________________________________
   From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
   of GERRY
   ROMACK <[3]gr2835 at comcast.net>
   Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 11:39 AM
   To: Larry Finch; Larry Finch via DeTomaso
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ares Project 1 - Panther
   The new Ares DeTomaso sportscar is nothing more than a rebadged
   Lambourgini
   Hurican for $685,000. This is coming from Tom Kim's EX-Partner in
   Europe who
   is calling it a Panther for Legal reasons.
   [4]https://www.motor1.com/news/313525/ares-panther-de-tomaso-tribute/
   > Gerry
   >
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