[DeTomaso] The Grand Tour

Mike Drew MikeLDrew at aol.com
Mon Mar 11 13:43:45 EDT 2019


Julian,

It’s always been a little bit of a smoker, but in recent years it has really started to show its age. It still seems to run strong, but then an all-aluminum 427 Windsor stroker could lose a lot and still feel plenty fast. 

When I drove it to Italy and back in 2009 it was always on the verge of boiling over, but never did. Geoff deliberately fitted an undersized radiator suited to a 4-cylinder car, to save weight! Really dumb idea. It’s barely adequate in cold England, and was right at the limit in Italy. I finally just gave up looking at the temperature gauge as it was always right at 230.

The car only weighs about 2500 pounds. 

Mike

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> On Mar 11, 2019, at 07:17, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The amount of oil it appeared to burning I'd say it needed a rebuild too! Either that or it has one of those stroker motors with the oil rings intersecting the wrist pins and that is normal, either way not sure it would be too healthy following it closely, even in a Renault!
> 
> Julian
> 
> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 10:12 AM
> To: Richard Greenblum
> Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] The Grand Tour
>  
> You goofballs. 
> 
> You manage to overlook the fact that the entire chase sequence was scripted for comedic effect, and believe that the Pantera actually overheated and broke down???
> 
> They used a smoke bomb!
> 
> The car ran like a top and put up with unbelievable amounts of abuse. Only a fraction of the footage shot was actually used. The number of sidestep burnouts, powerslides etc they did beggars belief, and the car took it all like a champ. 
> 
> When it got home it needed new rear tires, flywheel and clutch. Those were totally (and deliberately) wrecked. 
> 
> Mike
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> > On Mar 11, 2019, at 07:01, Richard Greenblum <richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Agree with Tom. My car doesn't overheat, hasn't in more than 35 years. I hate that the issue is raised, especially when the reason isn't given. It could have been that the fans are manually switched and the driver forgot to turn them on...or it could be any number of things that could have been easily prevented.
> > 
> > Richard
> > Austin, TX
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On Behalf Of Tom Shinrock via DeTomaso
> > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 10:59 AM
> > To: detomaso at detomasolist.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] The Grand Tour
> > 
> > Although it was entertaining to watch the Pantera racing around it was disappointing to see it end by propagating the stigma of the Pantera breaking down due to overheating.
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> > To: David <david at msmcontractors.org>
> > Cc: detomaso <detomaso at detomasolist.com>
> > Sent: Sun, Mar 10, 2019 10:56 pm
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] The Grand Tour
> > 
> > David,
> > 
> > Missed anything? What do you mean specifically?
> > 
> > I posted several videos during the shooting of the film, several months ago. Did you see those?
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> > Sent from my iPad
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> >> On Mar 10, 2019, at 16:01, David <david at msmcontractors.org> wrote:
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> >> Have I missed anything about the making of the latest episode?
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   Julian,

   It's always been a little bit of a smoker, but in recent years it has
   really started to show its age. It still seems to run strong, but then
   an all-aluminum 427 Windsor stroker could lose a lot and still feel
   plenty fast.

   When I drove it to Italy and back in 2009 it was always on the verge of
   boiling over, but never did. Geoff deliberately fitted an undersized
   radiator suited to a 4-cylinder car, to save weight! Really dumb idea.
   It's barely adequate in cold England, and was right at the limit in
   Italy. I finally just gave up looking at the temperature gauge as it
   was always right at 230.

   The car only weighs about 2500 pounds.

   Mike
   Sent from my iPad
   On Mar 11, 2019, at 07:17, Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
   wrote:

   The amount of oil it appeared to burning I'd say it needed a rebuild
   too! Either that or it has one of those stroker motors with the oil
   rings intersecting the wrist pins and that is normal, either way not
   sure it would be too healthy following it closely, even in a Renault!

   Julian
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
   of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 10:12 AM
   To: Richard Greenblum
   Cc: [4]detomaso at detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] The Grand Tour

   You goofballs.
   You manage to overlook the fact that the entire chase sequence was
   scripted for comedic effect, and believe that the Pantera actually
   overheated and broke down???
   They used a smoke bomb!
   The car ran like a top and put up with unbelievable amounts of abuse.
   Only a fraction of the footage shot was actually used. The number of
   sidestep burnouts, powerslides etc they did beggars belief, and the car
   took it all like a champ.
   When it got home it needed new rear tires, flywheel and clutch. Those
   were totally (and deliberately) wrecked.
   Mike
   Sent from my iPad
   > On Mar 11, 2019, at 07:01, Richard Greenblum
   <[5]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
   >
   > Agree with Tom. My car doesn't overheat, hasn't in more than 35
   years. I hate that the issue is raised, especially when the reason
   isn't given. It could have been that the fans are manually switched and
   the driver forgot to turn them on...or it could be any number of things
   that could have been easily prevented.
   >
   > Richard
   > Austin, TX
   >
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: DeTomaso <[6]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On
   Behalf Of Tom Shinrock via DeTomaso
   > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 10:59 AM
   > To: [7]detomaso at detomasolist.com
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] The Grand Tour
   >
   > Although it was entertaining to watch the Pantera racing around it
   was disappointing to see it end by propagating the stigma of the
   Pantera breaking down due to overheating.
   >
   >
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   > To: David <[9]david at msmcontractors.org>
   > Cc: detomaso <[10]detomaso at detomasolist.com>
   > Sent: Sun, Mar 10, 2019 10:56 pm
   > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] The Grand Tour
   >
   > David,
   >
   > Missed anything? What do you mean specifically?
   >
   > I posted several videos during the shooting of the film, several
   months ago. Did you see those?
   >
   > Mike
   >
   > Sent from my iPad
   >
   >> On Mar 10, 2019, at 16:01, David <[11]david at msmcontractors.org>
   wrote:
   >>
   >> Have I missed anything about the making of the latest episode?
   >> David Finley
   >> #3659
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