[DeTomaso] P72

Fri Jul 12 21:01:59 EDT 2019

Peter Brock writes that upon the partnership with De Tomaso and Shelby forming he pulled out his original design for the McDonald Lang Cooper and refined the lines for what would become the Shelby - De Toamso P70 "Prototipo 7 liter"

I think Jack alluded to it but didn't call it out specifically being a reference to the 7.0 liter engine, that it ultimately didn't have. Remember the original concept was for a CanAm car.

Julian
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Matt Wells <nwpantera at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 5:07 PM
To: jderyke at aol.com
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] P72

Good stuff Jack. Thank you for a great story except I don't see any
connection between the story and why they call it the P72.
Am I missing something?

On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 3:26 PM <jderyke at aol.com> wrote:

> Convoluted story. Ten V-8 sports-racers were supposed to run a series in
> Europe & the U.S. DeTomaso had Brock's blueprints but when his shop tried
> to build one, they mis-translated the SAE dimensions into metric, so the
> cockpit literally had no room for a human being. Everyone called it the
> "Manoletto'- able to be driven only by a legless mannequin. DeTomaso was
> embarrassed & scrapped the car. It was eventually reclaimed by some local
> shop into what looked like a Gr-C coupe with a Porsche engine/trans- which
> left enough room for a human driver. It still exists today. Photos and a
> brief description are in Olczyck's 'DeTomaso Racing' book, pgs 53-101.
>
>  A few weeks after DeTomaso had thrown Brock and his Shelby project out
> of his shop, he saw one being finished up personally by Brock at *Carrozzeria
> Fantuzzi*  just a few doors down the street. It looked so good, DeTomaso
> began building another one himself, with more attention being paid to
> dimensions. About that time, Shelby/Ford refused to pay for the
> ''Manoletto", using the Ford money instead to win the World Championship
> for the Cobras, further aggravating DeTomaso who was stuck for the bill.
> Fantuzzi was likely stuck for the cost of the 'Sport 5000'.
>
> To one-up Shelby/Brock's abandoned Fantuzzi- built car with a 5-L Ford,
> DeTomaso claimed his would have a 427 (7-liter) in it. In fact, neither car
> ever ran a 7 liter engine but it was a catchy name. The chassis (with a 5-L
> Ford) was shown at the Geneva Auto show but no one bought so DeTomaso used
> the chassis with a prototype Ghia coupe body to create the Mangusta (a
> Cobra killer- to worry Shelby), so he finally made his expenses. Brock's "Sport
> 5000" (for its 5-L Ford engine) only ran once in actual competition,
> DNF-ing on lap 3 at Mugello in'66 while DeTomaso's second one apparently
> never ran in a race.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Wells <nwpantera at gmail.com>
> To: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
> Sent: Fri, Jul 12, 2019 9:40 am
> Subject: [DeTomaso] P72
>
>   Hagerty gushing over the P72. Anybody know why they call it that?
>   [1]https://tinyurl.com/y2wk2hd3A A
>
>
> References
>
>   1. https://tinyurl.com/y2wk2hd3
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   Peter Brock writes that upon the partnership with De Tomaso and Shelby
   forming he pulled out his original design for the McDonald Lang Cooper
   and refined the lines for what would become the Shelby - De Toamso P70
   "Prototipo 7 liter"

   I think Jack alluded to it but didn't call it out specifically being a
   reference to the 7.0 liter engine, that it ultimately didn't have.
   Remember the original concept was for a CanAm car.

   Julian
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
   Matt Wells <nwpantera at gmail.com>
   Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 5:07 PM
   To: jderyke at aol.com
   Cc: DeTomaso Mail List
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] P72

   Good stuff Jack. Thank you for a great story except I don't see any
   connection between the story and why they call it the P72.
   Am I missing something?
   On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 3:26 PM <jderyke at aol.com> wrote:
   > Convoluted story. Ten V-8 sports-racers were supposed to run a series
   in
   > Europe & the U.S. DeTomaso had Brock's blueprints but when his shop
   tried
   > to build one, they mis-translated the SAE dimensions into metric, so
   the
   > cockpit literally had no room for a human being. Everyone called it
   the
   > "Manoletto'- able to be driven only by a legless mannequin. DeTomaso
   was
   > embarrassed & scrapped the car. It was eventually reclaimed by some
   local
   > shop into what looked like a Gr-C coupe with a Porsche engine/trans-
   which
   > left enough room for a human driver. It still exists today. Photos
   and a
   > brief description are in Olczyck's 'DeTomaso Racing' book, pgs
   53-101.
   >
   >  A few weeks after DeTomaso had thrown Brock and his Shelby project
   out
   > of his shop, he saw one being finished up personally by Brock at
   *Carrozzeria
   > Fantuzzi*  just a few doors down the street. It looked so good,
   DeTomaso
   > began building another one himself, with more attention being paid to
   > dimensions. About that time, Shelby/Ford refused to pay for the
   > ''Manoletto", using the Ford money instead to win the World
   Championship
   > for the Cobras, further aggravating DeTomaso who was stuck for the
   bill.
   > Fantuzzi was likely stuck for the cost of the 'Sport 5000'.
   >
   > To one-up Shelby/Brock's abandoned Fantuzzi- built car with a 5-L
   Ford,
   > DeTomaso claimed his would have a 427 (7-liter) in it. In fact,
   neither car
   > ever ran a 7 liter engine but it was a catchy name. The chassis (with
   a 5-L
   > Ford) was shown at the Geneva Auto show but no one bought so DeTomaso
   used
   > the chassis with a prototype Ghia coupe body to create the Mangusta
   (a
   > Cobra killer- to worry Shelby), so he finally made his expenses.
   Brock's "Sport
   > 5000" (for its 5-L Ford engine) only ran once in actual competition,
   > DNF-ing on lap 3 at Mugello in'66 while DeTomaso's second one
   apparently
   > never ran in a race.
   >
   >
   >
   > -----Original Message-----
   > From: Matt Wells <nwpantera at gmail.com>
   > To: DeTomaso Mail List <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
   > Sent: Fri, Jul 12, 2019 9:40 am
   > Subject: [DeTomaso] P72
   >
   >   Hagerty gushing over the P72. Anybody know why they call it that?
   >   [1]https://tinyurl.com/y2wk2hd3A A
   >
   >
   > References
   >
   >   1. [1]https://tinyurl.com/y2wk2hd3
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References

   1. https://tinyurl.com/y2wk2hd3
   2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso