[DeTomaso] Changing Steering Wheels
marshall smith
marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net
Thu Jan 24 13:07:43 EST 2019
I have a used but very condition black leather wrapped Nardi with the hub that came off my car that I would sell. I went back to using my two spoke original wheel.
Let me know.
Marshall Smith
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On Thu, 1/24/19, Jack Donahue <demongusta at gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Changing Steering Wheels
To: "Steve" <steve at snclocks.com>
Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Date: Thursday, January 24, 2019, 7:46 AM
Well written - thank you for
that
On Jan 24, 2019,
at 7:37 AM, Steve <[1]steve at snclocks.com>
wrote:
Good morning
Mike!
The whole steering wheel pcd
thing is confusing. OK - pcd - pitch
circle diameter. Here is a simple table for some of the
popular
wheels:
Maker
Holes
Pitch Circle Diam
Nardi
6
74 mm
Momo
6
70 mm
Moto-Lita
9
101.6 mm (4 inch)
LeCarra
9
101 (4 inch)
Before anyone points
out the obvious, I am sure there are exceptions.
Take our Daytona Coupe - it uses the
same screw mounting that the
original
Cobra used - which is not evenly spaced.
It turns out that lots of adapters are available for
going from 70 to
74 mm pcd, or going
the other way. And, wow, Nardi offers a specific
hub for the Pantera - their part number
4302.14.1512 - which also
fits
a '69 to '72 Capri. Makes that
part easier. Looking at quick
releases, many are drilled for either the 70 or the 74
pcd. This
might
be easier than I thought, but, yes, as you point out, not
cheap.
But,
since
when is price the issue with our cars???
Honestly, every part of our Pantera is critical and
needs to be in
good
shape, properly installed and working properly. I
looked up
removable
steering wheel fails - forums suggest it comes down to
operator
error.
Which is why I do my best to do all of the work on our cars
myself -
I
don't want to rely on someone else to not make a
mistake. It's also
why I am
very careful on test drives - gads, what mistakes lurk
within???
Why a
removable wheel? Getting under the dash is a pain. And
the
wheel on 5332 is more of a pain
to remove than any of our other cars.
And, I suspect I will need some form of a spacer with the
Nardi hub.
But, as mentioned before,
every one of us gets to modify our cars to
fit our desires!!!
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Stephen
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Changing
Steering Wheels
Steve,
$727 for a steering wheel????
Nardi wheels use a unique bolt pattern
(PCD) and its next to
impossible
to find a hub for them.
What you want is a Momo wheel. The
Prototipo is the factory wheel De
Tomaso used on the Euro GTS, GT5, GT5-S and is a classic 70s
design
that is perfect for the car.
If you want a more modern, flashy wheel,
Momo offers those too.
Pantera
parts dealers offer fixed and removable hubs for Momo
wheels.
Personally I would not waste
time with a removable hub. Other than
for
a morbidly obese owner who
can't get in and out of the car otherwise
(and there are some of those), they are
pretty pointless, and can be
dangerous when they fail.
I had one
fail on me while driving a customized GT5 conversion in
San
Francisco. I came to an
intersection and turned right and the car
zoomed straight ahead. Fortunately I didn't hit
anything. We were
able
to take it apart and put it back
together in the middle of the
intersection and then carried on.
You
only need to have that happen once before you decide you
don't
like
them!
Full disclosure--Lori's car
came with one and although I bought a
fixed
replacement I haven't
changed it out yet. Hers has worked fine for
years because we never remove the
wheel.
Mike
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On Jan 23, 2019, at 10:34, Steve <[1][7]steve at snclocks.com>
wrote:
Good
morning Garth. Good question that. I've been
thinking
steering
wheels ever since,
about a year ago, I replaced the wheel in my '69
XKE
with one that is a little smaller in
diameter and a bit heavier -
the
change in that car was amazing - from the flexible
response of a
tiller
on a boat
(OK - one got used to it, but gads, there is a lot of
flex in
the originals) to a
crisp response. I was concerned it wouldn't
look
right - but it is
fine - and changes the way the car drives.
Significantly. For
the better. Besides, a friend who I have
guided
for 30 years on his
XKE gave it to me!
So, then, gave some thought to our Daytona Coupe. It came
with a
Mota-Lita
leather-rimmed wheel. Right - what came on those cars
originally - either
leather, or wood, with rivets. I've chosen to
replace the damaged
leather-rimmed wheel with one of the riveted
wheels
that match what came
originally on a Cobra. Like the Cobra, what
the
heck is a Coupe - a European exotic -
no, or, well, likely an
American
hot-rod - or, not really. I think this wheel will look
appropriate
-
given the use on the
Cobra's and on a few of the Coupes.
[1][2][8]https://www.moto-lita.co.uk/steering-wheels/ac-cobra-wood-ri
m-oem
/
Which brings me to
the Pantera. So, what is a Pantera? An
American
hot rod - well,
perhaps. Or an Italian supercar - well, perhaps.
I
agree that a wheel like the one above
would look totally out of
place.
But, a Nardi wood-rim? They fit
Ferrarrits and Lampos and Maesers
and
the like. But, really, the interior does not really
fit that style
-
though I'd argue
it could. No, the wheel I am considering is this
one
-
[2][3][9]http://www.mrsteeringwheel.com/nardi-kallista-wood-leather-3
50mm-
505
5-35-3000/ It brings
a touch of Italian flare without over powering
the
otherwise black interior. The
challenge I have is the Lecarra
looks
like it would fit perfectly on a
go-cart. OK, there are those that
could argue that a point and squirt as
potent as a Pantera could be
considered a go-cart. It's got
the first part down pat. But, I
guess
I am looking for something that speaks
to my interpretation of the
car
- a European supercar with the best possible
combination of
suspension,
engine
and looks.
And,
well, I sort of know good and well that many of you
will
disagree
- heck, I thought the
back window in the sugar scoop was a great
idea
for keeping the
engine clean and keeping folks hands out of the
engine
compartment - but, I
haven't heard of anyone else jumping on that
band-wagon. So,
well, thank god each of us gets to play with our
cars
as we think fit!
And, besides, Kelly
says I can have it! What better logic?
Stephen
From: Garth Rodericks
[[4][10]mailto:garth_rodericks at yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday,
January 23, 2019 9:52 AM
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[6][12]steve at snclocks.com
Subject: Changing
Steering Wheels
Hi
Steve,
Why would
you want to put a Nardi steering wheel in your Pantera?
A
wood rimmed Nardi just looks out of
place in a Pantera in my
opinion.
The
LeCarra wheel you have looks period correct and perfectly
suited to
the Pantera's
interior.
[3][7][13]https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pan
tera-D
eto
maso-5332/i-ZTmSp7z/0/c5405c5e/M/5332%2005%2031%202015%2021-M.jpg
Just my 2-cents.
Post a pic of the wheel you want to add.
Cheers!
Garth
References
1.
[8][14]https://www.moto-lita.co.uk/steering-wheels/ac-cobra-wood-rim-
oem/
2.
[9][15]http://www.mrsteeringwheel.com/nardi-kallista-wood-leather-350
mm-505
5-35-3000/
3.
[10][16]https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pante
ra-Det
oma
so-5332/i-ZTmSp7z/0/c5405c5e/M/5332%2005%2031%202015%2021-M.jpg
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