From fresnofinches at aol.com Tue Jan 1 12:46:15 2019 From: fresnofinches at aol.com (Larry Finch) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2019 09:46:15 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Happy New Year ! Message-ID: <69F2A857-4643-4AB0-9C77-D43CAC790F14@aol.com> All, Wishing all of my fellow DeTomaso Family friends and owners a healthy and happy 2019 Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. From garth_rodericks at yahoo.com Thu Jan 3 16:54:31 2019 From: garth_rodericks at yahoo.com (Garth Rodericks) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 21:54:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] K&N Crankcase Vent Filter - Rubber Disintegrating References: <1802236894.5864020.1546552471819.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1802236894.5864020.1546552471819@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Mike, I didn't see a reply to your post about the disintegrating K&N crankcase filter, so thought I'd share my 2-cents. I wouldn't worry about it.? Replace the rubber grommet/insert and forget about it. If you're really concerned, you can remove the valve cover and make sure there are no bits floating around in the top of the head. Other than that, if the bits have already been washed down to the pan through the oil return passages, then the screen on the oil pump pickup with stop the bigger bits, and the oil filter will catch anything small enough to go through the gear rotor pump.?If you have a removable rear cross-member, then you could drop the oil pan and clean it out for added peace of mind. But if you don't have a removable rear cross-member, then?cleaning out the pan will require removing the engine. Basically, I wouldn't worry about it. Cheers! Garth -------------- original message -------------- I've had a K&N crankcase filter on the engine in 6328 since is it was rebuilt in '07. Have realized over the years that the rubber at the base where it mounts to the valve cover has become heat-hardened and the retaining lip has begun to disintegrate, obviously dropping little bits of hard rubber underneath the v-cover and likely into the oil stream. Not sure how much hazard this is, and the engine has been running with no issues. Hoping that it's either collected at the bottom of the pan or has been caught in the oil filter. First lesson was obviously that I need to change this one out more often if I'm going to use this type. Any thoughts/comments on any risks I may now have before me? Thanks Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest 206-795-3302 Yellow '74 #6328 -------------- next part -------------- Hi Mike, I didn't see a reply to your post about the disintegrating K&N crankcase filter, so thought I'd share my 2-cents. I wouldn't worry about it. Replace the rubber grommet/insert and forget about it. If you're really concerned, you can remove the valve cover and make sure there are no bits floating around in the top of the head. Other than that, if the bits have already been washed down to the pan through the oil return passages, then the screen on the oil pump pickup with stop the bigger bits, and the oil filter will catch anything small enough to go through the gear rotor pump. If you have a removable rear cross-member, then you could drop the oil pan and clean it out for added peace of mind. But if you don't have a removable rear cross-member, then cleaning out the pan will require removing the engine. Basically, I wouldn't worry about it. Cheers! Garth -------------- original message -------------- I've had a K&N crankcase filter on the engine in 6328 since is it was rebuilt in '07. Have realized over the years that the rubber at the base where it mounts to the valve cover has become heat-hardened and the retaining lip has begun to disintegrate, obviously dropping little bits of hard rubber underneath the v-cover and likely into the oil stream. Not sure how much hazard this is, and the engine has been running with no issues. Hoping that it's either collected at the bottom of the pan or has been caught in the oil filter. First lesson was obviously that I need to change this one out more often if I'm going to use this type. Any thoughts/comments on any risks I may now have before me? Thanks Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest 206-795-3302 Yellow '74 #6328 From coxmichaelt at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 01:50:45 2019 From: coxmichaelt at gmail.com (Michael Cox) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 22:50:45 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Russo and Steele Auction Ad Message-ID: Nice add for auction Jan 16-20. . . http://x.e.crainpartners.com/ats/msg.aspx?sg1=4657874a47ef6038a46d16435d6d2f47 --michael cox -------------- next part -------------- Nice add for auction Jan 16-20. . . [1]http://x.e.crainpartners.com/ats/msg.aspx?sg1=4657874a47ef6038a46d16 435d6d2f47 A A --michael cox References 1. http://x.e.crainpartners.com/ats/msg.aspx?sg1=4657874a47ef6038a46d16435d6d2f47 From panteratime at aol.com Sat Jan 5 10:55:56 2019 From: panteratime at aol.com (Panteratime) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2019 15:55:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] window regulator question References: <1843594600.6659943.1546703756761.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1843594600.6659943.1546703756761@mail.yahoo.com> Folks,Detached the window regulator arm and have a question.???Where does the VERY thin,?wavy, washer go?? ? I recall maybe between the regulator arm and the short bar that's attached to trolly with plastic wheels.??????I only took off the screw that connects these two "bars" and the screw and washers that attaches the?aluminum trolly trac?to the top of the door frame.???So it goes in one of those 2 places!???Thanks!! -------------- next part -------------- Folks, Detached the window regulator arm and have a question. Where does the VERY thin, wavy, washer go? I recall maybe between the regulator arm and the short bar that's attached to trolly with plastic wheels.? I only took off the screw that connects these two "bars" and the screw and washers that attaches the aluminum trolly trac to the top of the door frame. So it goes in one of those 2 places! Thanks!! From julian_kift at hotmail.com Sat Jan 5 12:51:52 2019 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2019 17:51:52 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] A quick roundup of January Auction Detomaso vehicles Message-ID: Mecum, Kissimmee 1987 GT5-S https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0119-359791/1987-detomaso-pantera-gt5-s/ 1972 Pre-L https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0119-359757/1972-detomaso-pantera/ RM Sotheby's, Scottsdale 1971 Pushbutton https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/az19/arizona/lots/r0092-1971-de-tomaso-pantera-by-ghia/731893 1974 L https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/az19/arizona/lots/r0067-1974-de-tomaso-pantera-l-by-ghia/728568 Gooding & Co., Scottsdale Mangusta 8MA854 https://www.goodingco.com/vehicle/1969-de-tomaso-mangusta/ Barrett Jackson, Scottsdale 1971 https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1971-DE-TOMASO-PANTERA-CUSTOM-COUPE-227946 1973 GT5 Clone https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1973-DE-TOMASO-PANTERA-CUSTOM-COUPE-226586 1973 GT5 Clone https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1973-DE-TOMASO-PANTERA-GTS-223701 Russo & Steele, Scottsdale 1987 GT5-S https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=173606¤t_index=1&total_results=66&tsauction_id=200&=&caryear=0&caryearto=0&search_text=de%20tomaso&page=featured&showpage=1 1972 https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=173579¤t_index=5&total_results=66&tsauction_id=200&=&caryear=0&caryearto=0&search_text=de%20tomaso&page=featured&showpage=1 1972 https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=173256¤t_index=18&total_results=66&tsauction_id=200&=&caryear=0&caryearto=0&search_text=de%20tomaso&page=featured&showpage=1 -------------- next part -------------- Mecum, Kissimmee 1987 GT5-S [1]https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0119-359791/1987-detomaso-pantera-gt5-s / 1972 Pre-L [2]https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0119-359757/1972-detomaso-pantera/ RM Sotheby's, Scottsdale 1971 Pushbutton [3]https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/az19/arizona/lots/r0092-1971-de-t omaso-pantera-by-ghia/731893 1974 L [4]https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/az19/arizona/lots/r0067-1974-de-t omaso-pantera-l-by-ghia/728568 Gooding & Co., Scottsdale Mangusta 8MA854 [5]https://www.goodingco.com/vehicle/1969-de-tomaso-mangusta/ Barrett Jackson, Scottsdale 1971 [6]https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1971-DE-TOMASO- PANTERA-CUSTOM-COUPE-227946 1973 GT5 Clone [7]https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1973-DE-TOMASO- PANTERA-CUSTOM-COUPE-226586 1973 GT5 Clone [8]https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1973-DE-TOMASO- PANTERA-GTS-223701 Russo & Steele, Scottsdale 1987 GT5-S [9]https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=173606&curr ent_index=1&total_results=66&tsauction_id=200&=&caryear=0&caryearto=0&s earch_text=de%20tomaso&page=featured&showpage=1 1972 [10]https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=173579&cur rent_index=5&total_results=66&tsauction_id=200&=&caryear=0&caryearto=0& search_text=de%20tomaso&page=featured&showpage=1 1972 [11]https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=173256&cur rent_index=18&total_results=66&tsauction_id=200&=&caryear=0&caryearto=0 &search_text=de%20tomaso&page=featured&showpage=1 References 1. https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0119-359791/1987-detomaso-pantera-gt5-s/ 2. https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0119-359757/1972-detomaso-pantera/ 3. https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/az19/arizona/lots/r0092-1971-de-tomaso-pantera-by-ghia/731893 4. https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/az19/arizona/lots/r0067-1974-de-tomaso-pantera-l-by-ghia/728568 5. https://www.goodingco.com/vehicle/1969-de-tomaso-mangusta/ 6. https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1971-DE-TOMASO-PANTERA-CUSTOM-COUPE-227946 7. https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1973-DE-TOMASO-PANTERA-CUSTOM-COUPE-226586 8. https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1973-DE-TOMASO-PANTERA-GTS-223701 9. https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=173606¤t_index=1&total_results=66&tsauction_id=200&=&caryear=0&caryearto=0&search_text=de%20tomaso&page=featured&showpage=1 10. https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=173579¤t_index=5&total_results=66&tsauction_id=200&=&caryear=0&caryearto=0&search_text=de%20tomaso&page=featured&showpage=1 11. https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=173256¤t_index=18&total_results=66&tsauction_id=200&=&caryear=0&caryearto=0&search_text=de%20tomaso&page=featured&showpage=1 From scott at scottmeadphotography.com Sat Jan 5 13:44:49 2019 From: scott at scottmeadphotography.com (Scott Mead Photography) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2019 10:44:49 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] A quick roundup of January Auction Detomaso vehicles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Having photographed the ?87 GT5-S for Mecum and the red ?88 GT5-S for David Adler?s Extreme Panteras book, (being sold at Russo & Steele), I can vouch for both cars. The Mecum offering is a no-nonsense, no-excuses, low-miles, stock Amerisport car that?s gorgeous inside and out. The R&S offering is a no-holds-barred-no-expense-spared restoration that?s as custom as it gets. There isn?t a single part of the car that isn?t painted/polished/chromed, and it?s an amazing showpiece. If I won the Mega Millions lotto, I?d put them both in my garage. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 5, 2019, at 9:51 AM, Julian Kift wrote: > > Mecum, Kissimmee > > 1987 GT5-S > > [1]https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0119-359791/1987-detomaso-pantera-gt5-s > / > > 1972 Pre-L > > [2]https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0119-359757/1972-detomaso-pantera/ > > RM Sotheby's, Scottsdale > > 1971 Pushbutton > > [3]https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/az19/arizona/lots/r0092-1971-de-t > omaso-pantera-by-ghia/731893 > > 1974 L > > [4]https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/az19/arizona/lots/r0067-1974-de-t > omaso-pantera-l-by-ghia/728568 > Gooding & Co., Scottsdale > > Mangusta 8MA854 > > [5]https://www.goodingco.com/vehicle/1969-de-tomaso-mangusta/ > Barrett Jackson, Scottsdale > > 1971 > > [6]https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1971-DE-TOMASO- > PANTERA-CUSTOM-COUPE-227946 > > 1973 GT5 Clone > [7]https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1973-DE-TOMASO- > PANTERA-CUSTOM-COUPE-226586 > 1973 GT5 Clone > > [8]https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1973-DE-TOMASO- > PANTERA-GTS-223701 > > Russo & Steele, Scottsdale > > 1987 GT5-S > > [9]https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=173606&curr > ent_index=1&total_results=66&tsauction_id=200&=&caryear=0&caryearto=0&s > earch_text=de%20tomaso&page=featured&showpage=1 > > 1972 > > [10]https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=173579&cur > rent_index=5&total_results=66&tsauction_id=200&=&caryear=0&caryearto=0& > search_text=de%20tomaso&page=featured&showpage=1 > > 1972 > > [11]https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=173256&cur > rent_index=18&total_results=66&tsauction_id=200&=&caryear=0&caryearto=0 > &search_text=de%20tomaso&page=featured&showpage=1 > > References > > 1. https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0119-359791/1987-detomaso-pantera-gt5-s/ > 2. https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0119-359757/1972-detomaso-pantera/ > 3. https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/az19/arizona/lots/r0092-1971-de-tomaso-pantera-by-ghia/731893 > 4. https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/az19/arizona/lots/r0067-1974-de-tomaso-pantera-l-by-ghia/728568 > 5. https://www.goodingco.com/vehicle/1969-de-tomaso-mangusta/ > 6. https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1971-DE-TOMASO-PANTERA-CUSTOM-COUPE-227946 > 7. https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1973-DE-TOMASO-PANTERA-CUSTOM-COUPE-226586 > 8. https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1973-DE-TOMASO-PANTERA-GTS-223701 > 9. https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=173606¤t_index=1&total_results=66&tsauction_id=200&=&caryear=0&caryearto=0&search_text=de%20tomaso&page=featured&showpage=1 > 10. https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=173579¤t_index=5&total_results=66&tsauction_id=200&=&caryear=0&caryearto=0&search_text=de%20tomaso&page=featured&showpage=1 > 11. https://russoandsteele.com/vehicle-details/?show_vehicle=173256¤t_index=18&total_results=66&tsauction_id=200&=&caryear=0&caryearto=0&search_text=de%20tomaso&page=featured&showpage=1 > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From MikeLDrew at aol.com Sat Jan 5 15:19:01 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2019 12:19:01 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] window regulator question In-Reply-To: <1843594600.6659943.1546703756761@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1843594600.6659943.1546703756761.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1843594600.6659943.1546703756761@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9012415A-3D3D-495E-8B1C-C2AEE883597A@aol.com> Cliff, Wavy washer goes on short fat screw connecting regulator arm to arm that is on the window roller. It?s a lockwasher. Cheers! Mike Sent from my iPad > On Jan 5, 2019, at 07:55, Panteratime via DeTomaso wrote: > > Folks, > Detached the window regulator arm and have a question. Where does the > VERY thin, wavy, washer go? I recall maybe between the regulator arm > and the short bar that's attached to trolly with plastic wheels.? I > only took off the screw that connects these two "bars" and the screw > and washers that attaches the aluminum trolly trac to the top of the > door frame. So it goes in one of those 2 places! Thanks!! > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From mbefthomas at comcast.net Sat Jan 5 23:44:23 2019 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike & Elizabeth Thomas) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2019 20:44:23 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] It's Alive . . . ? Message-ID: <006901d4a57a$7f8717a0$7e9546e0$@comcast.net> I've received three messages on the forum today, first in over a week. Getting pretty quiet out there. Did somebody hit the moot button? Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest 206-795-3302 Yellow '74 #6328 www.panterasnorthwest.com -------------- next part -------------- I've received three messages on the forum today, first in over a week. Getting pretty quiet out there. Did somebody hit the moot button? Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest 206-795-3302 Yellow '74 #6328 [1]www.panterasnorthwest.com References 1. http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/ From mbefthomas at comcast.net Sat Jan 5 23:44:23 2019 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike & Elizabeth Thomas) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2019 20:44:23 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] It's Alive . . . ? Message-ID: <006901d4a57a$7f8717a0$7e9546e0$@comcast.net> I've received three messages on the forum today, first in over a week. Getting pretty quiet out there. Did somebody hit the moot button? Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest 206-795-3302 Yellow '74 #6328 www.panterasnorthwest.com -------------- next part -------------- I've received three messages on the forum today, first in over a week. Getting pretty quiet out there. Did somebody hit the moot button? Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest 206-795-3302 Yellow '74 #6328 [1]www.panterasnorthwest.com References 1. http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/ From Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov Sun Jan 6 00:16:41 2019 From: Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov (Himes, Terry (397C)) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2019 05:16:41 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] It's Alive . . . ? In-Reply-To: <006901d4a57a$7f8717a0$7e9546e0$@comcast.net> References: <006901d4a57a$7f8717a0$7e9546e0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Feeling lonely??? __ "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Juno Systems & Software Team TGO Sequence Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov ?? ?On 1/5/19, 8:44 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike & Elizabeth Thomas" wrote: I've received three messages on the forum today, first in over a week. Getting pretty quiet out there. Did somebody hit the moot button? Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest 206-795-3302 Yellow '74 #6328 www.panterasnorthwest.com From Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov Sun Jan 6 00:16:41 2019 From: Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov (Himes, Terry (397C)) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2019 05:16:41 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] It's Alive . . . ? In-Reply-To: <006901d4a57a$7f8717a0$7e9546e0$@comcast.net> References: <006901d4a57a$7f8717a0$7e9546e0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Feeling lonely??? __ "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Juno Systems & Software Team TGO Sequence Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov ?? ?On 1/5/19, 8:44 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike & Elizabeth Thomas" wrote: I've received three messages on the forum today, first in over a week. Getting pretty quiet out there. Did somebody hit the moot button? Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest 206-795-3302 Yellow '74 #6328 www.panterasnorthwest.com From richbhoppe at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 16:53:55 2019 From: richbhoppe at gmail.com (Rich Hoppe) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2019 14:53:55 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] headers Message-ID: I have a pair of headers for 2v heads is someone needs them. I need to purchase a new set for a 4v. Tri wye or big bore. What is the consensus? Thanks -------------- next part -------------- I have a pair of headers for 2v heads is someone needs them. I need to purchase a new set for a 4v. Tri wye or big bore. What is the consensus? Thanks From lplugw at hotmail.com Mon Jan 7 09:26:26 2019 From: lplugw at hotmail.com (Larry Weston) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2019 14:26:26 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] headers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Last experience with 2" GTS tri-wye pipe arrangement required serious gas tank heat shield movement for clearance. Hall Big Bores not so much, but they touched. ________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Rich Hoppe Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 4:53 PM To: detomaso at detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] headers I have a pair of headers for 2v heads is someone needs them. I need to purchase a new set for a 4v. Tri wye or big bore. What is the consensus? Thanks -------------- next part -------------- Last experience with 2" GTS tri-wye pipe arrangement required serious gas tank heat shield movement for clearance. Hall Big Bores not so much, but they touched. __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Rich Hoppe Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 4:53 PM To: detomaso at detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] headers I have a pair of headers for 2v heads is someone needs them. I need to purchase a new set for a 4v. Tri wye or big bore. What is the consensus? Thanks From cengles at cox.net Mon Jan 7 17:30:33 2019 From: cengles at cox.net (Charles Engles) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2019 16:30:33 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] headers Message-ID: <000001d4a6d8$9b815c40$d28414c0$@cox.net> Dear Rich, I don't know that there is a consensus. IIRC, the Euro GTS headers-exhaust were considered the best although they lost a reported 50 hp. The Hall Big Bores have a smallish collector and lose more hp. I am also aware of one cognoscente that finds the BB exhaust note unpleasant. Then....came the Wilkinson headers. Initially, they were reported to look good, sound good and have the lowest hp loss. For a while, they were the ticket. Then scattered reports of poor durability due to poor construction were filed on Pantera message boards. I have a '74 Pantera. The euro GTS headers hit the left engine mount on installation and were" fixed" in 1990 by the mechanic who installed them with a BFH. Years later I discovered that they *still* did not completely clear the engine mount. I also have a pair of Hall BB headers on the other 74 Pantera. The do not interfere with the engine mounts . Neither the GTS nor the HBB interfere with the gas tank shield. I suppose the easiest option is to buy a set of the euro GTS headers. The best and most expensive option would be to have a set of headers fabricated. Whatever manufactured headers you buy, CHECK the fitment carefully before the final exhaust gaskets and bolts are applied. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Larry Weston Sent: Monday, January 07, 2019 8:26 AM To: Rich Hoppe; detomaso at detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] headers Last experience with 2" GTS tri-wye pipe arrangement required serious gas tank heat shield movement for clearance. Hall Big Bores not so much, but they touched. ________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Rich Hoppe Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 4:53 PM To: detomaso at detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] headers I have a pair of headers for 2v heads is someone needs them. I need to purchase a new set for a 4v. Tri wye or big bore. What is the consensus? Thanks From MikeLDrew at aol.com Mon Jan 7 17:45:30 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2019 14:45:30 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] headers In-Reply-To: <000001d4a6d8$9b815c40$d28414c0$@cox.net> References: <000001d4a6d8$9b815c40$d28414c0$@cox.net> Message-ID: <9D7FFC90-1D7C-4BDF-9733-408D17F96461@aol.com> Chuck, The Mind Train headers have proven in dyno tests to be the best among the old-school solutions. They are now being made and marketed by PIM and are designed to bolt up to Euro GTS mufflers. I believe they fit quite well. Hedmann used to make Pantera headers in both 2v and 4v variety, and 20 years ago I was riding with Larry Stock when we stopped by their factory and he took their whole inventory. I don?t know if he is still selling those, or if he has had them run a new batch since then? I think that was the only option for true 2v headers. Rich?if that is what you have, they are valuable due to their rarity and quality. The GTS headers feature too-large primary pipes and too-small collectors. They give up a fair bit versus the other ones as a result. I have heard a handful of anecdotal stories of problems with Wilkinson?s system, but apart from the paint burning off, the ones on Lori?s car fit almost perfectly (one muffler is angled sideways a bit and the pipe could stand to be bent) and have had no longevity issues, after about 3000 miles (which admittedly isn?t all that much). Mike Sent from my iPad > On Jan 7, 2019, at 14:30, Charles Engles wrote: > > Dear Rich, > > I don't know that there is a consensus. IIRC, the Euro GTS > headers-exhaust were considered the best although they lost a reported 50 > hp. The Hall Big Bores have a smallish collector and lose more hp. I am > also aware of one cognoscente that finds the BB exhaust note unpleasant. > Then....came the Wilkinson headers. Initially, they were reported to look > good, sound good and have the lowest hp loss. For a while, they were the > ticket. Then scattered reports of poor durability due to poor construction > were filed on Pantera message boards. > > I have a '74 Pantera. The euro GTS headers hit the left > engine mount on installation and were" fixed" in 1990 by the mechanic who > installed them with a BFH. Years later I discovered that they *still* did > not completely clear the engine mount. I also have a pair of Hall BB > headers on the other 74 Pantera. The do not interfere with the engine > mounts . Neither the GTS nor the HBB interfere with the gas tank shield. > > I suppose the easiest option is to buy a set of the euro GTS > headers. The best and most expensive option would be to have a set of > headers fabricated. Whatever manufactured headers you buy, CHECK the > fitment carefully before the final exhaust gaskets and bolts are applied. > > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf > Of Larry Weston > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2019 8:26 AM > To: Rich Hoppe; detomaso at detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] headers > > Last experience with 2" GTS tri-wye pipe arrangement required serious gas > tank heat shield movement for clearance. Hall Big Bores not so much, but > they touched. > ________________________________ > From: DeTomaso on behalf of Rich > Hoppe > Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 4:53 PM > To: detomaso at detomasolist.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] headers > > I have a pair of headers for 2v heads is someone needs them. > > I need to purchase a new set for a 4v. > > Tri wye or big bore. > What is the consensus? > Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From julian_kift at hotmail.com Mon Jan 7 17:51:28 2019 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2019 22:51:28 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] headers In-Reply-To: <9D7FFC90-1D7C-4BDF-9733-408D17F96461@aol.com> References: <000001d4a6d8$9b815c40$d28414c0$@cox.net>, <9D7FFC90-1D7C-4BDF-9733-408D17F96461@aol.com> Message-ID: No mention of Pat Mical's headers, which I heard were some of the most unrestrictive. Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 2:45 PM To: Charles Engles Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com; Rich Hoppe Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] headers Chuck, The Mind Train headers have proven in dyno tests to be the best among the old-school solutions. They are now being made and marketed by PIM and are designed to bolt up to Euro GTS mufflers. I believe they fit quite well. Hedmann used to make Pantera headers in both 2v and 4v variety, and 20 years ago I was riding with Larry Stock when we stopped by their factory and he took their whole inventory. I don?t know if he is still selling those, or if he has had them run a new batch since then? I think that was the only option for true 2v headers. Rich?if that is what you have, they are valuable due to their rarity and quality. The GTS headers feature too-large primary pipes and too-small collectors. They give up a fair bit versus the other ones as a result. I have heard a handful of anecdotal stories of problems with Wilkinson?s system, but apart from the paint burning off, the ones on Lori?s car fit almost perfectly (one muffler is angled sideways a bit and the pipe could stand to be bent) and have had no longevity issues, after about 3000 miles (which admittedly isn?t all that much). Mike Sent from my iPad > On Jan 7, 2019, at 14:30, Charles Engles wrote: > > Dear Rich, > > I don't know that there is a consensus. IIRC, the Euro GTS > headers-exhaust were considered the best although they lost a reported 50 > hp. The Hall Big Bores have a smallish collector and lose more hp. I am > also aware of one cognoscente that finds the BB exhaust note unpleasant. > Then....came the Wilkinson headers. Initially, they were reported to look > good, sound good and have the lowest hp loss. For a while, they were the > ticket. Then scattered reports of poor durability due to poor construction > were filed on Pantera message boards. > > I have a '74 Pantera. The euro GTS headers hit the left > engine mount on installation and were" fixed" in 1990 by the mechanic who > installed them with a BFH. Years later I discovered that they *still* did > not completely clear the engine mount. I also have a pair of Hall BB > headers on the other 74 Pantera. The do not interfere with the engine > mounts . Neither the GTS nor the HBB interfere with the gas tank shield. > > I suppose the easiest option is to buy a set of the euro GTS > headers. The best and most expensive option would be to have a set of > headers fabricated. Whatever manufactured headers you buy, CHECK the > fitment carefully before the final exhaust gaskets and bolts are applied. > > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf > Of Larry Weston > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2019 8:26 AM > To: Rich Hoppe; detomaso at detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] headers > > Last experience with 2" GTS tri-wye pipe arrangement required serious gas > tank heat shield movement for clearance. Hall Big Bores not so much, but > they touched. > ________________________________ > From: DeTomaso on behalf of Rich > Hoppe > Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 4:53 PM > To: detomaso at detomasolist.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] headers > > I have a pair of headers for 2v heads is someone needs them. > > I need to purchase a new set for a 4v. > > Tri wye or big bore. > What is the consensus? > Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- No mention of Pat Mical's headers, which I heard were some of the most unrestrictive. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 2:45 PM To: Charles Engles Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com; Rich Hoppe Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] headers Chuck, The Mind Train headers have proven in dyno tests to be the best among the old-school solutions. They are now being made and marketed by PIM and are designed to bolt up to Euro GTS mufflers. I believe they fit quite well. Hedmann used to make Pantera headers in both 2v and 4v variety, and 20 years ago I was riding with Larry Stock when we stopped by their factory and he took their whole inventory. I don't know if he is still selling those, or if he has had them run a new batch since then? I think that was the only option for true 2v headers. Rich--if that is what you have, they are valuable due to their rarity and quality. The GTS headers feature too-large primary pipes and too-small collectors. They give up a fair bit versus the other ones as a result. I have heard a handful of anecdotal stories of problems with Wilkinson's system, but apart from the paint burning off, the ones on Lori's car fit almost perfectly (one muffler is angled sideways a bit and the pipe could stand to be bent) and have had no longevity issues, after about 3000 miles (which admittedly isn't all that much). Mike Sent from my iPad > On Jan 7, 2019, at 14:30, Charles Engles wrote: > > Dear Rich, > > I don't know that there is a consensus. IIRC, the Euro GTS > headers-exhaust were considered the best although they lost a reported 50 > hp. The Hall Big Bores have a smallish collector and lose more hp. I am > also aware of one cognoscente that finds the BB exhaust note unpleasant. > Then....came the Wilkinson headers. Initially, they were reported to look > good, sound good and have the lowest hp loss. For a while, they were the > ticket. Then scattered reports of poor durability due to poor construction > were filed on Pantera message boards. > > I have a '74 Pantera. The euro GTS headers hit the left > engine mount on installation and were" fixed" in 1990 by the mechanic who > installed them with a BFH. Years later I discovered that they *still* did > not completely clear the engine mount. I also have a pair of Hall BB > headers on the other 74 Pantera. The do not interfere with the engine > mounts . Neither the GTS nor the HBB interfere with the gas tank shield. > > I suppose the easiest option is to buy a set of the euro GTS > headers. The best and most expensive option would be to have a set of > headers fabricated. Whatever manufactured headers you buy, CHECK the > fitment carefully before the final exhaust gaskets and bolts are applied. > > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [[1]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf > Of Larry Weston > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2019 8:26 AM > To: Rich Hoppe; detomaso at detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] headers > > Last experience with 2" GTS tri-wye pipe arrangement required serious gas > tank heat shield movement for clearance. Hall Big Bores not so much, but > they touched. > ________________________________ > From: DeTomaso on behalf of Rich > Hoppe > Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 4:53 PM > To: detomaso at detomasolist.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] headers > > I have a pair of headers for 2v heads is someone needs them. > > I need to purchase a new set for a 4v. > > Tri wye or big bore. > What is the consensus? > Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From MikeLDrew at aol.com Mon Jan 7 18:02:02 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2019 15:02:02 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] headers In-Reply-To: References: <000001d4a6d8$9b815c40$d28414c0$@cox.net> <9D7FFC90-1D7C-4BDF-9733-408D17F96461@aol.com> Message-ID: <52C3F96F-D132-4B35-9C8F-A3ED0964EC67@aol.com> Pat does some seriously trick stuff, including custom systems using 3-inch oval pipe! I?m not aware of any objective comparison tests with other setups but I suspect that his stuff is terrific. Mike Sent from my iPad > On Jan 7, 2019, at 14:51, Julian Kift wrote: > > No mention of Pat Mical's headers, which I heard were some of the most unrestrictive. > > Julian > > From: DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso > Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 2:45 PM > To: Charles Engles > Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com; Rich Hoppe > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] headers > > Chuck, > > The Mind Train headers have proven in dyno tests to be the best among the old-school solutions. They are now being made and marketed by PIM and are designed to bolt up to Euro GTS mufflers. I believe they fit quite well. > > Hedmann used to make Pantera headers in both 2v and 4v variety, and 20 years ago I was riding with Larry Stock when we stopped by their factory and he took their whole inventory. I don?t know if he is still selling those, or if he has had them run a new batch since then? I think that was the only option for true 2v headers. Rich?if that is what you have, they are valuable due to their rarity and quality. > > The GTS headers feature too-large primary pipes and too-small collectors. They give up a fair bit versus the other ones as a result. > > I have heard a handful of anecdotal stories of problems with Wilkinson?s system, but apart from the paint burning off, the ones on Lori?s car fit almost perfectly (one muffler is angled sideways a bit and the pipe could stand to be bent) and have had no longevity issues, after about 3000 miles (which admittedly isn?t all that much). > > Mike > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Jan 7, 2019, at 14:30, Charles Engles wrote: > > > > Dear Rich, > > > > I don't know that there is a consensus. IIRC, the Euro GTS > > headers-exhaust were considered the best although they lost a reported 50 > > hp. The Hall Big Bores have a smallish collector and lose more hp. I am > > also aware of one cognoscente that finds the BB exhaust note unpleasant. > > Then....came the Wilkinson headers. Initially, they were reported to look > > good, sound good and have the lowest hp loss. For a while, they were the > > ticket. Then scattered reports of poor durability due to poor construction > > were filed on Pantera message boards. > > > > I have a '74 Pantera. The euro GTS headers hit the left > > engine mount on installation and were" fixed" in 1990 by the mechanic who > > installed them with a BFH. Years later I discovered that they *still* did > > not completely clear the engine mount. I also have a pair of Hall BB > > headers on the other 74 Pantera. The do not interfere with the engine > > mounts . Neither the GTS nor the HBB interfere with the gas tank shield. > > > > I suppose the easiest option is to buy a set of the euro GTS > > headers. The best and most expensive option would be to have a set of > > headers fabricated. Whatever manufactured headers you buy, CHECK the > > fitment carefully before the final exhaust gaskets and bolts are applied. > > > > > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf > > Of Larry Weston > > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2019 8:26 AM > > To: Rich Hoppe; detomaso at detomasolist.com > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] headers > > > > Last experience with 2" GTS tri-wye pipe arrangement required serious gas > > tank heat shield movement for clearance. Hall Big Bores not so much, but > > they touched. > > ________________________________ > > From: DeTomaso on behalf of Rich > > Hoppe > > Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 4:53 PM > > To: detomaso at detomasolist.com > > Subject: [DeTomaso] headers > > > > I have a pair of headers for 2v heads is someone needs them. > > > > I need to purchase a new set for a 4v. > > > > Tri wye or big bore. > > What is the consensus? > > Thanks > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Pat does some seriously trick stuff, including custom systems using 3-inch oval pipe! I'm not aware of any objective comparison tests with other setups but I suspect that his stuff is terrific. Mike Sent from my iPad On Jan 7, 2019, at 14:51, Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote: No mention of Pat Mical's headers, which I heard were some of the most unrestrictive. Julian _______________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 2:45 PM To: Charles Engles Cc: [4]detomaso at detomasolist.com; Rich Hoppe Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] headers Chuck, The Mind Train headers have proven in dyno tests to be the best among the old-school solutions. They are now being made and marketed by PIM and are designed to bolt up to Euro GTS mufflers. I believe they fit quite well. Hedmann used to make Pantera headers in both 2v and 4v variety, and 20 years ago I was riding with Larry Stock when we stopped by their factory and he took their whole inventory. I don't know if he is still selling those, or if he has had them run a new batch since then? I think that was the only option for true 2v headers. Rich--if that is what you have, they are valuable due to their rarity and quality. The GTS headers feature too-large primary pipes and too-small collectors. They give up a fair bit versus the other ones as a result. I have heard a handful of anecdotal stories of problems with Wilkinson's system, but apart from the paint burning off, the ones on Lori's car fit almost perfectly (one muffler is angled sideways a bit and the pipe could stand to be bent) and have had no longevity issues, after about 3000 miles (which admittedly isn't all that much). Mike Sent from my iPad > On Jan 7, 2019, at 14:30, Charles Engles <[5]cengles at cox.net> wrote: > > Dear Rich, > > I don't know that there is a consensus. IIRC, the Euro GTS > headers-exhaust were considered the best although they lost a reported 50 > hp. The Hall Big Bores have a smallish collector and lose more hp. I am > also aware of one cognoscente that finds the BB exhaust note unpleasant. > Then....came the Wilkinson headers. Initially, they were reported to look > good, sound good and have the lowest hp loss. For a while, they were the > ticket. Then scattered reports of poor durability due to poor construction > were filed on Pantera message boards. > > I have a '74 Pantera. The euro GTS headers hit the left > engine mount on installation and were" fixed" in 1990 by the mechanic who > installed them with a BFH. Years later I discovered that they *still* did > not completely clear the engine mount. I also have a pair of Hall BB > headers on the other 74 Pantera. The do not interfere with the engine > mounts . Neither the GTS nor the HBB interfere with the gas tank shield. > > I suppose the easiest option is to buy a set of the euro GTS > headers. The best and most expensive option would be to have a set of > headers fabricated. Whatever manufactured headers you buy, CHECK the > fitment carefully before the final exhaust gaskets and bolts are applied. > > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [[6]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf > Of Larry Weston > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2019 8:26 AM > To: Rich Hoppe; [7]detomaso at detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] headers > > Last experience with 2" GTS tri-wye pipe arrangement required serious gas > tank heat shield movement for clearance. Hall Big Bores not so much, but > they touched. > ________________________________ > From: DeTomaso <[8]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Rich > Hoppe <[9]richbhoppe at gmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 4:53 PM > To: [10]detomaso at detomasolist.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] headers > > I have a pair of headers for 2v heads is someone needs them. > > I need to purchase a new set for a 4v. > > Tri wye or big bore. > What is the consensus? > Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [11]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [12]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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References 1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 3. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 4. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com 5. mailto:cengles at cox.net 6. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 7. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com 8. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 9. mailto:richbhoppe at gmail.com 10. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com 11. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 12. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 13. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 14. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 19:05:35 2019 From: daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com (Daniel C Jones) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2019 18:05:35 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] headers In-Reply-To: <52C3F96F-D132-4B35-9C8F-A3ED0964EC67@aol.com> References: <000001d4a6d8$9b815c40$d28414c0$@cox.net> <9D7FFC90-1D7C-4BDF-9733-408D17F96461@aol.com> <52C3F96F-D132-4B35-9C8F-A3ED0964EC67@aol.com> Message-ID: > IIRC, the Euro GTS headers-exhaust were considered the best although they lost a reported 50 hp It was the ANSA muflers that lost the 50 HP (compared to both Magnaflow mufflers and open headers. Surprisingly, the GTS headers weren't too bad on peak power but gave up a bunch of peak torque (25 to 35 ft-lbs depending upon the engine combination) due to the short primary and collector lengths. That's compared to a conventional Mustang long tube 4-into-1 headers with 1 3/4" diameter primaries and 3" diameter collectors. > I need to purchase a new set for a 4v. Tri wye or big bore. The Euro GTS headers aren't really tri-y headers. They are just 4-into-1 headers with a short tri-y collector. They have primaries that are too big and a collector that is too small but, in our testing, performed a little better than the other 4-into-1 shorty headers we tested with (also too short) conventional collectors. Note that we did not test the Mind Train 4-into-1 headers. I'd stay away from the Hall big bore which had the worst collector. I believe a real 4-2-1 tri-y full length header would gain back that peak torque without sacrificing the peak power. I've got a design that looks like it will fit the Pantera chassis and something I think I can use to test the concept on the dyno but when I'll find the time to complete the project is unknown. > I have heard a handful of anecdotal stories of problems with Wilkinson?s system Those were the best of the off-the-shelf Pantera exhaust systems we tested due primarily to the mufflers working much better than the original ANSA units. Kelly Coffield's custom stepped 180s were probably the best Pantera exhaust we tested: http://www.the351cforum.com/download/file.php?id=145&sid=28f9f95e76a6e46cbf253c192d9c2e26&mode=view Note the small ID collector works on the 180s because no adjacent firing pulses are paired together in the same collector. The of-the-shelf Pantera 180s I've seen have had way to large of a collector. > I have a pair of headers for 2v heads is someone needs them. I've been slowly gathering 2V parts to test on the dyno. If no one snags them, I might have a use for them once the new dyno 390C is built. Dan Jones -------------- next part -------------- >A IIRC, the Euro GTS headers-exhaust were considered the best although they lost a reported 50 hp It was the ANSA muflers that lost the 50 HP (compared to both Magnaflow mufflers and open headers.A Surprisingly, the GTS headers weren't too bad on peak power but gave up a bunch of peak torque (25 to 35 ft-lbs depending upon the engine combination) due to the short primary and collector lengths.A That's compared to a conventional Mustang long tube 4-into-1 headers with 1 3/4" diameter primaries and 3" diameter collectors. > I need to purchase a new set for a 4v.A Tri wye or big bore. The Euro GTS headers aren't really tri-y headers.A They are just 4-into-1 headers with a short tri-y collector.A They have primaries that are too big and a collector that is too small but, in our testing, performed a little better than the other 4-into-1 shorty headers we tested with (also too short) conventional collectors.A Note that we did not test the Mind Train 4-into-1 headers.A I'd stay away from the Hall big bore which had the worst collector. I believe a real 4-2-1 tri-y full length header would gain back that peak torque without sacrificing the peak power.A I've got a design that looks like it will fit the Pantera chassis and something I think I can use to test the concept on the dyno but when I'llA find the time to complete the project is unknown. > I have heard a handful of anecdotal stories of problems with Wilkinsonas system Those were the best of the off-the-shelf Pantera exhaust systems we tested due primarily to the mufflers working much better than the original ANSA units.A Kelly Coffield's custom stepped 180s were probably the best Pantera exhaust we tested: A [1]http://www.the351cforum.com/download/file.php?id=145&sid=28f9f95e7 6a6e46cbf253c192d9c2e26&mode=view A Note the small ID collector works on the 180s because no adjacent firing pulses are paired together in the same collector.A The of-the-shelf Pantera 180s I've seen have had way to large of a collector. > I have a pair of headers for 2v heads is someone needs them. I've been slowly gathering 2V parts to test on the dyno.A If no one snags them, I might have a use for them once the new dyno 390C is built.A Dan Jones References 1. http://www.the351cforum.com/download/file.php?id=145&sid=28f9f95e76a6e46cbf253c192d9c2e26&mode=view From cengles at cox.net Mon Jan 7 19:14:43 2019 From: cengles at cox.net (Charles Engles) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2019 18:14:43 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] headers In-Reply-To: <52C3F96F-D132-4B35-9C8F-A3ED0964EC67@aol.com> References: <000001d4a6d8$9b815c40$d28414c0$@cox.net> <9D7FFC90-1D7C-4BDF-9733-408D17F96461@aol.com> <52C3F96F-D132-4B35-9C8F-A3ED0964EC67@aol.com> Message-ID: <001901d4a6e7$29ce0210$7d6a0630$@cox.net> Dear Mike and Julian, I did overlook the Mind Train headers. I also completely overlooked Pat?s headers. More choices, but whatever the choice, check the fitment carefully before the final installation. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles From: Mike Drew [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2019 5:02 PM To: Julian Kift Cc: Charles Engles; detomaso at detomasolist.com; Rich Hoppe Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] headers Pat does some seriously trick stuff, including custom systems using 3-inch oval pipe! I?m not aware of any objective comparison tests with other setups but I suspect that his stuff is terrific. Mike Sent from my iPad On Jan 7, 2019, at 14:51, Julian Kift wrote: No mention of Pat Mical's headers, which I heard were some of the most unrestrictive. Julian _____ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 2:45 PM To: Charles Engles Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com; Rich Hoppe Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] headers Chuck, The Mind Train headers have proven in dyno tests to be the best among the old-school solutions. They are now being made and marketed by PIM and are designed to bolt up to Euro GTS mufflers. I believe they fit quite well. Hedmann used to make Pantera headers in both 2v and 4v variety, and 20 years ago I was riding with Larry Stock when we stopped by their factory and he took their whole inventory. I don?t know if he is still selling those, or if he has had them run a new batch since then? I think that was the only option for true 2v headers. Rich?if that is what you have, they are valuable due to their rarity and quality. The GTS headers feature too-large primary pipes and too-small collectors. They give up a fair bit versus the other ones as a result. I have heard a handful of anecdotal stories of problems with Wilkinson?s system, but apart from the paint burning off, the ones on Lori?s car fit almost perfectly (one muffler is angled sideways a bit and the pipe could stand to be bent) and have had no longevity issues, after about 3000 miles (which admittedly isn?t all that much). Mike Sent from my iPad > On Jan 7, 2019, at 14:30, Charles Engles wrote: > > Dear Rich, > > I don't know that there is a consensus. IIRC, the Euro GTS > headers-exhaust were considered the best although they lost a reported 50 > hp. The Hall Big Bores have a smallish collector and lose more hp. I am > also aware of one cognoscente that finds the BB exhaust note unpleasant. > Then....came the Wilkinson headers. Initially, they were reported to look > good, sound good and have the lowest hp loss. For a while, they were the > ticket. Then scattered reports of poor durability due to poor construction > were filed on Pantera message boards. > > I have a '74 Pantera. The euro GTS headers hit the left > engine mount on installation and were" fixed" in 1990 by the mechanic who > installed them with a BFH. Years later I discovered that they *still* did > not completely clear the engine mount. I also have a pair of Hall BB > headers on the other 74 Pantera. The do not interfere with the engine > mounts . Neither the GTS nor the HBB interfere with the gas tank shield. > > I suppose the easiest option is to buy a set of the euro GTS > headers. The best and most expensive option would be to have a set of > headers fabricated. Whatever manufactured headers you buy, CHECK the > fitment carefully before the final exhaust gaskets and bolts are applied. > > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf > Of Larry Weston > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2019 8:26 AM > To: Rich Hoppe; detomaso at detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] headers > > Last experience with 2" GTS tri-wye pipe arrangement required serious gas > tank heat shield movement for clearance. Hall Big Bores not so much, but > they touched. > ________________________________ > From: DeTomaso on behalf of Rich > Hoppe > Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 4:53 PM > To: detomaso at detomasolist.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] headers > > I have a pair of headers for 2v heads is someone needs them. > > I need to purchase a new set for a 4v. > > Tri wye or big bore. > What is the consensus? > Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Dear Mike and Julian, I did overlook the Mind Train headers. I also completely overlooked Pat's headers. More choices, but whatever the choice, check the fitment carefully before the final installation. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles From: Mike Drew [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2019 5:02 PM To: Julian Kift Cc: Charles Engles; detomaso at detomasolist.com; Rich Hoppe Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] headers Pat does some seriously trick stuff, including custom systems using 3-inch oval pipe! I'm not aware of any objective comparison tests with other setups but I suspect that his stuff is terrific. Mike Sent from my iPad On Jan 7, 2019, at 14:51, Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote: No mention of Pat Mical's headers, which I heard were some of the most unrestrictive. Julian _____________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 2:45 PM To: Charles Engles Cc: [4]detomaso at detomasolist.com; Rich Hoppe Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] headers Chuck, The Mind Train headers have proven in dyno tests to be the best among the old-school solutions. They are now being made and marketed by PIM and are designed to bolt up to Euro GTS mufflers. I believe they fit quite well. Hedmann used to make Pantera headers in both 2v and 4v variety, and 20 years ago I was riding with Larry Stock when we stopped by their factory and he took their whole inventory. I don't know if he is still selling those, or if he has had them run a new batch since then? I think that was the only option for true 2v headers. Rich--if that is what you have, they are valuable due to their rarity and quality. The GTS headers feature too-large primary pipes and too-small collectors. They give up a fair bit versus the other ones as a result. I have heard a handful of anecdotal stories of problems with Wilkinson's system, but apart from the paint burning off, the ones on Lori's car fit almost perfectly (one muffler is angled sideways a bit and the pipe could stand to be bent) and have had no longevity issues, after about 3000 miles (which admittedly isn't all that much). Mike Sent from my iPad > On Jan 7, 2019, at 14:30, Charles Engles <[5]cengles at cox.net> wrote: > > Dear Rich, > > I don't know that there is a consensus. IIRC, the Euro GTS > headers-exhaust were considered the best although they lost a reported 50 > hp. The Hall Big Bores have a smallish collector and lose more hp. I am > also aware of one cognoscente that finds the BB exhaust note unpleasant. > Then....came the Wilkinson headers. Initially, they were reported to look > good, sound good and have the lowest hp loss. For a while, they were the > ticket. Then scattered reports of poor durability due to poor construction > were filed on Pantera message boards. > > I have a '74 Pantera. The euro GTS headers hit the left > engine mount on installation and were" fixed" in 1990 by the mechanic who > installed them with a BFH. Years later I discovered that they *still* did > not completely clear the engine mount. I also have a pair of Hall BB > headers on the other 74 Pantera. The do not interfere with the engine > mounts . Neither the GTS nor the HBB interfere with the gas tank shield. > > I suppose the easiest option is to buy a set of the euro GTS > headers. The best and most expensive option would be to have a set of > headers fabricated. Whatever manufactured headers you buy, CHECK the > fitment carefully before the final exhaust gaskets and bolts are applied. > > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [[6]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf > Of Larry Weston > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2019 8:26 AM > To: Rich Hoppe; [7]detomaso at detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] headers > > Last experience with 2" GTS tri-wye pipe arrangement required serious gas > tank heat shield movement for clearance. Hall Big Bores not so much, but > they touched. > ________________________________ > From: DeTomaso <[8]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Rich > Hoppe <[9]richbhoppe at gmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 4:53 PM > To: [10]detomaso at detomasolist.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] headers > > I have a pair of headers for 2v heads is someone needs them. > > I need to purchase a new set for a 4v. > > Tri wye or big bore. > What is the consensus? > Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [11]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [12]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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References 1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 3. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 4. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com 5. mailto:cengles at cox.net 6. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 7. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com 8. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 9. mailto:richbhoppe at gmail.com 10. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com 11. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 12. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 13. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 14. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From cengles at cox.net Mon Jan 7 19:29:11 2019 From: cengles at cox.net (Charles Engles) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2019 18:29:11 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] headers In-Reply-To: References: <000001d4a6d8$9b815c40$d28414c0$@cox.net> <9D7FFC90-1D7C-4BDF-9733-408D17F96461@aol.com> <52C3F96F-D132-4B35-9C8F-A3ED0964EC67@aol.com> Message-ID: <003201d4a6e9$31286a30$93793e90$@cox.net> Dear Dan, Thanks for the comprehensive factual review. You're building a 390 stroker as the dyno mule engine? No 351C mules? Warmest regards, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Daniel C Jones Sent: Monday, January 07, 2019 6:06 PM Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] headers > IIRC, the Euro GTS headers-exhaust were considered the best although they lost a reported 50 hp It was the ANSA muflers that lost the 50 HP (compared to both Magnaflow mufflers and open headers. Surprisingly, the GTS headers weren't too bad on peak power but gave up a bunch of peak torque (25 to 35 ft-lbs depending upon the engine combination) due to the short primary and collector lengths. That's compared to a conventional Mustang long tube 4-into-1 headers with 1 3/4" diameter primaries and 3" diameter collectors. > I need to purchase a new set for a 4v. Tri wye or big bore. The Euro GTS headers aren't really tri-y headers. They are just 4-into-1 headers with a short tri-y collector. They have primaries that are too big and a collector that is too small but, in our testing, performed a little better than the other 4-into-1 shorty headers we tested with (also too short) conventional collectors. Note that we did not test the Mind Train 4-into-1 headers. I'd stay away from the Hall big bore which had the worst collector. I believe a real 4-2-1 tri-y full length header would gain back that peak torque without sacrificing the peak power. I've got a design that looks like it will fit the Pantera chassis and something I think I can use to test the concept on the dyno but when I'll find the time to complete the project is unknown. > I have heard a handful of anecdotal stories of problems with > Wilkinson?s system Those were the best of the off-the-shelf Pantera exhaust systems we tested due primarily to the mufflers working much better than the original ANSA units. Kelly Coffield's custom stepped 180s were probably the best Pantera exhaust we tested: http://www.the351cforum.com/download/file.php?id=145&sid=28f9f95e76a6e46cbf253c192d9c2e26&mode=view Note the small ID collector works on the 180s because no adjacent firing pulses are paired together in the same collector. The of-the-shelf Pantera 180s I've seen have had way to large of a collector. > I have a pair of headers for 2v heads is someone needs them. I've been slowly gathering 2V parts to test on the dyno. If no one snags them, I might have a use for them once the new dyno 390C is built. Dan Jones From rfmccall at comcast.net Tue Jan 8 07:36:29 2019 From: rfmccall at comcast.net (FAITH MCCALL) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2019 07:36:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [DeTomaso] 180 deg headers In-Reply-To: <87502569.817271.1546902148123@connect.xfinity.com> References: <883295904.783854.1546866333483@connect.xfinity.com> <87502569.817271.1546902148123@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <525143761.234986.1546950989956@connect.xfinity.com> > > > > > > I am having a run of 180 deg headers made if anyone is interested in a set, I should be able to discount the standard price ($2895) slightly depending on how many sets are ordered. These would be produced in the next week or so and would be of the highest quality available. They are only offered in stainless steel with merge collectors and V-band flanges for muffler attachment. They will be TIG welded with gorgeous welds . They are easy to install and look/sound incredible. > > > > They are available for the standard 9.2" deck height , 9.5" deck height ,8.2" deck height and your choice of Windsor , Cleveland or Yates head . > > > > > > Please contact me via email ( rfmccall at comcast.net) if you are interested or would like to see pics. > > > > > > Thanks, > > Ron > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- I am having a run of 180 deg headers made if anyone is interested in a set, I should be able to discount the standard price ($2895) slightly depending on how many sets are ordered. These would be produced in the next week or so and would be of the highest quality available. They are only offered in stainless steel with merge collectors and V-band flanges for muffler attachment. They will be TIG welded with gorgeous welds . They are easy to install and look/sound incredible. They are available for the standard 9.2" deck height , 9.5" deck height ,8.2" deck height and your choice of Windsor , Cleveland or Yates head . Please contact me via email ( rfmccall at comcast.net) if you are interested or would like to see pics. Thanks, Ron From pantera_4220 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 8 09:08:45 2019 From: pantera_4220 at yahoo.com (Jim Wallace) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2019 14:08:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Fw: headers In-Reply-To: <1935466058.15714514.1546880963322@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1935466058.15714514.1546880963322@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1940666834.8006185.1546956525604@mail.yahoo.com> All....FYI from yesterday Jim ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Jim Wallace To: Rich Hoppe ; Patrick Mical Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] headers Rich, I have Pat Mical's headers and mid pipes.? I would suggest evaluating using his system. ??Performance Automotive Technology
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a(978) 649 2211 Specializing in automotive perfromance upgrades, CNC engine machining and blueprinting, classic car restoration ... Jim __________________________________________________________________ From: Rich Hoppe To: detomaso at detomasolist.com Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 4:54 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] headers I have a pair of headers for 2v heads is someone needs them. I need to purchase a new set for a 4v. Tri wye or big bore. What is the consensus? Thanks _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [2]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References Visible links 1. http://www.patsauto.com/ 2. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso Hidden links: 5. http://www.patsauto.com/ From cengles at cox.net Tue Jan 8 10:50:56 2019 From: cengles at cox.net (cengles at cox.net) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2019 15:50:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [DeTomaso] (DeTomaso) headers Message-ID: <1935eb5.12688.1682e28dbe3.Webtop.0@cox.net> Dear Jim, What is your own opinion of Pat Mical's headers/exhaust system? I suspect that you used a commonly available header/exhaust system before Pat's system. How would you compare the fitment, quality, performance and exhaust note? What is the price of Pat Mical's system? Curious, Chuck Engles From MikeLDrew at aol.com Tue Jan 8 10:52:52 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2019 07:52:52 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] 180 deg headers In-Reply-To: <525143761.234986.1546950989956@connect.xfinity.com> References: <883295904.783854.1546866333483@connect.xfinity.com> <87502569.817271.1546902148123@connect.xfinity.com> <525143761.234986.1546950989956@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: Ron, Can you give more details? I have seen photos of your headers and they look beautiful. The existing 180 competitors on the market all suffer from being built by well-intentioned people who don?t understand the fundamental differences between them and standard headers. The Windsor version uses a 3-inch collector and the Cleveland uses 3.5-inch! 180 headers need a much smaller collector than standard headers for peak power and torque. Dan Jones mentioned that yesterday. I can?t remember what he recommended but I think it might be more like 2-inch. So, tell us more about yours? Mike Sent from my iPad > On Jan 8, 2019, at 04:36, FAITH MCCALL wrote: > > I am having a run of 180 deg headers made if anyone is interested in > a set, I should be able to discount the standard price ($2895) > slightly depending on how many sets are ordered. These would be > produced in the next week or so and would be of the highest quality > available. They are only offered in stainless steel with merge > collectors and V-band flanges for muffler attachment. They will be > TIG welded with gorgeous welds . They are easy to install and > look/sound incredible. > > They are available for the standard 9.2" deck height , 9.5" deck > height ,8.2" deck height and your choice of Windsor , Cleveland or > Yates head . > > Please contact me via email ( rfmccall at comcast.net) if you are > interested or would like to see pics. > > Thanks, > Ron > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From pantera_4220 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 8 10:55:04 2019 From: pantera_4220 at yahoo.com (Jim Wallace) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2019 15:55:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Fw: headers In-Reply-To: References: <1935466058.15714514.1546880963322@mail.yahoo.com> <1940666834.8006185.1546956525604@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1873372632.8079551.1546962904628@mail.yahoo.com> Chuck, The system is excellent.? The fitment was as expected based on Pat's reputation...it fit perfectly.? ?Pat's header collector was 3 inch, the old one was 1.5 inch and offered by a long time vendor.? I also purchased the mid-pipes and modified the ANSA mufflers to take the larger pipes and gutted them which I detailed in a POCA Profile some years ago.? Before this modification, I had rebuilt my motor and was having issues getting past 5400 RPM, it fell flat.? I replaced my system with Pats and the motor easily rev'ed to 6000 RPM as needed. I am not sure what today's market price would bring.? I suggest that you touch base with Pat for either 4V, 2V, or other head configurations he offers. Jim?? From: Charles Engles To: Jim Wallace Cc: Detomaso Email List Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2019 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fw: headers Dear Jim, ? ? ? ? What is your own opinion of Pat Mical's headers/exhaust system?? I suspect that you used a commonly available header/exhaust system before Pat's system.? How would you compare the fitment, quality, performance and exhaust note?? ?What is the price of Pat Mical's system?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Curious,? Chuck Engles | | Virus-free. www.avg.com | On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 8:08 AM Jim Wallace via DeTomaso wrote: ? ?All....FYI from yesterday ? ?Jim ? ?----- Forwarded Message ----- ? ?From: Jim Wallace ? ?To: Rich Hoppe ; Patrick Mical ? ? ? ?Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 12:09 PM ? ?Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] headers ? ?Rich, ? ?I have Pat Mical's headers and mid pipes.? 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a(978) 649 2211 ? ?Specializing in automotive perfromance upgrades, CNC engine machining ? ?and blueprinting, classic car restoration ... ? ?Jim ? ? ?__________________________________________________________________ ? ?From: Rich Hoppe ? ?To: detomaso at detomasolist.com ? ?Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 4:54 PM ? ?Subject: [DeTomaso] headers ? ? ?I have a pair of headers for 2v heads is someone needs them. ? ? ?I need to purchase a new set for a 4v. ? ? ?Tri wye or big bore. ? ? ?What is the consensus? ? ? ?Thanks ? ?_______________________________________________ ? ?Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA ? ?Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes ? ?DeTomaso mailing list ? ?[2]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com ? ?[3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso ? ?To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) ? ?use the links above. ? ?Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any ? ?message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the ? ?list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive ? ?or approve the archiving of list messages. References ? ?Visible links ? ?1. http://www.patsauto.com/ ? ?2. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com ? ?3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso ? ?Hidden links: ? ?5. http://www.patsauto.com/ _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Chuck, The system is excellent. The fitment was as expected based on Pat's reputation...it fit perfectly. Pat's header collector was 3 inch, the old one was 1.5 inch and offered by a long time vendor. I also purchased the mid-pipes and modified the ANSA mufflers to take the larger pipes and gutted them which I detailed in a POCA Profile some years ago. Before this modification, I had rebuilt my motor and was having issues getting past 5400 RPM, it fell flat. I replaced my system with Pats and the motor easily rev'ed to 6000 RPM as needed. I am not sure what today's market price would bring. I suggest that you touch base with Pat for either 4V, 2V, or other head configurations he offers. Jim __________________________________________________________________ From: Charles Engles To: Jim Wallace Cc: Detomaso Email List Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2019 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fw: headers Dear Jim, What is your own opinion of Pat Mical's headers/exhaust system? I suspect that you used a commonly available header/exhaust system before Pat's system. How would you compare the fitment, quality, performance and exhaust note? What is the price of Pat Mical's system? Curious, Chuck Engles Virus-free. [1]www.avg.com On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 8:08 AM Jim Wallace via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: All....FYI from yesterday Jim ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Jim Wallace <[3]pantera_4220 at yahoo.com> To: Rich Hoppe <[4]richbhoppe at gmail.com>; Patrick Mical <[5]pmical at patsauto.com> Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] headers Rich, I have Pat Mical's headers and mid pipes. I would suggest evaluating using his system. [1]aaPerformance Automotive Technology
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a(978) 649 2211 Specializing in automotive perfromance upgrades, CNC engine machining and blueprinting, classic car restoration ... Jim __________________________________________________________________ From: Rich Hoppe <[6]richbhoppe at gmail.com> To: [7]detomaso at detomasolist.com Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 4:54 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] headers I have a pair of headers for 2v heads is someone needs them. I need to purchase a new set for a 4v. Tri wye or big bore. What is the consensus? Thanks _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [2][8]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [3][9]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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References Visible links 1. http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail 2. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 3. mailto:pantera_4220 at yahoo.com 4. mailto:richbhoppe at gmail.com 5. mailto:pmical at patsauto.com 6. mailto:richbhoppe at gmail.com 7. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com 8. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 9. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 10. http://www.patsauto.com/ 11. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 12. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 13. http://www.patsauto.com/ 14. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 15. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso Hidden links: 17. http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail 18. https://mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.src=ym&reason=myc&soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2 From daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 11:31:28 2019 From: daniel.c.jones2 at gmail.com (Daniel C Jones) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2019 10:31:28 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] headers In-Reply-To: <003201d4a6e9$31286a30$93793e90$@cox.net> References: <000001d4a6d8$9b815c40$d28414c0$@cox.net> <9D7FFC90-1D7C-4BDF-9733-408D17F96461@aol.com> <52C3F96F-D132-4B35-9C8F-A3ED0964EC67@aol.com> <003201d4a6e9$31286a30$93793e90$@cox.net> Message-ID: > You're building a 390 stroker as the dyno mule engine? No 351C mules? The 351C mule is in Gerry Romack's Pantera. I've got a spare standard bore 4 bolt main Cleveland short block plus a 3.85" stroke Scat crank. Plan is to build that to make a stroker Cleveland dyno mule. It would be 387 cubic inches, not 390 cubic inches as I previously typed. Come to think of it, I have another 0.030" 351C engine with TRW L2379F pistons that could be pressed into service on the dyno if I pull it out of the vehicle it's in. That would be better for comparing to the previous results. Hmmm. Dan Jones -------------- next part -------------- > You're building a 390 stroker as the dyno mule engine?A A No 351C mules? The 351C mule is in Gerry Romack's Pantera.A I've got a spare standard bore 4 bolt main Cleveland short block plus a 3.85" stroke Scat crank.A Plan is to build that to make a stroker Cleveland dyno mule.A It would be 387 cubic inches, not 390 cubic inches as I previously typed.A Come to think of it, I have another 0.030" 351C engine with TRW L2379F pistons that could be pressed into service on the dyno if I pull it out of the vehicle it's in.A That would be better for comparing to the previous results.A Hmmm. Dan Jones From grayjim at cox.net Tue Jan 8 14:32:39 2019 From: grayjim at cox.net (Jimmie Gray) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2019 14:32:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: [DeTomaso] headers In-Reply-To: <000001d4a6d8$9b815c40$d28414c0$@cox.net> References: <000001d4a6d8$9b815c40$d28414c0$@cox.net> Message-ID: <1082955838.927741.1546975959249@myemail.cox.net> I have the Hedman Hedders as originally sold by Lary Stock. No fitment issues experienced. Just my .02 Jim Gray > On January 7, 2019 at 5:30 PM Charles Engles wrote: > > > Dear Rich, > > I don't know that there is a consensus. IIRC, the Euro GTS > headers-exhaust were considered the best although they lost a reported 50 > hp. The Hall Big Bores have a smallish collector and lose more hp. I am > also aware of one cognoscente that finds the BB exhaust note unpleasant. > Then....came the Wilkinson headers. Initially, they were reported to look > good, sound good and have the lowest hp loss. For a while, they were the > ticket. Then scattered reports of poor durability due to poor construction > were filed on Pantera message boards. > > I have a '74 Pantera. The euro GTS headers hit the left > engine mount on installation and were" fixed" in 1990 by the mechanic who > installed them with a BFH. Years later I discovered that they *still* did > not completely clear the engine mount. I also have a pair of Hall BB > headers on the other 74 Pantera. The do not interfere with the engine > mounts . Neither the GTS nor the HBB interfere with the gas tank shield. > > I suppose the easiest option is to buy a set of the euro GTS > headers. The best and most expensive option would be to have a set of > headers fabricated. Whatever manufactured headers you buy, CHECK the > fitment carefully before the final exhaust gaskets and bolts are applied. > > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf > Of Larry Weston > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2019 8:26 AM > To: Rich Hoppe; detomaso at detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] headers > > Last experience with 2" GTS tri-wye pipe arrangement required serious gas > tank heat shield movement for clearance. Hall Big Bores not so much, but > they touched. > ________________________________ > From: DeTomaso on behalf of Rich > Hoppe > Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 4:53 PM > To: detomaso at detomasolist.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] headers > > I have a pair of headers for 2v heads is someone needs them. > > I need to purchase a new set for a 4v. > > Tri wye or big bore. > What is the consensus? > Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov Tue Jan 8 14:35:23 2019 From: Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov (Himes, Terry (397C)) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2019 19:35:23 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] headers In-Reply-To: <1082955838.927741.1546975959249@myemail.cox.net> References: <000001d4a6d8$9b815c40$d28414c0$@cox.net> <1082955838.927741.1546975959249@myemail.cox.net> Message-ID: <4628974C-3C76-4405-92A0-287AF4B1424A@jpl.nasa.gov> I have Big Bore's I bought from Hall in 2001. Still working, still sound GREAT and I love'em!! My $.000002. I'm also know in the neighborhood as "the guy with the loud car!" __ "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Juno Systems & Software Team TGO Sequence Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov ?? ?On 1/8/19, 11:32 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jimmie Gray" wrote: I have the Hedman Hedders as originally sold by Lary Stock. No fitment issues experienced. Just my .02 Jim Gray > On January 7, 2019 at 5:30 PM Charles Engles wrote: > > > Dear Rich, > > I don't know that there is a consensus. IIRC, the Euro GTS > headers-exhaust were considered the best although they lost a reported 50 > hp. The Hall Big Bores have a smallish collector and lose more hp. I am > also aware of one cognoscente that finds the BB exhaust note unpleasant. > Then....came the Wilkinson headers. Initially, they were reported to look > good, sound good and have the lowest hp loss. For a while, they were the > ticket. Then scattered reports of poor durability due to poor construction > were filed on Pantera message boards. > > I have a '74 Pantera. The euro GTS headers hit the left > engine mount on installation and were" fixed" in 1990 by the mechanic who > installed them with a BFH. Years later I discovered that they *still* did > not completely clear the engine mount. I also have a pair of Hall BB > headers on the other 74 Pantera. The do not interfere with the engine > mounts . Neither the GTS nor the HBB interfere with the gas tank shield. > > I suppose the easiest option is to buy a set of the euro GTS > headers. The best and most expensive option would be to have a set of > headers fabricated. Whatever manufactured headers you buy, CHECK the > fitment carefully before the final exhaust gaskets and bolts are applied. > > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf > Of Larry Weston > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2019 8:26 AM > To: Rich Hoppe; detomaso at detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] headers > > Last experience with 2" GTS tri-wye pipe arrangement required serious gas > tank heat shield movement for clearance. Hall Big Bores not so much, but > they touched. > ________________________________ > From: DeTomaso on behalf of Rich > Hoppe > Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 4:53 PM > To: detomaso at detomasolist.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] headers > > I have a pair of headers for 2v heads is someone needs them. > > I need to purchase a new set for a 4v. > > Tri wye or big bore. > What is the consensus? > Thanks > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From grayjim at cox.net Tue Jan 8 20:04:37 2019 From: grayjim at cox.net (Jimmie Gray) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2019 20:04:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [DeTomaso] headers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <275611964.954440.1546995877358@myemail.cox.net> This year at the POCA Rallye I saw the stainless exhaust that Dennis Quella is selling. Has anyone had any experience with those exhaust pieces. My experience tells that Dennis doesn't sell any junk. Just curious. Jim Gray > On January 6, 2019 at 4:53 PM Rich Hoppe wrote: > > > I have a pair of headers for 2v heads is someone needs them. > > I need to purchase a new set for a 4v. > > Tri wye or big bore. > What is the consensus? > Thanks > I have a pair of headers for 2v heads is someone needs them. > I need to purchase a new set for a 4v. > Tri wye or big bore. > What is the consensus? > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > -------------- next part -------------- This year at the POCA Rallye I saw the stainless exhaust that Dennis Quella is selling. Has anyone had any experience with those exhaust pieces. My experience tells that Dennis doesn't sell any junk. Just curious. Jim Gray On January 6, 2019 at 4:53 PM Rich Hoppe <[1]richbhoppe at gmail.com> wrote: I have a pair of headers for 2v heads is someone needs them. I need to purchase a new set for a 4v. Tri wye or big bore. What is the consensus? Thanks I have a pair of headers for 2v heads is someone needs them. I need to purchase a new set for a 4v. Tri wye or big bore. What is the consensus? Thanks _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [2]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:richbhoppe at gmail.com 2. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From gudmundfroiland at yahoo.no Wed Jan 9 01:51:11 2019 From: gudmundfroiland at yahoo.no (=?UTF-8?Q?gudmund_fr=C3=B8land?=) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2019 06:51:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] =?utf-8?q?Ang=C3=A5ende=3A_Re=3A__headers?= In-Reply-To: <000001d4a6d8$9b815c40$d28414c0$@cox.net> References: <000001d4a6d8$9b815c40$d28414c0$@cox.net> Message-ID: <851865600.24214652.1547016671611@mail.yahoo.com> I have Mindtrain headers on my 1974 GTS they fit perfekt? , Sendt fra Yahoo Mail p? Android Den man. 7. jan.. 2019 kl. 23.30 skrev Charles Engles: Dear Rich, ? ? ? ? ? ? ? I don't know that there is a consensus.? IIRC, the Euro GTS headers-exhaust were considered the best although they lost a reported 50 hp.? The Hall Big Bores have a smallish collector and lose more hp.? I am also aware of one cognoscente that finds the BB exhaust note unpleasant. Then....came the Wilkinson headers.? Initially, they were reported to look good, sound good and have the lowest hp loss.? For a while, they were the ticket.? Then scattered reports of poor durability due to poor construction were filed on Pantera message boards. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? I have a '74 Pantera.? The euro GTS headers hit the left engine mount on installation and were" fixed" in 1990 by the mechanic who installed them with a BFH.? Years later I discovered that they *still* did not completely clear the engine mount.? ? I also have a pair of Hall BB headers on the other 74 Pantera.? The do not interfere with the engine mounts .? Neither the GTS nor the HBB interfere with the gas tank shield. ? ? ? ? ? ? I suppose the easiest option is to buy a set of the euro GTS headers.? The best and most expensive option would be to have a set of headers fabricated.? Whatever manufactured headers you buy, CHECK the fitment carefully before the final exhaust gaskets and bolts are applied. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Warmest regards, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Larry Weston Sent: Monday, January 07, 2019 8:26 AM To: Rich Hoppe; detomaso at detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] headers Last experience with 2" GTS tri-wye pipe arrangement required serious gas tank heat shield movement for clearance. Hall Big Bores not so much, but they touched. ________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Rich Hoppe Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 4:53 PM To: detomaso at detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] headers I have a pair of headers for 2v heads is someone needs them. I need to purchase a new set for a 4v. Tri wye or big bore. What is the consensus? Thanks _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- I have Mindtrain headers on my 1974 GTS they fit perfekt , [1]Sendt fra Yahoo Mail pAYEN Android Den man. 7. jan.. 2019 kl. 23.30 skrev Charles Engles : Dear Rich, I don't know that there is a consensus. IIRC, the Euro GTS headers-exhaust were considered the best although they lost a reported 50 hp. The Hall Big Bores have a smallish collector and lose more hp. I am also aware of one cognoscente that finds the BB exhaust note unpleasant. Then....came the Wilkinson headers. Initially, they were reported to look good, sound good and have the lowest hp loss. For a while, they were the ticket. Then scattered reports of poor durability due to poor construction were filed on Pantera message boards. I have a '74 Pantera. The euro GTS headers hit the left engine mount on installation and were" fixed" in 1990 by the mechanic who installed them with a BFH. Years later I discovered that they *still* did not completely clear the engine mount. I also have a pair of Hall BB headers on the other 74 Pantera. The do not interfere with the engine mounts . Neither the GTS nor the HBB interfere with the gas tank shield. I suppose the easiest option is to buy a set of the euro GTS headers. The best and most expensive option would be to have a set of headers fabricated. Whatever manufactured headers you buy, CHECK the fitment carefully before the final exhaust gaskets and bolts are applied. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Larry Weston Sent: Monday, January 07, 2019 8:26 AM To: Rich Hoppe; [3]detomaso at detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] headers Last experience with 2" GTS tri-wye pipe arrangement required serious gas tank heat shield movement for clearance. Hall Big Bores not so much, but they touched. ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <[4]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Rich Hoppe <[5]richbhoppe at gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 4:53 PM To: [6]detomaso at detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] headers I have a pair of headers for 2v heads is someone needs them. I need to purchase a new set for a 4v. Tri wye or big bore. What is the consensus? Thanks _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [7]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [8]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 3. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com 4. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 5. mailto:richbhoppe at gmail.com 6. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com 7. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 8. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From rfmccall at comcast.net Wed Jan 9 06:44:45 2019 From: rfmccall at comcast.net (FAITH MCCALL) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2019 06:44:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: [DeTomaso] 180 deg headers In-Reply-To: References: <883295904.783854.1546866333483@connect.xfinity.com> <87502569.817271.1546902148123@connect.xfinity.com> <525143761.234986.1546950989956@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <1012966342.457315.1547034285079@connect.xfinity.com> Mike, The headers that I offer are built to order and can be had in most any configuration that the customer requires. The typical setup features stepped ( 1 3/4" to 1 7/8" ) primaries and a 3" merge collector. Most of the details can be tailored to exactly what is needed. Thanks, Ron > On January 8, 2019 at 10:52 AM Mike Drew wrote: > > > Ron, > > Can you give more details? I have seen photos of your headers and they look beautiful. > > The existing 180 competitors on the market all suffer from being built by well-intentioned people who don?t understand the fundamental differences between them and standard headers. The Windsor version uses a 3-inch collector and the Cleveland uses 3.5-inch! 180 headers need a much smaller collector than standard headers for peak power and torque. Dan Jones mentioned that yesterday. I can?t remember what he recommended but I think it might be more like 2-inch. > > So, tell us more about yours? > > Mike > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On Jan 8, 2019, at 04:36, FAITH MCCALL wrote: > > > > I am having a run of 180 deg headers made if anyone is interested in > > a set, I should be able to discount the standard price ($2895) > > slightly depending on how many sets are ordered. These would be > > produced in the next week or so and would be of the highest quality > > available. They are only offered in stainless steel with merge > > collectors and V-band flanges for muffler attachment. They will be > > TIG welded with gorgeous welds . They are easy to install and > > look/sound incredible. > > > > They are available for the standard 9.2" deck height , 9.5" deck > > height ,8.2" deck height and your choice of Windsor , Cleveland or > > Yates head . > > > > Please contact me via email ( rfmccall at comcast.net mailto:rfmccall at comcast.net ) if you are > > interested or would like to see pics. > > > > Thanks, > > Ron > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- Mike, The headers that I offer are built to order and can be had in most any configuration that the customer requires. The typical setup features stepped ( 1 3/4" to 1 7/8" ) primaries and a 3" merge collector. Most of the details can be tailored to exactly what is needed. Thanks, Ron On January 8, 2019 at 10:52 AM Mike Drew <[1]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote: Ron, Can you give more details? I have seen photos of your headers and they look beautiful. The existing 180 competitors on the market all suffer from being built by well-intentioned people who don't understand the fundamental differences between them and standard headers. The Windsor version uses a 3-inch collector and the Cleveland uses 3.5-inch! 180 headers need a much smaller collector than standard headers for peak power and torque. Dan Jones mentioned that yesterday. I can't remember what he recommended but I think it might be more like 2-inch. So, tell us more about yours? Mike Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2019, at 04:36, FAITH MCCALL <[2]rfmccall at comcast.net> wrote: I am having a run of 180 deg headers made if anyone is interested in a set, I should be able to discount the standard price ($2895) slightly depending on how many sets are ordered. These would be produced in the next week or so and would be of the highest quality available. They are only offered in stainless steel with merge collectors and V-band flanges for muffler attachment. They will be TIG welded with gorgeous welds . They are easy to install and look/sound incredible. They are available for the standard 9.2" deck height , 9.5" deck height ,8.2" deck height and your choice of Windsor , Cleveland or Yates head . Please contact me via email ( [3]rfmccall at comcast.net) if you are interested or would like to see pics. Thanks, Ron _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [4]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 2. mailto:rfmccall at comcast.net 3. mailto:rfmccall at comcast.net 4. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 5. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From julian_kift at hotmail.com Wed Jan 9 11:19:44 2019 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2019 16:19:44 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Ford GR-1 Concepot to be built by Superformance Message-ID: With all the media circus focus on the Wall, this little bit of news may have slipped through the cracks relatively unnoticed; Superformance has been granted rights to build the Ford GR-1 concept, which would be one of the first low volume cars to be built under the new 2015 law when it goes into effect. It all looked and sounded great right up to the point I read they have the original in hand for dimensions and will be scaling it up by 10% to provide more passenger room. https://www.foxnews.com/auto/the-ford-shelby-gr-1-concept-is-being-rebooted-as-a-production-car A footnote says that a company in Illinois has also been ranted license to reproduce and build new 1966-1997 Broncos. Julian -------------- next part -------------- With all the media circus focus on the Wall, this little bit of news may have slipped through the cracks relatively unnoticed; Superformance has been granted rights to build the Ford GR-1 concept, which would be one of the first low volume cars to be built under the new 2015 law when it goes into effect. It all looked and sounded great right up to the point I read they have the original in hand for dimensions and will be scaling it up by 10% to provide more passenger room. [1]https://www.foxnews.com/auto/the-ford-shelby-gr-1-concept-is-being-r ebooted-as-a-production-car A footnote says that a company in Illinois has also been ranted license to reproduce and build new 1966-1997 Broncos. Julian References 1. https://www.foxnews.com/auto/the-ford-shelby-gr-1-concept-is-being-rebooted-as-a-production-car From steve at snclocks.com Wed Jan 9 11:26:06 2019 From: steve at snclocks.com (Steve) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2019 08:26:06 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Ford GR-1 Concepot to be built by Superformance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006601d4a838$0623ee40$126bcac0$@snclocks.com> If there is one thing I really dislike about our Superformance Daytona Coupe - it's the fact that it is bigger than the originals. Sad they are also supersizing the GR-1. Maybe they should call it the GR Super Size instead of GR-1. Of course, will only mean they will sell more to super-sized Americano's. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Julian Kift Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 8:20 AM To: 'List DeTomaso Forum' Subject: [DeTomaso] Ford GR-1 Concepot to be built by Superformance With all the media circus focus on the Wall, this little bit of news may have slipped through the cracks relatively unnoticed; Superformance has been granted rights to build the Ford GR-1 concept, which would be one of the first low volume cars to be built under the new 2015 law when it goes into effect. It all looked and sounded great right up to the point I read they have the original in hand for dimensions and will be scaling it up by 10% to provide more passenger room. https://www.foxnews.com/auto/the-ford-shelby-gr-1-concept-is-being-rebooted- as-a-production-car A footnote says that a company in Illinois has also been ranted license to reproduce and build new 1966-1997 Broncos. Julian From timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 13:00:09 2019 From: timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com (timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2019 18:00:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Ford GR-1 Concepot to be built by Superformance In-Reply-To: <006601d4a838$0623ee40$126bcac0$@snclocks.com> References: <006601d4a838$0623ee40$126bcac0$@snclocks.com> Message-ID: <1203841303.8864386.1547056809192@mail.yahoo.com> All, We represent both Shelby Legendary Cars and Shelby American. This is the comment we provided the media after the news was....made.. "There hasbeen a great deal of interest in the GR1 ever since it was introduced byCarroll Shelby and the Ford Motor Company a few years ago. Many, many peoplehave hoped it would go into production. While the team appreciates allof the enthusiasm for the car, some of the comments made that night were a bitpremature. Everyone is very excited to move forward with it, but must wait forthe 2015?Low Volume Motor Vehicle Manufacturers Act?to be finalized.While the initiative has been moving forward lately, the government?s recentshutdown has idled any progress. Lance is exploring many optionsfor the powertrain and has indeed connected with Shelby American on theproject. However, until the government rules are finalized, it is too early toengineer any drivetrain. Once the project is finallygreenlighted, we will immediately dial you into its status. Until then,everyone is waiting for the opportunity to bring this incredible car to market." On Wednesday, January 9, 2019, 10:26:37 AM CST, Steve wrote: If there is one thing I really dislike about our Superformance Daytona Coupe - it's the fact that it is bigger than the originals.? Sad they are also supersizing the GR-1.? Maybe they should call it the GR Super Size instead of GR-1.? Of course, will only mean they will sell more to super-sized Americano's. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Julian Kift Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 8:20 AM To: 'List DeTomaso Forum' Subject: [DeTomaso] Ford GR-1 Concepot to be built by Superformance With all the media circus focus on the Wall, this little bit of news may have slipped through the cracks relatively unnoticed; Superformance has been granted rights to build the Ford GR-1 concept, which would be one of the first low volume cars to be built under the new 2015 law when it goes into effect. It all looked and sounded great right up to the point I read they have the original in hand for dimensions and will be scaling it up by 10% to provide more passenger room. https://www.foxnews.com/auto/the-ford-shelby-gr-1-concept-is-being-rebooted- as-a-production-car A footnote says that a company in Illinois has also been ranted license to reproduce and build new 1966-1997 Broncos. Julian _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- All, We represent both Shelby Legendary Cars and Shelby American. This is the comment we provided the media after the news was....made.. "There has been a great deal of interest in the GR1 ever since it was introduced by Carroll Shelby and the Ford Motor Company a few years ago. Many, many people have hoped it would go into production. While the team appreciates all of the enthusiasm for the car, some of the comments made that night were a bit premature. Everyone is very excited to move forward with it, but must wait for the 2015 Low Volume Motor Vehicle Manufacturers Act to be finalized. While the initiative has been moving forward lately, the governmentas recent shutdown has idled any progress. Lance is exploring many options for the powertrain and has indeed connected with Shelby American on the project. However, until the government rules are finalized, it is too early to engineer any drivetrain. Once the project is finally greenlighted, we will immediately dial you into its status. Until then, everyone is waiting for the opportunity to bring this incredible car to market." On Wednesday, January 9, 2019, 10:26:37 AM CST, Steve wrote: If there is one thing I really dislike about our Superformance Daytona Coupe - it's the fact that it is bigger than the originals. Sad they are also supersizing the GR-1. Maybe they should call it the GR Super Size instead of GR-1. Of course, will only mean they will sell more to super-sized Americano's. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Julian Kift Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 8:20 AM To: 'List DeTomaso Forum' <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Ford GR-1 Concepot to be built by Superformance With all the media circus focus on the Wall, this little bit of news may have slipped through the cracks relatively unnoticed; Superformance has been granted rights to build the Ford GR-1 concept, which would be one of the first low volume cars to be built under the new 2015 law when it goes into effect. It all looked and sounded great right up to the point I read they have the original in hand for dimensions and will be scaling it up by 10% to provide more passenger room. [3]https://www.foxnews.com/auto/the-ford-shelby-gr-1-concept-is-being-r ebooted- as-a-production-car A footnote says that a company in Illinois has also been ranted license to reproduce and build new 1966-1997 Broncos. Julian _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [4]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 2. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 3. https://www.foxnews.com/auto/the-ford-shelby-gr-1-concept-is-being-rebooted- 4. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 5. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From detomasoregistry at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 15:22:16 2019 From: detomasoregistry at gmail.com (The DeTomaso Registry Guy) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2019 12:22:16 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Burned Pantera 6417 Message-ID: Listers, I received the sad news this morning Chuck Hi Chuck, here are some new fotos from 6417 :( https://www.ebay.com/itm/303023363789?ul_noapp=true best regards J?rgen -------------- next part -------------- Listers, I received the sad news this morning... Chuck Hi Chuck, here are some new fotos from 6417 :( [1]https://www.ebay.com/itm/303023363789?ul_noapp=true best regards Juergen References 1. https://www.ebay.com/itm/303023363789?ul_noapp=true From pantera_4220 at yahoo.com Wed Jan 9 15:31:08 2019 From: pantera_4220 at yahoo.com (Jim Wallace) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2019 20:31:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Burned Pantera 6417 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1404756302.17178303.1547065868886@mail.yahoo.com> Chuck, Something seriously wrong with the P/S rear tire location as it relates to the rear fender........was the car stolen then torched? Jim From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy To: List DeTomaso Forum Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 3:22 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Burned Pantera 6417 ? Listers, ? I received the sad news this morning... ? Chuck ? Hi Chuck, ? here are some new fotos from 6417 :( ? [1]https://www.ebay.com/itm/303023363789?ul_noapp=true ? best regards ? 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Jim __________________________________________________________________ From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy To: List DeTomaso Forum Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 3:22 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Burned Pantera 6417 Listers, I received the sad news this morning... Chuck Hi Chuck, here are some new fotos from 6417 :( [1][1]https://www.ebay.com/itm/303023363789?ul_noapp=true best regards Juergen References 1. [2]https://www.ebay.com/itm/303023363789?ul_noapp=true _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [3]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. https://www.ebay.com/itm/303023363789?ul_noapp=true 2. https://www.ebay.com/itm/303023363789?ul_noapp=true 3. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 9 15:36:58 2019 From: marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net (marshall smith) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2019 20:36:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Burned Pantera 6417 References: <824749101.15777731.1547066218889.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <824749101.15777731.1547066218889@mail.yahoo.com> The right rear suspension has collapsed due to extreme rust. M -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/9/19, Jim Wallace via DeTomaso wrote: Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Burned Pantera 6417 To: "The DeTomaso Registry Guy" , "List DeTomaso Forum" Date: Wednesday, January 9, 2019, 12:31 PM ? Chuck, ? Something seriously wrong with the P/S rear tire location as it relates ? to the rear fender........was the car stolen then torched? ? Jim ? ? __________________________________________________________________ ? From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy ? To: List DeTomaso Forum ? Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 3:22 PM ? Subject: [DeTomaso] Burned Pantera 6417 ? ? Listers, ? ? I received the sad news this morning... ? ? Chuck ? ? Hi Chuck, ? ? here are some new fotos from 6417 :( ? ? [1][1]https://www.ebay.com/itm/303023363789?ul_noapp=true ? ? best regards ? ? Juergen ? References ? ? 1. [2]https://www.ebay.com/itm/303023363789?ul_noapp=true ? _______________________________________________ ? Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA ? Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes ? DeTomaso mailing list ? [3]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com ? [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso ? 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Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- From pantera01826 at rogers.com Wed Jan 9 15:38:56 2019 From: pantera01826 at rogers.com (MARK CHARLTON) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2019 15:38:56 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Burned Pantera 6417 In-Reply-To: <1404756302.17178303.1547065868886@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1404756302.17178303.1547065868886@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sad, but even sadder is that the bidding is near $10K and there?s still SIX days of auction left. Other than a clean title, what is someone buying other than a severely rusted, banged-up (see ProvaMo) and burned disaster? Mark Charlton pantera01826 at rogers.com > On Jan 9, 2019, at 3:31 PM, Jim Wallace via DeTomaso wrote: > > Chuck, > Something seriously wrong with the P/S rear tire location as it relates > to the rear fender........was the car stolen then torched? > Jim > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy > To: List DeTomaso Forum > Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 3:22 PM > Subject: [DeTomaso] Burned Pantera 6417 > Listers, > I received the sad news this morning... > Chuck > Hi Chuck, > here are some new fotos from 6417 :( > [1][1]https://www.ebay.com/itm/303023363789?ul_noapp=true > best regards > Juergen > References > 1. 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From julian_kift at hotmail.com Wed Jan 9 15:41:11 2019 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2019 20:41:11 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Burned Pantera 6417 In-Reply-To: <824749101.15777731.1547066218889@mail.yahoo.com> References: <824749101.15777731.1547066218889.ref@mail.yahoo.com>, <824749101.15777731.1547066218889@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, this was a barn find rust bucket before any fire, pre-fire pictures in the registry. ________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of marshall smith Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 12:36 PM To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy; List DeTomaso Forum; Jim Wallace Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Burned Pantera 6417 The right rear suspension has collapsed due to extreme rust. M -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/9/19, Jim Wallace via DeTomaso wrote: Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Burned Pantera 6417 To: "The DeTomaso Registry Guy" , "List DeTomaso Forum" Date: Wednesday, January 9, 2019, 12:31 PM Chuck, Something seriously wrong with the P/S rear tire location as it relates to the rear fender........was the car stolen then torched? Jim __________________________________________________________________ From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy To: List DeTomaso Forum Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 3:22 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Burned Pantera 6417 Listers, I received the sad news this morning... Chuck Hi Chuck, here are some new fotos from 6417 :( [1][1]https://www.ebay.com/itm/303023363789?ul_noapp=true best regards Juergen References 1. [2]https://www.ebay.com/itm/303023363789?ul_noapp=true _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [3]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 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Jim __________________________________________________________________ From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy To: List DeTomaso Forum Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 3:22 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Burned Pantera 6417 Listers, I received the sad news this morning... Chuck Hi Chuck, here are some new fotos from 6417 :( [1][1]https://www.ebay.com/itm/303023363789?ul_noapp=true best regards Juergen References 1. [2]https://www.ebay.com/itm/303023363789?ul_noapp=true _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [3]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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References 1. https://www.ebay.com/itm/303023363789?ul_noapp=true 2. https://www.ebay.com/itm/303023363789?ul_noapp=true 3. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 5. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From MikeLDrew at aol.com Wed Jan 9 15:59:43 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2019 12:59:43 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Burned Pantera 6417 In-Reply-To: References: <824749101.15777731.1547066218889.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <824749101.15777731.1547066218889@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7D1CAFB9-0767-4840-81F8-70C8BAD5D316@aol.com> Hmm, smells like an insurance torch job to me? Mike Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 9, 2019, at 12:41, Julian Kift wrote: > > Yes, this was a barn find rust bucket before any fire, pre-fire > pictures in the registry. > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: DeTomaso on behalf of > marshall smith > Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 12:36 PM > To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy; List DeTomaso Forum; Jim Wallace > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Burned Pantera 6417 > > The right rear suspension has collapsed due to extreme rust. > M > -------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 1/9/19, Jim Wallace via DeTomaso > wrote: > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Burned Pantera 6417 > To: "The DeTomaso Registry Guy" , "List > DeTomaso Forum" > Date: Wednesday, January 9, 2019, 12:31 PM > > Chuck, > > Something seriously wrong with the P/S rear tire location as > it relates > to the rear fender........was > the car stolen then torched? > Jim > > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: The DeTomaso > Registry Guy > To: List DeTomaso Forum > Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 3:22 PM > Subject: [DeTomaso] Burned Pantera 6417 > Listers, > I > received the sad news this morning... > > Chuck > Hi Chuck, > > here are some new fotos from 6417 :( > > [1][1]https://www.ebay.com/itm/303023363789?ul_noapp=true > best regards > > Juergen > References > > 1. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov Wed Jan 9 16:35:10 2019 From: Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov (Himes, Terry (397C)) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2019 21:35:10 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Burned Pantera 6417 In-Reply-To: <7D1CAFB9-0767-4840-81F8-70C8BAD5D316@aol.com> References: <824749101.15777731.1547066218889.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <824749101.15777731.1547066218889@mail.yahoo.com> <7D1CAFB9-0767-4840-81F8-70C8BAD5D316@aol.com> Message-ID: <20B4E7DA-63E0-4E76-9DE5-5DDDEDAF75F2@jpl.nasa.gov> Oh yeah! In NJ we called it something else. HaHa __ "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Juno Systems & Software Team TGO Sequence Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov ?? ?On 1/9/19, 1:25 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso" wrote: Hmm, smells like an insurance torch job to me? Mike Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 9, 2019, at 12:41, Julian Kift wrote: > > Yes, this was a barn find rust bucket before any fire, pre-fire > pictures in the registry. > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: DeTomaso on behalf of > marshall smith > Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 12:36 PM > To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy; List DeTomaso Forum; Jim Wallace > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Burned Pantera 6417 > > The right rear suspension has collapsed due to extreme rust. > M > -------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 1/9/19, Jim Wallace via DeTomaso > wrote: > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Burned Pantera 6417 > To: "The DeTomaso Registry Guy" , "List > DeTomaso Forum" > Date: Wednesday, January 9, 2019, 12:31 PM > > Chuck, > > Something seriously wrong with the P/S rear tire location as > it relates > to the rear fender........was > the car stolen then torched? > Jim > > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: The DeTomaso > Registry Guy > To: List DeTomaso Forum > Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 3:22 PM > Subject: [DeTomaso] Burned Pantera 6417 > Listers, > I > received the sad news this morning... > > Chuck > Hi Chuck, > > here are some new fotos from 6417 :( > > [1][1]https://www.ebay.com/itm/303023363789?ul_noapp=true > best regards > > Juergen > References > > 1. 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From julian_kift at hotmail.com Wed Jan 9 16:46:15 2019 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2019 21:46:15 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Burned Pantera 6417 In-Reply-To: <7D1CAFB9-0767-4840-81F8-70C8BAD5D316@aol.com> References: <824749101.15777731.1547066218889.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <824749101.15777731.1547066218889@mail.yahoo.com> , <7D1CAFB9-0767-4840-81F8-70C8BAD5D316@aol.com> Message-ID: My initial thoughts, but it is listed as having a clean KS title, which presumably it wouldn't have it if it were an insurance loss. It kinda looks like someone tried to hook up a battery, the one cable looks melted the other cut. Julian ________________________________ From: Mike Drew Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 12:59 PM To: Julian Kift Cc: The DeTomaso Registry Guy; List DeTomaso Forum; Jim Wallace; marshall smith Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Burned Pantera 6417 Hmm, smells like an insurance torch job to me? Mike Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 9, 2019, at 12:41, Julian Kift wrote: > > Yes, this was a barn find rust bucket before any fire, pre-fire > pictures in the registry. > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: DeTomaso on behalf of > marshall smith > Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 12:36 PM > To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy; List DeTomaso Forum; Jim Wallace > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Burned Pantera 6417 > > The right rear suspension has collapsed due to extreme rust. > M > -------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 1/9/19, Jim Wallace via DeTomaso > wrote: > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Burned Pantera 6417 > To: "The DeTomaso Registry Guy" , "List > DeTomaso Forum" > Date: Wednesday, January 9, 2019, 12:31 PM > > Chuck, > > Something seriously wrong with the P/S rear tire location as > it relates > to the rear fender........was > the car stolen then torched? > Jim > > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: The DeTomaso > Registry Guy > To: List DeTomaso Forum > Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 3:22 PM > Subject: [DeTomaso] Burned Pantera 6417 > Listers, > I > received the sad news this morning... > > Chuck > Hi Chuck, > > here are some new fotos from 6417 :( > > [1][1]https://www.ebay.com/itm/303023363789?ul_noapp=true > best regards > > Juergen > References > > 1. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- My initial thoughts, but it is listed as having a clean KS title, which presumably it wouldn't have it if it were an insurance loss. It kinda looks like someone tried to hook up a battery, the one cable looks melted the other cut. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: Mike Drew Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 12:59 PM To: Julian Kift Cc: The DeTomaso Registry Guy; List DeTomaso Forum; Jim Wallace; marshall smith Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Burned Pantera 6417 Hmm, smells like an insurance torch job to me? Mike Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 9, 2019, at 12:41, Julian Kift wrote: > > Yes, this was a barn find rust bucket before any fire, pre-fire > pictures in the registry. > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: DeTomaso on behalf of > marshall smith > Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 12:36 PM > To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy; List DeTomaso Forum; Jim Wallace > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Burned Pantera 6417 > > The right rear suspension has collapsed due to extreme rust. > M > -------------------------------------------- > On Wed, 1/9/19, Jim Wallace via DeTomaso > wrote: > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Burned Pantera 6417 > To: "The DeTomaso Registry Guy" , "List > DeTomaso Forum" > Date: Wednesday, January 9, 2019, 12:31 PM > > Chuck, > > Something seriously wrong with the P/S rear tire location as > it relates > to the rear fender........was > the car stolen then torched? > Jim > > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: The DeTomaso > Registry Guy > To: List DeTomaso Forum > Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 3:22 PM > Subject: [DeTomaso] Burned Pantera 6417 > Listers, > I > received the sad news this morning... > > Chuck > Hi Chuck, > > here are some new fotos from 6417 :( > > [1][1]https://www.ebay.com/itm/303023363789?ul_noapp=true > best regards > > Juergen > References > > 1. 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[4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > 5. [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > 6. [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [7]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. https://www.ebay.com/itm/303023363789?ul_noapp=true 2. https://www.ebay.com/itm/303023363789?ul_noapp=true 3. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 5. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 7. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From tipo874a at msn.com Wed Jan 9 17:10:36 2019 From: tipo874a at msn.com (L GRAY) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2019 22:10:36 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Burned Pantera 6417 In-Reply-To: References: <824749101.15777731.1547066218889.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <824749101.15777731.1547066218889@mail.yahoo.com> , <7D1CAFB9-0767-4840-81F8-70C8BAD5D316@aol.com>, Message-ID: I?ve dealt with several Panteras that had caught fire from a dead electrical short under the dash. It usually, but not always, started with a bad amp meter shorting out to ground which then takes out and burns all of the ground wiring in the harness from the gauges, to the small ground under the dash on the driver side, across the entire harness ground wires, fusing them to further feed short circuit parties, then takes out the harness through the rocker (right side) back to the alternator that burns to the ground (pun intended) which then sets the carb and fuel on fire and so on, and on. If no one was in the car when the initial short occurred, this is the burn pattern I?ve seen several times. I?ve had two owners who were driving their cars when the amp meter short occurred. Due to their quick thinking the we?re able to get pulled over, get the front trunk open to get to the battery and rip the cables off to at least stop the short. They then exhausted their fire extinguisher(s) to put out the actual flames before the whole car went up. Been here many times to rule out the fatal short scenario. Just my nickel?s worth of personal experience. A VERY expensive disaster !!! Best regards, Leslie A. Gray > On Jan 9, 2019, at 1:46 PM, Julian Kift wrote: > > My initial thoughts, but it is listed as having a clean KS title, which > presumably it wouldn't have it if it were an insurance loss. It kinda > looks like someone tried to hook up a battery, the one cable looks > melted the other cut. > > Julian > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: Mike Drew > Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 12:59 PM > To: Julian Kift > Cc: The DeTomaso Registry Guy; List DeTomaso Forum; Jim Wallace; > marshall smith > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Burned Pantera 6417 > > Hmm, smells like an insurance torch job to me? > Mike > Sent from my iPhone >> On Jan 9, 2019, at 12:41, Julian Kift > wrote: >> >> Yes, this was a barn find rust bucket before any fire, pre-fire >> pictures in the registry. >> > __________________________________________________________________ >> >> From: DeTomaso on behalf > of >> marshall smith >> Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 12:36 PM >> To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy; List DeTomaso Forum; Jim Wallace >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Burned Pantera 6417 >> >> The right rear suspension has collapsed due to extreme rust. >> M >> -------------------------------------------- >> On Wed, 1/9/19, Jim Wallace via DeTomaso >> wrote: >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Burned Pantera 6417 >> To: "The DeTomaso Registry Guy" , > "List >> DeTomaso Forum" >> Date: Wednesday, January 9, 2019, 12:31 PM >> >> Chuck, >> >> Something seriously wrong with the P/S rear tire location as >> it relates >> to the rear fender........was >> the car stolen then torched? >> Jim >> >> __________________________________________________________________ >> >> From: The DeTomaso >> Registry Guy >> To: List DeTomaso Forum >> Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 3:22 PM >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Burned Pantera 6417 >> Listers, >> I >> received the sad news this morning... >> >> Chuck >> Hi Chuck, >> >> here are some new fotos from 6417 :( >> >> [1][1]https://www.ebay.com/itm/303023363789?ul_noapp=true >> best regards >> >> Juergen >> References >> >> 1. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From MikeLDrew at aol.com Wed Jan 9 21:04:59 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2019 18:04:59 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Burned Pantera 6417 In-Reply-To: References: <1404756302.17178303.1547065868886@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D0B6054-0168-494E-9245-C0DDA716992B@aol.com> Wow. When good cars happen to bad people....this car was used and abused long before it burned up. People should be shot. Mike Sent from my iPad > On Jan 9, 2019, at 12:38, MARK CHARLTON wrote: > > Sad, but even sadder is that the bidding is near $10K and there?s still SIX days of auction left. > > Other than a clean title, what is someone buying other than a severely rusted, banged-up (see ProvaMo) and burned disaster? > > Mark Charlton > pantera01826 at rogers.com > > > >> On Jan 9, 2019, at 3:31 PM, Jim Wallace via DeTomaso wrote: >> >> Chuck, >> Something seriously wrong with the P/S rear tire location as it relates >> to the rear fender........was the car stolen then torched? >> Jim >> __________________________________________________________________ >> >> From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy >> To: List DeTomaso Forum >> Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 3:22 PM >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Burned Pantera 6417 >> Listers, >> I received the sad news this morning... >> Chuck >> Hi Chuck, >> here are some new fotos from 6417 :( >> [1][1]https://www.ebay.com/itm/303023363789?ul_noapp=true >> best regards >> Juergen >> References >> 1. 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From fresnofinches at aol.com Thu Jan 10 20:31:33 2019 From: fresnofinches at aol.com (Larry Finch) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 17:31:33 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] =?utf-8?q?Gerry=E2=80=99s_HVAC_plenum_dimensions=3F?= Message-ID: All, Gerry Romack designed an upgrade for the heater box that added a plenum to the fan discharge improving efficiency of the coils. Somewhere I saw published dimensions for that plenum but of course now I cannot find them. Can someone better organized then me provide them? Thanks, Larry -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image1.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 146877 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. From cuvee at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 10 20:32:07 2019 From: cuvee at sbcglobal.net (Curt Hall) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 01:32:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Test Slow Day References: <1625581605.16679658.1547170327267.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1625581605.16679658.1547170327267@mail.yahoo.com> Test or just a Slow day? -------------- next part -------------- Test or just a Slow day? From fresnofinches at aol.com Thu Jan 10 20:41:17 2019 From: fresnofinches at aol.com (Larry Finch) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 17:41:17 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Plenum dimensions FOUND Message-ID: <37BC27EE-79DA-47B4-99BE-A2E40E61F401@aol.com> August 2018 newsletter -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image2.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 773977 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. From julian_kift at hotmail.com Thu Jan 10 21:01:24 2019 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 02:01:24 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Test Slow Day In-Reply-To: <1625581605.16679658.1547170327267@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1625581605.16679658.1547170327267.ref@mail.yahoo.com>, <1625581605.16679658.1547170327267@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I am sure our JPL friend Terry would be willing to attest and prove that every day is of the same speed ?, so therein your post must be a test! Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Curt Hall Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:32 PM To: Detomaso Email List Subject: [DeTomaso] Test Slow Day Test or just a Slow day? -------------- next part -------------- I am sure our JPL friend Terry would be willing to attest and prove that every day is of the same speed , so therein your post must be a test! Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Curt Hall Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:32 PM To: Detomaso Email List Subject: [DeTomaso] Test Slow Day Test or just a Slow day? From cuvee at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 10 22:19:42 2019 From: cuvee at sbcglobal.net (Curt Hall) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 03:19:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Test Slow Day In-Reply-To: References: <1625581605.16679658.1547170327267.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1625581605.16679658.1547170327267@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <332940921.16740475.1547176782454@mail.yahoo.com> LOL...Yep! My email has been down since before Thanksgiving! Thanks AT&T! Just got back online yesterday! So just checking to make sure I'm getting the List! Curt? On Thursday, January 10, 2019, 6:01:27 PM PST, Julian Kift wrote: #yiv9693722963 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}I am sure our JPL friend Terry would be willing to attest and prove that every day is of the same speed?, so therein your post must be a test! JulianFrom: DeTomaso on behalf of Curt Hall Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:32 PM To: Detomaso Email List Subject: [DeTomaso] Test Slow Day?Test or just a Slow day? -------------- next part -------------- LOL...Yep! My email has been down since before Thanksgiving! Thanks AT&T! Just got back online yesterday! So just checking to make sure I'm getting the List! Curt On Thursday, January 10, 2019, 6:01:27 PM PST, Julian Kift wrote: I am sure our JPL friend Terry would be willing to attest and prove that every day is of the same speed d-, so therein your post must be a test! Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Curt Hall Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:32 PM To: Detomaso Email List Subject: [DeTomaso] Test Slow Day Test or just a Slow day? From mbefthomas at comcast.net Fri Jan 11 00:04:52 2019 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike & Elizabeth Thomas) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 21:04:52 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Test Slow Day In-Reply-To: <1625581605.16679658.1547170327267@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1625581605.16679658.1547170327267.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1625581605.16679658.1547170327267@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <014f01d4a96b$303dfa70$90b9ef50$@comcast.net> Slow days . . . -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso On Behalf Of Curt Hall Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:32 PM To: Detomaso Email List Subject: [DeTomaso] Test Slow Day Test or just a Slow day? From asajay at asajay.com Fri Jan 11 00:11:56 2019 From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 21:11:56 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Test Slow Day In-Reply-To: <014f01d4a96b$303dfa70$90b9ef50$@comcast.net> References: <1625581605.16679658.1547170327267.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1625581605.16679658.1547170327267@mail.yahoo.com> <014f01d4a96b$303dfa70$90b9ef50$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <47807c2a-bcad-5ad2-03d2-fd85ad669dd8@asajay.com> Goodness... just how slow? -is- this day anyway? PS. for those who aren't on the POCA forum, it appears Kent Snyder is selling his fabulous Orange, original owner Pantera.? And it looks to be a very gracious price.? If the car is still in the shape Kent and Sandi always kept it, it's a deal NOT to pass up.?? I have no other info. Asa? Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired Spokane County ARES-RACES Net Manager ****************************** http://w7tsc.org http://www.teampanteraracing.com On 1/10/2019 21:04, Mike & Elizabeth Thomas wrote: > Slow days . . . > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso On Behalf Of Curt Hall > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:32 PM > To: Detomaso Email List > Subject: [DeTomaso] Test Slow Day > > Test or just a Slow day? > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > From Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov Fri Jan 11 11:04:30 2019 From: Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov (Himes, Terry (397C)) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 16:04:30 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Test Slow Day In-Reply-To: <47807c2a-bcad-5ad2-03d2-fd85ad669dd8@asajay.com> References: <1625581605.16679658.1547170327267.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1625581605.16679658.1547170327267@mail.yahoo.com> <014f01d4a96b$303dfa70$90b9ef50$@comcast.net> <47807c2a-bcad-5ad2-03d2-fd85ad669dd8@asajay.com> Message-ID: <88E3D514-D940-423D-8E4F-7B755822E9B1@jpl.nasa.gov> Asa (et al), I think, as we all are getting older, there might be more & more beautiful Panteras up for sale in the next few years. Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Juno Systems & Software Team TGO Sequence Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov ?? ?On 1/10/19, 9:12 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Asa Jay Laughton" wrote: Goodness... just how slow -is- this day anyway? PS. for those who aren't on the POCA forum, it appears Kent Snyder is selling his fabulous Orange, original owner Pantera. And it looks to be a very gracious price. If the car is still in the shape Kent and Sandi always kept it, it's a deal NOT to pass up. I have no other info. Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired Spokane County ARES-RACES Net Manager ****************************** http://w7tsc.org http://www.teampanteraracing.com On 1/10/2019 21:04, Mike & Elizabeth Thomas wrote: > Slow days . . . > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso On Behalf Of Curt Hall > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:32 PM > To: Detomaso Email List > Subject: [DeTomaso] Test Slow Day > > Test or just a Slow day? > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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From Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov Fri Jan 11 11:13:11 2019 From: Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov (Himes, Terry (397C)) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 16:13:11 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Test Slow Day In-Reply-To: References: <1625581605.16679658.1547170327267.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1625581605.16679658.1547170327267@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Well... that depends on whether you are using the earth's rotation (days) or looking at your Atomic watch. We did have a +1sec leapsecond added a year ago. So yeah, the earth is slowing down and your email is slower. HaHa!! December 31, 2016: "The last leap second was added on June 30, 2015 just before midnight UTC. The U.S. Naval Observatory announced last July that a leap second will be added to official timekeeping on December 31, 2016. That means your day and year ? and everyone's day and year ? will officially be one second longer.Dec 31, 2016" "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Juno Systems & Software Team TGO Sequence Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov ?? ?On 1/10/19, 6:01 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift" wrote: I am sure our JPL friend Terry would be willing to attest and prove that every day is of the same speed ?, so therein your post must be a test! Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Curt Hall Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:32 PM To: Detomaso Email List Subject: [DeTomaso] Test Slow Day Test or just a Slow day? From marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 11 11:46:37 2019 From: marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net (marshall smith) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 16:46:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Test Slow Day References: <67496447.17079762.1547225197552.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <67496447.17079762.1547225197552@mail.yahoo.com> What I'd give for a slow day... -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 1/10/19, Mike & Elizabeth Thomas wrote: Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Test Slow Day To: "'Curt Hall'" , "'Detomaso Email List'" Date: Thursday, January 10, 2019, 9:04 PM Slow days . . . -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso On Behalf Of Curt Hall Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:32 PM To: Detomaso Email List Subject: [DeTomaso] Test Slow Day Test or just a Slow day? _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From sjcarguy60 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 11 16:47:27 2019 From: sjcarguy60 at yahoo.com (Dennis Valdez) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 21:47:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Slow Day - Joke of the day! References: <1468193599.18517631.1547243248001.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1468193599.18517631.1547243248001@mail.yahoo.com> An man buys a Pantera and is really beginning to enjoy it when he sees flashing lights in the rear view mirror. He guns it and is rapidly up to 160mph when he realizes what he is doing. He slows down, then pulls over and soon the cop pulls up behind him. The cop comes up to the window and asks, ?What were you thinking, taking off like that?? ?Well,? the man replies after thinking about it for a bit, ?a few years ago a highway patrol officer ran off with my wife.? ?What does that have to do with anything.?? ?I thought you were bringing her back.? -------------- next part -------------- An man buys a Pantera and is really beginning to enjoy it when he sees flashing lights in the rear view mirror. He guns it and is rapidly up to 160mph when he realizes what he is doing. He slows down, then pulls over and soon the cop pulls up behind him. The cop comes up to the window and asks, aWhat were you thinking, taking off like that?a aWell,a the man replies after thinking about it for a bit, aa few years ago a highway patrol officer ran off with my wife.a aWhat does that have to do with anything.a aI thought you were bringing her back.a From marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 11 17:11:09 2019 From: marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net (marshall smith) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 22:11:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Slow Day - Joke of the day! References: <382348600.17278778.1547244669876.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <382348600.17278778.1547244669876@mail.yahoo.com> Good one! And a great idea...joke day! m -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 1/11/19, Dennis Valdez via DeTomaso wrote: Subject: [DeTomaso] Slow Day - Joke of the day! To: "Detomaso Email List" Date: Friday, January 11, 2019, 1:47 PM ? An man buys a Pantera and is really beginning to enjoy it when he sees ? flashing lights in the rear view mirror. He guns it and is rapidly up ? to 160mph when he realizes what he is doing. He slows down, then pulls ? over and soon the cop pulls up behind him. ? The cop comes up to the window and asks, aWhat were you thinking, ? taking off like that?a ? aWell,a the man replies after thinking about it for a bit, aa few years ? ago a highway patrol officer ran off with my wife.a ? aWhat does that have to do with anything.a ? aI thought you were bringing her back.a _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- From jim.kosloskey at jim-kosloskey.com Fri Jan 11 17:25:31 2019 From: jim.kosloskey at jim-kosloskey.com (Jim Kosloskey) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 17:25:31 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Test Slow Day In-Reply-To: <47807c2a-bcad-5ad2-03d2-fd85ad669dd8@asajay.com> References: <1625581605.16679658.1547170327267.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1625581605.16679658.1547170327267@mail.yahoo.com> <014f01d4a96b$303dfa70$90b9ef50$@comcast.net> <47807c2a-bcad-5ad2-03d2-fd85ad669dd8@asajay.com> Message-ID: <003b01d4a9fc$91529c30$b3f7d490$@jim-kosloskey.com> That is a nice looking car. Too bad he is selling it but I hope he gets what he wants for it. Jim Kosloskey #6949 -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Asa Jay Laughton Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 12:12 AM To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Test Slow Day Goodness... just how slow -is- this day anyway? PS. for those who aren't on the POCA forum, it appears Kent Snyder is selling his fabulous Orange, original owner Pantera. And it looks to be a very gracious price. If the car is still in the shape Kent and Sandi always kept it, it's a deal NOT to pass up. I have no other info. Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired Spokane County ARES-RACES Net Manager ****************************** http://w7tsc.org http://www.teampanteraracing.com On 1/10/2019 21:04, Mike & Elizabeth Thomas wrote: > Slow days . . . > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso On Behalf Of > Curt Hall > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:32 PM > To: Detomaso Email List > Subject: [DeTomaso] Test Slow Day > > Test or just a Slow day? > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not > exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From chrisvkimball at msn.com Fri Jan 11 18:03:23 2019 From: chrisvkimball at msn.com (Christopher Kimball) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 23:03:23 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Slow Day - Joke of the day! In-Reply-To: <1468193599.18517631.1547243248001@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1468193599.18517631.1547243248001.ref@mail.yahoo.com>, <1468193599.18517631.1547243248001@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: ? ________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Dennis Valdez via DeTomaso Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 1:47 PM To: Detomaso Email List Subject: [DeTomaso] Slow Day - Joke of the day! An man buys a Pantera and is really beginning to enjoy it when he sees flashing lights in the rear view mirror. He guns it and is rapidly up to 160mph when he realizes what he is doing. He slows down, then pulls over and soon the cop pulls up behind him. The cop comes up to the window and asks, ?What were you thinking, taking off like that?? ?Well,? the man replies after thinking about it for a bit, ?a few years ago a highway patrol officer ran off with my wife.? ?What does that have to do with anything.? ?I thought you were bringing her back.? -------------- next part -------------- __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Dennis Valdez via DeTomaso Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 1:47 PM To: Detomaso Email List Subject: [DeTomaso] Slow Day - Joke of the day! An man buys a Pantera and is really beginning to enjoy it when he sees flashing lights in the rear view mirror. He guns it and is rapidly up to 160mph when he realizes what he is doing. He slows down, then pulls over and soon the cop pulls up behind him. The cop comes up to the window and asks, "What were you thinking, taking off like that?" "Well," the man replies after thinking about it for a bit, "a few years ago a highway patrol officer ran off with my wife." "What does that have to do with anything." "I thought you were bringing her back." From kenn_green at yahoo.com Fri Jan 11 18:21:39 2019 From: kenn_green at yahoo.com (Ken Green) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 23:21:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine References: <964160741.17305128.1547248899349.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <964160741.17305128.1547248899349@mail.yahoo.com> How loud is 95dB? Three Ways To Beat California's Absurd New Exhaust Law | | | | | | | | | | | Three Ways To Beat California's Absurd New Exhaust Law We offer three solutions to getting around California's crazy new exhaust law. Take our advice or pay the pr... | | | | -------------- next part -------------- How loud is 95dB? [1]Three Ways To Beat California's Absurd New Exhaust Law Three Ways To Beat California's Absurd New Exhaust Law We offer three solutions to getting around California's crazy new exhaust law. Take our advice or pay the pr... References Visible links 1. https://www.streetmusclemag.com/news/3-ways-to-beat-californias-absurd-new-exhaust-law/ Hidden links: 3. https://www.streetmusclemag.com/news/3-ways-to-beat-californias-absurd-new-exhaust-law/ From mbefthomas at comcast.net Sat Jan 12 11:16:04 2019 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike & Elizabeth Thomas) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 08:16:04 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Collector Car Insurance by Infiniti - Weighing going back to Hagerty Message-ID: <036701d4aa92$1e8e33d0$5baa9b70$@comcast.net> Does anyone else out there use collector car insurance by Infinity? I've had them for a few years and while they are cheaper than Hagerty, not able to find much on experience. I plan to drive the car more this year when I retire and am considering going back to Hagerty. Did a quote and for my car insured to a stated value of $90K is now $919/yr. Wow. But, if something happens and I get shorted on proper repairs it will cost a lot more than that. I've never heard anyone complain about payouts from Hagerty. Thanks Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest 206-795-3302 Yellow '74 #6328 www.panterasnorthwest.com -------------- next part -------------- Does anyone else out there use collector car insurance by Infinity? I've had them for a few years and while they are cheaper than Hagerty, not able to find much on experience. I plan to drive the car more this year when I retire and am considering going back to Hagerty. Did a quote and for my car insured to a stated value of $90K is now $919/yr. Wow. But, if something happens and I get shorted on proper repairs it will cost a lot more than that. I've never heard anyone complain about payouts from Hagerty. Thanks Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest 206-795-3302 Yellow '74 #6328 [1]www.panterasnorthwest.com References 1. http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/ From edducati at mac.com Sat Jan 12 11:22:21 2019 From: edducati at mac.com (Ed Mendez) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 10:22:21 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] Collector Car Insurance by Infiniti - Weighing going back to Hagerty In-Reply-To: <036701d4aa92$1e8e33d0$5baa9b70$@comcast.net> References: <036701d4aa92$1e8e33d0$5baa9b70$@comcast.net> Message-ID: My Pantera is insured for $180k and my 94 Mazda Rx7 is insured for $45k through Heacock classic car insurance. Combined is $980 per year. Hagerty would have been double. Just an FYI Ed Sent from my iPhone X > On Jan 12, 2019, at 10:16, Mike & Elizabeth Thomas wrote: > > Does anyone else out there use collector car insurance by Infinity? > I've had them for a few years and while they are cheaper than Hagerty, > not able to find much on experience. I plan to drive the car more this > year when I retire and am considering going back to Hagerty. Did a > quote and for my car insured to a stated value of $90K is now $919/yr. > Wow. But, if something happens and I get shorted on proper repairs it > will cost a lot more than that. I've never heard anyone complain about > payouts from Hagerty. > > > Thanks > > Mike Thomas > > Pres., Panteras Northwest > > 206-795-3302 > > Yellow '74 #6328 > > [1]www.panterasnorthwest.com > > References > > 1. http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/ > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From julian_kift at hotmail.com Sat Jan 12 12:07:11 2019 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 17:07:11 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Collector Car Insurance by Infiniti - Weighing going back to Hagerty In-Reply-To: References: <036701d4aa92$1e8e33d0$5baa9b70$@comcast.net>, Message-ID: I just received my renewal and have been using what was the Barrett Jackson endorsed insurance. It used to be underwritten by TDC Risk Management, then they got acquired by AIG and run it under their Private Client Group, but I still deal with the same folks . They approach it slightly differently with two policies one for my 'collection' that covers 6 cars the other for the driver piece, but on a comparison basis it's about the same as Ed's at $4.40 per $1,000 dollars insured, probably skewed a little on mine as I accumulated 4 tickets in 4 years. I remember when I quoted Heacock and they saw the Ultima they were quite anal about going within some radius of a racetrack. Even with my current insurer I had to sign a waiver that I would not use it for timed events, that was some years ago, just as the HPDE craze was developing. Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Ed Mendez via DeTomaso Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 8:22 AM To: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas Cc: Detomaso Email List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Collector Car Insurance by Infiniti - Weighing going back to Hagerty My Pantera is insured for $180k and my 94 Mazda Rx7 is insured for $45k through Heacock classic car insurance. Combined is $980 per year. Hagerty would have been double. Just an FYI Ed Sent from my iPhone X > On Jan 12, 2019, at 10:16, Mike & Elizabeth Thomas wrote: > > Does anyone else out there use collector car insurance by Infinity? > I've had them for a few years and while they are cheaper than Hagerty, > not able to find much on experience. I plan to drive the car more this > year when I retire and am considering going back to Hagerty. Did a > quote and for my car insured to a stated value of $90K is now $919/yr. > Wow. But, if something happens and I get shorted on proper repairs it > will cost a lot more than that. I've never heard anyone complain about > payouts from Hagerty. > > > Thanks > > Mike Thomas > > Pres., Panteras Northwest > > 206-795-3302 > > Yellow '74 #6328 > > [1]www.panterasnorthwest.com > > References > > 1. http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/ > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- I just received my renewal and have been using what was the Barrett Jackson endorsed insurance. It used to be underwritten by TDC Risk Management, then they got acquired by AIG and run it under their Private Client Group, but I still deal with the same folks . They approach it slightly differently with two policies one for my 'collection' that covers 6 cars the other for the driver piece, but on a comparison basis it's about the same as Ed's at $4.40 per $1,000 dollars insured, probably skewed a little on mine as I accumulated 4 tickets in 4 years. I remember when I quoted Heacock and they saw the Ultima they were quite anal about going within some radius of a racetrack. Even with my current insurer I had to sign a waiver that I would not use it for timed events, that was some years ago, just as the HPDE craze was developing. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Ed Mendez via DeTomaso Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 8:22 AM To: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas Cc: Detomaso Email List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Collector Car Insurance by Infiniti - Weighing going back to Hagerty My Pantera is insured for $180k and my 94 Mazda Rx7 is insured for $45k through Heacock classic car insurance. Combined is $980 per year. Hagerty would have been double. Just an FYI Ed Sent from my iPhone X > On Jan 12, 2019, at 10:16, Mike & Elizabeth Thomas wrote: > > Does anyone else out there use collector car insurance by Infinity? > I've had them for a few years and while they are cheaper than Hagerty, > not able to find much on experience. I plan to drive the car more this > year when I retire and am considering going back to Hagerty. Did a > quote and for my car insured to a stated value of $90K is now $919/yr. > Wow. But, if something happens and I get shorted on proper repairs it > will cost a lot more than that. I've never heard anyone complain about > payouts from Hagerty. > > > Thanks > > Mike Thomas > > Pres., Panteras Northwest > > 206-795-3302 > > Yellow '74 #6328 > > [1]www.panterasnorthwest.com > > References > > 1. [1]http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/ > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/ 2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From bobbykart at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 12:13:06 2019 From: bobbykart at gmail.com (Bobby) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 09:13:06 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Collector Car Insurance by Infiniti - Weighing going back to Hagerty In-Reply-To: References: <036701d4aa92$1e8e33d0$5baa9b70$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8434C874-437E-436F-B33D-EE375D5E74AF@gmail.com> I too had Hagerty for 10 years or so. After a premium increase, I switched to Heacock for half the price Bobby Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 12, 2019, at 9:07 AM, Julian Kift wrote: > > I just received my renewal and have been using what was the Barrett > Jackson endorsed insurance. It used to be underwritten by TDC Risk > Management, then they got acquired by AIG and run it under their > Private Client Group, but I still deal with the same folks . They > approach it slightly differently with two policies one for my > 'collection' that covers 6 cars the other for the driver piece, but on > a comparison basis it's about the same as Ed's at $4.40 per $1,000 > dollars insured, probably skewed a little on mine as I accumulated 4 > tickets in 4 years. > > I remember when I quoted Heacock and they saw the Ultima they were > quite anal about going within some radius of a racetrack. Even with my > current insurer I had to sign a waiver that I would not use it for > timed events, that was some years ago, just as the HPDE craze was > developing. > > Julian > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: DeTomaso on behalf of > Ed Mendez via DeTomaso > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 8:22 AM > To: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas > Cc: Detomaso Email List > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Collector Car Insurance by Infiniti - Weighing > going back to Hagerty > > My Pantera is insured for $180k and my 94 Mazda Rx7 is insured for $45k > through Heacock classic car insurance. Combined is $980 per year. > Hagerty would have been double. > Just an FYI > Ed > Sent from my iPhone X >> On Jan 12, 2019, at 10:16, Mike & Elizabeth Thomas > wrote: >> >> Does anyone else out there use collector car insurance by Infinity? >> I've had them for a few years and while they are cheaper than > Hagerty, >> not able to find much on experience. I plan to drive the car more > this >> year when I retire and am considering going back to Hagerty. Did a >> quote and for my car insured to a stated value of $90K is now > $919/yr. >> Wow. But, if something happens and I get shorted on proper repairs > it >> will cost a lot more than that. I've never heard anyone complain > about >> payouts from Hagerty. >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Mike Thomas >> >> Pres., Panteras Northwest >> >> 206-795-3302 >> >> Yellow '74 #6328 >> >> [1]www.panterasnorthwest.com >> >> References >> >> 1. 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From Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov Sat Jan 12 12:16:30 2019 From: Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov (Himes, Terry (397C)) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 17:16:30 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Collector Car Insurance by Infiniti - Weighing going back to Hagerty In-Reply-To: <8434C874-437E-436F-B33D-EE375D5E74AF@gmail.com> References: <036701d4aa92$1e8e33d0$5baa9b70$@comcast.net> <8434C874-437E-436F-B33D-EE375D5E74AF@gmail.com> Message-ID: BUT... have you made claims? How did Heacock respond? Any problems? I've had Haggerty since 2001. They have paid claims immediately and were completely professional. I don't mind changing and love to save money, but... Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Juno Systems & Software Team TGO Sequence Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov ?? ?On 1/12/19, 9:13 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Bobby" wrote: I too had Hagerty for 10 years or so. After a premium increase, I switched to Heacock for half the price Bobby Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 12, 2019, at 9:07 AM, Julian Kift wrote: > > I just received my renewal and have been using what was the Barrett > Jackson endorsed insurance. It used to be underwritten by TDC Risk > Management, then they got acquired by AIG and run it under their > Private Client Group, but I still deal with the same folks . They > approach it slightly differently with two policies one for my > 'collection' that covers 6 cars the other for the driver piece, but on > a comparison basis it's about the same as Ed's at $4.40 per $1,000 > dollars insured, probably skewed a little on mine as I accumulated 4 > tickets in 4 years. > > I remember when I quoted Heacock and they saw the Ultima they were > quite anal about going within some radius of a racetrack. Even with my > current insurer I had to sign a waiver that I would not use it for > timed events, that was some years ago, just as the HPDE craze was > developing. > > Julian > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: DeTomaso on behalf of > Ed Mendez via DeTomaso > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 8:22 AM > To: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas > Cc: Detomaso Email List > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Collector Car Insurance by Infiniti - Weighing > going back to Hagerty > > My Pantera is insured for $180k and my 94 Mazda Rx7 is insured for $45k > through Heacock classic car insurance. Combined is $980 per year. > Hagerty would have been double. > Just an FYI > Ed > Sent from my iPhone X >> On Jan 12, 2019, at 10:16, Mike & Elizabeth Thomas > wrote: >> >> Does anyone else out there use collector car insurance by Infinity? >> I've had them for a few years and while they are cheaper than > Hagerty, >> not able to find much on experience. I plan to drive the car more > this >> year when I retire and am considering going back to Hagerty. Did a >> quote and for my car insured to a stated value of $90K is now > $919/yr. >> Wow. But, if something happens and I get shorted on proper repairs > it >> will cost a lot more than that. I've never heard anyone complain > about >> payouts from Hagerty. >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Mike Thomas >> >> Pres., Panteras Northwest >> >> 206-795-3302 >> >> Yellow '74 #6328 >> >> [1]www.panterasnorthwest.com >> >> References >> >> 1. 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I feel like I'm stealing insurance. 1971 Pantera $80K $406.00 1965 MBZ 230SL $35K $170.00 1979 Honda CBX $8K $33.00 1965 Ford Mustang GT Conv $20K $29.00 (fire theft only) 1987 Porsche 928 $20K $297.00 2007 Porsche Carrera S Cabrio $42K $623.00 Bod injury $250K/$500K/$100K addl $38 Prop damage $100K addl $10.00 Med pymts $1000 per addl $10.00 UI $15K/$30K addl $9.00 Motorcycle pass $15K/$30K addl $1.00 Limited earthquake addl $8.00 Spare parts $1.5K $3.00 Collector Car tools incl earthquake $1.5K addl $28.00 Haggerty Plus renewal $35.00 Total premium $1,700.00 per year. -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 1/12/19, Himes, Terry (397C) via DeTomaso wrote: Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Collector Car Insurance by Infiniti - Weighing going back to Hagerty To: "Bobby" , "Julian Kift" Cc: "Mike & Elizabeth Thomas" , "Detomaso Email List" Date: Saturday, January 12, 2019, 9:16 AM BUT... have you made claims?? How did Heacock respond?? Any problems? I've had Haggerty since 2001. They have paid claims immediately and were completely professional.? I don't mind changing and love to save money, but... Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Juno Systems & Software Team TGO Sequence Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell:? ? (818) 653-8213 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov ?? ?On 1/12/19, 9:13 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Bobby" wrote: ? ? I too had Hagerty for 10 years or so. After a premium increase, I switched to Heacock for half the price ? ? ? ? Bobby ? ? ? ? Sent from my iPhone ? ? ? ? > On Jan 12, 2019, at 9:07 AM, Julian Kift wrote: ? ? > ? ? >? I just received my renewal and have been using what was the Barrett ? ? >? Jackson endorsed insurance. It used to be underwritten by TDC Risk ? ? >? Management, then they got acquired by AIG and run it under their ? ? >? Private Client Group, but I still deal with the same folks . They ? ? >? approach it slightly differently with two policies one for my ? ? >? 'collection' that covers 6 cars the other for the driver piece, but on ? ? >? a comparison basis it's about the same as Ed's at $4.40 per $1,000 ? ? >? dollars insured, probably skewed a little on mine as I accumulated 4 ? ? >? tickets in 4 years. ? ? > ? ? >? I remember when I quoted Heacock and they saw the Ultima they were ? ? >? quite anal about going within some radius of a racetrack. Even with my ? ? >? current insurer I had to sign a waiver that I would not use it for ? ? >? timed events, that was some years ago, just as the HPDE craze was ? ? >? developing. ? ? > ? ? >? Julian ? ? >? ? __________________________________________________________________ ? ? > ? ? >? From: DeTomaso on behalf of ? ? >? Ed Mendez via DeTomaso ? ? >? Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 8:22 AM ? ? >? To: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas ? ? >? Cc: Detomaso Email List ? ? >? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Collector Car Insurance by Infiniti - Weighing ? ? >? going back to Hagerty ? ? > ? ? >? My Pantera is insured for $180k and my 94 Mazda Rx7 is insured for $45k ? ? >? through Heacock classic car insurance. Combined is $980 per year. ? ? >? Hagerty would have been double. ? ? >? Just an FYI ? ? >? Ed ? ? >? Sent from my iPhone X ? ? >> On Jan 12, 2019, at 10:16, Mike & Elizabeth Thomas ? ? >? wrote: ? ? >> ? ? >>? Does anyone else out there use collector car insurance by Infinity? ? ? >>? I've had them for a few years and while they are cheaper than ? ? >? Hagerty, ? ? >>? not able to find much on experience.? I plan to drive the car more ? ? >? this ? ? >>? year when I retire and am considering going back to Hagerty.? Did a ? ? >>? quote and for my car insured to a stated value of $90K is now ? ? >? $919/yr. ? ? >>? Wow.? But, if something happens and I get shorted on proper repairs ? ? >? it ? ? >>? will cost a lot more than that.? I've never heard anyone complain ? ? >? about ? ? >>? payouts from Hagerty. ? ? >> ? ? >> ? ? >>? Thanks ? ? >> ? ? >>? Mike Thomas ? ? >> ? ? >>? Pres., Panteras Northwest ? ? >> ? ? >>? 206-795-3302 ? ? >> ? ? >>? Yellow '74 #6328 ? ? >> ? ? >>? [1]www.panterasnorthwest.com ? ? >> ? ? >> References ? ? >> ? ? >>? 1. [1]http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/ ? ? >> _______________________________________________ ? ? >> ? ? >> ? ? >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA ? ? >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes ? ? >> DeTomaso mailing list ? ? >> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com ? ? >> [2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso ? ? >> ? ? >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) ? ? >? use the links above. ? ? >> ? ? >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward ? ? >? any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the ? ? >? list. 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From marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 12 13:24:48 2019 From: marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net (marshall smith) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 18:24:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes References: <536879207.17575962.1547317488361.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <536879207.17575962.1547317488361@mail.yahoo.com> Good luck Scotty!! -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 1/12/19, Scott Mead Photography wrote: Subject: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes To: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com Date: Saturday, January 12, 2019, 10:16 AM Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- From knottsj at galstar.com Sat Jan 12 13:25:16 2019 From: knottsj at galstar.com (Jerry Knotts) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 12:25:16 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] Collector Car Insurance by Infiniti - Weighing going back to Hagerty In-Reply-To: <036701d4aa92$1e8e33d0$5baa9b70$@comcast.net> References: <036701d4aa92$1e8e33d0$5baa9b70$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001e96c1-7383-090b-0f27-2168d38b04f2@galstar.com> I have used Barrett Jackson AIG for my toys for the past 4 or 5 years.? They were very inexpensive until I insured my Noble. ? I have 7 insured and have had claims on 2 over the last thee years.? I had a blow out on a trailer with my 71 Pantera show car. The car tried to escape the trailer and did a lot of body damage .? They paid in full promptly including a new custom paint job. My Rx-7 was in the barn during a tornado and they were out the day I called them and adjusted it on the spot. I have 2 cars with supercharges, 2 cars with nitros and 2 twin turbo cars.? It doesn't seem to matter. Hagarty does not touch nitrous cars and? didn't like it that none of my cars have the original engines in them. YMMV, jerry knotts On 1/12/2019 10:16 AM, Mike & Elizabeth Thomas wrote: > Does anyone else out there use collector car insurance by Infinity? > I've had them for a few years and while they are cheaper than Hagerty, > not able to find much on experience. I plan to drive the car more this > year when I retire and am considering going back to Hagerty. Did a > quote and for my car insured to a stated value of $90K is now $919/yr. > Wow. But, if something happens and I get shorted on proper repairs it > will cost a lot more than that. I've never heard anyone complain about > payouts from Hagerty. > > > Thanks > > Mike Thomas > > Pres., Panteras Northwest > > 206-795-3302 > > Yellow '74 #6328 > > [1]www.panterasnorthwest.com > > References > > 1. http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -------------- next part -------------- I have used Barrett Jackson AIG for my toys for the past 4 or 5 years. They were very inexpensive until I insured my Noble. I have 7 insured and have had claims on 2 over the last thee years. I had a blow out on a trailer with my 71 Pantera show car. The car tried to escape the trailer and did a lot of body damage . They paid in full promptly including a new custom paint job. My Rx-7 was in the barn during a tornado and they were out the day I called them and adjusted it on the spot. I have 2 cars with supercharges, 2 cars with nitros and 2 twin turbo cars. It doesn't seem to matter. Hagarty does not touch nitrous cars and didn't like it that none of my cars have the original engines in them. YMMV, jerry knotts On 1/12/2019 10:16 AM, Mike & Elizabeth Thomas wrote: Does anyone else out there use collector car insurance by Infinity? I've had them for a few years and while they are cheaper than Hagerty, not able to find much on experience. I plan to drive the car more this year when I retire and am considering going back to Hagerty. Did a quote and for my car insured to a stated value of $90K is now $919/yr. Wow. But, if something happens and I get shorted on proper repairs it will cost a lot more than that. I've never heard anyone complain about payouts from Hagerty. Thanks Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest 206-795-3302 Yellow '74 #6328 [1]www.panterasnorthwest.com References 1. 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[4]www.avg.com References Visible links 1. http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/ 2. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 4. http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient Hidden links: 6. http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient 7. file://localhost/tmp/tmp1wZZVY.html#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2 From mbefthomas at comcast.net Sat Jan 12 13:34:28 2019 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike & Elizabeth Thomas) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 10:34:28 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes In-Reply-To: <536879207.17575962.1547317488361@mail.yahoo.com> References: <536879207.17575962.1547317488361.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <536879207.17575962.1547317488361@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <042901d4aaa5$74a23420$5de69c60$@comcast.net> Where's the original email . . . ? -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso On Behalf Of marshall smith Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 10:25 AM To: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com; Scott Mead Photography Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes Good luck Scotty!! -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 1/12/19, Scott Mead Photography wrote: Subject: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes To: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com Date: Saturday, January 12, 2019, 10:16 AM Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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From pantdino at aol.com Sat Jan 12 14:18:47 2019 From: pantdino at aol.com (Pantdino) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 19:18:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Collector Car Insurance by Infiniti - Weighing going back to Hagerty References: <1268012731.17604679.1547320727688.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1268012731.17604679.1547320727688@mail.yahoo.com> I don't compare rates very often, but for my Ferrari Dino Hagerty has always wanted exactly twice as much as Heacock.? All that advertising and website stuff has to be paid for somehow. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Ed Mendez via DeTomaso To: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas Cc: Detomaso Email List Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2019 8:22 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Collector Car Insurance by Infiniti - Weighing going back to Hagerty My Pantera is insured for $180k and my 94 Mazda Rx7 is insured for $45k through Heacock classic car insurance. Combined is $980 per year. Hagerty would have been double. Just an FYI Ed Sent from my iPhone X > On Jan 12, 2019, at 10:16, Mike & Elizabeth Thomas wrote: > >? Does anyone else out there use collector car insurance by Infinity? >? I've had them for a few years and while they are cheaper than Hagerty, >? not able to find much on experience.? I plan to drive the car more this >? year when I retire and am considering going back to Hagerty.? Did a >? quote and for my car insured to a stated value of $90K is now $919/yr. >? Wow.? But, if something happens and I get shorted on proper repairs it >? will cost a lot more than that.? I've never heard anyone complain about >? payouts from Hagerty. > > >? Thanks > >? Mike Thomas > >? Pres., Panteras Northwest > >? 206-795-3302 > >? Yellow '74 #6328 > >? [1]www.panterasnorthwest.com > > References > >? 1. http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/ > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- I don't compare rates very often, but for my Ferrari Dino Hagerty has always wanted exactly twice as much as Heacock. All that advertising and website stuff has to be paid for somehow. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Ed Mendez via DeTomaso To: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas Cc: Detomaso Email List Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2019 8:22 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Collector Car Insurance by Infiniti - Weighing going back to Hagerty My Pantera is insured for $180k and my 94 Mazda Rx7 is insured for $45k through Heacock classic car insurance. Combined is $980 per year. Hagerty would have been double. Just an FYI Ed Sent from my iPhone X > On Jan 12, 2019, at 10:16, Mike & Elizabeth Thomas <[1]mbefthomas at comcast.net> wrote: > > Does anyone else out there use collector car insurance by Infinity? > I've had them for a few years and while they are cheaper than Hagerty, > not able to find much on experience. I plan to drive the car more this > year when I retire and am considering going back to Hagerty. Did a > quote and for my car insured to a stated value of $90K is now $919/yr. > Wow. But, if something happens and I get shorted on proper repairs it > will cost a lot more than that. I've never heard anyone complain about > payouts from Hagerty. > > > Thanks > > Mike Thomas > > Pres., Panteras Northwest > > 206-795-3302 > > Yellow '74 #6328 > > [1]www.panterasnorthwest.com > > References > > 1. [2]http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/ > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [3]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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References 1. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net 2. http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/ 3. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 5. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From julian_kift at hotmail.com Sat Jan 12 14:21:58 2019 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 19:21:58 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes In-Reply-To: <536879207.17575962.1547317488361@mail.yahoo.com> References: <536879207.17575962.1547317488361.ref@mail.yahoo.com>, <536879207.17575962.1547317488361@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Described on the block and auction description as upgraded to 'GT5-S spec", where is there any semblance of GT5-S in this car? Hammered sold at $120K, which I think reflects a stronger market than many other recent sales. Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of marshall smith Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 10:24 AM To: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com; Scott Mead Photography Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes Good luck Scotty!! -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 1/12/19, Scott Mead Photography wrote: Subject: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes To: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com Date: Saturday, January 12, 2019, 10:16 AM Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Described on the block and auction description as upgraded to 'GT5-S spec", where is there any semblance of GT5-S in this car? Hammered sold at $120K, which I think reflects a stronger market than many other recent sales. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of marshall smith Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 10:24 AM To: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com; Scott Mead Photography Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes Good luck Scotty!! -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 1/12/19, Scott Mead Photography wrote: Subject: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes To: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com Date: Saturday, January 12, 2019, 10:16 AM Sent from my iPhone_______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [1]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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References 1. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From mbefthomas at comcast.net Sat Jan 12 14:49:01 2019 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike & Elizabeth Thomas) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 11:49:01 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Collector Car Insurance by Infiniti - Weighing going back to Hagerty In-Reply-To: <436329959.17574787.1547317428902@mail.yahoo.com> References: <436329959.17574787.1547317428902.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <436329959.17574787.1547317428902@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <046801d4aaaf$de751200$9b5f3600$@comcast.net> Too many toys for you, time to share ? -----Original Message----- From: marshall smith Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 10:24 AM To: Bobby ; Julian Kift ; Terry (397C)Himes Cc: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas ; Detomaso Email List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Collector Car Insurance by Infiniti - Weighing going back to Hagerty I can't believe what I pay Hagerty for full coverage. It is incredible. And I had a check for $38,000.00 on my desk in 10 days in 2016 for damage to the Pantera. I've never seen another company come close. I feel like I'm stealing insurance. 1971 Pantera $80K $406.00 1965 MBZ 230SL $35K $170.00 1979 Honda CBX $8K $33.00 1965 Ford Mustang GT Conv $20K $29.00 (fire theft only) 1987 Porsche 928 $20K $297.00 2007 Porsche Carrera S Cabrio $42K $623.00 Bod injury $250K/$500K/$100K addl $38 Prop damage $100K addl $10.00 Med pymts $1000 per addl $10.00 UI $15K/$30K addl $9.00 Motorcycle pass $15K/$30K addl $1.00 Limited earthquake addl $8.00 Spare parts $1.5K $3.00 Collector Car tools incl earthquake $1.5K addl $28.00 Haggerty Plus renewal $35.00 Total premium $1,700.00 per year. -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 1/12/19, Himes, Terry (397C) via DeTomaso wrote: Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Collector Car Insurance by Infiniti - Weighing going back to Hagerty To: "Bobby" , "Julian Kift" Cc: "Mike & Elizabeth Thomas" , "Detomaso Email List" Date: Saturday, January 12, 2019, 9:16 AM BUT... have you made claims? How did Heacock respond? Any problems? I've had Haggerty since 2001. They have paid claims immediately and were completely professional. I don't mind changing and love to save money, but... Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Juno Systems & Software Team TGO Sequence Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov ?? ?On 1/12/19, 9:13 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Bobby" wrote: I too had Hagerty for 10 years or so. After a premium increase, I switched to Heacock for half the price Bobby Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 12, 2019, at 9:07 AM, Julian Kift wrote: > > I just received my renewal and have been using what was the Barrett > Jackson endorsed insurance. It used to be underwritten by TDC Risk > Management, then they got acquired by AIG and run it under their > Private Client Group, but I still deal with the same folks . They > approach it slightly differently with two policies one for my > 'collection' that covers 6 cars the other for the driver piece, but on > a comparison basis it's about the same as Ed's at $4.40 per $1,000 > dollars insured, probably skewed a little on mine as I accumulated 4 > tickets in 4 years. > > I remember when I quoted Heacock and they saw the Ultima they were > quite anal about going within some radius of a racetrack. Even with my > current insurer I had to sign a waiver that I would not use it for > timed events, that was some years ago, just as the HPDE craze was > developing. > > Julian > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: DeTomaso on behalf of > Ed Mendez via DeTomaso > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 8:22 AM > To: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas > Cc: Detomaso Email List > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Collector Car Insurance by Infiniti - Weighing > going back to Hagerty > > My Pantera is insured for $180k and my 94 Mazda Rx7 is insured for $45k > through Heacock classic car insurance. Combined is $980 per year. > Hagerty would have been double. > Just an FYI > Ed > Sent from my iPhone X >> On Jan 12, 2019, at 10:16, Mike & Elizabeth Thomas > wrote: >> >> Does anyone else out there use collector car insurance by Infinity? >> I've had them for a few years and while they are cheaper than > Hagerty, >> not able to find much on experience. I plan to drive the car more > this >> year when I retire and am considering going back to Hagerty. Did a >> quote and for my car insured to a stated value of $90K is now > $919/yr. >> Wow. But, if something happens and I get shorted on proper repairs > it >> will cost a lot more than that. I've never heard anyone complain > about >> payouts from Hagerty. >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Mike Thomas >> >> Pres., Panteras Northwest >> >> 206-795-3302 >> >> Yellow '74 #6328 >> >> [1]www.panterasnorthwest.com >> >> References >> >> 1. 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From sjcarguy60 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 12 15:23:23 2019 From: sjcarguy60 at yahoo.com (Dennis Valdez) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 12:23:23 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes In-Reply-To: <536879207.17575962.1547317488361@mail.yahoo.com> References: <536879207.17575962.1547317488361.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <536879207.17575962.1547317488361@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47AA0AFA-4E53-426D-B62A-D4620A2AE0C7@yahoo.com> Can?t understand the broadcasters policy of taking commercial breaks when the Panteras come up! Looks like a good sale though ? > On Jan 12, 2019, at 10:24 AM, marshall smith wrote: > > Good luck Scotty!! > -------------------------------------------- > On Sat, 1/12/19, Scott Mead Photography wrote: > > Subject: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes > To: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > Date: Saturday, January 12, 2019, 10:16 AM > > > > > > > > > Sent from my > iPhone_______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, > unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to > forward any message posted here to all past, current, or > future members of the list. 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From clk55amg at verizon.net Sat Jan 12 16:12:05 2019 From: clk55amg at verizon.net (Ray Pascarella) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 16:12:05 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes In-Reply-To: <1958430C-9386-43EE-BD2D-1B1612B67C60@scottmeadphotography.com> References: <1958430C-9386-43EE-BD2D-1B1612B67C60@scottmeadphotography.com> Message-ID: <4BDDCC78-E618-4B49-A89C-9797ABB4B252@verizon.net> Looks like it hammered at $132,000. Congrats Scott. 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From audionut at mediacombb.net Sat Jan 12 16:22:40 2019 From: audionut at mediacombb.net (audionut motonut) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 16:22:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine In-Reply-To: <964160741.17305128.1547248899349@mail.yahoo.com> References: <964160741.17305128.1547248899349.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <964160741.17305128.1547248899349@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <380037503.58691558.1547328160261.JavaMail.zimbra@mediacombb.net> As a motorcycle guy, my impression is that this law has it's origins in the infernal racket made by Harley guys who run open pipes. Enforcement will likely be directed at them and not so much at cars. But we shall see. So far I haven't heard of (or seen) anybody getting a ticket for loud exhaust, car or motorcycle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Green via DeTomaso" To: "List DeTomaso Forum" Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 3:21:39 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine How loud is 95dB? Three Ways To Beat California's Absurd New Exhaust Law | | | | | | | | | | | Three Ways To Beat California's Absurd New Exhaust Law We offer three solutions to getting around California's crazy new exhaust law. Take our advice or pay the pr... | | | | _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- As a motorcycle guy, my impression is that this law has it's origins in the infernal racket made by Harley guys who run open pipes. Enforcement will likely be directed at them and not so much at cars. But we shall see. So far I haven't heard of (or seen) anybody getting a ticket for loud exhaust, car or motorcycle. __________________________________________________________________ From: "Ken Green via DeTomaso" To: "List DeTomaso Forum" Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 3:21:39 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine How loud is 95dB? Three Ways To Beat California's Absurd New Exhaust Law | | | | | | | | | | | Three Ways To Beat California's Absurd New Exhaust Law We offer three solutions to getting around California's crazy new exhaust law. Take our advice or pay the pr... | | | | _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From cuvee at sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 12 17:05:25 2019 From: cuvee at sbcglobal.net (Curt Hall) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 22:05:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine In-Reply-To: <380037503.58691558.1547328160261.JavaMail.zimbra@mediacombb.net> References: <964160741.17305128.1547248899349.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <964160741.17305128.1547248899349@mail.yahoo.com> <380037503.58691558.1547328160261.JavaMail.zimbra@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: <1335299206.17636751.1547330725916@mail.yahoo.com> A friend's Daughter got a loud exhaust ticket before Christmas! Cost about $200-$300. After 2019 Much larger Fines up to $1000 I think? Now to be fair, Her Car is a Bright Red VW, lowered with a 17" wheels and a Big Ass Fart Can! LOL On Saturday, January 12, 2019, 1:22:53 PM PST, audionut motonut wrote: ? As a motorcycle guy, my impression is that this law has it's origins in ? the infernal racket made by Harley guys who run open pipes. ? Enforcement will likely be directed at them and not so much at cars. ? But we shall see.? So far I haven't heard of (or seen) anybody getting ? a ticket for loud exhaust, car or motorcycle. ? ? __________________________________________________________________ ? From: "Ken Green via DeTomaso" ? To: "List DeTomaso Forum" ? Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 3:21:39 PM ? Subject: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine ? How loud is 95dB? ? Three Ways To Beat California's Absurd New Exhaust Law ? | ? | ? | ? |? |? ? | ? ? ? | ? ? | ? | ? |? | ? Three Ways To Beat California's Absurd New Exhaust Law ? ? We offer three solutions to getting around California's crazy new ? exhaust law. Take our advice or pay the pr...? |? | ? ? | ? ? | ? _______________________________________________ ? Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA ? Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes ? DeTomaso mailing list ? DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com ? http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso ? 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- A friend's Daughter got a loud exhaust ticket before Christmas! Cost about $200-$300. After 2019 Much larger Fines up to $1000 I think? Now to be fair, Her Car is a Bright Red VW, lowered with a 17" wheels and a Big Ass Fart Can! LOL On Saturday, January 12, 2019, 1:22:53 PM PST, audionut motonut wrote: As a motorcycle guy, my impression is that this law has it's origins in the infernal racket made by Harley guys who run open pipes. Enforcement will likely be directed at them and not so much at cars. But we shall see. So far I haven't heard of (or seen) anybody getting a ticket for loud exhaust, car or motorcycle. __________________________________________________________________ From: "Ken Green via DeTomaso" <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> To: "List DeTomaso Forum" <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 3:21:39 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine How loud is 95dB? Three Ways To Beat California's Absurd New Exhaust Law | | | | | | | | | | | Three Ways To Beat California's Absurd New Exhaust Law We offer three solutions to getting around California's crazy new exhaust law. Take our advice or pay the pr... | | | | _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [3]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [5]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 2. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 3. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 5. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From MikeLDrew at aol.com Sat Jan 12 17:52:13 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 14:52:13 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Collector Car Insurance by Infiniti - Weighing going back to Hagerty In-Reply-To: References: <036701d4aa92$1e8e33d0$5baa9b70$@comcast.net> <8434C874-437E-436F-B33D-EE375D5E74AF@gmail.com> Message-ID: I have been with heacock (formerly parish) from the start. I have had two claims, both handled extremely professionally and generously. Half the cost of Hagarty. Mike Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 12, 2019, at 09:16, Himes, Terry (397C) via DeTomaso wrote: > > BUT... have you made claims? How did Heacock respond? Any problems? > > I've had Haggerty since 2001. They have paid claims immediately and were completely > professional. I don't mind changing and love to save money, but... > > Terry > > > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, > stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" > > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Dawn Spacecraft Team > Juno Systems & Software Team > TGO Sequence Lead > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > ?? > > > ?On 1/12/19, 9:13 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Bobby" wrote: > > I too had Hagerty for 10 years or so. After a premium increase, I switched to Heacock for half the price > > Bobby > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 12, 2019, at 9:07 AM, Julian Kift wrote: >> >> I just received my renewal and have been using what was the Barrett >> Jackson endorsed insurance. It used to be underwritten by TDC Risk >> Management, then they got acquired by AIG and run it under their >> Private Client Group, but I still deal with the same folks . They >> approach it slightly differently with two policies one for my >> 'collection' that covers 6 cars the other for the driver piece, but on >> a comparison basis it's about the same as Ed's at $4.40 per $1,000 >> dollars insured, probably skewed a little on mine as I accumulated 4 >> tickets in 4 years. >> >> I remember when I quoted Heacock and they saw the Ultima they were >> quite anal about going within some radius of a racetrack. Even with my >> current insurer I had to sign a waiver that I would not use it for >> timed events, that was some years ago, just as the HPDE craze was >> developing. >> >> Julian >> __________________________________________________________________ >> >> From: DeTomaso on behalf of >> Ed Mendez via DeTomaso >> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 8:22 AM >> To: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas >> Cc: Detomaso Email List >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Collector Car Insurance by Infiniti - Weighing >> going back to Hagerty >> >> My Pantera is insured for $180k and my 94 Mazda Rx7 is insured for $45k >> through Heacock classic car insurance. Combined is $980 per year. >> Hagerty would have been double. >> Just an FYI >> Ed >> Sent from my iPhone X >>>> On Jan 12, 2019, at 10:16, Mike & Elizabeth Thomas >>> wrote: >>> >>> Does anyone else out there use collector car insurance by Infinity? >>> I've had them for a few years and while they are cheaper than >> Hagerty, >>> not able to find much on experience. I plan to drive the car more >> this >>> year when I retire and am considering going back to Hagerty. Did a >>> quote and for my car insured to a stated value of $90K is now >> $919/yr. >>> Wow. But, if something happens and I get shorted on proper repairs >> it >>> will cost a lot more than that. I've never heard anyone complain >> about >>> payouts from Hagerty. >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Mike Thomas >>> >>> Pres., Panteras Northwest >>> >>> 206-795-3302 >>> >>> Yellow '74 #6328 >>> >>> [1]www.panterasnorthwest.com >>> >>> References >>> >>> 1. 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From pantdino at aol.com Sat Jan 12 19:27:37 2019 From: pantdino at aol.com (Pantdino) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2019 00:27:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine References: <846474807.17651591.1547339257552.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <846474807.17651591.1547339257552@mail.yahoo.com> As I read it, motorcycles are specifically exempt from this restriction And they are the worst offenders Jim -----Original Message----- From: audionut motonut To: detomaso Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2019 1:22 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine ? As a motorcycle guy, my impression is that this law has it's origins in ? the infernal racket made by Harley guys who run open pipes. ? Enforcement will likely be directed at them and not so much at cars. ? But we shall see.? So far I haven't heard of (or seen) anybody getting ? a ticket for loud exhaust, car or motorcycle. ? ? __________________________________________________________________ ? From: "Ken Green via DeTomaso" ? To: "List DeTomaso Forum" ? Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 3:21:39 PM ? Subject: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine ? How loud is 95dB? ? Three Ways To Beat California's Absurd New Exhaust Law ? | ? | ? | ? |? |? ? | ? ? ? | ? ? | ? | ? |? | ? Three Ways To Beat California's Absurd New Exhaust Law ? ? We offer three solutions to getting around California's crazy new ? exhaust law. Take our advice or pay the pr...? |? | ? ? | ? ? | ? _______________________________________________ ? Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA ? Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes ? DeTomaso mailing list ? DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com ? http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso ? To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) ? use the links above. ? Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any ? message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the ? list. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- As I read it, motorcycles are specifically exempt from this restriction And they are the worst offenders Jim -----Original Message----- From: audionut motonut To: detomaso Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2019 1:22 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine As a motorcycle guy, my impression is that this law has it's origins in the infernal racket made by Harley guys who run open pipes. Enforcement will likely be directed at them and not so much at cars. But we shall see. So far I haven't heard of (or seen) anybody getting a ticket for loud exhaust, car or motorcycle. __________________________________________________________________ From: "Ken Green via DeTomaso" To: "List DeTomaso Forum" Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 3:21:39 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine How loud is 95dB? 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From lindahuber at cox.net Sat Jan 12 20:13:34 2019 From: lindahuber at cox.net (Chuck and Linda Huber) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 18:13:34 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] headers In-Reply-To: <003201d4a6e9$31286a30$93793e90$@cox.net> References: <000001d4a6d8$9b815c40$d28414c0$@cox.net> <9D7FFC90-1D7C-4BDF-9733-408D17F96461@aol.com> <52C3F96F-D132-4B35-9C8F-A3ED0964EC67@aol.com> <003201d4a6e9$31286a30$93793e90$@cox.net> Message-ID: <010601d4aadd$34cdbda0$9e6938e0$@cox.net> Here is a picture of the collectors of the "Big Bore" cut off from the merge, and pictures of the inner merge. I agree with Dan's assessment, based on looking at the way these are put together. Mine had some work done to them to clean them up, and to get rid of the terrible collector. They fit well though. I heard that they originated as boat headers? Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Charles Engles [mailto:cengles at cox.net] Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 5:29 PM To: 'Daniel C Jones' Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] headers Dear Dan, Thanks for the comprehensive factual review. You're building a 390 stroker as the dyno mule engine? No 351C mules? Warmest regards, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Daniel C Jones Sent: Monday, January 07, 2019 6:06 PM Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] headers > IIRC, the Euro GTS headers-exhaust were considered the best although they lost a reported 50 hp It was the ANSA muflers that lost the 50 HP (compared to both Magnaflow mufflers and open headers. Surprisingly, the GTS headers weren't too bad on peak power but gave up a bunch of peak torque (25 to 35 ft-lbs depending upon the engine combination) due to the short primary and collector lengths. That's compared to a conventional Mustang long tube 4-into-1 headers with 1 3/4" diameter primaries and 3" diameter collectors. > I need to purchase a new set for a 4v. Tri wye or big bore. The Euro GTS headers aren't really tri-y headers. They are just 4-into-1 headers with a short tri-y collector. They have primaries that are too big and a collector that is too small but, in our testing, performed a little better than the other 4-into-1 shorty headers we tested with (also too short) conventional collectors. Note that we did not test the Mind Train 4-into-1 headers. I'd stay away from the Hall big bore which had the worst collector. I believe a real 4-2-1 tri-y full length header would gain back that peak torque without sacrificing the peak power. I've got a design that looks like it will fit the Pantera chassis and something I think I can use to test the concept on the dyno but when I'll find the time to complete the project is unknown. > I have heard a handful of anecdotal stories of problems with > Wilkinson?s system Those were the best of the off-the-shelf Pantera exhaust systems we tested due primarily to the mufflers working much better than the original ANSA units. Kelly Coffield's custom stepped 180s were probably the best Pantera exhaust we tested: http://www.the351cforum.com/download/file.php?id=145&sid=28f9f95e76a6e46cbf253c192d9c2e26&mode=view Note the small ID collector works on the 180s because no adjacent firing pulses are paired together in the same collector. The of-the-shelf Pantera 180s I've seen have had way to large of a collector. > I have a pair of headers for 2v heads is someone needs them. I've been slowly gathering 2V parts to test on the dyno. 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I agree with Dan's assessment, based on looking at the way these are put together. Mine had some work done to them to clean them up, and to get rid of the terrible collector. They fit well though. I heard that they originated as boat headers? Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Charles Engles [mailto:cengles at cox.net] Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 5:29 PM To: 'Daniel C Jones' Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] headers Dear Dan, Thanks for the comprehensive factual review. You're building a 390 stroker as the dyno mule engine? No 351C mules? Warmest regards, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Daniel C Jones Sent: Monday, January 07, 2019 6:06 PM Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] headers > IIRC, the Euro GTS headers-exhaust were considered the best although they lost a reported 50 hp It was the ANSA muflers that lost the 50 HP (compared to both Magnaflow mufflers and open headers. Surprisingly, the GTS headers weren't too bad on peak power but gave up a bunch of peak torque (25 to 35 ft-lbs depending upon the engine combination) due to the short primary and collector lengths. That's compared to a conventional Mustang long tube 4-into-1 headers with 1 3/4" diameter primaries and 3" diameter collectors. > I need to purchase a new set for a 4v. Tri wye or big bore. The Euro GTS headers aren't really tri-y headers. They are just 4-into-1 headers with a short tri-y collector. They have primaries that are too big and a collector that is too small but, in our testing, performed a little better than the other 4-into-1 shorty headers we tested with (also too short) conventional collectors. Note that we did not test the Mind Train 4-into-1 headers. I'd stay away from the Hall big bore which had the worst collector. I believe a real 4-2-1 tri-y full length header would gain back that peak torque without sacrificing the peak power. I've got a design that looks like it will fit the Pantera chassis and something I think I can use to test the concept on the dyno but when I'll find the time to complete the project is unknown. > I have heard a handful of anecdotal stories of problems with > Wilkinson?s system Those were the best of the off-the-shelf Pantera exhaust systems we tested due primarily to the mufflers working much better than the original ANSA units. Kelly Coffield's custom stepped 180s were probably the best Pantera exhaust we tested: http://www.the351cforum.com/download/file.php?id=145&sid=28f9f95e76a6e46cbf253c192d9c2e26&mode=view Note the small ID collector works on the 180s because no adjacent firing pulses are paired together in the same collector. The of-the-shelf Pantera 180s I've seen have had way to large of a collector. > I have a pair of headers for 2v heads is someone needs them. I've been slowly gathering 2V parts to test on the dyno. If no one snags them, I might have a use for them once the new dyno 390C is built. Dan Jones -------------- next part -------------- I think that may have been misconstrued, I heard they make good boat anchors Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Chuck and Linda Huber Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 5:13 PM To: 'Charles Engles'; 'Daniel C Jones' Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] headers Here is a picture of the collectors of the "Big Bore" cut off from the merge, and pictures of the inner merge. I agree with Dan's assessment, based on looking at the way these are put together. Mine had some work done to them to clean them up, and to get rid of the terrible collector. They fit well though. I heard that they originated as boat headers? Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Charles Engles [[1]mailto:cengles at cox.net] Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 5:29 PM To: 'Daniel C Jones' Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] headers Dear Dan, Thanks for the comprehensive factual review. You're building a 390 stroker as the dyno mule engine? No 351C mules? Warmest regards, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[2]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Daniel C Jones Sent: Monday, January 07, 2019 6:06 PM Cc: detomaso at detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] headers > IIRC, the Euro GTS headers-exhaust were considered the best although they lost a reported 50 hp It was the ANSA muflers that lost the 50 HP (compared to both Magnaflow mufflers and open headers. Surprisingly, the GTS headers weren't too bad on peak power but gave up a bunch of peak torque (25 to 35 ft-lbs depending upon the engine combination) due to the short primary and collector lengths. That's compared to a conventional Mustang long tube 4-into-1 headers with 1 3/4" diameter primaries and 3" diameter collectors. > I need to purchase a new set for a 4v. Tri wye or big bore. The Euro GTS headers aren't really tri-y headers. They are just 4-into-1 headers with a short tri-y collector. They have primaries that are too big and a collector that is too small but, in our testing, performed a little better than the other 4-into-1 shorty headers we tested with (also too short) conventional collectors. Note that we did not test the Mind Train 4-into-1 headers. I'd stay away from the Hall big bore which had the worst collector. I believe a real 4-2-1 tri-y full length header would gain back that peak torque without sacrificing the peak power. I've got a design that looks like it will fit the Pantera chassis and something I think I can use to test the concept on the dyno but when I'll find the time to complete the project is unknown. > I have heard a handful of anecdotal stories of problems with > Wilkinson's system Those were the best of the off-the-shelf Pantera exhaust systems we tested due primarily to the mufflers working much better than the original ANSA units. Kelly Coffield's custom stepped 180s were probably the best Pantera exhaust we tested: [3]http://www.the351cforum.com/download/file.php?id=145&sid=28f9f95e76a 6e46cbf253c192d9c2e26&mode=view Note the small ID collector works on the 180s because no adjacent firing pulses are paired together in the same collector. The of-the-shelf Pantera 180s I've seen have had way to large of a collector. > I have a pair of headers for 2v heads is someone needs them. I've been slowly gathering 2V parts to test on the dyno. If no one snags them, I might have a use for them once the new dyno 390C is built. Dan Jones References 1. mailto:cengles at cox.net 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 3. http://www.the351cforum.com/download/file.php?id=145&sid=28f9f95e76a6e46cbf253c192d9c2e26&mode=view From mbefthomas at comcast.net Sat Jan 12 20:23:50 2019 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike & Elizabeth Thomas) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 17:23:50 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Collector Car Insurance by Infiniti - Weighing going back to Hagerty In-Reply-To: References: <036701d4aa92$1e8e33d0$5baa9b70$@comcast.net> <8434C874-437E-436F-B33D-EE375D5E74AF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004501d4aade$a425a860$ec70f920$@comcast.net> Thanks Mike. I'm not hearing of anyone with Inifinity. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Drew Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 2:52 PM To: Himes, Terry (397C) Cc: Bobby ; Julian Kift ; Mike & Elizabeth Thomas ; Detomaso Email List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Collector Car Insurance by Infiniti - Weighing going back to Hagerty I have been with heacock (formerly parish) from the start. I have had two claims, both handled extremely professionally and generously. Half the cost of Hagarty. Mike Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 12, 2019, at 09:16, Himes, Terry (397C) via DeTomaso wrote: > > BUT... have you made claims? How did Heacock respond? Any problems? > > I've had Haggerty since 2001. They have paid claims immediately and > were completely professional. I don't mind changing and love to save money, but... > > Terry > > > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid > enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" > > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Dawn Spacecraft Team > Juno Systems & Software Team > TGO Sequence Lead > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > ?? > > > ?On 1/12/19, 9:13 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Bobby" wrote: > > I too had Hagerty for 10 years or so. After a premium increase, I > switched to Heacock for half the price > > Bobby > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 12, 2019, at 9:07 AM, Julian Kift wrote: >> >> I just received my renewal and have been using what was the Barrett >> Jackson endorsed insurance. It used to be underwritten by TDC Risk >> Management, then they got acquired by AIG and run it under their >> Private Client Group, but I still deal with the same folks . They >> approach it slightly differently with two policies one for my >> 'collection' that covers 6 cars the other for the driver piece, but >> on a comparison basis it's about the same as Ed's at $4.40 per >> $1,000 dollars insured, probably skewed a little on mine as I >> accumulated 4 tickets in 4 years. >> >> I remember when I quoted Heacock and they saw the Ultima they were >> quite anal about going within some radius of a racetrack. Even with >> my current insurer I had to sign a waiver that I would not use it >> for timed events, that was some years ago, just as the HPDE craze >> was developing. >> >> Julian >> __________________________________________________________________ >> >> From: DeTomaso on behalf >> of Ed Mendez via DeTomaso >> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 8:22 AM >> To: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas >> Cc: Detomaso Email List >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Collector Car Insurance by Infiniti - >> Weighing going back to Hagerty >> >> My Pantera is insured for $180k and my 94 Mazda Rx7 is insured for >> $45k through Heacock classic car insurance. Combined is $980 per year. >> Hagerty would have been double. >> Just an FYI >> Ed >> Sent from my iPhone X >>>> On Jan 12, 2019, at 10:16, Mike & Elizabeth Thomas >>> wrote: >>> >>> Does anyone else out there use collector car insurance by Infinity? >>> I've had them for a few years and while they are cheaper than >> Hagerty, >>> not able to find much on experience. I plan to drive the car more >> this >>> year when I retire and am considering going back to Hagerty. Did a >>> quote and for my car insured to a stated value of $90K is now >> $919/yr. >>> Wow. But, if something happens and I get shorted on proper repairs >> it >>> will cost a lot more than that. I've never heard anyone complain >> about >>> payouts from Hagerty. >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Mike Thomas >>> >>> Pres., Panteras Northwest >>> >>> 206-795-3302 >>> >>> Yellow '74 #6328 >>> >>> [1]www.panterasnorthwest.com >>> >>> References >>> >>> 1. 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From mbefthomas at comcast.net Sat Jan 12 20:23:50 2019 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike & Elizabeth Thomas) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 17:23:50 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Collector Car Insurance by Infiniti - Weighing going back to Hagerty In-Reply-To: References: <036701d4aa92$1e8e33d0$5baa9b70$@comcast.net> <8434C874-437E-436F-B33D-EE375D5E74AF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004501d4aade$a425a860$ec70f920$@comcast.net> Thanks Mike. I'm not hearing of anyone with Inifinity. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Drew Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 2:52 PM To: Himes, Terry (397C) Cc: Bobby ; Julian Kift ; Mike & Elizabeth Thomas ; Detomaso Email List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Collector Car Insurance by Infiniti - Weighing going back to Hagerty I have been with heacock (formerly parish) from the start. I have had two claims, both handled extremely professionally and generously. Half the cost of Hagarty. Mike Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 12, 2019, at 09:16, Himes, Terry (397C) via DeTomaso wrote: > > BUT... have you made claims? How did Heacock respond? Any problems? > > I've had Haggerty since 2001. They have paid claims immediately and > were completely professional. I don't mind changing and love to save money, but... > > Terry > > > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid > enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" > > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Dawn Spacecraft Team > Juno Systems & Software Team > TGO Sequence Lead > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > ?? > > > ?On 1/12/19, 9:13 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Bobby" wrote: > > I too had Hagerty for 10 years or so. After a premium increase, I > switched to Heacock for half the price > > Bobby > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 12, 2019, at 9:07 AM, Julian Kift wrote: >> >> I just received my renewal and have been using what was the Barrett >> Jackson endorsed insurance. It used to be underwritten by TDC Risk >> Management, then they got acquired by AIG and run it under their >> Private Client Group, but I still deal with the same folks . They >> approach it slightly differently with two policies one for my >> 'collection' that covers 6 cars the other for the driver piece, but >> on a comparison basis it's about the same as Ed's at $4.40 per >> $1,000 dollars insured, probably skewed a little on mine as I >> accumulated 4 tickets in 4 years. >> >> I remember when I quoted Heacock and they saw the Ultima they were >> quite anal about going within some radius of a racetrack. Even with >> my current insurer I had to sign a waiver that I would not use it >> for timed events, that was some years ago, just as the HPDE craze >> was developing. >> >> Julian >> __________________________________________________________________ >> >> From: DeTomaso on behalf >> of Ed Mendez via DeTomaso >> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 8:22 AM >> To: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas >> Cc: Detomaso Email List >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Collector Car Insurance by Infiniti - >> Weighing going back to Hagerty >> >> My Pantera is insured for $180k and my 94 Mazda Rx7 is insured for >> $45k through Heacock classic car insurance. Combined is $980 per year. >> Hagerty would have been double. >> Just an FYI >> Ed >> Sent from my iPhone X >>>> On Jan 12, 2019, at 10:16, Mike & Elizabeth Thomas >>> wrote: >>> >>> Does anyone else out there use collector car insurance by Infinity? >>> I've had them for a few years and while they are cheaper than >> Hagerty, >>> not able to find much on experience. I plan to drive the car more >> this >>> year when I retire and am considering going back to Hagerty. Did a >>> quote and for my car insured to a stated value of $90K is now >> $919/yr. >>> Wow. But, if something happens and I get shorted on proper repairs >> it >>> will cost a lot more than that. I've never heard anyone complain >> about >>> payouts from Hagerty. >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Mike Thomas >>> >>> Pres., Panteras Northwest >>> >>> 206-795-3302 >>> >>> Yellow '74 #6328 >>> >>> [1]www.panterasnorthwest.com >>> >>> References >>> >>> 1. 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From Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov Sat Jan 12 20:24:52 2019 From: Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov (Himes, Terry (397C)) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2019 01:24:52 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes In-Reply-To: <4BDDCC78-E618-4B49-A89C-9797ABB4B252@verizon.net> References: <1958430C-9386-43EE-BD2D-1B1612B67C60@scottmeadphotography.com> <4BDDCC78-E618-4B49-A89C-9797ABB4B252@verizon.net> Message-ID: Can we get the full specs of the car. $132k is great! "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Juno Systems & Software Team TGO Sequence Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov ?? ?On 1/12/19, 1:12 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ray Pascarella" wrote: Looks like it hammered at $132,000. Congrats Scott. 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From billmoore6480 at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 20:53:50 2019 From: billmoore6480 at gmail.com (billmoore6480) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 18:53:50 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5c3a9a33.1c69fb81.d0f4a.11b9@mx.google.com> 132...... but what did the seller get Bill Moore?403-860-4300Calgary, Alberta -------- Original message --------From: "Himes, Terry (397C) via DeTomaso" Date: 2019-01-12 6:24 PM (GMT-07:00) To: Ray Pascarella , Scott Mead Photography Cc: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes Can we get the full specs of the car.? $132k is great! "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Juno Systems & Software Team TGO Sequence Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell:???? 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- 132...... but what did the seller get Bill Moore 403-860-4300 Calgary, Alberta -------- Original message -------- From: "Himes, Terry (397C) via DeTomaso" Date: 2019-01-12 6:24 PM (GMT-07:00) To: Ray Pascarella , Scott Mead Photography Cc: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes Can we get the full specs of the car. $132k is great! "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Juno Systems & Software Team TGO Sequence Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov On 1/12/19, 1:12 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ray Pascarella" wrote: Looks like it hammered at $132,000. Congrats Scott. 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From julian_kift at hotmail.com Sat Jan 12 21:07:22 2019 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2019 02:07:22 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes In-Reply-To: <5c3a9a33.1c69fb81.d0f4a.11b9@mx.google.com> References: , <5c3a9a33.1c69fb81.d0f4a.11b9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hammered at $120K + $12K buyer premium Listing fee for a Star car on Saturday is around $1,500 for the spot, the sellers fees are dependent on the spot/day you select but typically 8%, so seller gets roughly $109K out of it after all his fees, not including his cost of transport to the auction. Once yous tart reading the terms & conditions fine print it gets interesting like auctioneer is entitled to place bids up to reserve amount i.e. they employ shill bidders to get cars up to reserve! ________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of billmoore6480 Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 5:53 PM To: Himes, Terry (397C); Ray Pascarella; Scott Mead Photography Cc: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes 132...... but what did the seller get Bill Moore 403-860-4300Calgary, Alberta -------- Original message --------From: "Himes, Terry (397C) via DeTomaso" Date: 2019-01-12 6:24 PM (GMT-07:00) To: Ray Pascarella , Scott Mead Photography Cc: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes Can we get the full specs of the car. $132k is great! "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Juno Systems & Software Team TGO Sequence Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov ?? ?On 1/12/19, 1:12 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ray Pascarella" wrote: Looks like it hammered at $132,000. Congrats Scott. Sent from my iPad > On Jan 12, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Scott Mead Photography wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Hammered at $120K + $12K buyer premium Listing fee for a Star car on Saturday is around $1,500 for the spot, the sellers fees are dependent on the spot/day you select but typically 8%, so seller gets roughly $109K out of it after all his fees, not including his cost of transport to the auction. Once yous tart reading the terms & conditions fine print it gets interesting like auctioneer is entitled to place bids up to reserve amount i.e. they employ shill bidders to get cars up to reserve! __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of billmoore6480 Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 5:53 PM To: Himes, Terry (397C); Ray Pascarella; Scott Mead Photography Cc: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes 132...... but what did the seller get Bill Moore 403-860-4300Calgary, Alberta -------- Original message --------From: "Himes, Terry (397C) via DeTomaso" Date: 2019-01-12 6:24 PM (GMT-07:00) To: Ray Pascarella , Scott Mead Photography Cc: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes Can we get the full specs of the car. $132k is great! "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Juno Systems & Software Team TGO Sequence Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov On 1/12/19, 1:12 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ray Pascarella" wrote: Looks like it hammered at $132,000. Congrats Scott. Sent from my iPad > On Jan 12, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Scott Mead Photography wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [1]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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References 1. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From davel at trguys.com Sat Jan 12 21:07:20 2019 From: davel at trguys.com (Dave Londry) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 18:07:20 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes In-Reply-To: <5c3a9a33.1c69fb81.d0f4a.11b9@mx.google.com> References: <5c3a9a33.1c69fb81.d0f4a.11b9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Be $120K I think Bill. dave On 2019-01-12 5:53 p.m., billmoore6480 wrote: > 132...... but what did the seller get > > Bill Moore > > 403-860-4300 > > Calgary, Alberta > > -------- Original message -------- > From: "Himes, Terry (397C) via DeTomaso" > > Date: 2019-01-12 6:24 PM (GMT-07:00) > To: Ray Pascarella , Scott Mead Photography > > Cc: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes > > Can we get the full specs of the car. $132k is great! > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, > stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Dawn Spacecraft Team > Juno Systems & Software Team > TGO Sequence Lead > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > On 1/12/19, 1:12 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ray Pascarella" > clk55amg at verizon.net> wrote: > Looks like it hammered at $132,000. Congrats Scott. > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Jan 12, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Scott Mead Photography > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) use the links above. > > > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to > forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members > of the list. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -- Dave Londry TRGuys.com davel at trguys.com Cell 604-721-2278 Landline 604-589-9182 Skype embeddedspaces -------------- next part -------------- Be $120K I think Bill. dave On 2019-01-12 5:53 p.m., billmoore6480 wrote: 132...... but what did the seller get Bill Moore 403-860-4300 Calgary, Alberta -------- Original message -------- From: "Himes, Terry (397C) via DeTomaso" [1] Date: 2019-01-12 6:24 PM (GMT-07:00) To: Ray Pascarella [2], Scott Mead Photography [3] Cc: [4]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes Can we get the full specs of the car. $132k is great! "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Juno Systems & Software Team TGO Sequence Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 [5]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov On 1/12/19, 1:12 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ray Pascarella" [6] wrote: Looks like it hammered at $132,000. Congrats Scott. Sent from my iPad > On Jan 12, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Scott Mead Photography [7] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [8]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [9]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of lis t messages. -- Dave Londry TRGuys.com [16]davel at trguys.com Cell 604-721-2278 Landline 604-589-9182 Skype embeddedspaces References 1. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 2. mailto:clk55amg at verizon.net 3. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com 4. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 5. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 6. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.comonbehalfofclk55amg@verizon.net 7. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com 8. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 9. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 10. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 11. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 12. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 13. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 14. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 15. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 16. mailto:davel at trguys.com From stevelisa at patentit.com Sat Jan 12 21:07:16 2019 From: stevelisa at patentit.com (Steve Lisa) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 19:07:16 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes In-Reply-To: <5c3a9a33.1c69fb81.d0f4a.11b9@mx.google.com> References: <5c3a9a33.1c69fb81.d0f4a.11b9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I believe its a 10% seller's commission, plus the listing fee. So about 132-13=about 120. Regards, Steven G. Lisa, Esq. *The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC* Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com Direct: 312-320-5888 www.PatentIt.com *Scottsdale Office* | *P*: 480.535.6656 | *F:* 480.535.6628 | *A:* 7689 East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260 *Chicago Office *|* P:* 312.752.4357 | *F:* 312.896.5633 | *A:* 55 E. Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603 This email is intended only for the recipient above and may contain confidential and privileged information. If you received this email in error, please destroy it and indicate such by return email to me. Thank you. On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 6:54 PM billmoore6480 wrote: > 132...... but what did the seller get > > Bill Moore > > 403-860-4300 > > Calgary, Alberta > > -------- Original message -------- > From: "Himes, Terry (397C) via DeTomaso" > > Date: 2019-01-12 6:24 PM (GMT-07:00) > To: Ray Pascarella , Scott Mead Photography > > Cc: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes > > Can we get the full specs of the car. $132k is great! > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, > stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Dawn Spacecraft Team > Juno Systems & Software Team > TGO Sequence Lead > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > On 1/12/19, 1:12 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ray Pascarella" > clk55amg at verizon.net> wrote: > Looks like it hammered at $132,000. Congrats Scott. > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Jan 12, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Scott Mead Photography > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) use the links above. > > > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to > forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members > of the list. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages. > > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages. > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- I believe its a 10% seller's commission, plus the listing fee.A So about 132-13=about 120. Regards,A Steven G. Lisa, Esq. 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On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 6:54 PM billmoore6480 <[2]billmoore6480 at gmail.com> wrote: A A 132...... but what did the seller get A A Bill Moore A A 403-860-4300 A A Calgary, Alberta A A -------- Original message -------- A A From: "Himes, Terry (397C) via DeTomaso" A A <[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> A A Date: 2019-01-12 6:24 PM (GMT-07:00) A A To: Ray Pascarella <[4]clk55amg at verizon.net>, Scott Mead Photography A A <[5]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> A A Cc: [6]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes A A Can we get the full specs of the car.A $132k is great! A A "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, A A stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" A A Terry W. Himes A A JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory A A Dawn Spacecraft Team A A Juno Systems & Software Team A A TGO Sequence Lead A A Phone: (818) 393-6261 A A Cell:A A A (818) 653-8213 A A [7]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov A A On 1/12/19, 1:12 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ray Pascarella" A A <[8]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of A A [9]clk55amg at verizon.net> wrote: A A A A Looks like it hammered at $132,000.A Congrats Scott. A A A A Sent from my iPad A A A A > On Jan 12, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Scott Mead Photography A A <[10]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote: A A A A > A A A A > A A A A > A A A A > A A A A > A A A A > A A A A > A A A A > A A A A > A A A A > A A A A > Sent from my iPhone A A A A > _______________________________________________ A A A A > A A A A > A A A A > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA A A A A > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes A A A A > DeTomaso mailing list A A A A > [11]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com A A A A > [12]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso A A A A > A A A A > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, A A etc.) use the links above. A A A A > A A A A > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to A A forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members A A of the list. 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References 1. http://www.patentit.com/ 2. mailto:billmoore6480 at gmail.com 3. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 4. mailto:clk55amg at verizon.net 5. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com 6. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 7. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 8. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 9. mailto:clk55amg at verizon.net 10. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com 11. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 12. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 13. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 14. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 15. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 16. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 17. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 18. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From julian_kift at hotmail.com Sat Jan 12 21:20:20 2019 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2019 02:20:20 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes In-Reply-To: References: <5c3a9a33.1c69fb81.d0f4a.11b9@mx.google.com>, Message-ID: Except the $132k is inclusive of the 10% buyers premium, the car sold hammered for $120K, that is what the seller will be paid on less his 8-10% cost. The auction houses are making 20% of every sale. Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Steve Lisa Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 6:07 PM To: billmoore6480 Cc: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes I believe its a 10% seller's commission, plus the listing fee. So about 132-13=about 120. Regards, Steven G. Lisa, Esq. *The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC* Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com Direct: 312-320-5888 www.PatentIt.com *Scottsdale Office* | *P*: 480.535.6656 | *F:* 480.535.6628 | *A:* 7689 East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260 *Chicago Office *|* P:* 312.752.4357 | *F:* 312.896.5633 | *A:* 55 E. Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603 This email is intended only for the recipient above and may contain confidential and privileged information. If you received this email in error, please destroy it and indicate such by return email to me. Thank you. On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 6:54 PM billmoore6480 wrote: > 132...... but what did the seller get > > Bill Moore > > 403-860-4300 > > Calgary, Alberta > > -------- Original message -------- > From: "Himes, Terry (397C) via DeTomaso" > > Date: 2019-01-12 6:24 PM (GMT-07:00) > To: Ray Pascarella , Scott Mead Photography > > Cc: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes > > Can we get the full specs of the car. $132k is great! > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, > stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Dawn Spacecraft Team > Juno Systems & Software Team > TGO Sequence Lead > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > On 1/12/19, 1:12 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ray Pascarella" > clk55amg at verizon.net> wrote: > Looks like it hammered at $132,000. Congrats Scott. > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Jan 12, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Scott Mead Photography > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) use the links above. > > > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to > forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members > of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an > archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages. > > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages. > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Except the $132k is inclusive of the 10% buyers premium, the car sold hammered for $120K, that is what the seller will be paid on less his 8-10% cost. The auction houses are making 20% of every sale. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Steve Lisa Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 6:07 PM To: billmoore6480 Cc: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes I believe its a 10% seller's commission, plus the listing fee. So about 132-13=about 120. Regards, Steven G. Lisa, Esq. *The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC* Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com Direct: 312-320-5888 [1]www.PatentIt.com <[2]http://www.patentit.com/> *Scottsdale Office* | *P*: 480.535.6656 | *F:* 480.535.6628 | *A:* 7689 East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260 *Chicago Office *|* P:* 312.752.4357 | *F:* 312.896.5633 | *A:* 55 E. Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603 This email is intended only for the recipient above and may contain confidential and privileged information. If you received this email in error, please destroy it and indicate such by return email to me. Thank you. On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 6:54 PM billmoore6480 wrote: > 132...... but what did the seller get > > Bill Moore > > 403-860-4300 > > Calgary, Alberta > > -------- Original message -------- > From: "Himes, Terry (397C) via DeTomaso" > > Date: 2019-01-12 6:24 PM (GMT-07:00) > To: Ray Pascarella , Scott Mead Photography > > Cc: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes > > Can we get the full specs of the car. $132k is great! > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, > stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Dawn Spacecraft Team > Juno Systems & Software Team > TGO Sequence Lead > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > On 1/12/19, 1:12 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ray Pascarella" > clk55amg at verizon.net> wrote: > Looks like it hammered at $132,000. Congrats Scott. > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Jan 12, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Scott Mead Photography > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > > [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) use the links above. > > > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to > forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members > of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an > archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages. > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. References 1. http://www.PatentIt.com/ 2. http://www.patentit.com/ 3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 5. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From billmoore6480 at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 21:31:28 2019 From: billmoore6480 at gmail.com (billmoore6480) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 19:31:28 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5c3aa37c.1c69fb81.56633.fb2e@mx.google.com> Not a good # for a GT5-S recreation haha..?Comeonman? Bill Moore?403-860-4300Calgary, Alberta -------- Original message --------From: Julian Kift Date: 2019-01-12 7:20 PM (GMT-07:00) To: Steve Lisa , billmoore6480 Cc: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes Except the $132k is inclusive of the 10% buyers premium, the car sold hammered for $120K, that is what the seller will be paid on less his 8-10% cost. The auction houses are making 20% of every sale. Julian From: DeTomaso on behalf of Steve Lisa Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 6:07 PM To: billmoore6480 Cc: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes ? I believe its a 10% seller's commission, plus the listing fee.? So about 132-13=about 120. Regards, Steven G. Lisa, Esq. *The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC* Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com Direct: 312-320-5888 www.PatentIt.com *Scottsdale Office* | *P*: 480.535.6656? |? *F:* 480.535.6628? |? *A:* 7689 East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260 *Chicago Office *|* P:* 312.752.4357? |? *F:* 312.896.5633? |? *A:* 55 E. Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603 This email is intended only for the recipient above and may contain confidential and privileged information. If you received this email in error, please destroy it and indicate such by return email to me. Thank you. On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 6:54 PM billmoore6480 wrote: >??? 132...... but what did the seller get > >??? Bill Moore > >??? 403-860-4300 > >??? Calgary, Alberta > >??? -------- Original message -------- >??? From: "Himes, Terry (397C) via DeTomaso" >??? >??? Date: 2019-01-12 6:24 PM (GMT-07:00) >??? To: Ray Pascarella , Scott Mead Photography >??? >??? Cc: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >??? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes > >??? Can we get the full specs of the car.? $132k is great! >??? "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, >??? stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" >??? Terry W. Himes >??? JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory >??? Dawn Spacecraft Team >??? Juno Systems & Software Team >??? TGO Sequence Lead >??? Phone: (818) 393-6261 >??? Cell:???? (818) 653-8213 >??? thimes at jpl.nasa.gov >??? On 1/12/19, 1:12 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ray Pascarella" >??? ??? clk55amg at verizon.net> wrote: >??????? Looks like it hammered at $132,000.? Congrats Scott. > >??????? Sent from my iPad > >??????? > On Jan 12, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Scott Mead Photography >??? wrote: >??????? > >??????? > >??????? > >??????? > >??????? > >??????? > >??????? > >??????? > >??????? > >??????? > >??????? > Sent from my iPhone >??????? > _______________________________________________ >??????? > >??????? > >??????? > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >??????? > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >??????? > DeTomaso mailing list >??????? > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >??????? > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >??????? > >??????? > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, >??? etc.) use the links above. >??????? > >??????? > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to >??? forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members >??? of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an >??? archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > >??????? _______________________________________________ > > >??????? Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >??????? Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >??????? DeTomaso mailing list >??????? DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >??????? http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > >??????? To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, >??? etc.) use the links above. > >??????? Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >??? any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >??? list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive >??? or approve the archiving of list messages. > >??? _______________________________________________ >??? Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >??? Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >??? DeTomaso mailing list >??? DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >??? http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >??? To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >??? use the links above. >??? Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >??? message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >??? list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive >??? or approve the archiving of list messages. > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Not a good # for a GT5-S recreation haha.. Comeonman Bill Moore 403-860-4300 Calgary, Alberta -------- Original message -------- From: Julian Kift Date: 2019-01-12 7:20 PM (GMT-07:00) To: Steve Lisa , billmoore6480 Cc: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes Except the $132k is inclusive of the 10% buyers premium, the car sold hammered for $120K, that is what the seller will be paid on less his 8-10% cost. The auction houses are making 20% of every sale. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Steve Lisa Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 6:07 PM To: billmoore6480 Cc: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes I believe its a 10% seller's commission, plus the listing fee. So about 132-13=about 120. Regards, Steven G. Lisa, Esq. *The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC* Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com Direct: 312-320-5888 [1]www.PatentIt.com <[2]http://www.patentit.com/> *Scottsdale Office* | *P*: 480.535.6656 | *F:* 480.535.6628 | *A:* 7689 East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260 *Chicago Office *|* P:* 312.752.4357 | *F:* 312.896.5633 | *A:* 55 E. Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603 This email is intended only for the recipient above and may contain confidential and privileged information. If you received this email in error, please destroy it and indicate such by return email to me. Thank you. On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 6:54 PM billmoore6480 wrote: > 132...... but what did the seller get > > Bill Moore > > 403-860-4300 > > Calgary, Alberta > > -------- Original message -------- > From: "Himes, Terry (397C) via DeTomaso" > > Date: 2019-01-12 6:24 PM (GMT-07:00) > To: Ray Pascarella , Scott Mead Photography > > Cc: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes > > Can we get the full specs of the car. $132k is great! > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, > stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Dawn Spacecraft Team > Juno Systems & Software Team > TGO Sequence Lead > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > On 1/12/19, 1:12 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ray Pascarella" > clk55amg at verizon.net> wrote: > Looks like it hammered at $132,000. Congrats Scott. > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Jan 12, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Scott Mead Photography > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > > [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) use the links above. > > > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to > forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members > of the list. 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References 1. http://www.PatentIt.com/ 2. http://www.patentit.com/ 3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 5. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From cengles at cox.net Sat Jan 12 21:50:38 2019 From: cengles at cox.net (Charles Engles) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 20:50:38 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: deck struts/lifts Message-ID: <008401d4aaea$c3f96e40$4bec4ac0$@cox.net> Dear Forum, Given all the activity from the great minds posting tonight, I have an esoteric trivial question about the stock rear deck struts or their modern replacements: Does anyone have the specs for the proper force in Newtons (or any other unit) for deck struts on a stock deck and/or a deck with a spoiler? Curious, Chuck Engles -------------- next part -------------- Dear Forum, Given all the activity from the great minds posting tonight, I have an esoteric trivial question about the stock rear deck struts or their modern replacements: Does anyone have the specs for the proper force in Newtons (or any other unit) for deck struts on a stock deck and/or a deck with a spoiler? Curious, Chuck Engles From stevelisa at patentit.com Sat Jan 12 23:26:52 2019 From: stevelisa at patentit.com (Steve Lisa) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 21:26:52 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes In-Reply-To: <5c3aa37c.1c69fb81.56633.fb2e@mx.google.com> References: <5c3aa37c.1c69fb81.56633.fb2e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Right, if it hammered at $120, minus 10% is $108. My bad. There are 3 going at Russo. Will be interesting. Regards, Steven G. 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On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 7:33 PM billmoore6480 wrote: > Not a good # for a GT5-S recreation haha.. > Comeonman > > > > Bill Moore > 403-860-4300 > Calgary, Alberta > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Julian Kift > Date: 2019-01-12 7:20 PM (GMT-07:00) > To: Steve Lisa , billmoore6480 < > billmoore6480 at gmail.com> > Cc: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes > > Except the $132k is inclusive of the 10% buyers premium, the car sold > hammered for $120K, that is what the seller will be paid on less his 8-10% > cost. The auction houses are making 20% of every sale. > > Julian > > ------------------------------ > *From:* DeTomaso on behalf of > Steve Lisa > *Sent:* Saturday, January 12, 2019 6:07 PM > *To:* billmoore6480 > *Cc:* DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes > > I believe its a 10% seller's commission, plus the listing fee. So about > 132-13=about 120. > > Regards, > > Steven G. Lisa, Esq. > *The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC* > Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com > Direct: 312-320-5888 > > www.PatentIt.com > > *Scottsdale Office* | *P*: 480.535.6656 | *F:* 480.535.6628 | *A:* 7689 > East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260 > > *Chicago Office *|* P:* 312.752.4357 | *F:* 312.896.5633 | *A:* 55 E. > Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603 > This email is intended only for the recipient above and may contain > confidential and privileged information. If you received this email in > error, please destroy it and indicate such by return email to me. Thank > you. > > > > On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 6:54 PM billmoore6480 > wrote: > > > 132...... but what did the seller get > > > > Bill Moore > > > > 403-860-4300 > > > > Calgary, Alberta > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: "Himes, Terry (397C) via DeTomaso" > > > > Date: 2019-01-12 6:24 PM (GMT-07:00) > > To: Ray Pascarella , Scott Mead Photography > > > > Cc: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes > > > > Can we get the full specs of the car. $132k is great! > > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, > > stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" > > Terry W. Himes > > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > > Dawn Spacecraft Team > > Juno Systems & Software Team > > TGO Sequence Lead > > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > > thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > > On 1/12/19, 1:12 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ray Pascarella" > > > clk55amg at verizon.net> wrote: > > Looks like it hammered at $132,000. Congrats Scott. > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > On Jan 12, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Scott Mead Photography > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > > > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > > > DeTomaso mailing list > > > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > > > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > > > > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > > etc.) use the links above. > > > > > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to > > forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future > members > > of the list. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > > or approve the archiving of list messages. > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > > the links above. > > > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or > approve > > the archiving of list messages. > -------------- next part -------------- Right, if it hammered at $120, minus 10% is $108. My bad.A There are 3 going at Russo. Will be interesting. Regards,A Steven G. Lisa, Esq. 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On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 7:33 PM billmoore6480 <[2]billmoore6480 at gmail.com> wrote: Not a good # for a GT5-S recreation haha..A ComeonmanA Bill MooreA 403-860-4300 Calgary, Alberta -------- Original message -------- From: Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift at hotmail.com> Date: 2019-01-12 7:20 PM (GMT-07:00) To: Steve Lisa <[4]stevelisa at patentit.com>, billmoore6480 <[5]billmoore6480 at gmail.com> Cc: [6]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes Except the $132k is inclusive of the 10% buyers premium, the car sold hammered for $120K, that is what the seller will be paid on less his 8-10% cost. The auction houses are making 20% of every sale. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <[7]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Steve Lisa <[8]stevelisa at patentit.com> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 6:07 PM To: billmoore6480 Cc: [9]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes A I believe its a 10% seller's commission, plus the listing fee.A So about 132-13=about 120. Regards, Steven G. Lisa, Esq. *The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC* Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com Direct: 312-320-5888 [10]www.PatentIt.com <[11]http://www.patentit.com/> *Scottsdale Office* | *P*: 480.535.6656A |A *F:* 480.535.6628A |A *A:* 7689 East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260 *Chicago Office *|* P:* 312.752.4357A |A *F:* 312.896.5633A |A *A:* 55 E. Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603 This email is intended only for the recipient above and may contain confidential and privileged information. If you received this email in error, please destroy it and indicate such by return email to me. Thank you. On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 6:54 PM billmoore6480 <[12]billmoore6480 at gmail.com> wrote: >A A A 132...... but what did the seller get > >A A A Bill Moore > >A A A 403-860-4300 > >A A A Calgary, Alberta > >A A A -------- Original message -------- >A A A From: "Himes, Terry (397C) via DeTomaso" >A A A <[13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> >A A A Date: 2019-01-12 6:24 PM (GMT-07:00) >A A A To: Ray Pascarella <[14]clk55amg at verizon.net>, Scott Mead Photography >A A A <[15]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> >A A A Cc: [16]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes > >A A A Can we get the full specs of the car.A $132k is great! >A A A "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, >A A A stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" >A A A Terry W. 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References 1. http://www.patentit.com/ 2. mailto:billmoore6480 at gmail.com 3. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 4. mailto:stevelisa at patentit.com 5. mailto:billmoore6480 at gmail.com 6. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 7. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 8. mailto:stevelisa at patentit.com 9. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 10. http://www.PatentIt.com/ 11. http://www.patentit.com/ 12. mailto:billmoore6480 at gmail.com 13. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 14. mailto:clk55amg at verizon.net 15. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com 16. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 17. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 18. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 19. mailto:clk55amg at verizon.net 20. mailto:scott at scottmeadphotography.com 21. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 22. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 23. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 24. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 25. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 26. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 27. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 28. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From julian_kift at hotmail.com Sun Jan 13 00:36:57 2019 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2019 05:36:57 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: deck struts/lifts In-Reply-To: <008401d4aaea$c3f96e40$4bec4ac0$@cox.net> References: <008401d4aaea$c3f96e40$4bec4ac0$@cox.net> Message-ID: Dear Chuck, This is one of those ambiguous questions where I fear asking 4 forum members would get you 5 opinions! There is sticky on the PI forum that contains 5 pages of decklid shock discussion, wading through that you will deduce the following; For a non wing car an 88lbs force strut has been verified by Strongarm and Autozone as correct for the application, folks report using an Autozone Mighty-Lift D95004 106lbs force strut on winged cars with success, albeit the cheap struts seem to fail with regularity. The recommendation is to not go higher than 106lbs but if you experience sag use a prop in the form of a piece of PVC tube with one third cut out length wise to pop over the extended piston. There are also small clamps in use but I personally think the piston rods are susceptible to marring and then tear the seals on closure leading to premature failure. The fulcrum that the stock mounting provides is less than ideal and stresses the decklid. My GT5 (no wing) had no shocks for the longest time as any and all those tried forced the deckild to catch the lip on the roof and chip the paint, so I am now and advocate of and highly recommend the IPSCO system that relocates the mounting points to a more reasonable effort. https://ipsco.org//Pantera%20Parts/Rear%20Deck%20Lid%20Shock%20Kit.htm Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Charles Engles Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 6:50 PM To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: deck struts/lifts Dear Forum, Given all the activity from the great minds posting tonight, I have an esoteric trivial question about the stock rear deck struts or their modern replacements: Does anyone have the specs for the proper force in Newtons (or any other unit) for deck struts on a stock deck and/or a deck with a spoiler? Curious, Chuck Engles -------------- next part -------------- Dear Chuck, This is one of those ambiguous questions where I fear asking 4 forum members would get you 5 opinions! There is sticky on the PI forum that contains 5 pages of decklid shock discussion, wading through that you will deduce the following; For a non wing car an 88lbs force strut has been verified by Strongarm and Autozone as correct for the application, folks report using an Autozone Mighty-Lift D95004 106lbs force strut on winged cars with success, albeit the cheap struts seem to fail with regularity. The recommendation is to not go higher than 106lbs but if you experience sag use a prop in the form of a piece of PVC tube with one third cut out length wise to pop over the extended piston. There are also small clamps in use but I personally think the piston rods are susceptible to marring and then tear the seals on closure leading to premature failure. The fulcrum that the stock mounting provides is less than ideal and stresses the decklid. My GT5 (no wing) had no shocks for the longest time as any and all those tried forced the deckild to catch the lip on the roof and chip the paint, so I am now and advocate of and highly recommend the IPSCO system that relocates the mounting points to a more reasonable effort. [1]https://ipsco.org//Pantera%20Parts/Rear%20Deck%20Lid%20Shock%20Kit.h tm Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Charles Engles Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 6:50 PM To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: deck struts/lifts Dear Forum, Given all the activity from the great minds posting tonight, I have an esoteric trivial question about the stock rear deck struts or their modern replacements: Does anyone have the specs for the proper force in Newtons (or any other unit) for deck struts on a stock deck and/or a deck with a spoiler? Curious, Chuck Engles References 1. https://ipsco.org//Pantera%20Parts/Rear%20Deck%20Lid%20Shock%20Kit.htm From kenn_green at yahoo.com Sun Jan 13 01:01:08 2019 From: kenn_green at yahoo.com (Ken Green) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2019 06:01:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine In-Reply-To: <846474807.17651591.1547339257552@mail.yahoo.com> References: <846474807.17651591.1547339257552.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <846474807.17651591.1547339257552@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1382140972.17715782.1547359268794@mail.yahoo.com> A safety feature so cars know they are there? From: Pantdino via DeTomaso To: audionut at mediacombb.net; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine ? As I read it, motorcycles are specifically exempt from this restriction ? And they are the worst offenders ? Jim ? -----Original Message----- ? From: audionut motonut ? To: detomaso ? Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2019 1:22 pm ? 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- A safety feature so cars know they are there? __________________________________________________________________ From: Pantdino via DeTomaso To: audionut at mediacombb.net; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine As I read it, motorcycles are specifically exempt from this restriction And they are the worst offenders Jim -----Original Message----- From: audionut motonut <[1]audionut at mediacombb.net> To: detomaso <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2019 1:22 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine As a motorcycle guy, my impression is that this law has it's origins in the infernal racket made by Harley guys who run open pipes. Enforcement will likely be directed at them and not so much at cars. But we shall see. So far I haven't heard of (or seen) anybody getting a ticket for loud exhaust, car or motorcycle. __________________________________________________________________ From: "Ken Green via DeTomaso" <[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> To: "List DeTomaso Forum" <[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 3:21:39 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine How loud is 95dB? Three Ways To Beat California's Absurd New Exhaust Law | | | | | | | | | | | Three Ways To Beat California's Absurd New Exhaust Law We offer three solutions to getting around California's crazy new exhaust law. 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References 1. mailto:audionut at mediacombb.net 2. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 3. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 4. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 5. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 7. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 8. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 9. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 10. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From MikeLDrew at aol.com Sun Jan 13 01:10:34 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 22:10:34 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes In-Reply-To: <5c3aa37c.1c69fb81.56633.fb2e@mx.google.com> References: <5c3aa37c.1c69fb81.56633.fb2e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5DC4CFE0-5B16-443C-9CB9-BC904C9EF3B3@aol.com> ...and meanwhile the Amerisport GT5-S was a no-sale at $180k. The estimate was much higher, $275-325k based no doubt on recent sales in Europe. Mike Sent from my iPad > On Jan 12, 2019, at 18:31, billmoore6480 wrote: > > Not a good # for a GT5-S recreation haha.. > > Comeonman > > Bill Moore > > 403-860-4300 > > Calgary, Alberta > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Julian Kift > Date: 2019-01-12 7:20 PM (GMT-07:00) > To: Steve Lisa , billmoore6480 > > Cc: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes > > Except the $132k is inclusive of the 10% buyers premium, the car sold > hammered for $120K, that is what the seller will be paid on less his > 8-10% cost. The auction houses are making 20% of every sale. > > Julian > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: DeTomaso on behalf of > Steve Lisa > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 6:07 PM > To: billmoore6480 > Cc: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes > > I believe its a 10% seller's commission, plus the listing fee. So > about > 132-13=about 120. > Regards, > Steven G. Lisa, Esq. > *The Law Offices of Lisa & Lesko, LLC* > Email: SteveLisa at PatentIt.com > Direct: 312-320-5888 > [1]www.PatentIt.com <[2]http://www.patentit.com/> > *Scottsdale Office* | *P*: 480.535.6656 | *F:* 480.535.6628 | *A:* > 7689 > East Paradise Lane, Suite 2, Scottsdale, AZ 85260 > *Chicago Office *|* P:* 312.752.4357 | *F:* 312.896.5633 | *A:* 55 > E. > Monroe Street, Suite 3800, Chicago, IL 60603 > This email is intended only for the recipient above and may contain > confidential and privileged information. If you received this email in > error, please destroy it and indicate such by return email to me. Thank > you. > On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 6:54 PM billmoore6480 > wrote: >> 132...... but what did the seller get >> >> Bill Moore >> >> 403-860-4300 >> >> Calgary, Alberta >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: "Himes, Terry (397C) via DeTomaso" >> >> Date: 2019-01-12 6:24 PM (GMT-07:00) >> To: Ray Pascarella , Scott Mead Photography >> >> Cc: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] In the Kissimmee Staging Lanes >> >> Can we get the full specs of the car. $132k is great! >> "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, >> stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" >> Terry W. Himes >> JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory >> Dawn Spacecraft Team >> Juno Systems & Software Team >> TGO Sequence Lead >> Phone: (818) 393-6261 >> Cell: (818) 653-8213 >> thimes at jpl.nasa.gov >> On 1/12/19, 1:12 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ray Pascarella" >> > clk55amg at verizon.net> wrote: >> Looks like it hammered at $132,000. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From jderyke at aol.com Sun Jan 13 03:24:37 2019 From: jderyke at aol.com (jderyke at aol.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2019 08:24:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: deck struts/lifts References: <1158755596.435231.1547367877424.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1158755596.435231.1547367877424@mail.yahoo.com> IMHO, if you cannot get the decklid to stay open with two stock struts, you have added way too much weight back there! Stock rebuilt or small OD aftermarket struts are available. I can't give you anything but pounds of force as applied at the strut end. Some vendors will not sell any strut that applies more than about 100 lbs due to decklid hinge-bending and sheet metal distortion both in the decklid and the roof. Of course, we double that force with two struts. You can check strut strength with a bathroom scales and a thick piece of steel laying on it, so high force in a small area doesn't bend the thin top plate of the scales. Push down with a press and read the scale. Perhaps the best solution is/was Ted Mitchell's true bolt-on-no-weld system used a coil spring linkage similar to what held up those gigantic late '50s/early '60s front car hoods. Few bought his pricey system and now Ted is gone. No one has repro-ed Ted's system. -----Original Message----- From: Charles Engles To: detomaso Sent: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 18:50 Subject: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: deck struts/lifts ? Dear Forum, ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Given all the activity from the great minds posting ? tonight, I have an esoteric trivial question about the stock rear deck ? struts or their modern replacements: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Does anyone have the specs for the proper ? force in Newtons (or any other unit) for deck struts on a stock deck ? and/or a deck with a spoiler? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Curious,? Chuck Engles _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- IMHO, if you cannot get the decklid to stay open with two stock struts, you have added way too much weight back there! Stock rebuilt or small OD aftermarket struts are available. I can't give you anything but pounds of force as applied at the strut end. Some vendors will not sell any strut that applies more than about 100 lbs due to decklid hinge-bending and sheet metal distortion both in the decklid and the roof. Of course, we double that force with two struts. You can check strut strength with a bathroom scales and a thick piece of steel laying on it, so high force in a small area doesn't bend the thin top plate of the scales. Push down with a press and read the scale. Perhaps the best solution is/was Ted Mitchell's true bolt-on-no-weld system used a coil spring linkage similar to what held up those gigantic late '50s/early '60s front car hoods. Few bought his pricey system and now Ted is gone. No one has repro-ed Ted's system. -----Original Message----- From: Charles Engles To: detomaso Sent: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 18:50 Subject: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: deck struts/lifts Dear Forum, Given all the activity from the great minds posting tonight, I have an esoteric trivial question about the stock rear deck struts or their modern replacements: Does anyone have the specs for the proper force in Newtons (or any other unit) for deck struts on a stock deck and/or a deck with a spoiler? Curious, Chuck Engles _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [1]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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References 1. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From thomas at hax.se Sun Jan 13 03:55:11 2019 From: thomas at hax.se (=?utf-8?Q?Thomas_T=C3=B6rnblom?=) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2019 09:55:11 +0100 Subject: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: deck struts/lifts In-Reply-To: References: <008401d4aaea$c3f96e40$4bec4ac0$@cox.net> Message-ID: <9D8C3421-99C1-40C9-8A59-BEFC3FF099F3@hax.se> Here?s the cross reference from the Swedish club. http://www.detomaso.nu/korsreferens/parts/21420783.html I?m using the Toyota struts with my winged GT5. > 13 jan. 2019 kl. 06:36 skrev Julian Kift : > > Dear Chuck, > > This is one of those ambiguous questions where I fear asking 4 forum > members would get you 5 opinions! There is sticky on the PI forum that > contains 5 pages of decklid shock discussion, wading through that you > will deduce the following; For a non wing car an 88lbs force strut has > been verified by Strongarm and Autozone as correct for the application, > folks report using an Autozone Mighty-Lift D95004 106lbs force strut on > winged cars with success, albeit the cheap struts seem to fail with > regularity. The recommendation is to not go higher than 106lbs but if > you experience sag use a prop in the form of a piece of PVC tube with > one third cut out length wise to pop over the extended piston. There > are also small clamps in use but I personally think the piston rods are > susceptible to marring and then tear the seals on closure leading to > premature failure. > > The fulcrum that the stock mounting provides is less than ideal and > stresses the decklid. My GT5 (no wing) had no shocks for the longest > time as any and all those tried forced the deckild to catch the lip on > the roof and chip the paint, so I am now and advocate of and highly > recommend the IPSCO system that relocates the mounting points to a more > reasonable effort. > > [1]https://ipsco.org//Pantera%20Parts/Rear%20Deck%20Lid%20Shock%20Kit.h > tm > > Julian > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: DeTomaso on behalf of > Charles Engles > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 6:50 PM > To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: deck struts/lifts > > Dear Forum, > > Given all the activity from the great minds posting > tonight, I have an esoteric trivial question about the stock rear deck > struts or their modern replacements: > > Does anyone have the specs for the proper > force > in Newtons (or any other unit) for deck struts on a stock deck and/or a > deck > with a spoiler? > > > Curious, Chuck Engles > > References > > 1. https://ipsco.org//Pantera%20Parts/Rear%20Deck%20Lid%20Shock%20Kit.htm > > > !DSPAM:5c3ace8922228519719558! > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > !DSPAM:5c3ace8922228519719558! -------------- next part -------------- Here's the cross reference from the Swedish club. [1]http://www.detomaso.nu/korsreferens/parts/21420783.html I'm using the Toyota struts with my winged GT5. 13 jan. 2019 kl. 06:36 skrev Julian Kift <[2]julian_kift at hotmail.com>: Dear Chuck, This is one of those ambiguous questions where I fear asking 4 forum members would get you 5 opinions! There is sticky on the PI forum that contains 5 pages of decklid shock discussion, wading through that you will deduce the following; For a non wing car an 88lbs force strut has been verified by Strongarm and Autozone as correct for the application, folks report using an Autozone Mighty-Lift D95004 106lbs force strut on winged cars with success, albeit the cheap struts seem to fail with regularity. The recommendation is to not go higher than 106lbs but if you experience sag use a prop in the form of a piece of PVC tube with one third cut out length wise to pop over the extended piston. There are also small clamps in use but I personally think the piston rods are susceptible to marring and then tear the seals on closure leading to premature failure. The fulcrum that the stock mounting provides is less than ideal and stresses the decklid. My GT5 (no wing) had no shocks for the longest time as any and all those tried forced the deckild to catch the lip on the roof and chip the paint, so I am now and advocate of and highly recommend the IPSCO system that relocates the mounting points to a more reasonable effort. [1][3]https://ipsco.org//Pantera%20Parts/Rear%20Deck%20Lid%20Shock%20 Kit.h tm Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <[4]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Charles Engles <[5]cengles at cox.net> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 6:50 PM To: [6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: deck struts/lifts Dear Forum, Given all the activity from the great minds posting tonight, I have an esoteric trivial question about the stock rear deck struts or their modern replacements: Does anyone have the specs for the proper force in Newtons (or any other unit) for deck struts on a stock deck and/or a deck with a spoiler? Curious, Chuck Engles References 1. [7]https://ipsco.org//Pantera%20Parts/Rear%20Deck%20Lid%20Shock%20Kit.h tm !DSPAM:5c3ace8922228519719558! _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [8]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [9]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. !DSPAM:5c3ace8922228519719558! References 1. http://www.detomaso.nu/korsreferens/parts/21420783.html 2. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 3. https://ipsco.org//Pantera%20Parts/Rear%20Deck%20Lid%20Shock%20Kit.h 4. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 5. mailto:cengles at cox.net 6. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 7. https://ipsco.org//Pantera%20Parts/Rear%20Deck%20Lid%20Shock%20Kit.htm 8. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 9. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From b.hower3400 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 13 05:53:30 2019 From: b.hower3400 at yahoo.com (B Hower) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2019 10:53:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine In-Reply-To: <1382140972.17715782.1547359268794@mail.yahoo.com> References: <846474807.17651591.1547339257552.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <846474807.17651591.1547339257552@mail.yahoo.com> <1382140972.17715782.1547359268794@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2101171002.18980121.1547376810608@mail.yahoo.com> I agree with that!! When living in CA. I removed baffles from brand new motorcycles just for that very reason!! Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) On Sunday, January 13, 2019, 12:01:36 AM CST, Ken Green via DeTomaso wrote: ? A safety feature so cars know they are there? ? ? __________________________________________________________________ ? From: Pantdino via DeTomaso ? To: audionut at mediacombb.net; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com ? Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 4:27 PM ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine ? ? As I read it, motorcycles are specifically exempt from this ? restriction ? ? And they are the worst offenders ? ? Jim ? ? -----Original Message----- ? ? From: audionut motonut <[1]audionut at mediacombb.net> ? ? To: detomaso <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> ? ? Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2019 1:22 pm ? ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine ? ? ? As a motorcycle guy, my impression is that this law has it's ? origins ? ? in ? ? ? the infernal racket made by Harley guys who run open pipes. ? ? ? Enforcement will likely be directed at them and not so much at ? cars. ? ? ? But we shall see.? So far I haven't heard of (or seen) anybody ? ? getting ? ? ? a ticket for loud exhaust, car or motorcycle. ? __________________________________________________________________ ? ? ? From: "Ken Green via DeTomaso" ? <[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> ? ? ? To: "List DeTomaso Forum" <[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> ? ? ? Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 3:21:39 PM ? ? ? Subject: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine ? ? ? How loud is 95dB? ? ? ? Three Ways To Beat California's Absurd New Exhaust Law ? ? ? | ? ? ? | ? ? ? | ? ? ? |? |? ? | ? ? ? ? ? | ? ? ? ? | ? ? ? | ? ? ? |? | ? ? ? Three Ways To Beat California's Absurd New Exhaust Law ? ? ? ? We offer three solutions to getting around California's crazy new ? ? ? exhaust law. 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Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) On Sunday, January 13, 2019, 12:01:36 AM CST, Ken Green via DeTomaso wrote: A safety feature so cars know they are there? __________________________________________________________________ From: Pantdino via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> To: [2]audionut at mediacombb.net; [3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine As I read it, motorcycles are specifically exempt from this restriction And they are the worst offenders Jim -----Original Message----- From: audionut motonut <[1][4]audionut at mediacombb.net> To: detomaso <[2][5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2019 1:22 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine As a motorcycle guy, my impression is that this law has it's origins in the infernal racket made by Harley guys who run open pipes. 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I?m always going to promote Panteras whenever I can! Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 12, 2019, at 4:12 PM, Ray Pascarella wrote: > > Looks like it hammered at $132,000. Congrats Scott. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Jan 12, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Scott Mead Photography wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > From scott at scottmeadphotography.com Sun Jan 13 09:32:41 2019 From: scott at scottmeadphotography.com (Scott Mead Photography) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2019 09:32:41 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine In-Reply-To: <1382140972.17715782.1547359268794@mail.yahoo.com> References: <846474807.17651591.1547339257552.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <846474807.17651591.1547339257552@mail.yahoo.com> <1382140972.17715782.1547359268794@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <354BA010-10E6-46F6-B11B-4968AE796875@scottmeadphotography.com> When I lived on Maui, that was the MPD?s take on loud pipes. That said, they did take exception to Honda Civics with a Yuban can for an exhaust. Bikes, exotic and muscle cars with loud exhausts were never ticketed, unless you were showing off and reviving the engine like mad. I had several close calls while driving my car (tourists are too busy gawking at the scenery then to watch for other vehicles), but that went to zero after I installed a set of Flowmaster 10s. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 13, 2019, at 1:01 AM, Ken Green via DeTomaso wrote: > > A safety feature so cars know they are there? > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: Pantdino via DeTomaso > To: audionut at mediacombb.net; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 4:27 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine > As I read it, motorcycles are specifically exempt from this > restriction > And they are the worst offenders > Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: audionut motonut <[1]audionut at mediacombb.net> > To: detomaso <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> > Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2019 1:22 pm > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine > As a motorcycle guy, my impression is that this law has it's > origins > in > the infernal racket made by Harley guys who run open pipes. > Enforcement will likely be directed at them and not so much at > cars. > But we shall see. So far I haven't heard of (or seen) anybody > getting > a ticket for loud exhaust, car or motorcycle. > > __________________________________________________________________ > From: "Ken Green via DeTomaso" > <[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> > To: "List DeTomaso Forum" <[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 3:21:39 PM > Subject: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine > How loud is 95dB? > Three Ways To Beat California's Absurd New Exhaust Law > | > | > | > | | | > | > | > | > | | > Three Ways To Beat California's Absurd New Exhaust Law > We offer three solutions to getting around California's crazy new > exhaust law. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From kenn_green at yahoo.com Sun Jan 13 10:58:14 2019 From: kenn_green at yahoo.com (Ken Green) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2019 15:58:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine In-Reply-To: <354BA010-10E6-46F6-B11B-4968AE796875@scottmeadphotography.com> References: <846474807.17651591.1547339257552.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <846474807.17651591.1547339257552@mail.yahoo.com> <1382140972.17715782.1547359268794@mail.yahoo.com> <354BA010-10E6-46F6-B11B-4968AE796875@scottmeadphotography.com> Message-ID: <529775340.17807304.1547395094543@mail.yahoo.com> Back in the 70s I was riding a Norton Commando to school, and the California Highway Patrol periodically set up a roadside check near the college to nail students.? I was flagged over, and revved up the Norton, and got a fit it ticket.? I was a little ticked off because I had stock exhaust, and went by the local Highway Patrol office to ask them to actually measure the sound level.? Before I could explain why I was there, and office asked me to start the bike.? This time I didn't rev it much, and he signed off and I was done.? So I guess the message is, don't make more noise than you have to. From: Scott Mead Photography To: Ken Green Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine When I lived on Maui, that was the MPD?s take on loud pipes. That said, they did take exception to Honda Civics with a Yuban can for an exhaust. Bikes, exotic and muscle cars with loud exhausts were never ticketed, unless you were showing off and reviving the engine like mad. I had several close calls while driving my car (tourists are too busy gawking at the scenery then to watch for other vehicles), but that went to zero after I installed a set of Flowmaster 10s. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 13, 2019, at 1:01 AM, Ken Green via DeTomaso wrote: > >? A safety feature so cars know they are there? >? ? __________________________________________________________________ > >? From: Pantdino via DeTomaso >? To: audionut at mediacombb.net; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com >? Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 4:27 PM >? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine >? ? As I read it, motorcycles are specifically exempt from this >? restriction >? ? And they are the worst offenders >? ? Jim >? ? -----Original Message----- >? ? From: audionut motonut <[1]audionut at mediacombb.net> >? ? To: detomaso <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> >? ? Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2019 1:22 pm >? ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine >? ? ? As a motorcycle guy, my impression is that this law has it's >? origins >? ? in >? ? ? the infernal racket made by Harley guys who run open pipes. >? ? ? Enforcement will likely be directed at them and not so much at >? cars. >? ? ? But we shall see.? So far I haven't heard of (or seen) anybody >? ? getting >? ? ? a ticket for loud exhaust, car or motorcycle. > >? __________________________________________________________________ >? ? ? From: "Ken Green via DeTomaso" >? <[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> >? ? ? To: "List DeTomaso Forum" <[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> >? ? ? Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 3:21:39 PM >? ? ? Subject: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine >? ? ? How loud is 95dB? >? ? ? Three Ways To Beat California's Absurd New Exhaust Law >? ? ? | >? ? ? | >? ? ? | >? ? ? |? |? ? | >? ? ? ? ? | >? ? ? ? | >? ? ? | >? ? ? |? | >? ? ? Three Ways To Beat California's Absurd New Exhaust Law >? ? ? ? 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I was a little ticked off because I had stock exhaust, and went by the local Highway Patrol office to ask them to actually measure the sound level. Before I could explain why I was there, and office asked me to start the bike. This time I didn't rev it much, and he signed off and I was done. So I guess the message is, don't make more noise than you have to. __________________________________________________________________ From: Scott Mead Photography To: Ken Green Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine When I lived on Maui, that was the MPDas take on loud pipes. That said, they did take exception to Honda Civics with a Yuban can for an exhaust. Bikes, exotic and muscle cars with loud exhausts were never ticketed, unless you were showing off and reviving the engine like mad. I had several close calls while driving my car (tourists are too busy gawking at the scenery then to watch for other vehicles), but that went to zero after I installed a set of Flowmaster 10s. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 13, 2019, at 1:01 AM, Ken Green via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > > A safety feature so cars know they are there? > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: Pantdino via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> > To: [3]audionut at mediacombb.net; [4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 4:27 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine > As I read it, motorcycles are specifically exempt from this > restriction > And they are the worst offenders > Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: audionut motonut <[1][5]audionut at mediacombb.net> > To: detomaso <[2][6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> > Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2019 1:22 pm > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine > As a motorcycle guy, my impression is that this law has it's > origins > in > the infernal racket made by Harley guys who run open pipes. > Enforcement will likely be directed at them and not so much at > cars. > But we shall see. So far I haven't heard of (or seen) anybody > getting > a ticket for loud exhaust, car or motorcycle. > > __________________________________________________________________ > From: "Ken Green via DeTomaso" > <[3][7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> > To: "List DeTomaso Forum" <[4][8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 3:21:39 PM > Subject: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine > How loud is 95dB? > Three Ways To Beat California's Absurd New Exhaust Law > | > | > | > | | | > | > | > | > | | > Three Ways To Beat California's Absurd New Exhaust Law > We offer three solutions to getting around California's crazy new > exhaust law. 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I?m always going to promote Panteras whenever I can!? Bless you. To paraphrase Charlie McCall, ?you are raising Pantera consciousness through commercial photography.? I applaud you for it. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles -------------- next part -------------- Dear Scott, You wrote: That's not my car that went across the block (I'm never gonna sell it!), one of my "duties" as a Mecum photographer, is to shoot the staging lanes. I'm always going to promote Panteras whenever I can!" Bless you. To paraphrase Charlie McCall, "you are raising Pantera consciousness through commercial photography." I applaud you for it. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles From cengles at cox.net Sun Jan 13 12:27:04 2019 From: cengles at cox.net (Charles Engles) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2019 11:27:04 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: deck struts/lifts In-Reply-To: References: <008401d4aaea$c3f96e40$4bec4ac0$@cox.net> Message-ID: <003101d4ab65$37cf3500$a76d9f00$@cox.net> Dear Jerry, Julian, Jack and Thomas, Thank you very much for the information! It will be a great help to the Pantera Research Institute. One of our project directors needed that information. The research can proceed. You are extremely helpful. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles From: Jerry Knotts [mailto:knottsj at galstar.com] Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 10:45 PM To: Charles Engles Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: deck struts/lifts I just replaced mine on 2 car decks without wings and I used 80 pounders. Found the numbers in some old posts. The ones I used were from McMaster Carr. Nowata OK 74048-9676 Order Date 12/19/18 Ordered By Jerry Knotts McMaster-Carr Number 5626331 Line Product Ordered Delivers Price Total 1 6465K61 Eyelet End Fitting for Gas Spring, M6, 0.41" ID 4 each Dec 24 2.75 each 11.00 2 9416K17 Gas Spring, 15.63" Extended Length, 80 lbs. Force 2 each Dec 24 16.41 each 32.82 Merchandise $43.822 The eyelet ends are thicker than stock so I had to make a trip for hardware for the eyelet end cross mounts. Each shock got 2, 3/4 long x 1/4 inch steel bushings and each bushing got 2 nylon 3/4 x .345 x 13/64 nylon spacers (Hillman number 880446). The old shock bushings can be used but the eyelet washers must be drilled slightly for the bushing to be inserted. jerry On 1/12/2019 8:50 PM, Charles Engles wrote: Dear Forum, Given all the activity from the great minds posting tonight, I have an esoteric trivial question about the stock rear deck struts or their modern replacements: Does anyone have the specs for the proper force in Newtons (or any other unit) for deck struts on a stock deck and/or a deck with a spoiler? Curious, Chuck Engles _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Image removed by sender. Virus-free. www.avg.com -------------- next part -------------- Dear Jerry, Julian, Jack and Thomas, Thank you very much for the information! It will be a great help to the Pantera Research Institute. One of our project directors needed that information. The research can proceed. You are extremely helpful. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles From: Jerry Knotts [mailto:knottsj at galstar.com] Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 10:45 PM To: Charles Engles Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: deck struts/lifts I just replaced mine on 2 car decks without wings and I used 80 pounders. Found the numbers in some old posts. The ones I used were from McMaster Carr. Nowata OK 74048-9676 Order Date [1]12/19/18 Ordered By Jerry Knotts McMaster-Carr Number 5626331 Line Product Ordered Delivers Price Total 1 [2]6465K61 Eyelet End Fitting for Gas Spring, M6, 0.41" ID 4 each Dec 24 2.75 each 11.00 2 [3]9416K17 Gas Spring, 15.63" Extended Length, 80 lbs. Force 2 each Dec 24 16.41 each 32.82 Merchandise $43.822 The eyelet ends are thicker than stock so I had to make a trip for hardware for the eyelet end cross mounts. Each shock got 2, 3/4 long x 1/4 inch steel bushings and each bushing got 2 nylon 3/4 x .345 x 13/64 nylon spacers (Hillman number 880446). The old shock bushings can be used but the eyelet washers must be drilled slightly for the bushing to be inserted. jerry On 1/12/2019 8:50 PM, Charles Engles wrote: Dear Forum, Given all the activity from the great minds posting tonight, I have an esoteric trivial question about the stock rear deck struts or their modern replacements: Does anyone have the specs for the proper force in Newtons (or any other unit) for deck struts on a stock deck and/or a deck with a spoiler? Curious, Chuck Engles _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [4]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the li nks above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message p osted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 350 bytes Desc: not available URL: From larrys at panteraparts.com Sun Jan 13 13:38:25 2019 From: larrys at panteraparts.com (Larry Stock) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2019 10:38:25 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: deck struts/lifts In-Reply-To: <1158755596.435231.1547367877424@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1158755596.435231.1547367877424.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1158755596.435231.1547367877424@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jack is correct in what he has to say. The factory rating for the rear deck lid shock is 90 pounds initially at full extension on the scale as jack has described, as soon as it starts compressing the scale reading will drop significantly. The stock deck lid with minimal paint will stay up at about 83 pounds force in both shocks. If typically the lower shock mount has broken off and was re-welded in a higher location, the shock will not extend to its fully extended position and thus will not reach its full pressure until it does, which in itself, will not hold up a stock DeckLid with new shocks. Larry Stock On 1/13/19, 12:24 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso" wrote: > IMHO, if you cannot get the decklid to stay open with two stock struts, > you have added way too much weight back there! Stock rebuilt or small > OD aftermarket struts are available. I can't give you anything but > pounds of force as applied at the strut end. Some vendors will not sell > any strut that applies more than about 100 lbs due to decklid > hinge-bending and sheet metal distortion both in the decklid and the > roof. Of course, we double that force with two struts. > You can check strut strength with a bathroom scales and a thick piece > of steel laying on it, so high force in a small area doesn't bend the > thin top plate of the scales. Push down with a press and read the > scale. Perhaps the best solution is/was Ted Mitchell's true > bolt-on-no-weld system used a coil spring linkage similar to what held > up those gigantic late '50s/early '60s front car hoods. Few bought his > pricey system and now Ted is gone. No one has repro-ed Ted's system. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles Engles > To: detomaso > Sent: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 18:50 > Subject: [DeTomaso] Techno Question: deck struts/lifts > Dear Forum, > Given all the activity from the great minds posting > tonight, I have an esoteric trivial question about the stock rear > deck > struts or their modern replacements: > Does anyone have the specs for the proper > force in Newtons (or any other unit) for deck struts on a stock deck > and/or a deck with a spoiler? > Curious, Chuck Engles > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [1]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. 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From Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov Sun Jan 13 14:24:00 2019 From: Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov (Himes, Terry (397C)) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2019 19:24:00 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine In-Reply-To: <529775340.17807304.1547395094543@mail.yahoo.com> References: <846474807.17651591.1547339257552.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <846474807.17651591.1547339257552@mail.yahoo.com> <1382140972.17715782.1547359268794@mail.yahoo.com> <354BA010-10E6-46F6-B11B-4968AE796875@scottmeadphotography.com> <529775340.17807304.1547395094543@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2F11E11C-DB8D-4B88-9ED4-2C79F6B8491A@jpl.nasa.gov> That theory doesn't help much if your splitting lanes in CA! I used to drive the 210 Hwy every day and there was a bike accident per week, at least. I always triple check before changing lanes for that reason. I simply don't want the paperwork hassle. Ha. "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Juno Systems & Software Team TGO Sequence Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov ?? ?On 1/13/19, 7:58 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso" wrote: Back in the 70s I was riding a Norton Commando to school, and the California Highway Patrol periodically set up a roadside check near the college to nail students. I was flagged over, and revved up the Norton, and got a fit it ticket. I was a little ticked off because I had stock exhaust, and went by the local Highway Patrol office to ask them to actually measure the sound level. Before I could explain why I was there, and office asked me to start the bike. This time I didn't rev it much, and he signed off and I was done. So I guess the message is, don't make more noise than you have to. From: Scott Mead Photography To: Ken Green Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine When I lived on Maui, that was the MPD?s take on loud pipes. That said, they did take exception to Honda Civics with a Yuban can for an exhaust. Bikes, exotic and muscle cars with loud exhausts were never ticketed, unless you were showing off and reviving the engine like mad. I had several close calls while driving my car (tourists are too busy gawking at the scenery then to watch for other vehicles), but that went to zero after I installed a set of Flowmaster 10s. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 13, 2019, at 1:01 AM, Ken Green via DeTomaso wrote: > > A safety feature so cars know they are there? > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: Pantdino via DeTomaso > To: audionut at mediacombb.net; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 4:27 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine > As I read it, motorcycles are specifically exempt from this > restriction > And they are the worst offenders > Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: audionut motonut <[1]audionut at mediacombb.net> > To: detomaso <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> > Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2019 1:22 pm > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine > As a motorcycle guy, my impression is that this law has it's > origins > in > the infernal racket made by Harley guys who run open pipes. > Enforcement will likely be directed at them and not so much at > cars. > But we shall see. So far I haven't heard of (or seen) anybody > getting > a ticket for loud exhaust, car or motorcycle. > > __________________________________________________________________ > From: "Ken Green via DeTomaso" > <[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> > To: "List DeTomaso Forum" <[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 3:21:39 PM > Subject: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine > How loud is 95dB? > Three Ways To Beat California's Absurd New Exhaust Law > | > | > | > | | | > | > | > | > | | > Three Ways To Beat California's Absurd New Exhaust Law > We offer three solutions to getting around California's crazy new > exhaust law. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From kenn_green at yahoo.com Sun Jan 13 15:28:50 2019 From: kenn_green at yahoo.com (Ken Green) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2019 20:28:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] PI Forum changes??? References: <1400479780.17903007.1547411330341.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1400479780.17903007.1547411330341@mail.yahoo.com> I really don't like the new format of the PI forums.? Is there anyway to get back to what it was? Ken -------------- next part -------------- I really don't like the new format of the PI forums. Is there anyway to get back to what it was? Ken From willibillie at live.de Sun Jan 13 15:31:07 2019 From: willibillie at live.de (Roland) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2019 20:31:07 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] PI Forum changes??? In-Reply-To: <1400479780.17903007.1547411330341@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1400479780.17903007.1547411330341.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1400479780.17903007.1547411330341@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Isn't here the wrong place to ask? It was George Pence's decission to change the format. Am 13.01.2019 um 21:28 schrieb Ken Green via DeTomaso: I really don't like the new format of the PI forums. Is there anyway to get back to what it was? Ken _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Isn't here the wrong place to ask? It was George Pence's decission to change the format. Am 13.01.2019 um 21:28 schrieb Ken Green via DeTomaso: I really don't like the new format of the PI forums. Is there anyway to get back to what it was? 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References 1. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From fresnofinches at aol.com Sun Jan 13 16:58:04 2019 From: fresnofinches at aol.com (Larry Finch) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2019 13:58:04 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] PI Forum changes Message-ID: <8DE45A38-DE31-448C-9D9B-8D31191CAF74@aol.com> Ken and all, As Roland knows very well, one must always be cautious of what one posts to George?s PI forum, as he is known to take punitive actions for posts that are not violating the terms of service, but have nonetheless somehow ticked him off. I also was not pleased with the changes made and actually just ignored the forum for several weeks. After a few weeks of absence I returned and came to terms with the new format. It actually seemed fairly easy; perhaps I just needed some time off for my ?what-the-fuck-is-this? frustration level to diminish. The new format is at least much more user-friendly for the posting of photographs, which had always been a weak point in the old forum. Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. From demongusta at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 18:19:47 2019 From: demongusta at gmail.com (Jack Donahue) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2019 15:19:47 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Unique 1967 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 Super Snake sold at auction for record $2.2 million | Fox News References: <2FC3139C-7CB4-487C-852D-005D65AF632C@aol.com> Message-ID: >> https://www.foxnews.com/auto/unique-1967-ford-mustang-shelby-gt500-super-snake-sold-at-auction-for-record-2-2-million >> >> Unique 1967 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 Super Snake sold at auction for record $2.2 million >> >> Gary Gastelu 3 hours ago >> Unique 1967 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 Super Snake sold for $2.2 million >> A unique 1967 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 Super Snake sold at an auction for a record $2.2 million. >> >> A legendary Ford Mustang sold for a historic price at the Mecum Auctions event in Kissimmee, Fla ., on Friday night when the bidding ended at $2,200,000. >> >> That made it the most expensive Mustang ever sold at auction, and with good reason. >> >> The Shelby Mustang 1967 GT500 Super Snake was a one of a kind prototype that Carroll Shelby had built for a tire test conducted by Goodyear. >> >> >> He swapped out the GT500?s already potent 428 cubic-inch V8 for one of the 427 cubic-inch racing V8s from Ford?s Le Mans-winning GT40 and updated the rest of the powertrain and suspension to match. >> >> >> The result was a Mustang coupe that could hit 170 mph and averaged 142 mph over 500 miles at a high-speed track in Texas where it was running on a set of Goodyear?s new whitewall Thunderbolt economy tires. >> >> The initial plan was to build 50 of the cars for sale, but at an estimated double the price of a standard GT500 there weren?t enough takers and the sole prototype was sold for just $5,000. >> >> >> And driven hard. It was used for drag racing, and amassed 26,000 miles on its odometer while changing hands several times over the years. >> >> It?s now been restored close to its original state with a few period correct parts and what may be the last existing set of Thunderbolt tires, which were found in a warehouse in Akron, Ohio, several years ago. >> >> The auction sale shattered the old Mustang record, which was set by this very car at a Mecum auction in 2013, where it went for a mere $1.3 million. Bidding on another prototype Shelby, the so-called ?Green Hornet? 1968 EXP 500, reached $1.8 million at an auction in 2013, but fell short of its reserve price. >> >> 'LITTLE RED' SHELBY GT500 FOUND AFTER 50 YEARS, COULD BE WORTH MILLIONS: >> Video Video -------------- next part -------------- [1]https://www.foxnews.com/auto/unique-1967-ford-mustang-shelby-gt500-s uper-snake-sold-at-auction-for-record-2-2-million Unique 1967 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 Super Snake sold at auction for record $2.2 million [2]Gary Gastelu3 hours ago Unique 1967 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 Super Snake sold for $2.2 million A unique 1967 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 Super Snake sold at an auction for a record $2.2 million. A legendary Ford Mustang sold for a historic price at the [3]Mecum Auctions event in Kissimmee, Fla., on Friday night when the bidding ended at $2,200,000. That made it the most expensive Mustang ever sold at auction, and with good reason. The [4]Shelby Mustang 1967 GT500 Super Snake was a one of a kind prototype that Carroll Shelby had built for a tire test conducted by Goodyear. He swapped out the GT500's already potent 428 cubic-inch V8 for one of the 427 cubic-inch racing V8s from Ford's Le Mans-winning GT40 and updated the rest of the powertrain and suspension to match. The result was a Mustang coupe that could hit 170 mph and averaged 142 mph over 500 miles at a high-speed track in Texas where it was running on a set of Goodyear's new whitewall Thunderbolt economy tires. The initial plan was to build 50 of the cars for sale, but at an estimated double the price of a standard GT500 there weren't enough takers and the sole prototype was sold for just $5,000. And driven hard. It was used for drag racing, and amassed 26,000 miles on its odometer while changing hands several times over the years. It's now been restored close to its original state with a few period correct parts and what may be the last existing set of Thunderbolt tires, which were found in a warehouse in Akron, Ohio, several years ago. The auction sale shattered the old Mustang record, which was set by this very car at a Mecum auction in 2013, where it went for a mere $1.3 million. Bidding on another prototype Shelby, the so-called `Green Hornet' 1968 EXP 500, reached $1.8 million at an auction in 2013, but fell short of its reserve price. [5]'LITTLE RED' SHELBY GT500 FOUND AFTER 50 YEARS, COULD BE WORTH MILLIONS: [6]'Little Red' Ford Shelby Mustang found after fifty years Video References Visible links 1. https://www.foxnews.com/auto/unique-1967-ford-mustang-shelby-gt500-super-snake-sold-at-auction-for-record-2-2-million 2. x-msg://1/person/g/gary-gastelu 3. https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0119-359599/1967-shelby-gt500-super-snake/ 4. https://www.mecum.com/lots/FL0119-359599/1967-shelby-gt500-super-snake/ 5. https://www.foxnews.com/auto/little-red-1967-ford-mustang-shelby-gt500-found-after-50-years-could-be-worth-millions 6. http://video.foxnews.com/v/5823565655001 Hidden links: 8. http://video.foxnews.com/v/5988785189001 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 694940094001_5823570321001_5823565655001-vs.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 283739 bytes Desc: not available URL: From goodwinpantera at comcast.net Sun Jan 13 19:28:58 2019 From: goodwinpantera at comcast.net (DAVID D GOODWIN) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2019 16:28:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine In-Reply-To: <2F11E11C-DB8D-4B88-9ED4-2C79F6B8491A@jpl.nasa.gov> References: <846474807.17651591.1547339257552.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <846474807.17651591.1547339257552@mail.yahoo.com> <1382140972.17715782.1547359268794@mail.yahoo.com> <354BA010-10E6-46F6-B11B-4968AE796875@scottmeadphotography.com> <529775340.17807304.1547395094543@mail.yahoo.com> <2F11E11C-DB8D-4B88-9ED4-2C79F6B8491A@jpl.nasa.gov> Message-ID: <104520920.779205.1547425738687@connect.xfinity.com> In the early 80s I had a Pontiac Ventura with a set of headers on it. I bolted on a set of glass packs to the headers and some straight pipe back. I got a fix it ticket so of to a muffler shop I went with the copper steel wool and chicken screen. The steel screen went into the end and then tack welded the screen on the end so as not to lose the steel wool. When I had a cop sign off my ticket he asked me to rev it up thank god he never looked under the car it was whisper quiet ha ha. Dave in Everett > On January 13, 2019 at 11:24 AM "Himes, Terry (397C) via DeTomaso" wrote: > > > That theory doesn't help much if your splitting lanes in CA! I used to drive the 210 Hwy every day and there > was a bike accident per week, at least. I always triple check before changing lanes for that reason. I simply > don't want the paperwork hassle. Ha. > > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, > stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" > > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Dawn Spacecraft Team > Juno Systems & Software Team > TGO Sequence Lead > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > ?? > > > ?On 1/13/19, 7:58 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso" wrote: > > Back in the 70s I was riding a Norton Commando to school, and the California Highway Patrol periodically set up a roadside check near the college to nail students. I was flagged over, and revved up the Norton, and got a fit it ticket. I was a little ticked off because I had stock exhaust, and went by the local Highway Patrol office to ask them to actually measure the sound level. Before I could explain why I was there, and office asked me to start the bike. This time I didn't rev it much, and he signed off and I was done. So I guess the message is, don't make more noise than you have to. > > From: Scott Mead Photography > To: Ken Green > Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 6:33 AM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine > > When I lived on Maui, that was the MPD?s take on loud pipes. That said, they did take exception to Honda Civics with a Yuban can for an exhaust. Bikes, exotic and muscle cars with loud exhausts were never ticketed, unless you were showing off and reviving the engine like mad. I had several close calls while driving my car (tourists are too busy gawking at the scenery then to watch for other vehicles), but that went to zero after I installed a set of Flowmaster 10s. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 13, 2019, at 1:01 AM, Ken Green via DeTomaso wrote: > > > > A safety feature so cars know they are there? > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > From: Pantdino via DeTomaso > > To: audionut at mediacombb.net; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com > > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 4:27 PM > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine > > As I read it, motorcycles are specifically exempt from this > > restriction > > And they are the worst offenders > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > > From: audionut motonut <[1]audionut at mediacombb.net> > > To: detomaso <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> > > Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2019 1:22 pm > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine > > As a motorcycle guy, my impression is that this law has it's > > origins > > in > > the infernal racket made by Harley guys who run open pipes. > > Enforcement will likely be directed at them and not so much at > > cars. > > But we shall see. So far I haven't heard of (or seen) anybody > > getting > > a ticket for loud exhaust, car or motorcycle. > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: "Ken Green via DeTomaso" > > <[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> > > To: "List DeTomaso Forum" <[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> > > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 3:21:39 PM > > Subject: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine > > How loud is 95dB? > > Three Ways To Beat California's Absurd New Exhaust Law > > | > > | > > | > > | | | > > | > > | > > | > > | | > > Three Ways To Beat California's Absurd New Exhaust Law > > We offer three solutions to getting around California's crazy new > > exhaust law. 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References: <707484577.19530199.1547475002918.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <707484577.19530199.1547475002918@mail.yahoo.com> Anyone, Thinking of buying a car in Clearwater FL. 33764 zip ... I do not have an actual address yet. But am checking if there is some kind soul, close to Clearwater, that is willing to check out a car for me. Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) | | Virus-free. www.avast.com | -------------- next part -------------- Anyone, Thinking of buying a car in Clearwater FL. 33764 zip ... I do not have an actual address yet. But am checking if there is some kind soul, close to Clearwater, that is willing to check out a car for me. Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) Virus-free. [1]www.avast.com References Visible links 1. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link Hidden links: 3. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon 4. file://localhost/tmp/tmpEzpvU2.html#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2 From larry at ohiotimecorp.com Mon Jan 14 12:42:35 2019 From: larry at ohiotimecorp.com (larry at ohiotimecorp.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 12:42:35 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Test Slow Day In-Reply-To: References: <1625581605.16679658.1547170327267.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1625581605.16679658.1547170327267@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <022801d4ac30$89590fb0$9c0b2f10$@ohiotimecorp.com> A few years back I put on a musical show for a friend's Mom on her 100th birthday. Part of my show was to review the time lived down to the second. Figuring in all the leap seconds and years. It was an enjoyable project, to a man like myself who has spent most of his life working with time. Larry (just slow) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso On Behalf Of Himes, Terry (397C) via DeTomaso Sent: January 11, 2019 11:13 AM To: Julian Kift ; Curt Hall ; Detomaso Email List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Test Slow Day Well... that depends on whether you are using the earth's rotation (days) or looking at your Atomic watch. We did have a +1sec leapsecond added a year ago. So yeah, the earth is slowing down and your email is slower. HaHa!! December 31, 2016: "The last leap second was added on June 30, 2015 just before midnight UTC. The U.S. Naval Observatory announced last July that a leap second will be added to official timekeeping on December 31, 2016. That means your day and year ? and everyone's day and year ? will officially be one second longer.Dec 31, 2016" "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Juno Systems & Software Team TGO Sequence Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov ?? ?On 1/10/19, 6:01 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift" wrote: I am sure our JPL friend Terry would be willing to attest and prove that every day is of the same speed ?, so therein your post must be a test! Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Curt Hall Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:32 PM To: Detomaso Email List Subject: [DeTomaso] Test Slow Day Test or just a Slow day? _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov Mon Jan 14 13:21:34 2019 From: Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov (Himes, Terry (397C)) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 18:21:34 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Test Slow Day In-Reply-To: <022801d4ac30$89590fb0$9c0b2f10$@ohiotimecorp.com> References: <1625581605.16679658.1547170327267.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1625581605.16679658.1547170327267@mail.yahoo.com> <022801d4ac30$89590fb0$9c0b2f10$@ohiotimecorp.com> Message-ID: Larry, that sounds like an awesome project! Very curious about how you did it. Were you a one-man-band? We use Julian seconds to convert time back and forth. Makes it very easy. Everything we do, spacecraft and ground systems, is down to the second. NAV takes it further, .00000001 TerryPanTerror "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Juno Systems & Software Team TGO Sequence Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov ?? ?On 1/14/19, 9:43 AM, "larry at ohiotimecorp.com" wrote: A few years back I put on a musical show for a friend's Mom on her 100th birthday. Part of my show was to review the time lived down to the second. Figuring in all the leap seconds and years. It was an enjoyable project, to a man like myself who has spent most of his life working with time. Larry (just slow) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso On Behalf Of Himes, Terry (397C) via DeTomaso Sent: January 11, 2019 11:13 AM To: Julian Kift ; Curt Hall ; Detomaso Email List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Test Slow Day Well... that depends on whether you are using the earth's rotation (days) or looking at your Atomic watch. We did have a +1sec leapsecond added a year ago. So yeah, the earth is slowing down and your email is slower. HaHa!! December 31, 2016: "The last leap second was added on June 30, 2015 just before midnight UTC. The U.S. Naval Observatory announced last July that a leap second will be added to official timekeeping on December 31, 2016. That means your day and year ? and everyone's day and year ? will officially be one second longer.Dec 31, 2016" "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Juno Systems & Software Team TGO Sequence Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov ?? On 1/10/19, 6:01 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift" wrote: I am sure our JPL friend Terry would be willing to attest and prove that every day is of the same speed ?, so therein your post must be a test! Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Curt Hall Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:32 PM To: Detomaso Email List Subject: [DeTomaso] Test Slow Day Test or just a Slow day? _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From julian_kift at hotmail.com Mon Jan 14 15:39:08 2019 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 20:39:08 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Test Slow Day In-Reply-To: References: <1625581605.16679658.1547170327267.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1625581605.16679658.1547170327267@mail.yahoo.com> <022801d4ac30$89590fb0$9c0b2f10$@ohiotimecorp.com>, Message-ID: I second that! Julian ________________________________ From: Himes, Terry (397C) Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 10:21 AM To: larry at ohiotimecorp.com; 'Julian Kift'; 'Curt Hall'; 'Detomaso Email List' Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Test Slow Day Larry, that sounds like an awesome project! Very curious about how you did it. Were you a one-man-band? We use Julian seconds to convert time back and forth. Makes it very easy. Everything we do, spacecraft and ground systems, is down to the second. NAV takes it further, .00000001 TerryPanTerror "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Juno Systems & Software Team TGO Sequence Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov ?? ?On 1/14/19, 9:43 AM, "larry at ohiotimecorp.com" wrote: A few years back I put on a musical show for a friend's Mom on her 100th birthday. Part of my show was to review the time lived down to the second. Figuring in all the leap seconds and years. It was an enjoyable project, to a man like myself who has spent most of his life working with time. Larry (just slow) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso On Behalf Of Himes, Terry (397C) via DeTomaso Sent: January 11, 2019 11:13 AM To: Julian Kift ; Curt Hall ; Detomaso Email List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Test Slow Day Well... that depends on whether you are using the earth's rotation (days) or looking at your Atomic watch. We did have a +1sec leapsecond added a year ago. So yeah, the earth is slowing down and your email is slower. HaHa!! December 31, 2016: "The last leap second was added on June 30, 2015 just before midnight UTC. The U.S. Naval Observatory announced last July that a leap second will be added to official timekeeping on December 31, 2016. That means your day and year ? and everyone's day and year ? will officially be one second longer.Dec 31, 2016" "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Juno Systems & Software Team TGO Sequence Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov ?? On 1/10/19, 6:01 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift" wrote: I am sure our JPL friend Terry would be willing to attest and prove that every day is of the same speed ?, so therein your post must be a test! Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Curt Hall Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:32 PM To: Detomaso Email List Subject: [DeTomaso] Test Slow Day Test or just a Slow day? _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- I second that! Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: Himes, Terry (397C) Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 10:21 AM To: larry at ohiotimecorp.com; 'Julian Kift'; 'Curt Hall'; 'Detomaso Email List' Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Test Slow Day Larry, that sounds like an awesome project! Very curious about how you did it. Were you a one-man-band? We use Julian seconds to convert time back and forth. Makes it very easy. Everything we do, spacecraft and ground systems, is down to the second. NAV takes it further, .00000001 TerryPanTerror "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Juno Systems & Software Team TGO Sequence Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov On 1/14/19, 9:43 AM, "larry at ohiotimecorp.com" wrote: A few years back I put on a musical show for a friend's Mom on her 100th birthday. Part of my show was to review the time lived down to the second. Figuring in all the leap seconds and years. It was an enjoyable project, to a man like myself who has spent most of his life working with time. Larry (just slow) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso On Behalf Of Himes, Terry (397C) via DeTomaso Sent: January 11, 2019 11:13 AM To: Julian Kift ; Curt Hall ; Detomaso Email List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Test Slow Day Well... that depends on whether you are using the earth's rotation (days) or looking at your Atomic watch. We did have a +1sec leapsecond added a year ago. So yeah, the earth is slowing down and your email is slower. HaHa!! December 31, 2016: "The last leap second was added on June 30, 2015 just before midnight UTC. The U.S. Naval Observatory announced last July that a leap second will be added to official timekeeping on December 31, 2016. That means your day and year - and everyone's day and year - will officially be one second longer.Dec 31, 2016" "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Juno Systems & Software Team TGO Sequence Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov On 1/10/19, 6:01 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift" wrote: I am sure our JPL friend Terry would be willing to attest and prove that every day is of the same speed , so therein your post must be a test! Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Curt Hall Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:32 PM To: Detomaso Email List Subject: [DeTomaso] Test Slow Day Test or just a Slow day? _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [1]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From 427390 at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 17:43:31 2019 From: 427390 at gmail.com (Joe Jaffoni) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 17:43:31 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Brake Pressure Differential Valve Message-ID: I am getting close to the first post-resto drive and tried to bleed the brakes this weekend but brake fluid is leaking out (heavily) from the center of the port where the brown brake pressure differential switch is screwed in. I previously had the valve rebuilt by Muscle Car Research in Virginia which sells the rebuild kit... >From what I?ve read, there should be no fluid at this "switch" port so the leak indicates that the internal o-rings are allowing brake fluid into that center port. I don?t want to try to rebuild it again. Does anyone know where to get another one? Preferably new? Wilkinson lists it (https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A) but I tried Steve earlier and he is on vacation and I am trying to get the replacement so I can spend the three day weekend replacing it and cleaning up the brake fluid on the new carpet in the front trunk - Thanks -------------- next part -------------- I am getting close to the first post-resto drive and tried to bleed the brakes this weekend but brake fluid is leaking out (heavily) from the center of the port where the brown brake pressure differential switch is screwed in.A I previously had the valve rebuilt by Muscle Car Research in Virginia which sells the rebuild kit... A From what Iave read, there should be no fluid at this "switch" port so the leak indicates that the internal o-rings are allowing brake fluid into that center port.A I donat want to try to rebuild it again. Does anyone know where to get another one? Preferably new? Wilkinson lists it ([1]https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A) but I tried Steve earlier and he is on vacation and I am trying to get the replacement so I can spend the three day weekend replacing it and cleaning up the brake fluid on the new carpet in the front trunk - Thanks References 1. https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A From MikeLDrew at aol.com Mon Jan 14 17:47:00 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 14:47:00 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Brake Pressure Differential Valve In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50729613-392F-4948-A231-6949F8213754@aol.com> Joe, I had one I sold to Larry Stock years ago. He has several I think. To be clear, you are talking about the shuttle valve/junction block where several brake lines and the brake light switch connect, not the pressure reduction valve in the front brake circuit. Mike Sent from my iPad > On Jan 14, 2019, at 14:43, Joe Jaffoni <427390 at gmail.com> wrote: > > I am getting close to the first post-resto drive and tried to bleed the > brakes this weekend but brake fluid is leaking out (heavily) from the > center of the port where the brown brake pressure differential switch > is screwed in.A I previously had the valve rebuilt by Muscle Car > Research in Virginia which sells the rebuild kit... > > A > > From what Iave read, there should be no fluid at this "switch" port so > the leak indicates that the internal o-rings are allowing brake fluid > into that center port.A I donat want to try to rebuild it again. > > Does anyone know where to get another one? Preferably new? Wilkinson > lists it ([1]https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A) but > I tried Steve earlier and he is on vacation and I am trying to get the > replacement so I can spend the three day weekend replacing it and > cleaning up the brake fluid on the new carpet in the front trunk - > Thanks > > References > > 1. https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From 427390 at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 18:06:40 2019 From: 427390 at gmail.com (Joe Jaffoni) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 18:06:40 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Brake Pressure Differential Valve In-Reply-To: <50729613-392F-4948-A231-6949F8213754@aol.com> References: <50729613-392F-4948-A231-6949F8213754@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Mike - yes, I am talking about the the brass shuttle valve/junction block where the brake lines and the brake light switch connect. Ironically, the first one I had in the car was bad so Ron McCall was kind enough to send me another one. That's the one I had rebuilt by Muscle Car research and which is now leaking badly from the port where the brown brake pressure differential switch screws into*. *Does anyone think this one will work (with some bending of the brake lines and re-working the mounting): https://calponycars.com/1964-1973-classic/191-bra-653-041.html Joe, I had one I sold to Larry Stock years ago. He has several I think. To be clear, you are talking about the shuttle valve/junction block where several brake lines and the brake light switch connect, not the pressure reduction valve in the front brake circuit. Mike Sent from my iPad On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 5:47 PM Mike Drew wrote: > Joe, > > I had one I sold to Larry Stock years ago. He has several I think. > > To be clear, you are talking about the shuttle valve/junction block where > several brake lines and the brake light switch connect, not the pressure > reduction valve in the front brake circuit. > > Mike > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Jan 14, 2019, at 14:43, Joe Jaffoni <427390 at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I am getting close to the first post-resto drive and tried to bleed the > > brakes this weekend but brake fluid is leaking out (heavily) from the > > center of the port where the brown brake pressure differential switch > > is screwed in.A I previously had the valve rebuilt by Muscle Car > > Research in Virginia which sells the rebuild kit... > > > > A > > > > From what Iave read, there should be no fluid at this "switch" port so > > the leak indicates that the internal o-rings are allowing brake fluid > > into that center port.A I donat want to try to rebuild it again. > > > > Does anyone know where to get another one? Preferably new? Wilkinson > > lists it ([1]https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A) > but > > I tried Steve earlier and he is on vacation and I am trying to get the > > replacement so I can spend the three day weekend replacing it and > > cleaning up the brake fluid on the new carpet in the front trunk - > > Thanks > > > > References > > > > 1. https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > > > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. > > -------------- next part -------------- Hi Mike - yes, I am talking about theA the brass shuttle valve/junction block where the brake lines and the brake light switch connect. Ironically, the first one I had in the car was bad so Ron McCall was kind enough to send me another one. That's the one I had rebuilt by Muscle Car research and which is now leaking badly from the port where the brown brake pressure differential switch screws into. Does anyone think this one will work (with some bending of the brake lines and re-working the mounting): [1]https://calponycars.com/1964-1973-classic/191-bra-653-041.htmlA A A Joe, I had one I sold to Larry Stock years ago. He has several I think. To be clear, you are talking about the shuttle valve/junction block where severa l brake lines and the brake light switch connect, not the pressure reduction val ve in the front brake circuit. Mike Sent from my iPad On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 5:47 PM Mike Drew <[2]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote: Joe, I had one I sold to Larry Stock years ago. He has several I think. To be clear, you are talking about the shuttle valve/junction block where several brake lines and the brake light switch connect, not the pressure reduction valve in the front brake circuit. Mike Sent from my iPad > On Jan 14, 2019, at 14:43, Joe Jaffoni <[3]427390 at gmail.com> wrote: > >A A I am getting close to the first post-resto drive and tried to bleed the >A A brakes this weekend but brake fluid is leaking out (heavily) from the >A A center of the port where the brown brake pressure differential switch >A A is screwed in.AA I previously had the valve rebuilt by Muscle Car >A A Research in Virginia which sells the rebuild kit... > >A A A > >A A From what Iave read, there should be no fluid at this "switch" port so >A A the leak indicates that the internal o-rings are allowing brake fluid >A A into that center port.AA I donat want to try to rebuild it again. > >A A Does anyone know where to get another one? Preferably new? Wilkinson >A A lists it ([1][4]https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A) but >A A I tried Steve earlier and he is on vacation and I am trying to get the >A A replacement so I can spend the three day weekend replacing it and >A A cleaning up the brake fluid on the new carpet in the front trunk - >A A Thanks > > References > >A A 1. [5]https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [6]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [7]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. https://calponycars.com/1964-1973-classic/191-bra-653-041.html 2. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 3. mailto:427390 at gmail.com 4. https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A 5. https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A 6. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 7. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From MikeLDrew at aol.com Mon Jan 14 18:15:19 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 15:15:19 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Brake Pressure Differential Valve In-Reply-To: References: <50729613-392F-4948-A231-6949F8213754@aol.com> Message-ID: <1F799D49-0D7B-47FA-BECC-19C30F94913F@aol.com> Joe, No. That is a proportioning (pressure reducing) valve. Mike Sent from my iPad > On Jan 14, 2019, at 3:06 PM, Joe Jaffoni <427390 at gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Mike - yes, I am talking about the the brass shuttle valve/junction block where the brake lines and the brake light switch connect. Ironically, the first one I had in the car was bad so Ron McCall was kind enough to send me another one. That's the one I had rebuilt by Muscle Car research and which is now leaking badly from the port where the brown brake pressure differential switch screws into. Does anyone think this one will work (with some bending of the brake lines and re-working the mounting): > > https://calponycars.com/1964-1973-classic/191-bra-653-041.html > > > > Joe, > > I had one I sold to Larry Stock years ago. He has several I think. > > To be clear, you are talking about the shuttle valve/junction block where several brake lines and the brake light switch connect, not the pressure reduction valve in the front brake circuit. > > Mike > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 5:47 PM Mike Drew wrote: >> Joe, >> >> I had one I sold to Larry Stock years ago. He has several I think. >> >> To be clear, you are talking about the shuttle valve/junction block where several brake lines and the brake light switch connect, not the pressure reduction valve in the front brake circuit. >> >> Mike >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> > On Jan 14, 2019, at 14:43, Joe Jaffoni <427390 at gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > I am getting close to the first post-resto drive and tried to bleed the >> > brakes this weekend but brake fluid is leaking out (heavily) from the >> > center of the port where the brown brake pressure differential switch >> > is screwed in.A I previously had the valve rebuilt by Muscle Car >> > Research in Virginia which sells the rebuild kit... >> > >> > A >> > >> > From what Iave read, there should be no fluid at this "switch" port so >> > the leak indicates that the internal o-rings are allowing brake fluid >> > into that center port.A I donat want to try to rebuild it again. >> > >> > Does anyone know where to get another one? Preferably new? Wilkinson >> > lists it ([1]https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A) but >> > I tried Steve earlier and he is on vacation and I am trying to get the >> > replacement so I can spend the three day weekend replacing it and >> > cleaning up the brake fluid on the new carpet in the front trunk - >> > Thanks >> > >> > References >> > >> > 1. https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > >> > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> > DeTomaso mailing list >> > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >> > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> > >> > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >> > >> > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. >> -------------- next part -------------- Joe, No. That is a proportioning (pressure reducing) valve. Mike Sent from my iPad On Jan 14, 2019, at 3:06 PM, Joe Jaffoni <[1]427390 at gmail.com> wrote: Hi Mike - yes, I am talking about the the brass shuttle valve/junction block where the brake lines and the brake light switch connect. Ironically, the first one I had in the car was bad so Ron McCall was kind enough to send me another one. That's the one I had rebuilt by Muscle Car research and which is now leaking badly from the port where the brown brake pressure differential switch screws into. Does anyone think this one will work (with some bending of the brake lines and re-working the mounting): [2]https://calponycars.com/1964-1973-classic/191-bra-653-041.html Joe, I had one I sold to Larry Stock years ago. He has several I think. To be clear, you are talking about the shuttle valve/junction block where severa l brake lines and the brake light switch connect, not the pressure reduction val ve in the front brake circuit. Mike Sent from my iPad On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 5:47 PM Mike Drew <[3]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote: Joe, I had one I sold to Larry Stock years ago. He has several I think. To be clear, you are talking about the shuttle valve/junction block where several brake lines and the brake light switch connect, not the pressure reduction valve in the front brake circuit. Mike Sent from my iPad > On Jan 14, 2019, at 14:43, Joe Jaffoni <[4]427390 at gmail.com> wrote: > > I am getting close to the first post-resto drive and tried to bleed the > brakes this weekend but brake fluid is leaking out (heavily) from the > center of the port where the brown brake pressure differential switch > is screwed in.A I previously had the valve rebuilt by Muscle Car > Research in Virginia which sells the rebuild kit... > > A > > From what Iave read, there should be no fluid at this "switch" port so > the leak indicates that the internal o-rings are allowing brake fluid > into that center port.A I donat want to try to rebuild it again. > > Does anyone know where to get another one? Preferably new? Wilkinson > lists it ([1][5]https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A) but > I tried Steve earlier and he is on vacation and I am trying to get the > replacement so I can spend the three day weekend replacing it and > cleaning up the brake fluid on the new carpet in the front trunk - > Thanks > > References > > 1. [6]https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [7]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [8]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:427390 at gmail.com 2. https://calponycars.com/1964-1973-classic/191-bra-653-041.html 3. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 4. mailto:427390 at gmail.com 5. https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A 6. https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A 7. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 8. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From 427390 at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 18:22:30 2019 From: 427390 at gmail.com (Joe Jaffoni) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 18:22:30 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Brake Pressure Differential Valve In-Reply-To: <1F799D49-0D7B-47FA-BECC-19C30F94913F@aol.com> References: <50729613-392F-4948-A231-6949F8213754@aol.com> <1F799D49-0D7B-47FA-BECC-19C30F94913F@aol.com> Message-ID: I've had this naming problem before...in any case, its the brass junction block just below the brake booster...Does anyone think this will work (with some minor bending of the brake lines and "adjusting" the mounting bracket: https://www.ebay.com/itm/163424707842 On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 6:15 PM Mike Drew wrote: > Joe, > > No. That is a proportioning (pressure reducing) valve. > > Mike > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 14, 2019, at 3:06 PM, Joe Jaffoni <427390 at gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Mike - yes, I am talking about the the brass shuttle valve/junction > block where the brake lines and the brake light switch connect. Ironically, > the first one I had in the car was bad so Ron McCall was kind enough to > send me another one. That's the one I had rebuilt by Muscle Car research > and which is now leaking badly from the port where the brown brake pressure > differential switch screws into*. *Does anyone think this one will work > (with some bending of the brake lines and re-working the mounting): > > https://calponycars.com/1964-1973-classic/191-bra-653-041.html > > > > Joe, > > I had one I sold to Larry Stock years ago. He has several I think. > > To be clear, you are talking about the shuttle valve/junction block where several brake lines and the brake light switch connect, not the pressure reduction valve in the front brake circuit. > > Mike > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 5:47 PM Mike Drew wrote: > >> Joe, >> >> I had one I sold to Larry Stock years ago. He has several I think. >> >> To be clear, you are talking about the shuttle valve/junction block where >> several brake lines and the brake light switch connect, not the pressure >> reduction valve in the front brake circuit. >> >> Mike >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> > On Jan 14, 2019, at 14:43, Joe Jaffoni <427390 at gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > I am getting close to the first post-resto drive and tried to bleed >> the >> > brakes this weekend but brake fluid is leaking out (heavily) from the >> > center of the port where the brown brake pressure differential switch >> > is screwed in.A I previously had the valve rebuilt by Muscle Car >> > Research in Virginia which sells the rebuild kit... >> > >> > A >> > >> > From what Iave read, there should be no fluid at this "switch" port so >> > the leak indicates that the internal o-rings are allowing brake fluid >> > into that center port.A I donat want to try to rebuild it again. >> > >> > Does anyone know where to get another one? Preferably new? Wilkinson >> > lists it ([1]https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A) >> but >> > I tried Steve earlier and he is on vacation and I am trying to get the >> > replacement so I can spend the three day weekend replacing it and >> > cleaning up the brake fluid on the new carpet in the front trunk - >> > Thanks >> > >> > References >> > >> > 1. https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > >> > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> > DeTomaso mailing list >> > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >> > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> > >> > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >> use the links above. >> > >> > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve >> the archiving of list messages. >> >> -------------- next part -------------- I've had this naming problem before...in any case, its the brass junction block just below the brake booster...Does anyone think this will work (with some minor bending of the brake lines and "adjusting" the mounting bracket: [1]https://www.ebay.com/itm/163424707842 On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 6:15 PM Mike Drew <[2]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote: Joe, No. That is a proportioning (pressure reducing) valve.A Mike Sent from my iPad On Jan 14, 2019, at 3:06 PM, Joe Jaffoni <[3]427390 at gmail.com> wrote: Hi Mike - yes, I am talking about theA the brass shuttle valve/junction block where the brake lines and the brake light switch connect. Ironically, the first one I had in the car was bad so Ron McCall was kind enough to send me another one. That's the one I had rebuilt by Muscle Car research and which is now leaking badly from the port where the brown brake pressure differential switch screws into. Does anyone think this one will work (with some bending of the brake lines and re-working the mounting): [4]https://calponycars.com/1964-1973-classic/191-bra-653-041.htmlA A A Joe, I had one I sold to Larry Stock years ago. He has several I think. To be clear, you are talking about the shuttle valve/junction block where severa l brake lines and the brake light switch connect, not the pressure reduction val ve in the front brake circuit. Mike Sent from my iPad On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 5:47 PM Mike Drew <[5]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote: Joe, I had one I sold to Larry Stock years ago. He has several I think. To be clear, you are talking about the shuttle valve/junction block where several brake lines and the brake light switch connect, not the pressure reduction valve in the front brake circuit. Mike Sent from my iPad > On Jan 14, 2019, at 14:43, Joe Jaffoni <[6]427390 at gmail.com> wrote: > >A A I am getting close to the first post-resto drive and tried to bleed the >A A brakes this weekend but brake fluid is leaking out (heavily) from the >A A center of the port where the brown brake pressure differential switch >A A is screwed in.AA I previously had the valve rebuilt by Muscle Car >A A Research in Virginia which sells the rebuild kit... > >A A A > >A A From what Iave read, there should be no fluid at this "switch" port so >A A the leak indicates that the internal o-rings are allowing brake fluid >A A into that center port.AA I donat want to try to rebuild it again. > >A A Does anyone know where to get another one? Preferably new? Wilkinson >A A lists it ([1][7]https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A) but >A A I tried Steve earlier and he is on vacation and I am trying to get the >A A replacement so I can spend the three day weekend replacing it and >A A cleaning up the brake fluid on the new carpet in the front trunk - >A A Thanks > > References > >A A 1. [8]https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [9]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [10]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. https://www.ebay.com/itm/163424707842 2. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 3. mailto:427390 at gmail.com 4. https://calponycars.com/1964-1973-classic/191-bra-653-041.html 5. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 6. mailto:427390 at gmail.com 7. https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A 8. https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A 9. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 10. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From MikeLDrew at aol.com Mon Jan 14 18:35:37 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 15:35:37 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Brake Pressure Differential Valve In-Reply-To: References: <50729613-392F-4948-A231-6949F8213754@aol.com> <1F799D49-0D7B-47FA-BECC-19C30F94913F@aol.com> Message-ID: <103B7BC9-D0F7-4378-8B0D-4A51A68E1450@aol.com> Joe, No, no, a thousand times no. This is a disc/ drum proportioning valve. Pressure reduction to the rear circuit. ThenPantera has no pressure reduction. You need a Pantera valve. Mike Sent from my iPad > On Jan 14, 2019, at 15:22, Joe Jaffoni <427390 at gmail.com> wrote: > > I've had this naming problem before...in any case, its the brass junction block just below the brake booster...Does anyone think this will work (with some minor bending of the brake lines and "adjusting" the mounting bracket: > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/163424707842 > > >> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 6:15 PM Mike Drew wrote: >> Joe, >> >> No. That is a proportioning (pressure reducing) valve. >> >> Mike >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Jan 14, 2019, at 3:06 PM, Joe Jaffoni <427390 at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Mike - yes, I am talking about the the brass shuttle valve/junction block where the brake lines and the brake light switch connect. Ironically, the first one I had in the car was bad so Ron McCall was kind enough to send me another one. That's the one I had rebuilt by Muscle Car research and which is now leaking badly from the port where the brown brake pressure differential switch screws into. Does anyone think this one will work (with some bending of the brake lines and re-working the mounting): >>> >>> https://calponycars.com/1964-1973-classic/191-bra-653-041.html >>> >>> >>> >>> Joe, >>> >>> I had one I sold to Larry Stock years ago. He has several I think. >>> >>> To be clear, you are talking about the shuttle valve/junction block where several brake lines and the brake light switch connect, not the pressure reduction valve in the front brake circuit. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 5:47 PM Mike Drew wrote: >>>> Joe, >>>> >>>> I had one I sold to Larry Stock years ago. He has several I think. >>>> >>>> To be clear, you are talking about the shuttle valve/junction block where several brake lines and the brake light switch connect, not the pressure reduction valve in the front brake circuit. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> > On Jan 14, 2019, at 14:43, Joe Jaffoni <427390 at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > I am getting close to the first post-resto drive and tried to bleed the >>>> > brakes this weekend but brake fluid is leaking out (heavily) from the >>>> > center of the port where the brown brake pressure differential switch >>>> > is screwed in.A I previously had the valve rebuilt by Muscle Car >>>> > Research in Virginia which sells the rebuild kit... >>>> > >>>> > A >>>> > >>>> > From what Iave read, there should be no fluid at this "switch" port so >>>> > the leak indicates that the internal o-rings are allowing brake fluid >>>> > into that center port.A I donat want to try to rebuild it again. >>>> > >>>> > Does anyone know where to get another one? Preferably new? Wilkinson >>>> > lists it ([1]https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A) but >>>> > I tried Steve earlier and he is on vacation and I am trying to get the >>>> > replacement so I can spend the three day weekend replacing it and >>>> > cleaning up the brake fluid on the new carpet in the front trunk - >>>> > Thanks >>>> > >>>> > References >>>> > >>>> > 1. https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >>>> > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>>> > DeTomaso mailing list >>>> > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >>>> > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>>> > >>>> > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >>>> > >>>> > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. >>>> -------------- next part -------------- Joe, No, no, a thousand times no. This is a disc/ drum proportioning valve. Pressure reduction to the rear circuit. ThenPantera has no pressure reduction. You need a Pantera valve. Mike Sent from my iPad On Jan 14, 2019, at 15:22, Joe Jaffoni <[1]427390 at gmail.com> wrote: I've had this naming problem before...in any case, its the brass junction block just below the brake booster...Does anyone think this will work (with some minor bending of the brake lines and "adjusting" the mounting bracket: [2]https://www.ebay.com/itm/163424707842 On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 6:15 PM Mike Drew <[3]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote: Joe, No. That is a proportioning (pressure reducing) valve. Mike Sent from my iPad On Jan 14, 2019, at 3:06 PM, Joe Jaffoni <[4]427390 at gmail.com> wrote: Hi Mike - yes, I am talking about the the brass shuttle valve/junction block where the brake lines and the brake light switch connect. Ironically, the first one I had in the car was bad so Ron McCall was kind enough to send me another one. That's the one I had rebuilt by Muscle Car research and which is now leaking badly from the port where the brown brake pressure differential switch screws into. Does anyone think this one will work (with some bending of the brake lines and re-working the mounting): [5]https://calponycars.com/1964-1973-classic/191-bra-653-041.html Joe, I had one I sold to Larry Stock years ago. He has several I think. To be clear, you are talking about the shuttle valve/junction block where severa l brake lines and the brake light switch connect, not the pressure reduction val ve in the front brake circuit. Mike Sent from my iPad On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 5:47 PM Mike Drew <[6]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote: Joe, I had one I sold to Larry Stock years ago. He has several I think. To be clear, you are talking about the shuttle valve/junction block where several brake lines and the brake light switch connect, not the pressure reduction valve in the front brake circuit. Mike Sent from my iPad > On Jan 14, 2019, at 14:43, Joe Jaffoni <[7]427390 at gmail.com> wrote: > > I am getting close to the first post-resto drive and tried to bleed the > brakes this weekend but brake fluid is leaking out (heavily) from the > center of the port where the brown brake pressure differential switch > is screwed in.A I previously had the valve rebuilt by Muscle Car > Research in Virginia which sells the rebuild kit... > > A > > From what Iave read, there should be no fluid at this "switch" port so > the leak indicates that the internal o-rings are allowing brake fluid > into that center port.A I donat want to try to rebuild it again. > > Does anyone know where to get another one? Preferably new? Wilkinson > lists it ([1][8]https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A) but > I tried Steve earlier and he is on vacation and I am trying to get the > replacement so I can spend the three day weekend replacing it and > cleaning up the brake fluid on the new carpet in the front trunk - > Thanks > > References > > 1. [9]https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [10]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [11]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:427390 at gmail.com 2. https://www.ebay.com/itm/163424707842 3. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 4. mailto:427390 at gmail.com 5. https://calponycars.com/1964-1973-classic/191-bra-653-041.html 6. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 7. mailto:427390 at gmail.com 8. https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A 9. https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A 10. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 11. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From gonancy at juno.com Mon Jan 14 18:54:43 2019 From: gonancy at juno.com (gonancy at juno.com) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 23:54:43 GMT Subject: [DeTomaso] Brake Pressure Differential Valve Message-ID: <20190114.155443.25271.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> FWIW I eliminated all that plumbing mess, shuttle valve and all. Now there?s an electric switch on the brake pedal and everything works great. Brake lights come on as soon as the pedal is depressed and brakes work great with fewer connections. Keep it simple, GoNancy Please note: message attached From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso To: Joe Jaffoni <427390 at gmail.com> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Brake Pressure Differential Valve Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 15:35:37 -0800 ____________________________________________________________ What Popcorn Really Does To Your Memory clearstateofmind.com http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5c3d21602f9b6215f6fa6st03vuc -------------- next part -------------- Joe, No, no, a thousand times no. This is a disc/ drum proportioning valve. Pressure reduction to the rear circuit. ThenPantera has no pressure reduction. You need a Pantera valve. Mike Sent from my iPad > On Jan 14, 2019, at 15:22, Joe Jaffoni <427390 at gmail.com> wrote: > > I've had this naming problem before...in any case, its the brass junction block just below the brake booster...Does anyone think this will work (with some minor bending of the brake lines and "adjusting" the mounting bracket: > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/163424707842 > > >> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 6:15 PM Mike Drew wrote: >> Joe, >> >> No. That is a proportioning (pressure reducing) valve. >> >> Mike >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Jan 14, 2019, at 3:06 PM, Joe Jaffoni <427390 at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Mike - yes, I am talking about the the brass shuttle valve/junction block where the brake lines and the brake light switch connect. Ironically, the first one I had in the car was bad so Ron McCall was kind enough to send me another one. That's the one I had rebuilt by Muscle Car research and which is now leaking badly from the port where the brown brake pressure differential switch screws into. Does anyone think this one will work (with some bending of the brake lines and re-working the mounting): >>> >>> https://calponycars.com/1964-1973-classic/191-bra-653-041.html >>> >>> >>> >>> Joe, >>> >>> I had one I sold to Larry Stock years ago. He has several I think. >>> >>> To be clear, you are talking about the shuttle valve/junction block where several brake lines and the brake light switch connect, not the pressure reduction valve in the front brake circuit. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 5:47 PM Mike Drew wrote: >>>> Joe, >>>> >>>> I had one I sold to Larry Stock years ago. He has several I think. >>>> >>>> To be clear, you are talking about the shuttle valve/junction block where several brake lines and the brake light switch connect, not the pressure reduction valve in the front brake circuit. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> > On Jan 14, 2019, at 14:43, Joe Jaffoni <427390 at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > I am getting close to the first post-resto drive and tried to bleed the >>>> > brakes this weekend but brake fluid is leaking out (heavily) from the >>>> > center of the port where the brown brake pressure differential switch >>>> > is screwed in.A I previously had the valve rebuilt by Muscle Car >>>> > Research in Virginia which sells the rebuild kit... >>>> > >>>> > A >>>> > >>>> > From what Iave read, there should be no fluid at this "switch" port so >>>> > the leak indicates that the internal o-rings are allowing brake fluid >>>> > into that center port.A I donat want to try to rebuild it again. >>>> > >>>> > Does anyone know where to get another one? Preferably new? Wilkinson >>>> > lists it ([1]https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A) but >>>> > I tried Steve earlier and he is on vacation and I am trying to get the >>>> > replacement so I can spend the three day weekend replacing it and >>>> > cleaning up the brake fluid on the new carpet in the front trunk - >>>> > Thanks >>>> > >>>> > References >>>> > >>>> > 1. https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >>>> > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>>> > DeTomaso mailing list >>>> > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >>>> > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>>> > >>>> > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >>>> > >>>> > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. >>>> -------------- next part -------------- Joe, No, no, a thousand times no. This is a disc/ drum proportioning valve. Pressure reduction to the rear circuit. ThenPantera has no pressure reduction. You need a Pantera valve. Mike Sent from my iPad On Jan 14, 2019, at 15:22, Joe Jaffoni <[1]427390 at gmail.com> wrote: I've had this naming problem before...in any case, its the brass junction block just below the brake booster...Does anyone think this will work (with some minor bending of the brake lines and "adjusting" the mounting bracket: [2]https://www.ebay.com/itm/163424707842 On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 6:15 PM Mike Drew <[3]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote: Joe, No. That is a proportioning (pressure reducing) valve. Mike Sent from my iPad On Jan 14, 2019, at 3:06 PM, Joe Jaffoni <[4]427390 at gmail.com> wrote: Hi Mike - yes, I am talking about the the brass shuttle valve/junction block where the brake lines and the brake light switch connect. Ironically, the first one I had in the car was bad so Ron McCall was kind enough to send me another one. That's the one I had rebuilt by Muscle Car research and which is now leaking badly from the port where the brown brake pressure differential switch screws into. Does anyone think this one will work (with some bending of the brake lines and re-working the mounting): [5]https://calponycars.com/1964-1973-classic/191-bra-653-041.html Joe, I had one I sold to Larry Stock years ago. He has several I think. To be clear, you are talking about the shuttle valve/junction block where severa l brake lines and the brake light switch connect, not the pressure reduction val ve in the front brake circuit. Mike Sent from my iPad On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 5:47 PM Mike Drew <[6]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote: Joe, I had one I sold to Larry Stock years ago. He has several I think. To be clear, you are talking about the shuttle valve/junction block where several brake lines and the brake light switch connect, not the pressure reduction valve in the front brake circuit. Mike Sent from my iPad > On Jan 14, 2019, at 14:43, Joe Jaffoni <[7]427390 at gmail.com> wrote: > > I am getting close to the first post-resto drive and tried to bleed the > brakes this weekend but brake fluid is leaking out (heavily) from the > center of the port where the brown brake pressure differential switch > is screwed in.A I previously had the valve rebuilt by Muscle Car > Research in Virginia which sells the rebuild kit... > > A > > From what Iave read, there should be no fluid at this "switch" port so > the leak indicates that the internal o-rings are allowing brake fluid > into that center port.A I donat want to try to rebuild it again. > > Does anyone know where to get another one? Preferably new? Wilkinson > lists it ([1][8]https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A) but > I tried Steve earlier and he is on vacation and I am trying to get the > replacement so I can spend the three day weekend replacing it and > cleaning up the brake fluid on the new carpet in the front trunk - > Thanks > > References > > 1. [9]https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [10]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [11]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:427390 at gmail.com 2. https://www.ebay.com/itm/163424707842 3. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 4. mailto:427390 at gmail.com 5. https://calponycars.com/1964-1973-classic/191-bra-653-041.html 6. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 7. mailto:427390 at gmail.com 8. https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A 9. https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A 10. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 11. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From byrdjf at embarqmail.com Mon Jan 14 19:04:35 2019 From: byrdjf at embarqmail.com (Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 19:04:35 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] FW: Brake Pressure Differential Valve Message-ID: <001e01d4ac65$e6c93f50$b45bbdf0$@com> Oops, sorry Mike. Meant to send to list -----Original Message----- From: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. [mailto:byrdjf at embarqmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 19:04 PM To: 'Mike Drew' Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Brake Pressure Differential Valve Ain't that a Combination with the differential and propertial in one brass body? I attached a cartoon of the pantera brake valves arrangement -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 18:36 PM To: Joe Jaffoni Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Brake Pressure Differential Valve Joe, No, no, a thousand times no. This is a disc/ drum proportioning valve. Pressure reduction to the rear circuit. ThenPantera has no pressure reduction. You need a Pantera valve. Mike Sent from my iPad > On Jan 14, 2019, at 15:22, Joe Jaffoni <427390 at gmail.com> wrote: > > I've had this naming problem before...in any case, its the brass junction block just below the brake booster...Does anyone think this will work (with some minor bending of the brake lines and "adjusting" the mounting bracket: > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/163424707842 > > >> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 6:15 PM Mike Drew wrote: >> Joe, >> >> No. That is a proportioning (pressure reducing) valve. >> >> Mike >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Jan 14, 2019, at 3:06 PM, Joe Jaffoni <427390 at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Mike - yes, I am talking about the the brass shuttle valve/junction block where the brake lines and the brake light switch connect. Ironically, the first one I had in the car was bad so Ron McCall was kind enough to send me another one. That's the one I had rebuilt by Muscle Car research and which is now leaking badly from the port where the brown brake pressure differential switch screws into. Does anyone think this one will work (with some bending of the brake lines and re-working the mounting): >>> >>> https://calponycars.com/1964-1973-classic/191-bra-653-041.html >>> >>> >>> >>> Joe, >>> >>> I had one I sold to Larry Stock years ago. He has several I think. >>> >>> To be clear, you are talking about the shuttle valve/junction block where several brake lines and the brake light switch connect, not the pressure reduction valve in the front brake circuit. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 5:47 PM Mike Drew wrote: >>>> Joe, >>>> >>>> I had one I sold to Larry Stock years ago. He has several I think. >>>> >>>> To be clear, you are talking about the shuttle valve/junction block where several brake lines and the brake light switch connect, not the pressure reduction valve in the front brake circuit. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> > On Jan 14, 2019, at 14:43, Joe Jaffoni <427390 at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > I am getting close to the first post-resto drive and tried to bleed the >>>> > brakes this weekend but brake fluid is leaking out (heavily) from the >>>> > center of the port where the brown brake pressure differential switch >>>> > is screwed in.A I previously had the valve rebuilt by Muscle Car >>>> > Research in Virginia which sells the rebuild kit... >>>> > >>>> > A >>>> > >>>> > From what Iave read, there should be no fluid at this "switch" port so >>>> > the leak indicates that the internal o-rings are allowing brake fluid >>>> > into that center port.A I donat want to try to rebuild it again. >>>> > >>>> > Does anyone know where to get another one? Preferably new? Wilkinson >>>> > lists it ([1]https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A) but >>>> > I tried Steve earlier and he is on vacation and I am trying to get the >>>> > replacement so I can spend the three day weekend replacing it and >>>> > cleaning up the brake fluid on the new carpet in the front trunk - >>>> > Thanks >>>> > >>>> > References >>>> > >>>> > 1. https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not >>>> > exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list >>>> > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >>>> > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>>> > >>>> > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >>>> > >>>> > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. >>>> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: brake hydrualic rsmall.bmp Type: image/bmp Size: 151318 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cengles at cox.net Mon Jan 14 19:27:04 2019 From: cengles at cox.net (Charles Engles) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 18:27:04 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] Brake Pressure Differential Valve In-Reply-To: <20190114.155443.25271.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> References: <20190114.155443.25271.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <005101d4ac69$0a88fb80$1f9af280$@cox.net> Dear Joe, I agree with Nancy. 31 years of excellent braking. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of gonancy at juno.com Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:55 PM To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Brake Pressure Differential Valve FWIW I eliminated all that plumbing mess, shuttle valve and all. Now there's an electric switch on the brake pedal and everything works great. Brake lights come on as soon as the pedal is depressed and brakes work great with fewer connections. Keep it simple, GoNancy Please note: message attached From: Mike Drew via DeTomaso To: Joe Jaffoni <427390 at gmail.com> Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Brake Pressure Differential Valve Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 15:35:37 -0800 ____________________________________________________________ What Popcorn Really Does To Your Memory clearstateofmind.com http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5c3d21602f9b6215f6fa6st03vuc From 427390 at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 11:01:32 2019 From: 427390 at gmail.com (Joe Jaffoni) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 11:01:32 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Brake Pressure Differential Valve In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I had a nice call from Larry Finch last night and one thought we had was to simply plug the port where the brown brake pressure differential switch is screwed in. I'd also like to consider the solution that GoNancy and Chuck Engles are using by eliminating the shuttle valve altogether and using a micro switch on the brake pedal. Would it be possible to send me pics of your "plumbing" and the switch you added? Much appreciated - Joe ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Joe Jaffoni <427390 at gmail.com> Date: Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 5:43 PM Subject: Brake Pressure Differential Valve To: I am getting close to the first post-resto drive and tried to bleed the brakes this weekend but brake fluid is leaking out (heavily) from the center of the port where the brown brake pressure differential switch is screwed in. I previously had the valve rebuilt by Muscle Car Research in Virginia which sells the rebuild kit... >From what I?ve read, there should be no fluid at this "switch" port so the leak indicates that the internal o-rings are allowing brake fluid into that center port. I don?t want to try to rebuild it again. Does anyone know where to get another one? Preferably new? Wilkinson lists it (https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A) but I tried Steve earlier and he is on vacation and I am trying to get the replacement so I can spend the three day weekend replacing it and cleaning up the brake fluid on the new carpet in the front trunk - Thanks -------------- next part -------------- I had a nice call from Larry Finch last night and one thought we had was to simply plug the port where theA brown brake pressure differential switch is screwed in.A I'd also like to consider the solution that GoNancy and Chuck Engles are using by eliminating the shuttle valve altogether and using a micro switch on the brake pedal.A Would it be possible to send me pics of your "plumbing" and the switch you added? Much appreciated - Joe ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Joe Jaffoni <[1]427390 at gmail.com> Date: Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 5:43 PM Subject: Brake Pressure Differential Valve To: <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> I am getting close to the first post-resto drive and tried to bleed the brakes this weekend but brake fluid is leaking out (heavily) from the center of the port where the brown brake pressure differential switch is screwed in.A I previously had the valve rebuilt by Muscle Car Research in Virginia which sells the rebuild kit... A From what Iave read, there should be no fluid at this "switch" port so the leak indicates that the internal o-rings are allowing brake fluid into that center port.A I donat want to try to rebuild it again. Does anyone know where to get another one? Preferably new? Wilkinson lists it ([3]https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A) but I tried Steve earlier and he is on vacation and I am trying to get the replacement so I can spend the three day weekend replacing it and cleaning up the brake fluid on the new carpet in the front trunk - Thanks References 1. mailto:427390 at gmail.com 2. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 3. https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A From MikeLDrew at aol.com Tue Jan 15 11:12:11 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 08:12:11 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Brake Pressure Differential Valve In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87520A93-599B-4281-900A-D5284FAFF1C8@aol.com> Joe, Another alternative (what I did) is to eliminate the block and just run independent front and rear circuits, with a T-fitting in the rear line to accommodate a conventional brake light switch. It takes much less re-engineering as all the components are in the same relative location. Mike Sent from my iPad > On Jan 15, 2019, at 08:01, Joe Jaffoni <427390 at gmail.com> wrote: > > I had a nice call from Larry Finch last night and one thought we had > was to simply plug the port where theA brown brake pressure > differential switch is screwed in.A I'd also like to consider the > solution that GoNancy and Chuck Engles are using by eliminating the > shuttle valve altogether and using a micro switch on the brake pedal.A > Would it be possible to send me pics of your "plumbing" and the switch > you added? Much appreciated - Joe > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Joe Jaffoni <[1]427390 at gmail.com> > Date: Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 5:43 PM > Subject: Brake Pressure Differential Valve > To: <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> > > I am getting close to the first post-resto drive and tried to bleed the > brakes this weekend but brake fluid is leaking out (heavily) from the > center of the port where the brown brake pressure differential switch > is screwed in.A I previously had the valve rebuilt by Muscle Car > Research in Virginia which sells the rebuild kit... > > A > > From what Iave read, there should be no fluid at this "switch" port so > the leak indicates that the internal o-rings are allowing brake fluid > into that center port.A I donat want to try to rebuild it again. > > Does anyone know where to get another one? Preferably new? Wilkinson > lists it ([3]https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A) but > I tried Steve earlier and he is on vacation and I am trying to get the > replacement so I can spend the three day weekend replacing it and > cleaning up the brake fluid on the new carpet in the front trunk - > Thanks > > References > > 1. mailto:427390 at gmail.com > 2. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com > 3. https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From julian_kift at hotmail.com Tue Jan 15 11:21:03 2019 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 16:21:03 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Brake Pressure Differential Valve In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: It may be a silly question, but the brake warning switch is original correct? That is a metric thread unit so just checking you don't have a thread mismatch issue. If the unit is leaking internally across the seals you have inter connectivity and possibly pressure equalization between your front and rear brake circuits which isn't ideal. Did you call other vendors like Larry Stock for a replacement unit? Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Joe Jaffoni <427390 at gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:01 AM To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Brake Pressure Differential Valve I had a nice call from Larry Finch last night and one thought we had was to simply plug the port where the brown brake pressure differential switch is screwed in. I'd also like to consider the solution that GoNancy and Chuck Engles are using by eliminating the shuttle valve altogether and using a micro switch on the brake pedal. Would it be possible to send me pics of your "plumbing" and the switch you added? Much appreciated - Joe ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Joe Jaffoni <427390 at gmail.com> Date: Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 5:43 PM Subject: Brake Pressure Differential Valve To: I am getting close to the first post-resto drive and tried to bleed the brakes this weekend but brake fluid is leaking out (heavily) from the center of the port where the brown brake pressure differential switch is screwed in. I previously had the valve rebuilt by Muscle Car Research in Virginia which sells the rebuild kit... >From what I?ve read, there should be no fluid at this "switch" port so the leak indicates that the internal o-rings are allowing brake fluid into that center port. I don?t want to try to rebuild it again. Does anyone know where to get another one? Preferably new? Wilkinson lists it (https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A) but I tried Steve earlier and he is on vacation and I am trying to get the replacement so I can spend the three day weekend replacing it and cleaning up the brake fluid on the new carpet in the front trunk - Thanks -------------- next part -------------- It may be a silly question, but the brake warning switch is original correct? That is a metric thread unit so just checking you don't have a thread mismatch issue. If the unit is leaking internally across the seals you have inter connectivity and possibly pressure equalization between your front and rear brake circuits which isn't ideal. Did you call other vendors like Larry Stock for a replacement unit? Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Joe Jaffoni <427390 at gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:01 AM To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Brake Pressure Differential Valve I had a nice call from Larry Finch last night and one thought we had was to simply plug the port where the brown brake pressure differential switch is screwed in. I'd also like to consider the solution that GoNancy and Chuck Engles are using by eliminating the shuttle valve altogether and using a micro switch on the brake pedal. Would it be possible to send me pics of your "plumbing" and the switch you added? Much appreciated - Joe ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Joe Jaffoni <427390 at gmail.com> Date: Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 5:43 PM Subject: Brake Pressure Differential Valve To: I am getting close to the first post-resto drive and tried to bleed the brakes this weekend but brake fluid is leaking out (heavily) from the center of the port where the brown brake pressure differential switch is screwed in. I previously had the valve rebuilt by Muscle Car Research in Virginia which sells the rebuild kit... From what I've read, there should be no fluid at this "switch" port so the leak indicates that the internal o-rings are allowing brake fluid into that center port. I don't want to try to rebuild it again. Does anyone know where to get another one? Preferably new? Wilkinson lists it ([1]https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A) but I tried Steve earlier and he is on vacation and I am trying to get the replacement so I can spend the three day weekend replacing it and cleaning up the brake fluid on the new carpet in the front trunk - Thanks References 1. https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A From 427390 at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 11:53:30 2019 From: 427390 at gmail.com (Joe Jaffoni) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 11:53:30 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Brake Pressure Differential Valve In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Joe Jaffoni <427390 at gmail.com> Date: Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Brake Pressure Differential Valve To: Julian Kift Thanks Julian - it is leaking from the plastic switch in the center of the brass block that faces toward the rear of the car. If everything is working correctly, it is my understanding there is not supposed to be any fluid in that location (so it's not a cross thread issue but rather as you say, and internal issue probably due to failure of the o rings which were supposed to have been replaced when it was rebuilt). I am going to check in with the vendors shortly to see what they can hook me up with (they are on the west coast and I'm in NYC, the worst place in the USA to try to get car parts of any kind)... If the vendors can't help, I have asked Mike Drew, GoNancy and Chuck Engels for photos of their shuttle valve elimination set ups and I'll go that route - Joe On Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 11:21 AM Julian Kift It may be a silly question, but the brake warning switch is original > correct? That is a metric thread unit so just checking you don't have a > thread mismatch issue. > > If the unit is leaking internally across the seals you have inter > connectivity and possibly pressure equalization between your front and rear > brake circuits which isn't ideal. > > Did you call other vendors like Larry Stock for a replacement unit? > > Julian > > ------------------------------ > *From:* DeTomaso on behalf of > Joe Jaffoni <427390 at gmail.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:01 AM > *To:* detomaso at server.detomasolist.com > *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] Brake Pressure Differential Valve > > I had a nice call from Larry Finch last night and one thought we had was to > simply plug the port where the brown brake pressure differential switch is > screwed in. I'd also like to consider the solution that GoNancy and Chuck > Engles are using by eliminating the shuttle valve altogether and using a > micro switch on the brake pedal. Would it be possible to send me pics of > your "plumbing" and the switch you added? Much appreciated - Joe > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Joe Jaffoni <427390 at gmail.com> > Date: Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 5:43 PM > Subject: Brake Pressure Differential Valve > To: > > > I am getting close to the first post-resto drive and tried to bleed the > brakes this weekend but brake fluid is leaking out (heavily) from the > center of the port where the brown brake pressure differential switch is > screwed in. I previously had the valve rebuilt by Muscle Car Research in > Virginia which sells the rebuild kit... > > > > From what I?ve read, there should be no fluid at this "switch" port so the > leak indicates that the internal o-rings are allowing brake fluid into that > center port. I don?t want to try to rebuild it again. > > > Does anyone know where to get another one? Preferably new? Wilkinson lists > it (https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A) but I tried > Steve earlier and he is on vacation and I am trying to get the replacement > so I can spend the three day weekend replacing it and cleaning up the brake > fluid on the new carpet in the front trunk - Thanks > -------------- next part -------------- ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Joe Jaffoni <[1]427390 at gmail.com> Date: Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Brake Pressure Differential Valve To: Julian Kift <[2]julian_kift at hotmail.com> Thanks Julian - it is leaking from the plastic switch in the center of the brass block that faces toward the rear of the car.A If everything is working correctly, it is my understanding there is not supposed to be any fluid in that location (so it's not a cross thread issue but rather as you say, and internal issue probably due to failure of the o rings which were supposed to have been replaced when it was rebuilt). A I am going to check in with the vendors shortly to see what they can hook me up with (they are on the west coast and I'm in NYC, the worst place in the USA to try to get car parts of any kind)... If the vendors can't help, I have asked Mike Drew, GoNancy and Chuck Engels for photos of their shuttle valve elimination set ups and I'll go that route - Joe On Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 11:21 AM Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift at hotmail.com wrote: It may be a silly question, but the brake warning switch is original correct? That is a metric thread unit so just checking you don't have a thread mismatch issue. If the unit is leaking internally across the seals you have inter connectivity and possibly pressure equalization between your front and rear brake circuits which isn't ideal.A Did you call other vendors like Larry Stock for a replacement unit? Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <[4]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Joe Jaffoni <[5]427390 at gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:01 AM To: [6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Brake Pressure Differential Valve A I had a nice call from Larry Finch last night and one thought we had was to simply plug the port where theA brown brake pressure differential switch is screwed in.A I'd also like to consider the solution that GoNancy and Chuck Engles are using by eliminating the shuttle valve altogether and using a micro switch on the brake pedal.A Would it be possible to send me pics of your "plumbing" and the switch you added? Much appreciated - Joe ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Joe Jaffoni <[7]427390 at gmail.com> Date: Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 5:43 PM Subject: Brake Pressure Differential Valve To: <[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> I am getting close to the first post-resto drive and tried to bleed the brakes this weekend but brake fluid is leaking out (heavily) from the center of the port where the brown brake pressure differential switch is screwed in.A I previously had the valve rebuilt by Muscle Car Research in Virginia which sells the rebuild kit... From what Iave read, there should be no fluid at this "switch" port so the leak indicates that the internal o-rings are allowing brake fluid into that center port.A I donat want to try to rebuild it again. Does anyone know where to get another one? Preferably new? Wilkinson lists it ([9]https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A) but I tried Steve earlier and he is on vacation and I am trying to get the replacement so I can spend the three day weekend replacing it and cleaning up the brake fluid on the new carpet in the front trunk - Thanks References 1. mailto:427390 at gmail.com 2. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 3. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 4. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 5. mailto:427390 at gmail.com 6. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 7. mailto:427390 at gmail.com 8. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 9. https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/01316A From kenn_green at yahoo.com Wed Jan 16 00:20:56 2019 From: kenn_green at yahoo.com (Ken Green) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 05:20:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Burned Up Pantera sold for $19K References: <108588760.292870.1547616056610.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <108588760.292870.1547616056610@mail.yahoo.com> Looking at the photos, it's hard to imagine rebuilding this car: 1974 De Tomaso Other | eBay | | | | | | | | | | | 1974 De Tomaso Other | eBay In the late ?60s, Ford was looking for a high-performance GT car to replace theShelby Cobra and rival theChevrol... | | | | Too much of the metal looks like it is destroyed or very badly warped? -------------- next part -------------- Looking at the photos, it's hard to imagine rebuilding this car: [1]1974 De Tomaso Other | eBay [ebay.png] 1974 De Tomaso Other | eBay In the late a60s, Ford was looking for a high-performance GT car to replace theShelby Cobra and rival theChevrol... Too much of the metal looks like it is destroyed or very badly warped? References Visible links 1. https://www.ebay.com/itm/1974-De-Tomaso-Other-/303023363789?nordt=true&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m43663.l10137 Hidden links: 3. https://www.ebay.com/itm/1974-De-Tomaso-Other-/303023363789?nordt=true&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m43663.l10137 From cengles at cox.net Wed Jan 16 12:41:58 2019 From: cengles at cox.net (Charles Engles) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 11:41:58 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] Shelby American #56 and Pantera article Message-ID: <000e01d4adc2$cbfc3070$63f49150$@cox.net> Dear Forum, I have one copy of The Shelby American #56, 1989. It has a yellow Pantera on the cover and an article by Gary Berger (PCNC at the time), "So You Want to Buy a Pantera?". Would someone care to have this Shelby American? Warmest regards, Chuck Engles -------------- next part -------------- Dear Forum, I have one copy of The Shelby American #56, 1989. It has a yellow Pantera on the cover and an article by Gary Berger (PCNC at the time), "So You Want to Buy a Pantera?". Would someone care to have this Shelby American? Warmest regards, Chuck Engles From audionut at mediacombb.net Wed Jan 16 15:20:34 2019 From: audionut at mediacombb.net (audionut motonut) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 15:20:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [DeTomaso] Burned Up Pantera sold for $19K In-Reply-To: <108588760.292870.1547616056610@mail.yahoo.com> References: <108588760.292870.1547616056610.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <108588760.292870.1547616056610@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1981680747.59614926.1547670034579.JavaMail.zimbra@mediacombb.net> Hmmmm.........evidently somebody has a soft spot for lost causes? There can't be 19K worth of parts there. Maybe it was purchased by Mad Dog Antenucci. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Green via DeTomaso" To: "List DeTomaso Forum" Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 9:20:56 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Burned Up Pantera sold for $19K Looking at the photos, it's hard to imagine rebuilding this car: 1974 De Tomaso Other | eBay | | | | | | | | | | | 1974 De Tomaso Other | eBay In the late ?60s, Ford was looking for a high-performance GT car to replace theShelby Cobra and rival theChevrol... | | | | Too much of the metal looks like it is destroyed or very badly warped? _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Hmmmm.........evidently somebody has a soft spot for lost causes? There can't be 19K worth of parts there. Maybe it was purchased by Mad Dog Antenucci. __________________________________________________________________ From: "Ken Green via DeTomaso" To: "List DeTomaso Forum" Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 9:20:56 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Burned Up Pantera sold for $19K Looking at the photos, it's hard to imagine rebuilding this car: 1974 De Tomaso Other | eBay | | | | | | | | | | | 1974 De Tomaso Other | eBay In the late a60s, Ford was looking for a high-performance GT car to replace theShelby Cobra and rival theChevrol... | | | | Too much of the metal looks like it is destroyed or very badly warped? _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From garth_rodericks at yahoo.com Wed Jan 16 15:32:35 2019 From: garth_rodericks at yahoo.com (Garth Rodericks) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 20:32:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Hagerty Barn Find Hunter Goose References: <1537601862.699606.1547670755564.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1537601862.699606.1547670755564@mail.yahoo.com> Tom Cotter follows a tip from a viewer that?leads him to a former Buick dealership in Iowa where he finds a 1968 DeTomaso Mangusta. https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/articles/2019/01/16/barn-find-hunter-48 -------------- next part -------------- Tom Cotter follows a tip from a viewer that leads him to a former Buick dealership in Iowa where he finds a 1968 DeTomaso Mangusta. [1]https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/articles/2019/01/16/barn-fin d-hunter-48 References 1. https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/articles/2019/01/16/barn-find-hunter-48 From panteradon at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 16:39:19 2019 From: panteradon at gmail.com (Don Franck) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 15:39:19 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] Burned Up Pantera sold for $19K In-Reply-To: <1981680747.59614926.1547670034579.JavaMail.zimbra@mediacombb.net> References: <108588760.292870.1547616056610.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <108588760.292870.1547616056610@mail.yahoo.com> <1981680747.59614926.1547670034579.JavaMail.zimbra@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: I will sell a nice car that is not burned up for not tto much more: https://www.spacecitypanteras.com/For%20Sale/GT5%20for%20sale/ Don Franck On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 2:20 PM audionut motonut wrote: > Hmmmm.........evidently somebody has a soft spot for lost causes? > There can't be 19K worth of parts there. > > Maybe it was purchased by Mad Dog Antenucci. > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: "Ken Green via DeTomaso" > To: "List DeTomaso Forum" > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 9:20:56 PM > Subject: [DeTomaso] Burned Up Pantera sold for $19K > Looking at the photos, it's hard to imagine rebuilding this car: > 1974 De Tomaso Other | eBay > > | > | > | > | | | > | > | > | > | | > 1974 De Tomaso Other | eBay > In the late a60s, Ford was looking for a high-performance GT car to > replace theShelby Cobra and rival theChevrol... | | > | > | > > Too much of the metal looks like it is destroyed or very badly warped? > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages. > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. -- Don -------------- next part -------------- I will sell a nice car that is not burned up for not tto much more: [1]https://www.spacecitypanteras.com/For%20Sale/GT5%20for%20sale/ Don Franck On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 2:20 PM audionut motonut <[2]audionut at mediacombb.net> wrote: A A Hmmmm.........evidently somebody has a soft spot for lost causes? A A There can't be 19K worth of parts there. A A Maybe it was purchased by Mad Dog Antenucci. A A A __________________________________________________________________ A A From: "Ken Green via DeTomaso" <[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> A A To: "List DeTomaso Forum" <[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> A A Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 9:20:56 PM A A Subject: [DeTomaso] Burned Up Pantera sold for $19K A A Looking at the photos, it's hard to imagine rebuilding this car: A A 1974 De Tomaso Other | eBay A A | A A | A A | A A |A A |A A | A A A | A A A | A A | A A |A A | A A 1974 De Tomaso Other | eBay A A In the late a60s, Ford was looking for a high-performance GT car to A A replace theShelby Cobra and rival theChevrol...A |A A | A A A | A A A | A A Too much of the metal looks like it is destroyed or very badly warped? A A _______________________________________________ A A Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA A A Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes A A DeTomaso mailing list A A [5]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com A A [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso A A To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) A A use the links above. A A Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any A A message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the A A list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive A A or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [7]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [8]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -- Don References 1. https://www.spacecitypanteras.com/For%20Sale/GT5%20for%20sale/ 2. mailto:audionut at mediacombb.net 3. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 4. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 5. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 7. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 8. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From detomasoregistry at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 16:49:42 2019 From: detomasoregistry at gmail.com (The DeTomaso Registry Guy) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 13:49:42 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Shelby American #56 and Pantera article In-Reply-To: <000e01d4adc2$cbfc3070$63f49150$@cox.net> References: <000e01d4adc2$cbfc3070$63f49150$@cox.net> Message-ID: <6F8007EE9DC24E43973283CD649A4E35@BOSS3A> I would like a "scan" for the registry. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Charles Engles Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 9:42 AM To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Shelby American #56 and Pantera article Dear Forum, I have one copy of The Shelby American #56, 1989. It has a yellow Pantera on the cover and an article by Gary Berger (PCNC at the time), "So You Want to Buy a Pantera?". Would someone care to have this Shelby American? Warmest regards, Chuck Engles From richbhoppe at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 18:02:09 2019 From: richbhoppe at gmail.com (Rich Hoppe) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 16:02:09 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] felpro intake manifold gasket Message-ID: I tried to look it up but cannot find it. Felpro intake manifold gasket ---Blue seal against head or against intake manifold? Thanks Rich -------------- next part -------------- I tried to look it up but cannot find it. Felpro intake manifold gasket ---Blue seal against head or against intake manifold? Thanks Rich From asajay at asajay.com Wed Jan 16 23:14:17 2019 From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 20:14:17 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Hagerty Barn Find Hunter Goose In-Reply-To: <1537601862.699606.1547670755564@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1537601862.699606.1547670755564.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1537601862.699606.1547670755564@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3a8375e8-d1ae-688e-c206-e868ba33e9fd@asajay.com> Ohhh... droool. That Goose is in very nice shape.? I always liked them but never could afford one. Asa? Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired Spokane County ARES-RACES Net Manager ****************************** http://w7tsc.org http://www.teampanteraracing.com On 1/16/2019 12:32, Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso wrote: > Tom Cotter follows a tip from a viewer that leads him to a former Buick > dealership in Iowa where he finds a 1968 DeTomaso Mangusta. > > [1]https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/articles/2019/01/16/barn-fin > d-hunter-48 > > References > > 1. https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/articles/2019/01/16/barn-find-hunter-48 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Ohhh... droool. That Goose is in very nice shape. I always liked them but never could afford one. Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired Spokane County ARES-RACES Net Manager ****************************** [1]http://w7tsc.org [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com On 1/16/2019 12:32, Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso wrote: Tom Cotter follows a tip from a viewer that leads him to a former Buick dealership in Iowa where he finds a 1968 DeTomaso Mangusta. [1][3]https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/articles/2019/01/16/barn-fin d-hunter-48 References 1. [4]https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/articles/2019/01/16/barn-find-h unter-48 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [5]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the li nks above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message p osted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of lis t messages. References 1. http://w7tsc.org/ 2. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 3. https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/articles/2019/01/16/barn-fin 4. https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/articles/2019/01/16/barn-find-hunter-48 5. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From MikeLDrew at aol.com Wed Jan 16 23:47:21 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 20:47:21 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Hagerty Barn Find Hunter Goose In-Reply-To: <3a8375e8-d1ae-688e-c206-e868ba33e9fd@asajay.com> References: <1537601862.699606.1547670755564.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1537601862.699606.1547670755564@mail.yahoo.com> <3a8375e8-d1ae-688e-c206-e868ba33e9fd@asajay.com> Message-ID: <21ECFABF-ED66-4BB3-AC9F-AC937717F0B6@aol.com> AJ, It?s not quite it as nice as it looks. Vandals broke in and did some damage. Something heavy fell on the right front corner I think (which you never see) and it needs bodywork. Robert told me he was driving it and blew a shift, and upshifted from second to first (or something like that) and totally blew the engine, rod through the block time. So it needs a fair bit of work before it can be back on the road. But apart from the Lamborghini and the Chrysler it?s the nicest-condition car he has. Mike Sent from my iPad > On Jan 16, 2019, at 20:14, Asa Jay Laughton wrote: > > Ohhh... droool. > That Goose is in very nice shape. I always liked them but never could > afford one. > Asa Jay > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired > Spokane County ARES-RACES Net Manager > ****************************** > [1]http://w7tsc.org > [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com > > On 1/16/2019 12:32, Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso wrote: > > Tom Cotter follows a tip from a viewer that leads him to a former Buick > dealership in Iowa where he finds a 1968 DeTomaso Mangusta. > > [1][3]https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/articles/2019/01/16/barn-fin > d-hunter-48 > > References > > 1. 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They also grant > the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of lis > t messages. > > References > > 1. http://w7tsc.org/ > 2. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ > 3. https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/articles/2019/01/16/barn-fin > 4. https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/articles/2019/01/16/barn-find-hunter-48 > 5. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From bjbstewart at yahoo.com Thu Jan 17 11:22:33 2019 From: bjbstewart at yahoo.com (Brent Stewart) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 16:22:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Buying a car out of state - help! References: <917020614.1225378.1547742153636.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <917020614.1225378.1547742153636@mail.yahoo.com> .All,Quick question for those that have purchased a car on ebay or BaT, etc - what is the best way to ensure you don't get taken?? Hate to wire a bunch of money, then I have no money, no pink slip, no car..Do you have to just blindly trust the seller?? Or is there a better process?? Really could use some help with this one....Thanks for your advice!.brent. -------------- next part -------------- . All, Quick question for those that have purchased a car on ebay or BaT, etc - what is the best way to ensure you don't get taken? Hate to wire a bunch of money, then I have no money, no pink slip, no car. . Do you have to just blindly trust the seller? Or is there a better process? Really could use some help with this one... . Thanks for your advice! . brent . From julian_kift at hotmail.com Thu Jan 17 11:51:05 2019 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 16:51:05 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Buying a car out of state - help! In-Reply-To: <917020614.1225378.1547742153636@mail.yahoo.com> References: <917020614.1225378.1547742153636.ref@mail.yahoo.com>, <917020614.1225378.1547742153636@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Brent, I have done just that in the past with wired funds on multiple occasions, but not until I have completed a little detective work on transaction history, type etc. and physically spoken to the seller a couple times. With scams being far more prevalent and sophisticated I'd now be more reluctant to part with my money so willingly in that fashion. There are escrow services available, but even they need checking out thoroughly, especially if recommended by the seller. I'd likely try calling on the De Tomaso community and pay a local member to check out the car and seller are real with a physical location. eBay theoretically has buyer protection, but I wouldn't want to test that and not sure it covers payments outside Paypal. I have no idea how BaT fine print reads, as to whether they are simply a consignor/broker on commission or whether they have skin in the game. You would think they would want to ensure a smooth transaction with the open forum commenting. Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Brent Stewart via DeTomaso Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 8:22 AM To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Buying a car out of state - help! .All,Quick question for those that have purchased a car on ebay or BaT, etc - what is the best way to ensure you don't get taken? Hate to wire a bunch of money, then I have no money, no pink slip, no car..Do you have to just blindly trust the seller? Or is there a better process? Really could use some help with this one....Thanks for your advice!.brent. -------------- next part -------------- Brent, I have done just that in the past with wired funds on multiple occasions, but not until I have completed a little detective work on transaction history, type etc. and physically spoken to the seller a couple times. With scams being far more prevalent and sophisticated I'd now be more reluctant to part with my money so willingly in that fashion. There are escrow services available, but even they need checking out thoroughly, especially if recommended by the seller. I'd likely try calling on the De Tomaso community and pay a local member to check out the car and seller are real with a physical location. eBay theoretically has buyer protection, but I wouldn't want to test that and not sure it covers payments outside Paypal. I have no idea how BaT fine print reads, as to whether they are simply a consignor/broker on commission or whether they have skin in the game. You would think they would want to ensure a smooth transaction with the open forum commenting. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Brent Stewart via DeTomaso Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 8:22 AM To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Buying a car out of state - help! .All,Quick question for those that have purchased a car on ebay or BaT, etc - what is the best way to ensure you don't get taken? Hate to wire a bunch of money, then I have no money, no pink slip, no car..Do you have to just blindly trust the seller? Or is there a better process? Really could use some help with this one....Thanks for your advice!.brent. From Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov Thu Jan 17 12:02:28 2019 From: Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov (Himes, Terry (397C)) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 17:02:28 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Buying a car out of state - help! In-Reply-To: <917020614.1225378.1547742153636@mail.yahoo.com> References: <917020614.1225378.1547742153636.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <917020614.1225378.1547742153636@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <27B34513-E910-4D9B-B197-32F681231F9D@jpl.nasa.gov> Brent, I've bought both my 2005 Nissan Xterra and 2007 Jeep Wangler on eBay. I got a great price and a great car both times. Xterra was in Houston, TX and the Jeep was in Phoenix, AZ. Here's what I did; 1. NEVER bid or buy until someone has inspected and test-driven the car. eBay offers mechanic's in the area for you to contract with. They will give you several, and I strongly suggest you call several. Be prepared to ask them questions that prove they are legitimate mechanics. The questions may seem stupid to us, but if they hesitate, fumble for an answer, or just fake it... hang up immediately. Ask several qustions. 2. Make sure they can do a thorough inspection of the car AND take it for a test drive. 3. Make sure they produce a detailed report. The Houston guy I worked with sent me a 5-6 page of detailed report. 4. Car carrier? I contacted a Car Carrier and told them I had a vehicle to pick up in Houston. I wanted to reduce costs and was in no hurry, so I asked them to notify me when a carrier was passing thru Houston with space available. They called about 2 weeks later. The Xterra was picked up and the driver called me when he was within a day of drop off. The driver was very nice and dropped the car off the day he said he would. $400. 5. eBay protects you. They have a reputation to protect so they are very sensitive to any bad deals. I do most all my business on eBay and have never had a problem that wasn't solved satisfactorily. If I think of anything more, I will let you know. Terry I asked an alleged mechanic in Houston "What function does the coil perform in an automobile?" He was dead silent for about 1 1/2 minutes, then I said "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Juno Systems & Software Team TGO Sequence Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov ?? ?On 1/17/19, 8:22 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Brent Stewart via DeTomaso" wrote: .All,Quick question for those that have purchased a car on ebay or BaT, etc - what is the best way to ensure you don't get taken? Hate to wire a bunch of money, then I have no money, no pink slip, no car..Do you have to just blindly trust the seller? Or is there a better process? Really could use some help with this one....Thanks for your advice!.brent. From bjbstewart at yahoo.com Thu Jan 17 12:11:19 2019 From: bjbstewart at yahoo.com (Brent Stewart) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 17:11:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Buying a car out of state - help! In-Reply-To: <27B34513-E910-4D9B-B197-32F681231F9D@jpl.nasa.gov> References: <917020614.1225378.1547742153636.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <917020614.1225378.1547742153636@mail.yahoo.com> <27B34513-E910-4D9B-B197-32F681231F9D@jpl.nasa.gov> Message-ID: <1717327905.1230160.1547745079953@mail.yahoo.com> Guys, I REALLY appreciate all the help!!? And so quickly!.The advice provided is excellent, I will follow closely....Thanks again!!!.brent On Thursday, January 17, 2019, 9:02:37 AM PST, Himes, Terry (397C) wrote: Brent, I've bought both my 2005 Nissan Xterra and 2007 Jeep Wangler on eBay.? I got a great price and a great car both times. Xterra was in Houston, TX and the Jeep was in Phoenix, AZ. Here's what I did; 1. NEVER bid or buy until someone has inspected and test-driven the car.? eBay offers mechanic's in the area for ? ? you to contract with. They will give you several, and I strongly suggest you call several. Be prepared to ask them ? ? questions that prove they are legitimate mechanics. The questions may seem stupid to us, but if they hesitate, ? ? fumble for an answer, or just fake it... hang up immediately. Ask several qustions. 2. Make sure they can do a thorough inspection of the car AND take it for a test drive. 3. Make sure they produce a detailed report. The Houston guy I worked with sent me a 5-6 page of detailed report. 4. Car carrier?? I contacted a Car Carrier and told them I had a vehicle to pick up in Houston. I wanted to reduce costs ? ? and was in no hurry, so I asked them to notify me when a carrier was passing thru Houston with space available. ? ? They called about 2 weeks later. The Xterra was picked up and the driver called me when he was within a day of ? ? drop off. The driver was very nice and dropped the car off the day he said he would.? $400. 5.? eBay protects you. They have a reputation to protect so they are very sensitive to any bad deals. I do most all my ? ? business on eBay and have never had a problem that wasn't solved satisfactorily. If I think of anything more, I will let you know. Terry I asked an alleged mechanic in Houston "What function ? ? does the coil perform in an automobile?"? He was dead silent for about 1 1/2 minutes, then I said "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Juno Systems & Software Team TGO Sequence Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell:? ? (818) 653-8213 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov ?? ?On 1/17/19, 8:22 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Brent Stewart via DeTomaso" wrote: ? ? .All,Quick question for those that have purchased a car on ebay or BaT, etc - what is the best way to ensure you don't get taken?? Hate to wire a bunch of money, then I have no money, no pink slip, no car..Do you have to just blindly trust the seller?? Or is there a better process?? Really could use some help with this one....Thanks for your advice!.brent. -------------- next part -------------- Guys, I REALLY appreciate all the help!! And so quickly! . The advice provided is excellent, I will follow closely... . Thanks again!!! . brent On Thursday, January 17, 2019, 9:02:37 AM PST, Himes, Terry (397C) wrote: Brent, I've bought both my 2005 Nissan Xterra and 2007 Jeep Wangler on eBay. I got a great price and a great car both times. Xterra was in Houston, TX and the Jeep was in Phoenix, AZ. Here's what I did; 1. NEVER bid or buy until someone has inspected and test-driven the car. eBay offers mechanic's in the area for you to contract with. They will give you several, and I strongly suggest you call several. Be prepared to ask them questions that prove they are legitimate mechanics. The questions may seem stupid to us, but if they hesitate, fumble for an answer, or just fake it... hang up immediately. Ask several qustions. 2. Make sure they can do a thorough inspection of the car AND take it for a test drive. 3. Make sure they produce a detailed report. The Houston guy I worked with sent me a 5-6 page of detailed report. 4. Car carrier? I contacted a Car Carrier and told them I had a vehicle to pick up in Houston. I wanted to reduce costs and was in no hurry, so I asked them to notify me when a carrier was passing thru Houston with space available. They called about 2 weeks later. The Xterra was picked up and the driver called me when he was within a day of drop off. The driver was very nice and dropped the car off the day he said he would. $400. 5. eBay protects you. They have a reputation to protect so they are very sensitive to any bad deals. I do most all my business on eBay and have never had a problem that wasn't solved satisfactorily. If I think of anything more, I will let you know. Terry I asked an alleged mechanic in Houston "What function does the coil perform in an automobile?" He was dead silent for about 1 1/2 minutes, then I said "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Juno Systems & Software Team TGO Sequence Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov d--od-, i>>?On 1/17/19, 8:22 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Brent Stewart via DeTomaso" <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of [3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: .All,Quick question for those that have purchased a car on ebay or BaT, etc - what is the best way to ensure you don't get taken? Hate to wire a bunch of money, then I have no money, no pink slip, no car..Do you have to just blindly trust the seller? Or is there a better process? Really could use some help with this one....Thanks for your advice!.brent. References 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 3. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com From Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov Thu Jan 17 12:20:12 2019 From: Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov (Himes, Terry (397C)) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 17:20:12 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Buying a car out of state - help! In-Reply-To: <1717327905.1230160.1547745079953@mail.yahoo.com> References: <917020614.1225378.1547742153636.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <917020614.1225378.1547742153636@mail.yahoo.com> <27B34513-E910-4D9B-B197-32F681231F9D@jpl.nasa.gov> <1717327905.1230160.1547745079953@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Oh. The mechanic I hired charged me $90. "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Juno Systems & Software Team TGO Sequence Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov ?? From: Brent Stewart Date: Thursday, January 17, 2019 at 9:11 AM To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" , Terry Himes Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Buying a car out of state - help! Guys, I REALLY appreciate all the help!! And so quickly! . The advice provided is excellent, I will follow closely... . Thanks again!!! . brent On Thursday, January 17, 2019, 9:02:37 AM PST, Himes, Terry (397C) wrote: Brent, I've bought both my 2005 Nissan Xterra and 2007 Jeep Wangler on eBay. I got a great price and a great car both times. Xterra was in Houston, TX and the Jeep was in Phoenix, AZ. Here's what I did; 1. NEVER bid or buy until someone has inspected and test-driven the car. eBay offers mechanic's in the area for you to contract with. They will give you several, and I strongly suggest you call several. Be prepared to ask them questions that prove they are legitimate mechanics. The questions may seem stupid to us, but if they hesitate, fumble for an answer, or just fake it... hang up immediately. Ask several qustions. 2. Make sure they can do a thorough inspection of the car AND take it for a test drive. 3. Make sure they produce a detailed report. The Houston guy I worked with sent me a 5-6 page of detailed report. 4. Car carrier? I contacted a Car Carrier and told them I had a vehicle to pick up in Houston. I wanted to reduce costs and was in no hurry, so I asked them to notify me when a carrier was passing thru Houston with space available. They called about 2 weeks later. The Xterra was picked up and the driver called me when he was within a day of drop off. The driver was very nice and dropped the car off the day he said he would. $400. 5. eBay protects you. They have a reputation to protect so they are very sensitive to any bad deals. I do most all my business on eBay and have never had a problem that wasn't solved satisfactorily. If I think of anything more, I will let you know. Terry I asked an alleged mechanic in Houston "What function does the coil perform in an automobile?" He was dead silent for about 1 1/2 minutes, then I said "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Juno Systems & Software Team TGO Sequence Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov ?? On 1/17/19, 8:22 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Brent Stewart via DeTomaso" on behalf of detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: .All,Quick question for those that have purchased a car on ebay or BaT, etc - what is the best way to ensure you don't get taken? Hate to wire a bunch of money, then I have no money, no pink slip, no car..Do you have to just blindly trust the seller? Or is there a better process? Really could use some help with this one....Thanks for your advice!.brent. -------------- next part -------------- Oh. The mechanic I hired charged me $90. "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Juno Systems & Software Team TGO Sequence Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 🇺🇸 From: Brent Stewart Date: Thursday, January 17, 2019 at 9:11 AM To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" , Terry Himes Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Buying a car out of state - help! Guys, I REALLY appreciate all the help!! And so quickly! . The advice provided is excellent, I will follow closely... . Thanks again!!! . brent On Thursday, January 17, 2019, 9:02:37 AM PST, Himes, Terry (397C) wrote: Brent, I've bought both my 2005 Nissan Xterra and 2007 Jeep Wangler on eBay. I got a great price and a great car both times. Xterra was in Houston, TX and the Jeep was in Phoenix, AZ. Here's what I did; 1. NEVER bid or buy until someone has inspected and test-driven the car. eBay offers mechanic's in the area for you to contract with. They will give you several, and I strongly suggest you call several. Be prepared to ask them questions that prove they are legitimate mechanics. The questions may seem stupid to us, but if they hesitate, fumble for an answer, or just fake it... hang up immediately. Ask several qustions. 2. Make sure they can do a thorough inspection of the car AND take it for a test drive. 3. Make sure they produce a detailed report. The Houston guy I worked with sent me a 5-6 page of detailed report. 4. Car carrier? I contacted a Car Carrier and told them I had a vehicle to pick up in Houston. I wanted to reduce costs and was in no hurry, so I asked them to notify me when a carrier was passing thru Houston with space available. They called about 2 weeks later. The Xterra was picked up and the driver called me when he was within a day of drop off. The driver was very nice and dropped the car off the day he said he would. $400. 5. eBay protects you. They have a reputation to protect so they are very sensitive to any bad deals. I do most all my business on eBay and have never had a problem that wasn't solved satisfactorily. If I think of anything more, I will let you know. Terry I asked an alleged mechanic in Houston "What function does the coil perform in an automobile?" He was dead silent for about 1 1/2 minutes, then I said "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Juno Systems & Software Team TGO Sequence Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 [2]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 🇺🇸 On 1/17/19, 8:22 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Brent Stewart via DeTomaso" <[3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of [4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: .All,Quick question for those that have purchased a car on ebay or BaT, etc - what is the best way to ensure you don't get taken? Hate to wire a bunch of money, then I have no money, no pink slip, no car..Do you have to just blindly trust the seller? Or is there a better process? Really could use some help with this one....Thanks for your advice!.brent. References 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 3. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 4. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com From marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 17 13:54:25 2019 From: marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net (marshall smith) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 18:54:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine References: <1716746311.1340102.1547751265820.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1716746311.1340102.1547751265820@mail.yahoo.com> Hitlers reaction to California's new exhaust law. http://www.captiongenerator.com/1241172/Hitler-reacts-to-Californias-new-exhaust-law -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 1/11/19, Ken Green via DeTomaso wrote: Subject: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine To: "List DeTomaso Forum" Date: Friday, January 11, 2019, 3:21 PM ? How loud is 95dB? ? [1]Three Ways To Beat California's Absurd New Exhaust Law ? ? ? ? ? Three Ways To Beat California's Absurd New Exhaust Law ? We offer three solutions to getting around California's crazy new ? exhaust law. Take our advice or pay the pr... References ? Visible links ? 1. https://www.streetmusclemag.com/news/3-ways-to-beat-californias-absurd-new-exhaust-law/ ? Hidden links: ? 3. https://www.streetmusclemag.com/news/3-ways-to-beat-californias-absurd-new-exhaust-law/ _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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Now you can get a $1000 fine on your $500 Honda for your $ 35 fart can from EBay. jerry knotts On 1/17/2019 12:54 PM, marshall smith wrote: > Hitlers reaction to California's new exhaust law. > http://www.captiongenerator.com/1241172/Hitler-reacts-to-Californias-new-exhaust-law > > --------------------------------------------On Fri, 1/11/19, Ken Green via DeTomaso wrote: > Subject: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine To: "List DeTomaso Forum" Date: Friday, January 11, 2019, 3:21 PM ? How loud is 95dB? ? [1]Three Ways To Beat California's Absurd New Exhaust Law ? ? ? ? ? Three Ways To Beat California's Absurd New Exhaust Law ? We offer three solutions to getting around California's crazy new ? exhaust law. Take our advice or pay the pr... References ? Visible links ? 1. https://www.streetmusclemag.com/news/3-ways-to-beat-californias-absurd-new-exhaust-law/ ? 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I know that there are owners who have replaced their old alternators with this type of alternator, how have you solved this issue? Skipped the light completely or did you not have this problem? I'm contemplating adding a suitable zener diode in series with the wire, but it will take some testing to make sure that the current to the alternator then is enough to excite the field. I'm also using this wire to engage the DRL:s, so hard wiring it to switched 12V will kill that functionality too. Cheers, Thomas -- Real life: Thomas T?rnblom Email: thomas at hax.se Snail mail: Banvallsv?gen 14 Phone: +46 18 32 31 18 S - 754 40 Uppsala, Sweden Mobile: +46 76 209 8320 From pantdino at aol.com Thu Jan 17 15:21:53 2019 From: pantdino at aol.com (Pantdino) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 20:21:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine References: <921763835.1385014.1547756513932.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <921763835.1385014.1547756513932@mail.yahoo.com> gotta love that video Jim -----Original Message----- From: marshall smith To: List DeTomaso Forum ; Ken Green Sent: Thu, Jan 17, 2019 10:54 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine Hitlers reaction to California's new exhaust law. http://www.captiongenerator.com/1241172/Hitler-reacts-to-Californias-new-exhaust-law -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 1/11/19, Ken Green via DeTomaso wrote: Subject: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine To: "List DeTomaso Forum" Date: Friday, January 11, 2019, 3:21 PM ?? How loud is 95dB? ?? [1]Three Ways To Beat California's Absurd New Exhaust Law ? ? ? ? ? Three Ways To Beat California's Absurd New Exhaust Law ?? We offer three solutions to getting around California's crazy new ?? exhaust law. Take our advice or pay the pr... References ?? Visible links ?? 1. https://www.streetmusclemag.com/news/3-ways-to-beat-californias-absurd-new-exhaust-law/ ?? Hidden links: ?? 3. https://www.streetmusclemag.com/news/3-ways-to-beat-californias-absurd-new-exhaust-law/ _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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Take our advice or pay the pr... References Visible links 1. [4]https://www.streetmusclemag.com/news/3-ways-to-beat-californias-absu rd-new-exhaust-law/ Hidden links: 3. [5]https://www.streetmusclemag.com/news/3-ways-to-beat-californias-absu rd-new-exhaust-law/ _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [6]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [7]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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References 1. http://www.captiongenerator.com/1241172/Hitler-reacts-to-Californias-new-exhaust-law 2. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 3. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 4. https://www.streetmusclemag.com/news/3-ways-to-beat-californias-absurd-new-exhaust-law/ 5. https://www.streetmusclemag.com/news/3-ways-to-beat-californias-absurd-new-exhaust-law/ 6. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 7. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 8. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 9. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From byrdjf at embarqmail.com Thu Jan 17 15:36:39 2019 From: byrdjf at embarqmail.com (Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 15:36:39 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine In-Reply-To: <921763835.1385014.1547756513932@mail.yahoo.com> References: <921763835.1385014.1547756513932.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <921763835.1385014.1547756513932@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000601d4aea4$5986c0e0$0c9442a0$@com> Can't watch the vid. But did find the "captions" hilarious -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Pantdino via DeTomaso Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 15:22 PM To: marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; kenn_green at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine gotta love that video Jim -----Original Message----- From: marshall smith To: List DeTomaso Forum ; Ken Green Sent: Thu, Jan 17, 2019 10:54 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine Hitlers reaction to California's new exhaust law. http://www.captiongenerator.com/1241172/Hitler-reacts-to-Californias-new-exhaust-law -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 1/11/19, Ken Green via DeTomaso wrote: Subject: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine To: "List DeTomaso Forum" Date: Friday, January 11, 2019, 3:21 PM How loud is 95dB? [1]Three Ways To Beat California's Absurd New Exhaust Law Three Ways To Beat California's Absurd New Exhaust Law We offer three solutions to getting around California's crazy new exhaust law. Take our advice or pay the pr... References Visible links 1. https://www.streetmusclemag.com/news/3-ways-to-beat-californias-absurd-new-exhaust-law/ Hidden links: 3. https://www.streetmusclemag.com/news/3-ways-to-beat-californias-absurd-new-exhaust-law/ _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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From chrisvkimball at msn.com Thu Jan 17 16:22:57 2019 From: chrisvkimball at msn.com (Christopher Kimball) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 21:22:57 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC 1951 Chev Estate Sale In-Reply-To: <001001d4aeaa$40d744b0$c285ce10$@OldCarNutBook.com> References: <001001d4aeaa$40d744b0$c285ce10$@OldCarNutBook.com> Message-ID: Just the messenger. A friend of mine has a friend selling an almost-restored collector car. Could be a good deal for someone. Email: Contact at OldCarNutBook.com for more info. Sincerely, Chris ________________________________ From: David Dickinson Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 1:18 PM To: chrisvkimball at msn.com Subject: 1951 Chev Estate Sale Chris, Attached are some notes and a couple of pics. More info and pics coming. Car is in Covington. I think $10K could take it all. David Dickinson 206-354-8347 -------------- next part -------------- Just the messenger. A friend of mine has a friend selling an almost-restored collector car. 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Name: 1951 Chev Estate Sale.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 243842 bytes Desc: 1951 Chev Estate Sale.docx URL: From lance730 at msn.com Thu Jan 17 17:28:05 2019 From: lance730 at msn.com (Trip Owen) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 22:28:05 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] CARB Message-ID: As you may know Larry Stocks custom carbs are on back order ? can someone suggest another ?bolt on? carb for stock 351C with mild cam, or is it worth waiting? Trip Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -------------- next part -------------- As you may know Larry Stocks custom carbs are on back order - can someone suggest another "bolt on" carb for stock 351C with mild cam, or is it worth waiting? Trip Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 References 1. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 From MikeLDrew at aol.com Thu Jan 17 17:46:59 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 14:46:59 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] CARB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CB8EAC2-2999-4E67-B69C-413BA136323E@aol.com> Trip, Assuming you don?t have a Ford cast-iron intake, and instead have some aftermarket square bore intake, a simple Holley 650 Double pumper (factory carb on Euro cars) or Holley 650 vacuum secondary would work great. Be sure not to get the cheap ones with side pivot floats. You want the 4150 versions with center pivot floats. Here is a vacuum secondary 4150. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-80783c Double pumper with manual (which is to say, no) choke: https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-4777c Double pumper with electric choke: https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-4777ce Any of these will likely make you very happy. Mike Sent from my iPad > On Jan 17, 2019, at 14:28, Trip Owen wrote: > > As you may know Larry Stocks custom carbs are on back order - can > someone suggest another "bolt on" carb for stock > > 351C with mild cam, or is it worth waiting? > > Trip > > > Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 > > References > > 1. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Trip, Assuming you don't have a Ford cast-iron intake, and instead have some aftermarket square bore intake, a simple Holley 650 Double pumper (factory carb on Euro cars) or Holley 650 vacuum secondary would work great. Be sure not to get the cheap ones with side pivot floats. You want the 4150 versions with center pivot floats. Here is a vacuum secondary 4150. [1]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-80783c Double pumper with manual (which is to say, no) choke: [2]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-4777c Double pumper with electric choke: [3]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-4777ce Any of these will likely make you very happy. Mike Sent from my iPad On Jan 17, 2019, at 14:28, Trip Owen <[4]lance730 at msn.com> wrote: As you may know Larry Stocks custom carbs are on back order - can someone suggest another "bolt on" carb for stock 351C with mild cam, or is it worth waiting? Trip Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 References 1. [5]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [6]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [7]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-80783c 2. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-4777c 3. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-4777ce 4. mailto:lance730 at msn.com 5. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 6. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 7. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From charlesmccall at gmail.com Fri Jan 18 03:20:04 2019 From: charlesmccall at gmail.com (Charles McCall) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 13:50:04 +0530 Subject: [DeTomaso] CARB In-Reply-To: <4CB8EAC2-2999-4E67-B69C-413BA136323E@aol.com> References: <4CB8EAC2-2999-4E67-B69C-413BA136323E@aol.com> Message-ID: I agree with Mike - on a mild engine build, an off-the-shelf carb will work just fine and you won't see much improvement, if any, from a custom job. If you did have a non-standard engine, then I'd suggest going to one of the shops that custom builds carbs for your specific engine configuration, like Chuck Nuytten. But for a standard configuration you should be happy with Mike's suggestion On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 4:17 AM Mike Drew via DeTomaso < detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > Trip, > Assuming you don't have a Ford cast-iron intake, and instead have some > aftermarket square bore intake, a simple Holley 650 Double pumper > (factory carb on Euro cars) or Holley 650 vacuum secondary would work > great. > Be sure not to get the cheap ones with side pivot floats. You want the > 4150 versions with center pivot floats. > Here is a vacuum secondary 4150. > > [1]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-80783c > > Double pumper with manual (which is to say, no) choke: > > [2]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-4777c > > Double pumper with electric choke: > > [3]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-4777ce > > Any of these will likely make you very happy. > > Mike > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 17, 2019, at 14:28, Trip Owen <[4]lance730 at msn.com> wrote: > > As you may know Larry Stocks custom carbs are on back order - can > > someone suggest another "bolt on" carb for stock > > 351C with mild cam, or is it worth waiting? > > Trip > > Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 > > References > > 1. [5]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > > DeTomaso mailing list > > [6]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > > [7]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of > the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an > archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > References > > 1. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-80783c > 2. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-4777c > 3. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-4777ce > 4. mailto:lance730 at msn.com > 5. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 > 6. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > 7. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- I agree with Mike - on a mild engine build, an off-the-shelf carb will work just fine and you won't see much improvement, if any, from a custom job. If you did have a non-standard engine, then I'd suggest going to one of the shops that custom builds carbs for your specific engine configuration, like Chuck Nuytten. But for a standard configuration you should be happy with Mike's suggestion On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 4:17 AM Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: A A Trip, A A Assuming you don't have a Ford cast-iron intake, and instead have some A A aftermarket square bore intake, a simple Holley 650 Double pumper A A (factory carb on Euro cars) or Holley 650 vacuum secondary would work A A great. A A Be sure not to get the cheap ones with side pivot floats. You want the A A 4150 versions with center pivot floats. A A Here is a vacuum secondary 4150. A A [1][2]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-80783c A A Double pumper with manual (which is to say, no) choke: A A [2][3]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-4777c A A Double pumper with electric choke: A A [3][4]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-4777ce A A Any of these will likely make you very happy. A A Mike A A Sent from my iPad A A A On Jan 17, 2019, at 14:28, Trip Owen <[4][5]lance730 at msn.com> wrote: A A A As you may know Larry Stocks custom carbs are on back order - can A A A someone suggest another "bolt on" carbA for stock A A A 351C with mild cam, or is it worth waiting? A A A Trip A A A Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 A A A References A A A 1. 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References 1. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 2. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-80783c 3. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-4777c 4. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-4777ce 5. mailto:lance730 at msn.com 6. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 7. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 8. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 9. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-80783c 10. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-4777c 11. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-4777ce 12. mailto:lance730 at msn.com 13. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 14. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 15. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 16. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 17. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From thomas at hax.se Fri Jan 18 03:41:53 2019 From: thomas at hax.se (=?UTF-8?Q?Thomas_T=c3=b6rnblom?=) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 09:41:53 +0100 Subject: [DeTomaso] Alternator swap, alternator indicator is on In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <89e1e6a4-83b3-fbd7-d2b7-5bdf8c1c4899@hax.se> I think I know what the problem is. I have a relay for my DRL where the coil is powered from the I lead and I suspect that the Ford alternator doesn't source enough power on the I lead to bring it to +12V, which would properly extinguish the alternator light. I will disconnect the relay and verify that this is the issue, and if so, I will either need to add a transistor to reduce the current draw on this signal, or power the relay from the stator wire, but that only provides about 6-7V, so may have to use a different relay. Cheers, Thomas Den 2019-01-17 kl. 20:22, skrev Thomas Tornblom: > I've replaced the Bosch alternator in my GT5 with a 130A Ford style > alternator from DB Electrical. > > I just started it up to check that everything works, and while it > charges, the alternator light doesn't go out, it just gets a bit dimmer. > > Measuring the voltage on the wire to the light I see that it is around > 7V, which is about half of what the alternator outputs. > > The stator wire should be around this voltage when the engine is > running but I'm surprised that the indicator/ignition wire is at that > voltage too. That seems wrong. > > I know that there are owners who have replaced their old alternators > with this type of alternator, how have you solved this issue? Skipped > the light completely or did you not have this problem? > > I'm contemplating adding a suitable zener diode in series with the > wire, but it will take some testing to make sure that the current to > the alternator then is enough to excite the field. > > I'm also using this wire to engage the DRL:s, so hard wiring it to > switched 12V will kill that functionality too. > > Cheers, > Thomas > -- Real life: Thomas T?rnblom Email: thomas at hax.se Snail mail: Banvallsv?gen 14 Phone: +46 18 32 31 18 S - 754 40 Uppsala, Sweden Mobile: +46 76 209 8320 From pantera at cox.net Fri Jan 18 08:22:26 2019 From: pantera at cox.net (Al C) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 05:22:26 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Is it a Pangusta or a Mantera? Message-ID: Hi, guys, I've been away, resurfaced, a car buddy recently sent me this link: Al Chelini #3915 https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2019/01/17/tjaarda-designed-gt-le-mans-raced-spyder-among-trio-of-serenissimas-from-volpi-collection/?refer=news https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2019/01/17/tjaarda-designed-gt-le-mans-raced-spyder-among-trio-of-serenissimas-from-volpi-collection/?refer=news -------------- next part -------------- Hi, guys, I've been away, resurfaced, a car buddy recently sent me this link: Al Chelini #3915 [1]https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2019/01/17/tjaarda-designed-gt-le-mans -raced-spyder-among-trio-of-serenissimas-from-volpi-collection/?refer=n ews [2]https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2019/01/17/tjaarda-designed-gt-le-mans -raced-spyder-among-trio-of-serenissimas-from-volpi-collection/?refer=n ews References 1. https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2019/01/17/tjaarda-designed-gt-le-mans-raced-spyder-among-trio-of-serenissimas-from-volpi-collection/?refer=news 2. https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2019/01/17/tjaarda-designed-gt-le-mans-raced-spyder-among-trio-of-serenissimas-from-volpi-collection/?refer=news From audionut at hushmail.com Fri Jan 18 15:01:26 2019 From: audionut at hushmail.com (audionut at hushmail.com) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 12:01:26 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] CARB In-Reply-To: References: <4CB8EAC2-2999-4E67-B69C-413BA136323E@aol.com> Message-ID: <20190118200126.86B11E06F5@smtp.hushmail.com> ...and no choke is necessary. I have Larry's Quick Fuel Holley with the choke completely removed and it always starts up just fine, even in winter. (Air temp was upper 30's last month when I last drove it) Sent using Hushmail On 1/18/2019 at 12:20 AM, "Charles McCall" wrote:I agree with Mike - on a mild engine build, an off-the-shelf carb will work just fine and you won't see much improvement, if any, from a custom job. If you did have a non-standard engine, then I'd suggest going to one of the shops that custom builds carbs for your specific engine configuration, like Chuck Nuytten. But for a standard configuration you should be happy with Mike's suggestion On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 4:17 AM Mike Drew via DeTomaso < detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > Trip, > Assuming you don't have a Ford cast-iron intake, and instead have some > aftermarket square bore intake, a simple Holley 650 Double pumper > (factory carb on Euro cars) or Holley 650 vacuum secondary would work > great. > Be sure not to get the cheap ones with side pivot floats. You want the > 4150 versions with center pivot floats. > Here is a vacuum secondary 4150. > > [1]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-80783c > > Double pumper with manual (which is to say, no) choke: > > [2]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-4777c > > Double pumper with electric choke: > > [3]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-4777ce > > Any of these will likely make you very happy. > > Mike > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 17, 2019, at 14:28, Trip Owen wrote: > > As you may know Larry Stocks custom carbs are on back order - can > > someone suggest another "bolt on" carb for stock > > 351C with mild cam, or is it worth waiting? > > Trip > > Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 > > References > > 1. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an > archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > References > > 1. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-80783c > 2. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-4777c > 3. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-4777ce > 4. mailto:lance730 at msn.com > 5. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 > 6. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > 7. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- ...and no choke is necessary. I have Larry's Quick Fuel Holley with the choke completely removed and it always starts up just fine, even in winter. (Air temp was upper 30's last month when I last drove it) Sent using Hushmail On 1/18/2019 at 12:20 AM, "Charles McCall" wrote: I agree with Mike - on a mild engine build, an off-the-shelf carb will work just fine and you won't see much improvement, if any, from a custom job. If you did have a non-standard engine, then I'd suggest going to one of the shops that custom builds carbs for your specific engine configuration, like Chuck Nuytten. But for a standard configuration you should be happy with Mike's suggestion On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 4:17 AM Mike Drew via DeTomaso < detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > Trip, > Assuming you don't have a Ford cast-iron intake, and instead have some > aftermarket square bore intake, a simple Holley 650 Double pumper > (factory carb on Euro cars) or Holley 650 vacuum secondary would work > great. > Be sure not to get the cheap ones with side pivot floats. You want the > 4150 versions with center pivot floats. > Here is a vacuum secondary 4150. > > [1][1]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-80783c > > Double pumper with manual (which is to say, no) choke: > > [2][2]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-4777c > > Double pumper with electric choke: > > [3][3]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-4777ce > > Any of these will likely make you very happy. > > Mike > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 17, 2019, at 14:28, Trip Owen <[4]lance730 at msn.com> wrote: > > As you may know Larry Stocks custom carbs are on back order - can > > someone suggest another "bolt on" carb for stock > > 351C with mild cam, or is it worth waiting? > > Trip > > Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 > > References > > 1. [5][4]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > > DeTomaso mailing list > > [6]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > > [7][5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of > the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an > archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > References > > 1. [6]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-80783c > 2. [7]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-4777c > 3. [8]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-4777ce > 4. mailto:lance730 at msn.com > 5. [9]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 > 6. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > 7. [10]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [11]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. References 1. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-80783c 2. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-4777c 3. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-4777ce 4. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 5. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 6. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-80783c 7. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-4777c 8. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-0-4777ce 9. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 10. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 11. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From spkorb at gmail.com Fri Jan 18 15:39:02 2019 From: spkorb at gmail.com (Sean Korb) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 15:39:02 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] CARB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm still using an off the shelf vacuum secondary 4150 with an electric choke on my bone stock 1971 351C. It's oversize but not too bad. I run .68 jets, the shelf ones are .72 and my plugs were a little sooty and bumping it down a notch helped a little. It's hard to read plugs these days. I used the same one earlier on my 351C with a mild Lunati cam in my Mustang until it blew up and I got a big block :) Starts every time, runs great and good transitions. sean On 1/17/19, Trip Owen wrote: > As you may know Larry Stocks custom carbs are on back order - can > someone suggest another "bolt on" carb for stock > > 351C with mild cam, or is it worth waiting? > > Trip > > > Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 > > References > > 1. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 > -- Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org '65 Suprang,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso From fresnofinches at aol.com Sat Jan 19 01:00:37 2019 From: fresnofinches at aol.com (Larry Finch) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 22:00:37 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] 2511 gets color! Message-ID: Home soon? Fingers crossed. :-) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image1.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 385696 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image2.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 586762 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. From dtpantera at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 01:22:44 2019 From: dtpantera at gmail.com (Don Thomas) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 22:22:44 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] CARB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I went with a 82750 Holley... and had the Carb Shop ( http://www.customcarbs.com ) add annular boosters. It is a fantastic crisp carburetor. They might be able to help you. Best regards, -dt Don Thomas On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 12:39 PM Sean Korb wrote: > I'm still using an off the shelf vacuum secondary 4150 with an > electric choke on my bone stock 1971 351C. It's oversize but not too > bad. I run .68 jets, the shelf ones are .72 and my plugs were a > little sooty and bumping it down a notch helped a little. It's hard > to read plugs these days. I used the same one earlier on my 351C with > a mild Lunati cam in my Mustang until it blew up and I got a big block > :) > > Starts every time, runs great and good transitions. > > sean > > On 1/17/19, Trip Owen wrote: > > As you may know Larry Stocks custom carbs are on back order - can > > someone suggest another "bolt on" carb for stock > > > > 351C with mild cam, or is it worth waiting? > > > > Trip > > > > > > Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 > > > > References > > > > 1. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 > > > > > -- > Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org > '65 Suprang,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 > "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller > "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. > -------------- next part -------------- I went with a 82750 Holley... and had the Carb Shop ( [1]http://www.customcarbs.com ) add annular boosters.A It is a fantastic crisp carburetor. They might be able to help you.A Best regards, -dt Don Thomas On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 12:39 PM Sean Korb <[2]spkorb at gmail.com> wrote: I'm still using an off the shelf vacuum secondary 4150 with an electric choke on my bone stock 1971 351C.A It's oversize but not too bad.A I run .68 jets, the shelf ones are .72 and my plugs were a little sooty and bumping it down a notch helped a little.A It's hard to read plugs these days.A I used the same one earlier on my 351C with a mild Lunati cam in my Mustang until it blew up and I got a big block :) Starts every time, runs great and good transitions. sean On 1/17/19, Trip Owen <[3]lance730 at msn.com> wrote: >A A As you may know Larry Stocks custom carbs are on back order - can >A A someone suggest another "bolt on" carbA for stock > >A A 351C with mild cam, or is it worth waiting? > >A A Trip > > >A A Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 > > References > >A A 1. [4]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 > -- Sean Korb [5]spkorb at spkorb.org [6]http://www.spkorb.org '65 Suprang,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller "Computers are useless.A They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [7]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [8]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. http://www.customcarbs.com/ 2. mailto:spkorb at gmail.com 3. mailto:lance730 at msn.com 4. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 5. mailto:spkorb at spkorb.org 6. http://www.spkorb.org/ 7. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 8. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From MikeLDrew at aol.com Sat Jan 19 01:31:23 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 22:31:23 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday, January 19, 2019 References: <20190119060240.41841.79467@backend.hammerpricelive.com> Message-ID: <78CB4FEA-B989-493C-AA22-BE297E12E6C0@aol.com> All, It seems all the De Tomaso cars that were up for sale in Arizona today sold. Prices aren?t outrageous either. Mike Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: > From: info at hammerpricelive.com > Date: January 18, 2019 at 22:02:40 PST > To: MikeLDrew at aol.com > Subject: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday, January 19, 2019 > > > > > Portfolio Report Saturday, January 19, 2019 > Mangusta > 1. > 1969 DeTomaso SOLD $250,000 USD > Mangusta EST. PRICE $250K-$300K USD > EXTERIOR Black > GOODING & CO. > INTERIOR Black > Lot 48 Scottsdale > ODOMETER 47000 mi > CHASSIS N? 8MA854 > January 18, 2019 4:11PM (EST) > Pantera > 1. > 1972 DeTomaso SOLD $62,000 USD > Pantera EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD > EXTERIOR Red > RUSSO AND STEELE > INTERIOR Black > Lot 523 Scottsdale > ODOMETER 36000 mi > CHASSIS N? Not our fault?ask Drew! > January 18, 2019 8:39PM (EST) > De Tomaso > 1. > 1969 DeTomaso SOLD $250,000 USD > Mangusta EST. PRICE $250K-$300K USD > EXTERIOR Black > GOODING & CO. > INTERIOR Black > Lot 48 Scottsdale > ODOMETER 47000 mi > CHASSIS N? 8MA854 > January 18, 2019 4:11PM (EST) > 2. > 1972 DeTomaso SOLD $62,000 USD > Pantera EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD > EXTERIOR Red > RUSSO AND STEELE > INTERIOR Black > Lot 523 Scottsdale > ODOMETER 36000 mi > CHASSIS N? Not our fault?ask Drew! > January 18, 2019 8:39PM (EST) > 3. > 1973 DeTomaso SOLD $95,000 USD > Pantera GTS EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD > EXTERIOR Red > BARRETT-JACKSON > INTERIOR Black > Lot 1093 Scottsdale > CHASSIS N? THPNNB05578 > January 18, 2019 9:32PM (EST) > 4. > 1974 DeTomaso SOLD $55,000 USD > Pantera 'L' EST. PRICE $80K-$100K USD > EXTERIOR Yellow > RM SOTHEBY'S > INTERIOR Black > Lot 279 Scottsdale > ODOMETER 24130 mi > CHASSIS N? THPNND06705 > January 18, 2019 11:40PM (EST) > Too much mail? Adjust your Hammer Price notification preferences in the app using Settings. > ? 2018 Live Auction Results, LLC -------------- next part -------------- All, It seems all the De Tomaso cars that were up for sale in Arizona today sold. Prices aren't outrageous either. Mike Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: From: [1]info at hammerpricelive.com Date: January 18, 2019 at 22:02:40 PST To: [2]MikeLDrew at aol.com Subject: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday, January 19, 2019 hp-logo.png Hammer Price : Auction Results In Real Time Portfolio Report Saturday, January 19, 2019 Mangusta 1. 1969 DeTomaso Sold $250,000 USD Mangusta EST. PRICE $250K-$300K USD EXTERIOR Black Gooding & Co. INTERIOR Black Lot 48 Scottsdale ODOMETER 47000 mi CHASSIS N-o 8MA854 January 18, 2019 4:11PM (EST) Pantera 1. 1972 DeTomaso Sold $62,000 USD Pantera EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD EXTERIOR Red Russo and Steele INTERIOR Black Lot 523 Scottsdale ODOMETER 36000 mi CHASSIS N-o Not our fault--ask Drew! January 18, 2019 8:39PM (EST) De Tomaso 1. 1969 DeTomaso Sold $250,000 USD Mangusta EST. PRICE $250K-$300K USD EXTERIOR Black Gooding & Co. INTERIOR Black Lot 48 Scottsdale ODOMETER 47000 mi CHASSIS N-o 8MA854 January 18, 2019 4:11PM (EST) 2. 1972 DeTomaso Sold $62,000 USD Pantera EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD EXTERIOR Red Russo and Steele INTERIOR Black Lot 523 Scottsdale ODOMETER 36000 mi CHASSIS N-o Not our fault--ask Drew! January 18, 2019 8:39PM (EST) 3. 1973 DeTomaso Sold $95,000 USD Pantera GTS EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD EXTERIOR Red Barrett-Jackson INTERIOR Black Lot 1093 Scottsdale CHASSIS N-o THPNNB05578 January 18, 2019 9:32PM (EST) 4. 1974 DeTomaso Sold $55,000 USD Pantera 'L' EST. PRICE $80K-$100K USD EXTERIOR Yellow RM Sotheby's INTERIOR Black Lot 279 Scottsdale ODOMETER 24130 mi CHASSIS N-o THPNND06705 January 18, 2019 11:40PM (EST) Too much mail? Adjust your Hammer Price notification preferences in the app using Settings. (c) 2018 Live Auction Results, LLC References 1. mailto:info at hammerpricelive.com 2. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: hp-logo.png Type: image/png Size: 10551 bytes Desc: not available URL: From detomasoregistry at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 13:56:44 2019 From: detomasoregistry at gmail.com (The DeTomaso Registry Guy) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2019 10:56:44 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday, January 19, 2019 In-Reply-To: <78CB4FEA-B989-493C-AA22-BE297E12E6C0@aol.com> References: <20190119060240.41841.79467@backend.hammerpricelive.com> <78CB4FEA-B989-493C-AA22-BE297E12E6C0@aol.com> Message-ID: <78545F42FAE741D28CB95044EEFEC217@BOSS3A> Mike, What is the "Not Our Fault Ask Drew!" comment on some of the VINs ??? Chuck All, It seems all the De Tomaso cars that were up for sale in Arizona today sold. Prices aren?t outrageous either. Mike Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: > From: info at hammerpricelive.com > Date: January 18, 2019 at 22:02:40 PST > To: MikeLDrew at aol.com > Subject: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday, January 19, 2019 > > > > > Portfolio Report Saturday, January 19, 2019 > Mangusta > 1. > 1969 DeTomaso SOLD $250,000 USD > Mangusta EST. PRICE $250K-$300K USD > EXTERIOR Black > GOODING & CO. > INTERIOR Black > Lot 48 Scottsdale > ODOMETER 47000 mi > CHASSIS N? 8MA854 > January 18, 2019 4:11PM (EST) > Pantera > 1. > 1972 DeTomaso SOLD $62,000 USD > Pantera EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD > EXTERIOR Red > RUSSO AND STEELE > INTERIOR Black > Lot 523 Scottsdale > ODOMETER 36000 mi > CHASSIS N? Not our fault?ask Drew! > January 18, 2019 8:39PM (EST) > De Tomaso > 1. > 1969 DeTomaso SOLD $250,000 USD > Mangusta EST. PRICE $250K-$300K USD > EXTERIOR Black > GOODING & CO. > INTERIOR Black > Lot 48 Scottsdale > ODOMETER 47000 mi > CHASSIS N? 8MA854 > January 18, 2019 4:11PM (EST) > 2. > 1972 DeTomaso SOLD $62,000 USD > Pantera EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD > EXTERIOR Red > RUSSO AND STEELE > INTERIOR Black > Lot 523 Scottsdale > ODOMETER 36000 mi > CHASSIS N? Not our fault?ask Drew! > January 18, 2019 8:39PM (EST) > 3. > 1973 DeTomaso SOLD $95,000 USD > Pantera GTS EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD > EXTERIOR Red > BARRETT-JACKSON > INTERIOR Black > Lot 1093 Scottsdale > CHASSIS N? THPNNB05578 > January 18, 2019 9:32PM (EST) > 4. > 1974 DeTomaso SOLD $55,000 USD > Pantera 'L' EST. PRICE $80K-$100K USD > EXTERIOR Yellow > RM SOTHEBY'S > INTERIOR Black > Lot 279 Scottsdale > ODOMETER 24130 mi > CHASSIS N? THPNND06705 > January 18, 2019 11:40PM (EST) > Too much mail? Adjust your Hammer Price notification preferences in the app using Settings. > ? 2018 Live Auction Results, LLC From MikeLDrew at aol.com Sat Jan 19 14:03:29 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2019 11:03:29 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday, January 19, 2019 In-Reply-To: <78545F42FAE741D28CB95044EEFEC217@BOSS3A> References: <20190119060240.41841.79467@backend.hammerpricelive.com> <78CB4FEA-B989-493C-AA22-BE297E12E6C0@aol.com> <78545F42FAE741D28CB95044EEFEC217@BOSS3A> Message-ID: <9625E1DD-A0E2-43FD-9372-BF7BDA468D83@aol.com> The auction manager?s first name is Drew. Not everything is my fault. :) :) :) Mike Sent from my iPad > On Jan 19, 2019, at 10:56, The DeTomaso Registry Guy wrote: > > Mike, > > What is the "Not Our Fault Ask Drew!" comment on some of the VINs ??? > > Chuck > > > All, > > It seems all the De Tomaso cars that were up for sale in Arizona today sold. Prices aren?t outrageous either. > > Mike > > Sent from my iPad > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: info at hammerpricelive.com >> Date: January 18, 2019 at 22:02:40 PST >> To: MikeLDrew at aol.com >> Subject: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday, January 19, 2019 >> >> >> >> >> Portfolio Report Saturday, January 19, 2019 >> Mangusta >> 1. >> 1969 DeTomaso SOLD $250,000 USD >> Mangusta EST. PRICE $250K-$300K USD >> EXTERIOR Black >> GOODING & CO. >> INTERIOR Black >> Lot 48 Scottsdale >> ODOMETER 47000 mi >> CHASSIS N? 8MA854 >> January 18, 2019 4:11PM (EST) >> Pantera >> 1. >> 1972 DeTomaso SOLD $62,000 USD >> Pantera EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD >> EXTERIOR Red >> RUSSO AND STEELE >> INTERIOR Black >> Lot 523 Scottsdale >> ODOMETER 36000 mi >> CHASSIS N? Not our fault?ask Drew! >> January 18, 2019 8:39PM (EST) >> De Tomaso >> 1. >> 1969 DeTomaso SOLD $250,000 USD >> Mangusta EST. PRICE $250K-$300K USD >> EXTERIOR Black >> GOODING & CO. >> INTERIOR Black >> Lot 48 Scottsdale >> ODOMETER 47000 mi >> CHASSIS N? 8MA854 >> January 18, 2019 4:11PM (EST) >> 2. >> 1972 DeTomaso SOLD $62,000 USD >> Pantera EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD >> EXTERIOR Red >> RUSSO AND STEELE >> INTERIOR Black >> Lot 523 Scottsdale >> ODOMETER 36000 mi >> CHASSIS N? Not our fault?ask Drew! >> January 18, 2019 8:39PM (EST) >> 3. >> 1973 DeTomaso SOLD $95,000 USD >> Pantera GTS EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD >> EXTERIOR Red >> BARRETT-JACKSON >> INTERIOR Black >> Lot 1093 Scottsdale >> CHASSIS N? THPNNB05578 >> January 18, 2019 9:32PM (EST) >> 4. >> 1974 DeTomaso SOLD $55,000 USD >> Pantera 'L' EST. PRICE $80K-$100K USD >> EXTERIOR Yellow >> RM SOTHEBY'S >> INTERIOR Black >> Lot 279 Scottsdale >> ODOMETER 24130 mi >> CHASSIS N? THPNND06705 >> January 18, 2019 11:40PM (EST) >> Too much mail? Adjust your Hammer Price notification preferences in the app using Settings. >> ? 2018 Live Auction Results, LLC > From detomasoregistry at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 15:35:40 2019 From: detomasoregistry at gmail.com (The DeTomaso Registry Guy) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2019 12:35:40 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday, January 19, 2019 In-Reply-To: <9625E1DD-A0E2-43FD-9372-BF7BDA468D83@aol.com> References: <20190119060240.41841.79467@backend.hammerpricelive.com> <78CB4FEA-B989-493C-AA22-BE297E12E6C0@aol.com> <78545F42FAE741D28CB95044EEFEC217@BOSS3A> <9625E1DD-A0E2-43FD-9372-BF7BDA468D83@aol.com> Message-ID: <0DB5C33043EA4A3EBD5613FF4B3987B3@BOSS3A> Hilarious! I've identified the unidentified anyway... Chuck The auction manager?s first name is Drew. Not everything is my fault. :) :) :) Mike Sent from my iPad > On Jan 19, 2019, at 10:56, The DeTomaso Registry Guy wrote: > > Mike, > > What is the "Not Our Fault Ask Drew!" comment on some of the VINs ??? > > Chuck > > > All, > > It seems all the De Tomaso cars that were up for sale in Arizona today sold. Prices aren?t outrageous either. > > Mike > > Sent from my iPad > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: info at hammerpricelive.com >> Date: January 18, 2019 at 22:02:40 PST >> To: MikeLDrew at aol.com >> Subject: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday, January 19, 2019 >> >> >> >> >> Portfolio Report Saturday, January 19, 2019 >> Mangusta >> 1. >> 1969 DeTomaso SOLD $250,000 USD >> Mangusta EST. PRICE $250K-$300K USD >> EXTERIOR Black >> GOODING & CO. >> INTERIOR Black >> Lot 48 Scottsdale >> ODOMETER 47000 mi >> CHASSIS N? 8MA854 >> January 18, 2019 4:11PM (EST) >> Pantera >> 1. >> 1972 DeTomaso SOLD $62,000 USD >> Pantera EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD >> EXTERIOR Red >> RUSSO AND STEELE >> INTERIOR Black >> Lot 523 Scottsdale >> ODOMETER 36000 mi >> CHASSIS N? Not our fault?ask Drew! >> January 18, 2019 8:39PM (EST) >> De Tomaso >> 1. >> 1969 DeTomaso SOLD $250,000 USD >> Mangusta EST. PRICE $250K-$300K USD >> EXTERIOR Black >> GOODING & CO. >> INTERIOR Black >> Lot 48 Scottsdale >> ODOMETER 47000 mi >> CHASSIS N? 8MA854 >> January 18, 2019 4:11PM (EST) >> 2. >> 1972 DeTomaso SOLD $62,000 USD >> Pantera EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD >> EXTERIOR Red >> RUSSO AND STEELE >> INTERIOR Black >> Lot 523 Scottsdale >> ODOMETER 36000 mi >> CHASSIS N? Not our fault?ask Drew! >> January 18, 2019 8:39PM (EST) >> 3. >> 1973 DeTomaso SOLD $95,000 USD >> Pantera GTS EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD >> EXTERIOR Red >> BARRETT-JACKSON >> INTERIOR Black >> Lot 1093 Scottsdale >> CHASSIS N? THPNNB05578 >> January 18, 2019 9:32PM (EST) >> 4. >> 1974 DeTomaso SOLD $55,000 USD >> Pantera 'L' EST. PRICE $80K-$100K USD >> EXTERIOR Yellow >> RM SOTHEBY'S >> INTERIOR Black >> Lot 279 Scottsdale >> ODOMETER 24130 mi >> CHASSIS N? THPNND06705 >> January 18, 2019 11:40PM (EST) >> Too much mail? Adjust your Hammer Price notification preferences in the app using Settings. >> ? 2018 Live Auction Results, LLC > From detomasoregistry at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 15:37:37 2019 From: detomasoregistry at gmail.com (The DeTomaso Registry Guy) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2019 12:37:37 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] 8MA854 at auction In-Reply-To: <78CB4FEA-B989-493C-AA22-BE297E12E6C0@aol.com> References: <20190119060240.41841.79467@backend.hammerpricelive.com> <78CB4FEA-B989-493C-AA22-BE297E12E6C0@aol.com> Message-ID: All, It seems all the De Tomaso cars that were up for sale in Arizona today sold. Prices aren?t outrageous either. Mike > 1969 DeTomaso SOLD $250,000 USD > Mangusta EST. PRICE $250K-$300K USD > ODOMETER 47000 mi > CHASSIS N? 8MA854 >>>>Not a bad price considering there was photo history in the registry. It was updated in March of last year, with the first imagery only recently this past December. If anyone took photos please share them with the registry. Chuck From detomasoregistry at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 15:58:45 2019 From: detomasoregistry at gmail.com (The DeTomaso Registry Guy) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2019 12:58:45 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] 6705 at AZ aucion In-Reply-To: <78CB4FEA-B989-493C-AA22-BE297E12E6C0@aol.com> References: <20190119060240.41841.79467@backend.hammerpricelive.com> <78CB4FEA-B989-493C-AA22-BE297E12E6C0@aol.com> Message-ID: <1DA9135F0FCA4FC78E6A9EF9DAC13CB1@BOSS3A> > 4. > 1974 DeTomaso SOLD $55,000 USD > Pantera 'L' EST. PRICE $80K-$100K USD > EXTERIOR Yellow > RM SOTHEBY'S > INTERIOR Black > Lot 279 Scottsdale > ODOMETER 24130 mi > CHASSIS N? THPNND06705 > January 18, 2019 11:40PM (EST) 6705 History starts with the first owner, New in 1975-1978. (Actually bought for a 21 year-old nephew, who paid off the loan in 1978) The nephew held the car for some 40+ years, to 2015. It made its way to Jersey, (the island) in 2016. Then coming up for auction in Arizona this week. Noteworthy is getting a new Pantera at age 21, and then keeping it for 40 years. That is a story in itself! Kind of like Mike Drew, with his first car being his Pantera. Chuck From detomasoregistry at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 16:25:15 2019 From: detomasoregistry at gmail.com (The DeTomaso Registry Guy) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2019 13:25:15 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] GT5-S 9547 auction hammer at $319,000 In-Reply-To: <78CB4FEA-B989-493C-AA22-BE297E12E6C0@aol.com> References: <20190119060240.41841.79467@backend.hammerpricelive.com> <78CB4FEA-B989-493C-AA22-BE297E12E6C0@aol.com> Message-ID: <8323F01A914C487BAD574E00BFCEC76E@BOSS3A> Pantera GT5-S, #9547, sold for $319,000. (Gooding & Co.) Fresh pics in the registry, history back to when it was yellow. Sold new in 1989 into Germany, then back to Italy in 2010. Registry details indicate the mileage while in Italy was 26,000 Km. yet the speedo photo only shows 367 Km. (dated 2017) I suspect when the car was restored the speedo was replaced. I believe this car was discussed at some length last year, when it was offered for sale out of the UK. I don't remember all the details. This represents a higher price for a Pantera GT5-S than for this recent Mangusta sale. Chuck From MikeLDrew at aol.com Sat Jan 19 16:34:22 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2019 13:34:22 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] GT5-S 9547 auction hammer at $319,000 In-Reply-To: <8323F01A914C487BAD574E00BFCEC76E@BOSS3A> References: <20190119060240.41841.79467@backend.hammerpricelive.com> <78CB4FEA-B989-493C-AA22-BE297E12E6C0@aol.com> <8323F01A914C487BAD574E00BFCEC76E@BOSS3A> Message-ID: Chuck, If it?s the one I?m thinking of, it was reported wrecked pretty badly in England, a detail that somehow didn?t find its way into the auction catalog. Amazing that a perfect Amerisport is a no-sale at 180k a couple of weeks ago and this car with questionable history sells for $319k. People are stupid. Mike Sent from my iPad > On Jan 19, 2019, at 13:25, The DeTomaso Registry Guy wrote: > > > > Pantera GT5-S, #9547, sold for $319,000. (Gooding & Co.) > > Fresh pics in the registry, history back to when it was yellow. > > Sold new in 1989 into Germany, then back to Italy in 2010. > > Registry details indicate the mileage while in Italy was 26,000 Km. > yet the speedo photo only shows 367 Km. (dated 2017) > I suspect when the car was restored the speedo was replaced. > > I believe this car was discussed at some length last year, > when it was offered for sale out of the UK. I don't remember all the details. > > This represents a higher price for a Pantera GT5-S than for this recent Mangusta sale. > > Chuck > From MikeLDrew at aol.com Sat Jan 19 16:36:11 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2019 13:36:11 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] 6705 at AZ aucion In-Reply-To: <1DA9135F0FCA4FC78E6A9EF9DAC13CB1@BOSS3A> References: <20190119060240.41841.79467@backend.hammerpricelive.com> <78CB4FEA-B989-493C-AA22-BE297E12E6C0@aol.com> <1DA9135F0FCA4FC78E6A9EF9DAC13CB1@BOSS3A> Message-ID: <7858D11B-5946-4A52-B189-CA43021EA15F@aol.com> Chuck, The difference is that I started with a rusty car and excised all of it, while that kid started with a solid car and then let it rust! I think Richard Greenblum is the best example of a kid owner taking care of his toy for a lifetime! Mike Sent from my iPad > On Jan 19, 2019, at 12:58, The DeTomaso Registry Guy wrote: > > >> 4. >> 1974 DeTomaso SOLD $55,000 USD >> Pantera 'L' EST. PRICE $80K-$100K USD >> EXTERIOR Yellow >> RM SOTHEBY'S >> INTERIOR Black >> Lot 279 Scottsdale >> ODOMETER 24130 mi >> CHASSIS N? THPNND06705 >> January 18, 2019 11:40PM (EST) > > 6705 History starts with the first owner, New in 1975-1978. > (Actually bought for a 21 year-old nephew, who paid off the loan in 1978) > The nephew held the car for some 40+ years, to 2015. > It made its way to Jersey, (the island) in 2016. > Then coming up for auction in Arizona this week. > > Noteworthy is getting a new Pantera at age 21, and then keeping it for 40 years. > > That is a story in itself! > > Kind of like Mike Drew, with his first car being his Pantera. > > Chuck > > > From richard at richardgreenblum.com Sat Jan 19 17:32:41 2019 From: richard at richardgreenblum.com (Richard Greenblum) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2019 16:32:41 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] 6705 at AZ aucion In-Reply-To: <7858D11B-5946-4A52-B189-CA43021EA15F@aol.com> References: <20190119060240.41841.79467@backend.hammerpricelive.com> <78CB4FEA-B989-493C-AA22-BE297E12E6C0@aol.com> <1DA9135F0FCA4FC78E6A9EF9DAC13CB1@BOSS3A> <7858D11B-5946-4A52-B189-CA43021EA15F@aol.com> Message-ID: Thanks Mike. I was 20 and in college when I got it...in my 60?s now. Just put Avons on the rear?what a difference from the old Euro T/A?s. At the strong suggestion of Mr. Kraus of Kraus Racing (tire dealer), I put 3M film up the rocker panel behind the tires. They are very familiar with Panteras. Richard Austin, TX #7080 Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 19, 2019, at 15:36, Mike Drew via DeTomaso wrote: > > Chuck, > > The difference is that I started with a rusty car and excised all of it, while that kid started with a solid car and then let it rust! > > I think Richard Greenblum is the best example of a kid owner taking care of his toy for a lifetime! > > Mike > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Jan 19, 2019, at 12:58, The DeTomaso Registry Guy wrote: >> >> >>> 4. >>> 1974 DeTomaso SOLD $55,000 USD >>> Pantera 'L' EST. PRICE $80K-$100K USD >>> EXTERIOR Yellow >>> RM SOTHEBY'S >>> INTERIOR Black >>> Lot 279 Scottsdale >>> ODOMETER 24130 mi >>> CHASSIS N? THPNND06705 >>> January 18, 2019 11:40PM (EST) >> >> 6705 History starts with the first owner, New in 1975-1978. >> (Actually bought for a 21 year-old nephew, who paid off the loan in 1978) >> The nephew held the car for some 40+ years, to 2015. >> It made its way to Jersey, (the island) in 2016. >> Then coming up for auction in Arizona this week. >> >> Noteworthy is getting a new Pantera at age 21, and then keeping it for 40 years. >> >> That is a story in itself! >> >> Kind of like Mike Drew, with his first car being his Pantera. >> >> Chuck >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From will.kooiman at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 00:05:30 2019 From: will.kooiman at gmail.com (Will Kooiman) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 00:05:30 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Buying a car out of state - help! In-Reply-To: References: <917020614.1225378.1547742153636.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <917020614.1225378.1547742153636@mail.yahoo.com> <27B34513-E910-4D9B-B197-32F681231F9D@jpl.nasa.gov> <1717327905.1230160.1547745079953@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have bought 7 cars on ebay - 2 Vipers, 97 Mustang Cobra, 427 Cobra replica, 2 Boxsters, and my Pantera. In every case, the car was as described, but I didn?t give them a cashier?s check until I inspected the car myself. In most cases, I drove the car home. The Pantera was delivered. I trailered the 427 Cobra. The others were driven. It?s a good time to get to know the car. On 1/17/19, 12:20 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C) via DeTomaso" wrote: > Oh. The mechanic I hired charged me $90. > > > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, > > stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" > > > Terry W. Himes > > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > > Dawn Spacecraft Team > > Juno Systems & Software Team > > TGO Sequence Lead > > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > > [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > > 🇺🇸 > > > > From: Brent Stewart > Date: Thursday, January 17, 2019 at 9:11 AM > To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" > , Terry Himes > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Buying a car out of state - help! > > > Guys, I REALLY appreciate all the help!! And so quickly! > > . > > The advice provided is excellent, I will follow closely... > > . > > Thanks again!!! > > . > > brent > > > On Thursday, January 17, 2019, 9:02:37 AM PST, Himes, Terry (397C) > wrote: > > > > Brent, > I've bought both my 2005 Nissan Xterra and 2007 Jeep Wangler on eBay. > I got a great price and a great car both times. > Xterra was in Houston, TX and the Jeep was in Phoenix, AZ. > Here's what I did; > 1. NEVER bid or buy until someone has inspected and test-driven the > car. eBay offers mechanic's in the area for > you to contract with. They will give you several, and I strongly > suggest you call several. Be prepared to ask them > questions that prove they are legitimate mechanics. The questions > may seem stupid to us, but if they hesitate, > fumble for an answer, or just fake it... hang up immediately. Ask > several qustions. > 2. Make sure they can do a thorough inspection of the car AND take it > for a test drive. > 3. Make sure they produce a detailed report. The Houston guy I worked > with sent me a 5-6 page of detailed report. > 4. Car carrier? I contacted a Car Carrier and told them I had a > vehicle to pick up in Houston. I wanted to reduce costs > and was in no hurry, so I asked them to notify me when a carrier > was passing thru Houston with space available. > They called about 2 weeks later. The Xterra was picked up and the > driver called me when he was within a day of > drop off. The driver was very nice and dropped the car off the day > he said he would. $400. > 5. eBay protects you. They have a reputation to protect so they are > very sensitive to any bad deals. I do most all my > business on eBay and have never had a problem that wasn't solved > satisfactorily. > If I think of anything more, I will let you know. > Terry > I asked an alleged mechanic in Houston "What function > does the coil perform in an automobile?" He was dead silent for > about 1 1/2 minutes, then I said > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, > stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Dawn Spacecraft Team > Juno Systems & Software Team > TGO Sequence Lead > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > [2]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 🇺🇸 > > On 1/17/19, 8:22 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Brent Stewart via DeTomaso" > <[3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of > [4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > .All,Quick question for those that have purchased a car on ebay or > BaT, etc - what is the best way to ensure you don't get taken? Hate to > wire a bunch of money, then I have no money, no pink slip, no car..Do > you have to just blindly trust the seller? Or is there a better > process? Really could use some help with this one....Thanks for your > advice!.brent. > >References > > 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 2. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 3. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com > 4. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com >_______________________________________________ > > >Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > >To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use >the links above. > >Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >approve the archiving of list messages. From cengles at cox.net Mon Jan 21 09:48:20 2019 From: cengles at cox.net (Charles Engles) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 08:48:20 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Buying a car out of state - help! In-Reply-To: References: <917020614.1225378.1547742153636.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <917020614.1225378.1547742153636@mail.yahoo.com> <27B34513-E910-4D9B-B197-32F681231F9D@jpl.nasa.gov> <1717327905.1230160.1547745079953@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000101d4b198$5b1c1760$11544620$@cox.net> Dear Will, I admire your philosophy: "The others were driven. It's a good time to get to know the car." Which cars remain in your scuderia? Warmest regards, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Will Kooiman Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 11:06 PM To: Himes, Terry (397C); Brent Stewart; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Buying a car out of state - help! I have bought 7 cars on ebay - 2 Vipers, 97 Mustang Cobra, 427 Cobra replica, 2 Boxsters, and my Pantera. In every case, the car was as described, but I didn?t give them a cashier?s check until I inspected the car myself. In most cases, I drove the car home. The Pantera was delivered. I trailered the 427 Cobra. The others were driven. It?s a good time to get to know the car. On 1/17/19, 12:20 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C) via DeTomaso" wrote: > Oh. The mechanic I hired charged me $90. > > > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, > > stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" > > > Terry W. Himes > > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > > Dawn Spacecraft Team > > Juno Systems & Software Team > > TGO Sequence Lead > > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > > [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > > 🇺🇸 > > > > From: Brent Stewart > Date: Thursday, January 17, 2019 at 9:11 AM > To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" > , Terry Himes > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC: Buying a car out of state - help! > > > Guys, I REALLY appreciate all the help!! And so quickly! > > . > > The advice provided is excellent, I will follow closely... > > . > > Thanks again!!! > > . > > brent > > > On Thursday, January 17, 2019, 9:02:37 AM PST, Himes, Terry (397C) > wrote: > > > > Brent, > I've bought both my 2005 Nissan Xterra and 2007 Jeep Wangler on eBay. > I got a great price and a great car both times. > Xterra was in Houston, TX and the Jeep was in Phoenix, AZ. > Here's what I did; > 1. NEVER bid or buy until someone has inspected and test-driven the > car. eBay offers mechanic's in the area for > you to contract with. They will give you several, and I strongly > suggest you call several. Be prepared to ask them > questions that prove they are legitimate mechanics. The questions > may seem stupid to us, but if they hesitate, > fumble for an answer, or just fake it... hang up immediately. Ask > several qustions. > 2. Make sure they can do a thorough inspection of the car AND take it > for a test drive. > 3. Make sure they produce a detailed report. The Houston guy I worked > with sent me a 5-6 page of detailed report. > 4. Car carrier? I contacted a Car Carrier and told them I had a > vehicle to pick up in Houston. I wanted to reduce costs > and was in no hurry, so I asked them to notify me when a carrier > was passing thru Houston with space available. > They called about 2 weeks later. The Xterra was picked up and the > driver called me when he was within a day of > drop off. The driver was very nice and dropped the car off the day > he said he would. $400. > 5. eBay protects you. They have a reputation to protect so they are > very sensitive to any bad deals. I do most all my > business on eBay and have never had a problem that wasn't solved > satisfactorily. > If I think of anything more, I will let you know. > Terry > I asked an alleged mechanic in Houston "What function > does the coil perform in an automobile?" He was dead silent for > about 1 1/2 minutes, then I said > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, > stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Dawn Spacecraft Team > Juno Systems & Software Team > TGO Sequence Lead > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > [2]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 🇺🇸 > > On 1/17/19, 8:22 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Brent Stewart via DeTomaso" > <[3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of > [4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > .All,Quick question for those that have purchased a car on ebay or > BaT, etc - what is the best way to ensure you don't get taken? Hate to > wire a bunch of money, then I have no money, no pink slip, no car..Do > you have to just blindly trust the seller? Or is there a better > process? Really could use some help with this one....Thanks for your > advice!.brent. > >References > > 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 2. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > 3. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com > 4. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com >_______________________________________________ > > >Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > >To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use >the links above. > >Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From MikeLDrew at aol.com Tue Jan 22 02:05:41 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 23:05:41 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Hall headers needed Message-ID: Hi guys, A friend who isn't here needs a set of Hall headers. If you have a set available please lee know. Thanks! Mike Sent from my iPhone From larrys at panteraparts.com Tue Jan 22 10:27:36 2019 From: larrys at panteraparts.com (Larry Stock) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 07:27:36 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Hall headers needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike, I have several take off sets for $150 Larry On 1/21/19, 11:05 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso" wrote: >Hi guys, > >A friend who isn't here needs a set of Hall headers. If you have a set >available please lee know. Thanks! > >Mike > >Sent from my iPhone >_______________________________________________ > > >Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > >To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use >the links above. > >Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >approve the archiving of list messages. From peterhavlik at me.com Tue Jan 22 14:00:25 2019 From: peterhavlik at me.com (Peter Havlik) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 11:00:25 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Looking for Joe Abe Message-ID: <0111FFC2-1409-4049-99A2-6F839B900934@me.com> I am trying to get a hold of Joe Abe from California to get the VIN of his late model narrow body. I would really like to add the car to the 9000 series registry because the more narrow-body cars in the 9000 VIN range, the fewer the wide-bodies. This will help us establish total production numbers, which is still a big mystery with the later cars. Thanks. - Peter Havlik #9517 From coreyjprice at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 16:24:06 2019 From: coreyjprice at gmail.com (Corey Price) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 14:24:06 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Good tap and die set? Message-ID: <53D8D518-5AF9-483A-8F13-C0E7C7522095@gmail.com> All, I'm looking for recommendations on a metric tap & die set. I'd like to get something that is going to last a long time and be good quality, but I'm not a professional machinist. Thoughts? Where it's made isn't a big deal as long as it's a good quality tool. I just got an Irwin/Hanson tap that seemed to be nice, made in the USA, yet the cutting threads have burrs and don't look pretty. I'm disappointed in the quality. I'm sure it's still a cut above the Harbor Freight stuff (no pun intended). Corey From MikeLDrew at aol.com Tue Jan 22 16:33:37 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 13:33:37 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Good tap and die set? In-Reply-To: <53D8D518-5AF9-483A-8F13-C0E7C7522095@gmail.com> References: <53D8D518-5AF9-483A-8F13-C0E7C7522095@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5AB1C3A6-EB64-407F-B504-1E5D55347B92@aol.com> Corey, I got a complete set from Craftsman and it has served me well for more than 20 years. Mike Sent from my iPad > On Jan 22, 2019, at 13:24, Corey Price wrote: > > All, > > I'm looking for recommendations on a metric tap & die set. I'd like to get something that is going to last a long time and be good quality, but I'm not a professional machinist. Thoughts? Where it's made isn't a big deal as long as it's a good quality tool. I just got an Irwin/Hanson tap that seemed to be nice, made in the USA, yet the cutting threads have burrs and don't look pretty. I'm disappointed in the quality. I'm sure it's still a cut above the Harbor Freight stuff (no pun intended). > > Corey > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From davel at trguys.com Tue Jan 22 17:07:23 2019 From: davel at trguys.com (Dave Londry) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 14:07:23 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Good tap and die set? In-Reply-To: <5AB1C3A6-EB64-407F-B504-1E5D55347B92@aol.com> References: <53D8D518-5AF9-483A-8F13-C0E7C7522095@gmail.com> <5AB1C3A6-EB64-407F-B504-1E5D55347B92@aol.com> Message-ID: <2ac197f8-40e8-1a30-b1f2-4993be9d1780@trguys.com> Yes, they are now made in some unknown place, but still seem to work fine. Also, made in Taiwan machine tools have always been 1st class for me. Dave On 2019-01-22 1:33 p.m., Mike Drew via DeTomaso wrote: > Corey, > > I got a complete set from Craftsman and it has served me well for more than 20 years. > > Mike > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Jan 22, 2019, at 13:24, Corey Price wrote: >> >> All, >> >> I'm looking for recommendations on a metric tap & die set. I'd like to get something that is going to last a long time and be good quality, but I'm not a professional machinist. Thoughts? Where it's made isn't a big deal as long as it's a good quality tool. I just got an Irwin/Hanson tap that seemed to be nice, made in the USA, yet the cutting threads have burrs and don't look pretty. I'm disappointed in the quality. I'm sure it's still a cut above the Harbor Freight stuff (no pun intended). >> >> Corey >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > -- Dave Londry TRGuys.com davel at trguys.com Cell 604-721-2278 Landline 604-589-9182 Skype embeddedspaces From lplugw at hotmail.com Wed Jan 23 07:05:03 2019 From: lplugw at hotmail.com (Larry Weston) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 12:05:03 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Good tap and die set? In-Reply-To: <2ac197f8-40e8-1a30-b1f2-4993be9d1780@trguys.com> References: <53D8D518-5AF9-483A-8F13-C0E7C7522095@gmail.com> <5AB1C3A6-EB64-407F-B504-1E5D55347B92@aol.com>, <2ac197f8-40e8-1a30-b1f2-4993be9d1780@trguys.com> Message-ID: You may be better off just buying the few metric taps and dies you'll actually use. My set has sizes I have never seen in service. ________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Dave Londry Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 5:07 PM To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Good tap and die set? Yes, they are now made in some unknown place, but still seem to work fine. Also, made in Taiwan machine tools have always been 1st class for me. Dave On 2019-01-22 1:33 p.m., Mike Drew via DeTomaso wrote: > Corey, > > I got a complete set from Craftsman and it has served me well for more than 20 years. > > Mike > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Jan 22, 2019, at 13:24, Corey Price wrote: >> >> All, >> >> I'm looking for recommendations on a metric tap & die set. I'd like to get something that is going to last a long time and be good quality, but I'm not a professional machinist. Thoughts? Where it's made isn't a big deal as long as it's a good quality tool. I just got an Irwin/Hanson tap that seemed to be nice, made in the USA, yet the cutting threads have burrs and don't look pretty. I'm disappointed in the quality. I'm sure it's still a cut above the Harbor Freight stuff (no pun intended). >> >> Corey >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > -- Dave Londry TRGuys.com davel at trguys.com Cell 604-721-2278 Landline 604-589-9182 Skype embeddedspaces _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- You may be better off just buying the few metric taps and dies you'll actually use. My set has sizes I have never seen in service. __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Dave Londry Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 5:07 PM To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Good tap and die set? Yes, they are now made in some unknown place, but still seem to work fine. Also, made in Taiwan machine tools have always been 1st class for me. Dave On 2019-01-22 1:33 p.m., Mike Drew via DeTomaso wrote: > Corey, > > I got a complete set from Craftsman and it has served me well for more than 20 years. > > Mike > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Jan 22, 2019, at 13:24, Corey Price wrote: >> >> All, >> >> I'm looking for recommendations on a metric tap & die set. I'd like to get something that is going to last a long time and be good quality, but I'm not a professional machinist. Thoughts? Where it's made isn't a big deal as long as it's a good quality tool. I just got an Irwin/Hanson tap that seemed to be nice, made in the USA, yet the cutting threads have burrs and don't look pretty. I'm disappointed in the quality. I'm sure it's still a cut above the Harbor Freight stuff (no pun intended). >> >> Corey >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >> [1]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > -- Dave Londry TRGuys.com davel at trguys.com Cell 604-721-2278 Landline 604-589-9182 Skype embeddedspaces _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From johnftaphorn at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 08:28:42 2019 From: johnftaphorn at gmail.com (John Taphorn) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 07:28:42 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] Good tap and die set? In-Reply-To: References: <53D8D518-5AF9-483A-8F13-C0E7C7522095@gmail.com> <5AB1C3A6-EB64-407F-B504-1E5D55347B92@aol.com> <2ac197f8-40e8-1a30-b1f2-4993be9d1780@trguys.com> Message-ID: Dave My experience is different. Once you have good taps and dies, you find yourself always chasing threads on your projects and never cross threading or damaging threads again. I would not only purchase the highest quality set that I could, but the largest combo metric & SAE set as well for economy. A large set is generally significant less than its constituent parts. you aren't paying twice for die and tap holders. JT On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 7:08 AM John Taphorn wrote: > My experience is different. Once you have good taps and dies, you find > yourself always chasing threads on your projects and never cross threading > or damaging threads again. I would not only purchase the highest quality > set that I could, but the largest combo metric & SAE set as well for > economy. A large set is generally significant less than its constituent > parts. you aren't paying twice for die and tap holders. > > JT > > On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 6:13 AM Larry Weston wrote: > >> You may be better off just buying the few metric taps and dies you'll >> actually use. My set has sizes I have never seen in service. >> __________________________________________________________________ >> >> From: DeTomaso on behalf of >> Dave Londry >> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 5:07 PM >> To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Good tap and die set? >> >> Yes, they are now made in some unknown place, but still seem to work >> fine. >> Also, made in Taiwan machine tools have always been 1st class for me. >> Dave >> On 2019-01-22 1:33 p.m., Mike Drew via DeTomaso wrote: >> > Corey, >> > >> > I got a complete set from Craftsman and it has served me well for >> more than 20 years. >> > >> > Mike >> > >> > Sent from my iPad >> > >> >> On Jan 22, 2019, at 13:24, Corey Price >> wrote: >> >> >> >> All, >> >> >> >> I'm looking for recommendations on a metric tap & die set. I'd like >> to get something that is going to last a long time and be good quality, >> but I'm not a professional machinist. Thoughts? Where it's made isn't a >> big deal as long as it's a good quality tool. I just got an >> Irwin/Hanson tap that seemed to be nice, made in the USA, yet the >> cutting threads have burrs and don't look pretty. I'm disappointed in >> the quality. I'm sure it's still a cut above the Harbor Freight stuff >> (no pun intended). >> >> >> >> Corey >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> >> DeTomaso mailing list >> >> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >> >> [1]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, >> etc.) use the links above. >> >> >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >> any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >> list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive >> or approve the archiving of list messages. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > >> > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> > DeTomaso mailing list >> > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >> > [2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> > >> > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >> use the links above. >> > >> > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >> any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >> list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive >> or approve the archiving of list messages. >> > >> -- >> Dave Londry >> TRGuys.com >> davel at trguys.com >> Cell 604-721-2278 >> Landline 604-589-9182 >> Skype embeddedspaces >> _______________________________________________ >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >> [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >> use the links above. >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >> list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive >> or approve the archiving of list messages. >> >> References >> >> 1. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> 2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> 3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use >> the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve >> the archiving of list messages. > > -------------- next part -------------- DaveA My experience is different.A Once you have good taps and dies, you find yourself always chasing threads on your projects and never cross threading or damaging threads again.A I would not only purchase the highest quality set that I could, but the largest combo metric & SAE set as well for economy.A A large set is generally significant less than its constituent parts. you aren't paying twice for die and tap holders.A A JT On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 7:08 AM John Taphorn <[1]johnftaphorn at gmail.com> wrote: My experience is different.A Once you have good taps and dies, you find yourself always chasing threads on your projects and never cross threading or damaging threads again.A I would not only purchase the highest quality set that I could, but the largest combo metric & SAE set as well for economy.A A large set is generally significant less than its constituent parts. you aren't paying twice for die and tap holders.A A JT On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 6:13 AM Larry Weston <[2]lplugw at hotmail.com> wrote: A A You may be better off just buying the few metric taps and dies you'll A A actually use. My set has sizes I have never seen in service. A A A __________________________________________________________________ A A From: DeTomaso <[3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of A A Dave Londry <[4]davel at trguys.com> A A Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 5:07 PM A A To: [5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Good tap and die set? A A Yes, they are now made in some unknown place, but still seem to work A A fine. A A Also, made in Taiwan machine tools have always been 1st class for me. A A Dave A A On 2019-01-22 1:33 p.m., Mike Drew via DeTomaso wrote: A A > Corey, A A > A A > I got a complete set from Craftsman and it has served me well for A A more than 20 years. A A > A A > Mike A A > A A > Sent from my iPad A A > A A >> On Jan 22, 2019, at 13:24, Corey Price <[6]coreyjprice at gmail.com> A A wrote: A A >> A A >> All, A A >> A A >> I'm looking for recommendations on a metric tap & die set. 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I would like to add a Nardi steering wheel to 5332 - and wouldn't mind being able to also add a quick-release hub. I get the idea from other forums that Wilkinson makes a great quick-release hub, but, he doesn't have photo's or information about it on his site. Can you folks give me some feedback on his or other's quick release hubs? Pictures? General guidance when replacing a steering wheel? Currently I have the 13.5 inch Lecarra wheel. Stephen From garth_rodericks at yahoo.com Wed Jan 23 12:33:30 2019 From: garth_rodericks at yahoo.com (Garth Rodericks) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 17:33:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine - Ford era Panteras exempt References: <1910200636.492934.1548264810978.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1910200636.492934.1548264810978@mail.yahoo.com> Just an update I spotted in a Hot Rod article...? It seems smog exempt vehicles are not subject to the fine. https://www.hotrod.com/articles/californias-new-exhaust-noise-bill/ Quote from the article..."In conclusion, if you own a car that requires a smog certificate in order to register it (1976 and newer) and you have an exhaust that is loud enough to give law enforcement a reason to pull you over, you?re getting fined! For now, this amendment won?t have any effect on pre-smog era cars (1975 and older). There is a silver-lining though. If you were cited for an illegal exhaust and you believe you weren?t in violation, there is a SEMA-sponsored noise-testing program with the Bureau of Automotive Repair that can dismiss the citation by issuing a certificate of compliance." SEMA-sponsored noise-testing program: https://www.semasan.com/legislative-alerts/california/california-exhaust-noise-testing-program-open-business Certificate of compliancehttps://bar.ca.gov/Consumer/Referee_Program/Vehicle_Exhaust_Noise_Level_Certification.html -------------- next part -------------- Just an update I spotted in a Hot Rod article... It seems smog exempt vehicles are not subject to the fine. [1]https://www.hotrod.com/articles/californias-new-exhaust-noise-bill/ Quote from the article... "In conclusion, if you own a car that requires a smog certificate in order to register it (1976 and newer) and you have an exhaust that is loud enough to give law enforcement a reason to pull you over, youare getting fined! For now, this amendment wonat have any effect on pre-smog era cars (1975 and older). There is a silver-lining though. If you were cited for an illegal exhaust and you believe you werenat in violation, there is a SEMA-sponsored noise-testing program with the Bureau of Automotive Repair that can dismiss the citation by issuing a certificate of compliance." SEMA-sponsored noise-testing program: [2]https://www.semasan.com/legislative-alerts/california/california-exh aust-noise-testing-program-open-business Certificate of compliance [3]https://bar.ca.gov/Consumer/Referee_Program/Vehicle_Exhaust_Noise_Le vel_Certification.html References 1. https://www.hotrod.com/articles/californias-new-exhaust-noise-bill/ 2. https://www.semasan.com/legislative-alerts/california/california-exhaust-noise-testing-program-open-business 3. https://bar.ca.gov/Consumer/Referee_Program/Vehicle_Exhaust_Noise_Level_Certification.html From davel at trguys.com Wed Jan 23 12:34:02 2019 From: davel at trguys.com (Dave Londry) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 09:34:02 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Good tap and die set? In-Reply-To: References: <53D8D518-5AF9-483A-8F13-C0E7C7522095@gmail.com> <5AB1C3A6-EB64-407F-B504-1E5D55347B92@aol.com> <2ac197f8-40e8-1a30-b1f2-4993be9d1780@trguys.com> Message-ID: I'm on-board there John. I always have 1 full set of each and a drawer of remnants. dave On 2019-01-23 5:28 a.m., John Taphorn wrote: > Dave > > My experience is different.? Once you have good taps and dies, you > find yourself always chasing threads on your projects and never cross > threading or damaging threads again. I would not only purchase the > highest quality set that I could, but the largest combo metric & SAE > set as well for economy.? A large set is generally significant less > than its constituent parts. you aren't paying twice for die and tap > holders. > > JT > > On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 7:08 AM John Taphorn > wrote: > > My experience is different.? Once you have good taps and dies, you > find yourself always chasing threads on your projects and never > cross threading or damaging threads again.? I would not only > purchase the highest quality set that I could, but the largest > combo metric & SAE set as well for economy.? A large set is > generally significant less than its constituent parts. you aren't > paying twice for die and tap holders. > > JT > > On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 6:13 AM Larry Weston > wrote: > > ? ?You may be better off just buying the few metric taps and > dies you'll > ? ?actually use. My set has sizes I have never seen in service. > ?__________________________________________________________________ > > ? ?From: DeTomaso > on behalf of > ? ?Dave Londry > > ? ?Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 5:07 PM > ? ?To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com > > ? ?Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Good tap and die set? > > ? ?Yes, they are now made in some unknown place, but still > seem to work > ? ?fine. > ? ?Also, made in Taiwan machine tools have always been 1st > class for me. > ? ?Dave > ? ?On 2019-01-22 1:33 p.m., Mike Drew via DeTomaso wrote: > ? ?> Corey, > ? ?> > ? ?> I got a complete set from Craftsman and it has served me > well for > ? ?more than 20 years. > ? ?> > ? ?> Mike > ? ?> > ? ?> Sent from my iPad > ? ?> > ? ?>> On Jan 22, 2019, at 13:24, Corey Price > > > ? ?wrote: > ? ?>> > ? ?>> All, > ? ?>> > ? ?>> I'm looking for recommendations on a metric tap & die > set. I'd like > ? ?to get something that is going to last a long time and be > good quality, > ? ?but I'm not a professional machinist. Thoughts? Where it's > made isn't a > ? ?big deal as long as it's a good quality tool. I just got an > ? ?Irwin/Hanson tap that seemed to be nice, made in the USA, > yet the > ? ?cutting threads have burrs and don't look pretty. I'm > disappointed in > ? ?the quality. 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They also grant the list owner > permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of > list messages. > -- Dave Londry TRGuys.com davel at trguys.com Cell 604-721-2278 Landline 604-589-9182 Skype embeddedspaces -------------- next part -------------- I'm on-board there John. I always have 1 full set of each and a drawer of remnants. dave On 2019-01-23 5:28 a.m., John Taphorn wrote: Dave My experience is different. Once you have good taps and dies, you find yourself always chasing threads on your projects and never cross threading or damaging threads again. I would not only purchase the highest quality set that I could, but the largest combo metric & SAE set as well for economy. A large set is generally significant less than its constituent parts. you aren't paying twice for die and tap holders. JT On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 7:08 AM John Taphorn <[1]johnftaphorn at gmail.com> wrote: My experience is different. Once you have good taps and dies, you find yourself always chasing threads on your projects and never cross threading or damaging threads again. I would not only purchase the highest quality set that I could, but the largest combo metric & SAE set as well for economy. A large set is generally significant less than its constituent parts. you aren't paying twice for die and tap holders. JT On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 6:13 AM Larry Weston <[2]lplugw at hotmail.com> wrote: You may be better off just buying the few metric taps and dies you'll actually use. My set has sizes I have never seen in service. __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <[3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Dave Londry <[4]davel at trguys.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 5:07 PM To: [5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Good tap and die set? Yes, they are now made in some unknown place, but still seem to work fine. Also, made in Taiwan machine tools have always been 1st class for me. Dave On 2019-01-22 1:33 p.m., Mike Drew via DeTomaso wrote: > Corey, > > I got a complete set from Craftsman and it has served me well for more than 20 years. > > Mike > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Jan 22, 2019, at 13:24, Corey Price <[6]coreyjprice at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> All, >> >> I'm looking for recommendations on a metric tap & die set. I'd like to get something that is going to last a long time and be good quality, but I'm not a professional machinist. Thoughts? Where it's made isn't a big deal as long as it's a good quality tool. I just got an Irwin/Hanson tap that seemed to be nice, made in the USA, yet the cutting threads have burrs and don't look pretty. I'm disappointed in the quality. 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Common Sense prevailed ? "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Juno Systems & Software Team TGO Sequence Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov ?? ?On 1/23/19, 9:33 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso" wrote: Just an update I spotted in a Hot Rod article... It seems smog exempt vehicles are not subject to the fine. https://www.hotrod.com/articles/californias-new-exhaust-noise-bill/ Quote from the article..."In conclusion, if you own a car that requires a smog certificate in order to register it (1976 and newer) and you have an exhaust that is loud enough to give law enforcement a reason to pull you over, you?re getting fined! For now, this amendment won?t have any effect on pre-smog era cars (1975 and older). There is a silver-lining though. If you were cited for an illegal exhaust and you believe you weren?t in violation, there is a SEMA-sponsored noise-testing program with the Bureau of Automotive Repair that can dismiss the citation by issuing a certificate of compliance." SEMA-sponsored noise-testing program: https://www.semasan.com/legislative-alerts/california/california-exhaust-noise-testing-program-open-business Certificate of compliancehttps://bar.ca.gov/Consumer/Referee_Program/Vehicle_Exhaust_Noise_Level_Certification.html From garth_rodericks at yahoo.com Wed Jan 23 12:51:53 2019 From: garth_rodericks at yahoo.com (Garth Rodericks) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 17:51:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Changing Steering Wheels References: <1065458986.511168.1548265913406.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1065458986.511168.1548265913406@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Steve, Why would you want to put a Nardi steering wheel in your Pantera?? A wood rimmed Nardi just looks out of place in a Pantera in my opinion.? The LeCarra wheel you have looks period correct and perfectly suited to the Pantera's interior. https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pantera-Detomaso-5332/i-ZTmSp7z/0/c5405c5e/M/5332%2005%2031%202015%2021-M.jpg Just my 2-cents.? Post a pic of the wheel you want to add. Cheers!Garth -------------- next part -------------- Hi Steve, Why would you want to put a Nardi steering wheel in your Pantera? A wood rimmed Nardi just looks out of place in a Pantera in my opinion. The LeCarra wheel you have looks period correct and perfectly suited to the Pantera's interior. [1]https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pantera-Deto maso-5332/i-ZTmSp7z/0/c5405c5e/M/5332%2005%2031%202015%2021-M.jpg Just my 2-cents. Post a pic of the wheel you want to add. Cheers! Garth References 1. https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pantera-Detomaso-5332/i-ZTmSp7z/0/c5405c5e/M/5332%2005%2031%202015%2021-M.jpg From scott at scottmeadphotography.com Wed Jan 23 12:57:18 2019 From: scott at scottmeadphotography.com (Scott Mead Photography) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 09:57:18 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Changing Steering Wheels In-Reply-To: <1065458986.511168.1548265913406@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1065458986.511168.1548265913406.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1065458986.511168.1548265913406@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3CABA58B-5AAB-4930-8276-D15B9F983580@scottmeadphotography.com> Nardi doesn?t make just wood steering wheels, they offer some really good looking leather-wrapped ones as well: http://www.nardi-personal.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=ekho:portfoliosortable&id=33&Itemid=280&lang=en Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 23, 2019, at 9:51 AM, Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso wrote: > > Hi Steve, > > Why would you want to put a Nardi steering wheel in your Pantera? A > wood rimmed Nardi just looks out of place in a Pantera in my opinion. > The LeCarra wheel you have looks period correct and perfectly suited to > the Pantera's interior. > > [1]https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pantera-Deto > maso-5332/i-ZTmSp7z/0/c5405c5e/M/5332%2005%2031%202015%2021-M.jpg > > Just my 2-cents. Post a pic of the wheel you want to add. > > Cheers! > > Garth > > References > > 1. https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pantera-Detomaso-5332/i-ZTmSp7z/0/c5405c5e/M/5332%2005%2031%202015%2021-M.jpg > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Nardi doesn't make just wood steering wheels, they offer some really good looking leather-wrapped ones as well: [1]http://www.nardi-personal.com/index.php?option=com_content&vie w=category&layout=ekho:portfoliosortable&id=33&Itemid=280&lang=en Sent from my iPhone On Jan 23, 2019, at 9:51 AM, Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: Hi Steve, Why would you want to put a Nardi steering wheel in your Pantera? A wood rimmed Nardi just looks out of place in a Pantera in my opinion. The LeCarra wheel you have looks period correct and perfectly suited to the Pantera's interior. [1][3]https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pantera -Deto maso-5332/i-ZTmSp7z/0/c5405c5e/M/5332%2005%2031%202015%2021-M.jpg Just my 2-cents. Post a pic of the wheel you want to add. Cheers! Garth References 1. [4]https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pantera-Deto maso-5332/i-ZTmSp7z/0/c5405c5e/M/5332%2005%2031%202015%2021-M.jpg _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [5]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. http://www.nardi-personal.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=ekho:portfoliosortable&id=33&Itemid=280&lang=en 2. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 3. https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pantera-Deto 4. https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pantera-Detomaso-5332/i-ZTmSp7z/0/c5405c5e/M/5332%2005%2031%202015%2021-M.jpg 5. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From steve at snclocks.com Wed Jan 23 13:34:45 2019 From: steve at snclocks.com (Steve) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 10:34:45 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Changing Steering Wheels In-Reply-To: <1065458986.511168.1548265913406@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1065458986.511168.1548265913406.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1065458986.511168.1548265913406@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00bf01d4b34a$50e4a2e0$f2ade8a0$@snclocks.com> Good morning Garth. Good question that. I?ve been thinking steering wheels ever since, about a year ago, I replaced the wheel in my ?69 XKE with one that is a little smaller in diameter and a bit heavier ? the change in that car was amazing ? from the flexible response of a tiller on a boat (OK ? one got used to it, but gads, there is a lot of flex in the originals) to a crisp response. I was concerned it wouldn?t look right ? but it is fine ? and changes the way the car drives. Significantly. For the better. Besides, a friend who I have guided for 30 years on his XKE gave it to me! So, then, gave some thought to our Daytona Coupe. It came with a Mota-Lita leather-rimmed wheel. Right ? what came on those cars originally ? either leather, or wood, with rivets. I?ve chosen to replace the damaged leather-rimmed wheel with one of the riveted wheels that match what came originally on a Cobra. Like the Cobra, what the heck is a Coupe ? a European exotic ? no, or, well, likely an American hot-rod ? or, not really. I think this wheel will look appropriate ? given the use on the Cobra?s and on a few of the Coupes. https://www.moto-lita.co.uk/steering-wheels/ac-cobra-wood-rim-oem/ Which brings me to the Pantera. So, what is a Pantera? An American hot rod ? well, perhaps. Or an Italian supercar ? well, perhaps. I agree that a wheel like the one above would look totally out of place. But, a Nardi wood-rim? They fit Ferrarrits and Lampos and Maesers and the like. But, really, the interior does not really fit that style ? though I?d argue it could. No, the wheel I am considering is this one - http://www.mrsteeringwheel.com/nardi-kallista-wood-leather-350mm-5055-35-3000/ It brings a touch of Italian flare without over powering the otherwise black interior. The challenge I have is the Lecarra looks like it would fit perfectly on a go-cart. OK, there are those that could argue that a point and squirt as potent as a Pantera could be considered a go-cart. It?s got the first part down pat. But, I guess I am looking for something that speaks to my interpretation of the car ? a European supercar with the best possible combination of suspension, engine and looks. And, well, I sort of know good and well that many of you will disagree ? heck, I thought the back window in the sugar scoop was a great idea for keeping the engine clean and keeping folks hands out of the engine compartment ? but, I haven?t heard of anyone else jumping on that band-wagon. So, well, thank god each of us gets to play with our cars as we think fit! And, besides, Kelly says I can have it! What better logic? Stephen From: Garth Rodericks [mailto:garth_rodericks at yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 9:52 AM To: DeTomaso Mail List ; steve at snclocks.com Subject: Changing Steering Wheels Hi Steve, Why would you want to put a Nardi steering wheel in your Pantera? A wood rimmed Nardi just looks out of place in a Pantera in my opinion. The LeCarra wheel you have looks period correct and perfectly suited to the Pantera's interior. https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pantera-Detomaso-5332/i-ZTmSp7z/0/c5405c5e/M/5332%2005%2031%202015%2021-M.jpg Just my 2-cents. Post a pic of the wheel you want to add. Cheers! Garth -------------- next part -------------- Good morning Garth. Good question that. I've been thinking steering wheels ever since, about a year ago, I replaced the wheel in my '69 XKE with one that is a little smaller in diameter and a bit heavier - the change in that car was amazing - from the flexible response of a tiller on a boat (OK - one got used to it, but gads, there is a lot of flex in the originals) to a crisp response. I was concerned it wouldn't look right - but it is fine - and changes the way the car drives. Significantly. For the better. Besides, a friend who I have guided for 30 years on his XKE gave it to me! So, then, gave some thought to our Daytona Coupe. It came with a Mota-Lita leather-rimmed wheel. Right - what came on those cars originally - either leather, or wood, with rivets. I've chosen to replace the damaged leather-rimmed wheel with one of the riveted wheels that match what came originally on a Cobra. Like the Cobra, what the heck is a Coupe - a European exotic - no, or, well, likely an American hot-rod - or, not really. I think this wheel will look appropriate - given the use on the Cobra's and on a few of the Coupes. [1]https://www.moto-lita.co.uk/steering-wheels/ac-cobra-wood-rim-oem/ Which brings me to the Pantera. So, what is a Pantera? An American hot rod - well, perhaps. Or an Italian supercar - well, perhaps. I agree that a wheel like the one above would look totally out of place. But, a Nardi wood-rim? They fit Ferrarrits and Lampos and Maesers and the like. But, really, the interior does not really fit that style - though I'd argue it could. No, the wheel I am considering is this one - [2]http://www.mrsteeringwheel.com/nardi-kallista-wood-leather-350mm-505 5-35-3000/ It brings a touch of Italian flare without over powering the otherwise black interior. The challenge I have is the Lecarra looks like it would fit perfectly on a go-cart. OK, there are those that could argue that a point and squirt as potent as a Pantera could be considered a go-cart. It's got the first part down pat. But, I guess I am looking for something that speaks to my interpretation of the car - a European supercar with the best possible combination of suspension, engine and looks. And, well, I sort of know good and well that many of you will disagree - heck, I thought the back window in the sugar scoop was a great idea for keeping the engine clean and keeping folks hands out of the engine compartment - but, I haven't heard of anyone else jumping on that band-wagon. So, well, thank god each of us gets to play with our cars as we think fit! And, besides, Kelly says I can have it! What better logic? Stephen From: Garth Rodericks [mailto:garth_rodericks at yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 9:52 AM To: DeTomaso Mail List ; steve at snclocks.com Subject: Changing Steering Wheels Hi Steve, Why would you want to put a Nardi steering wheel in your Pantera? A wood rimmed Nardi just looks out of place in a Pantera in my opinion. The LeCarra wheel you have looks period correct and perfectly suited to the Pantera's interior. [3]https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pantera-Deto maso-5332/i-ZTmSp7z/0/c5405c5e/M/5332%2005%2031%202015%2021-M.jpg Just my 2-cents. Post a pic of the wheel you want to add. Cheers! Garth References 1. https://www.moto-lita.co.uk/steering-wheels/ac-cobra-wood-rim-oem/ 2. http://www.mrsteeringwheel.com/nardi-kallista-wood-leather-350mm-5055-35-3000/ 3. https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pantera-Detomaso-5332/i-ZTmSp7z/0/c5405c5e/M/5332%2005%2031%202015%2021-M.jpg From MikeLDrew at aol.com Wed Jan 23 14:01:16 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 11:01:16 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Changing Steering Wheels In-Reply-To: <00bf01d4b34a$50e4a2e0$f2ade8a0$@snclocks.com> References: <1065458986.511168.1548265913406.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1065458986.511168.1548265913406@mail.yahoo.com> <00bf01d4b34a$50e4a2e0$f2ade8a0$@snclocks.com> Message-ID: Steve, $727 for a steering wheel???? Nardi wheels use a unique bolt pattern (PCD) and its next to impossible to find a hub for them. What you want is a Momo wheel. The Prototipo is the factory wheel De Tomaso used on the Euro GTS, GT5, GT5-S and is a classic 70s design that is perfect for the car. If you want a more modern, flashy wheel, Momo offers those too. Pantera parts dealers offer fixed and removable hubs for Momo wheels. Personally I would not waste time with a removable hub. Other than for a morbidly obese owner who can't get in and out of the car otherwise (and there are some of those), they are pretty pointless, and can be dangerous when they fail. I had one fail on me while driving a customized GT5 conversion in San Francisco. I came to an intersection and turned right and the car zoomed straight ahead. Fortunately I didn't hit anything. We were able to take it apart and put it back together in the middle of the intersection and then carried on. You only need to have that happen once before you decide you don't like them! Full disclosure--Lori's car came with one and although I bought a fixed replacement I haven't changed it out yet. Hers has worked fine for years because we never remove the wheel. Mike Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 23, 2019, at 10:34, Steve wrote: > > Good morning Garth. Good question that. I've been thinking steering > wheels ever since, about a year ago, I replaced the wheel in my '69 XKE > with one that is a little smaller in diameter and a bit heavier - the > change in that car was amazing - from the flexible response of a tiller > on a boat (OK - one got used to it, but gads, there is a lot of flex in > the originals) to a crisp response. I was concerned it wouldn't look > right - but it is fine - and changes the way the car drives. > Significantly. For the better. Besides, a friend who I have guided > for 30 years on his XKE gave it to me! > > > So, then, gave some thought to our Daytona Coupe. It came with a > Mota-Lita leather-rimmed wheel. Right - what came on those cars > originally - either leather, or wood, with rivets. I've chosen to > replace the damaged leather-rimmed wheel with one of the riveted wheels > that match what came originally on a Cobra. Like the Cobra, what the > heck is a Coupe - a European exotic - no, or, well, likely an American > hot-rod - or, not really. I think this wheel will look appropriate - > given the use on the Cobra's and on a few of the Coupes. > [1]https://www.moto-lita.co.uk/steering-wheels/ac-cobra-wood-rim-oem/ > > > Which brings me to the Pantera. So, what is a Pantera? An American > hot rod - well, perhaps. Or an Italian supercar - well, perhaps. I > agree that a wheel like the one above would look totally out of place. > But, a Nardi wood-rim? They fit Ferrarrits and Lampos and Maesers and > the like. But, really, the interior does not really fit that style - > though I'd argue it could. No, the wheel I am considering is this one > - > [2]http://www.mrsteeringwheel.com/nardi-kallista-wood-leather-350mm-505 > 5-35-3000/ It brings a touch of Italian flare without over powering the > otherwise black interior. The challenge I have is the Lecarra looks > like it would fit perfectly on a go-cart. OK, there are those that > could argue that a point and squirt as potent as a Pantera could be > considered a go-cart. It's got the first part down pat. But, I guess > I am looking for something that speaks to my interpretation of the car > - a European supercar with the best possible combination of suspension, > engine and looks. > > > And, well, I sort of know good and well that many of you will disagree > - heck, I thought the back window in the sugar scoop was a great idea > for keeping the engine clean and keeping folks hands out of the engine > compartment - but, I haven't heard of anyone else jumping on that > band-wagon. So, well, thank god each of us gets to play with our cars > as we think fit! > > > And, besides, Kelly says I can have it! What better logic? > > > Stephen > > > From: Garth Rodericks [mailto:garth_rodericks at yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 9:52 AM > To: DeTomaso Mail List ; > steve at snclocks.com > Subject: Changing Steering Wheels > > > Hi Steve, > > > Why would you want to put a Nardi steering wheel in your Pantera? A > wood rimmed Nardi just looks out of place in a Pantera in my opinion. > The LeCarra wheel you have looks period correct and perfectly suited to > the Pantera's interior. > > > [3]https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pantera-Deto > maso-5332/i-ZTmSp7z/0/c5405c5e/M/5332%2005%2031%202015%2021-M.jpg > > > Just my 2-cents. Post a pic of the wheel you want to add. > > > Cheers! > > Garth > > References > > 1. https://www.moto-lita.co.uk/steering-wheels/ac-cobra-wood-rim-oem/ > 2. http://www.mrsteeringwheel.com/nardi-kallista-wood-leather-350mm-5055-35-3000/ > 3. https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pantera-Detomaso-5332/i-ZTmSp7z/0/c5405c5e/M/5332%2005%2031%202015%2021-M.jpg > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From garth_rodericks at yahoo.com Wed Jan 23 14:11:01 2019 From: garth_rodericks at yahoo.com (Garth Rodericks) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 19:11:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Changing Steering Wheels In-Reply-To: <00bf01d4b34a$50e4a2e0$f2ade8a0$@snclocks.com> References: <1065458986.511168.1548265913406.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1065458986.511168.1548265913406@mail.yahoo.com> <00bf01d4b34a$50e4a2e0$f2ade8a0$@snclocks.com> Message-ID: <419072269.584082.1548270661126@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Stephen, A well thought out response!? And I agree, if the wife says "ok," that's reason enough!? And, I see your point... What is a Pantera?? Italian exotic?? American muscle car?? Supercar?? Hot rod?? Arguably, it's all of those things.? I never made the LeCarra go-kart connection before, but I think you're right.? Then again, when people ask what it's like to drive I always tell them "it handles like a go-kart!" I do marvel at the many different personalities of the Pantera - I've always thought my car had more of a Classic fighter jet utilitarian feel to the cockpit, and my LeCarra wheel fits that personality well.? And I've seen others with wood rimmed Nardi wheels embody a delicate Italian Luxury car personality, and still others with different personalities from modern supercar to tasteless import tuner-car. I do hope to see your rear decklid back window in person someday.? Most people I meet who are unfamiliar with Panteras are always surprised to find there is NOT a window in that spot.? I've been thinking of ways to reduce the amount of dust and dirt drawn up through the engine compartment onto the rear decklid and imagine your window goes a long way to keeping the back of the car much cleaner.? Your installation looks like it was very well executed!? I was contemplating installing some kind of belly-pan under the engine compartment to stop the suction of dirt up off the road and out through the rear decklid opening, but haven't gotten around to it yet. Anyway, I completely agree with you... it is YOUR car to play with as you see fit!?? Enjoy! On Wednesday, January 23, 2019, 10:34:47 AM PST, Steve wrote: Good morning Garth.? Good question that.? I?ve been thinking steering wheels ever since, about a year ago, I replaced the wheel in my ?69 XKE with one that is a little smaller in diameter and a bit heavier ? the change in that car was amazing ? from the flexible response of a tiller on a boat (OK ? one got used to it, but gads, there is a lot of flex in the originals) to a crisp response.? I was concerned it wouldn?t look right ? but it is fine ? and changes the way the car drives.? Significantly.? For the better.? Besides, a friend who I have guided for 30 years on his XKE gave it to me! ? So, then, gave some thought to our Daytona Coupe.? It came with a Mota-Lita leather-rimmed wheel.? Right ? what came on those cars originally ? either leather, or wood, with rivets.? I?ve chosen to replace the damaged leather-rimmed wheel with one of the riveted wheels that match what came originally on a Cobra.? Like the Cobra, what the heck is a Coupe ? a European exotic ? no, or, well, likely an American hot-rod ? or, not really.? I think this wheel will look appropriate ? given the use on the Cobra?s and on a few of the Coupes. https://www.moto-lita.co.uk/steering-wheels/ac-cobra-wood-rim-oem/ ? Which brings me to the Pantera.? So, what is a Pantera?? An American hot rod ? well, perhaps.? Or an Italian supercar ? well, perhaps.? I agree that a wheel like the one above would look totally out of place.? But, a Nardi wood-rim?? They fit Ferrarrits and Lampos? and Maesers and the like.? But, really, the interior does not really fit that style ? though I?d argue it could.? No, the wheel I am considering is this one - http://www.mrsteeringwheel.com/nardi-kallista-wood-leather-350mm-5055-35-3000/ It brings a touch of Italian flare without over powering the otherwise black interior.? The challenge I have is the Lecarra looks like it would fit perfectly on a go-cart.? OK, there are those that could argue that a point and squirt as potent as a Pantera could be considered a go-cart.? It?s got the first part down pat.? But, I guess I am looking for something that speaks to my interpretation of the car ? a European supercar with the best possible combination of suspension, engine and looks.? ? And, well, I sort of? know good and well that many of you will disagree ? heck, I thought the back window in the sugar scoop was a great idea for keeping the engine clean and keeping folks hands out of the engine compartment ? but, I haven?t heard of anyone else jumping on that band-wagon.? So, well, thank god each of us gets to play with our cars as we think fit! ? And, besides, Kelly says I can have it!? What better logic? ? Stephen ? From: Garth Rodericks [mailto:garth_rodericks at yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 9:52 AM To: DeTomaso Mail List ; steve at snclocks.com Subject: Changing Steering Wheels ? Hi Steve, ? Why would you want to put a Nardi steering wheel in your Pantera?? A wood rimmed Nardi just looks out of place in a Pantera in my opinion.? The LeCarra wheel you have looks period correct and perfectly suited to the Pantera's interior. ? https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pantera-Detomaso-5332/i-ZTmSp7z/0/c5405c5e/M/5332%2005%2031%202015%2021-M.jpg ? Just my 2-cents.? Post a pic of the wheel you want to add. ? Cheers! Garth ? -------------- next part -------------- Hi Stephen, A well thought out response! And I agree, if the wife says "ok," that's reason enough! And, I see your point... What is a Pantera? Italian exotic? American muscle car? Supercar? Hot rod? Arguably, it's all of those things. I never made the LeCarra go-kart connection before, but I think you're right. Then again, when people ask what it's like to drive I always tell them "it handles like a go-kart!" I do marvel at the many different personalities of the Pantera - I've always thought my car had more of a Classic fighter jet utilitarian feel to the cockpit, and my LeCarra wheel fits that personality well. And I've seen others with wood rimmed Nardi wheels embody a delicate Italian Luxury car personality, and still others with different personalities from modern supercar to tasteless import tuner-car. I do hope to see your rear decklid back window in person someday. Most people I meet who are unfamiliar with Panteras are always surprised to find there is NOT a window in that spot. I've been thinking of ways to reduce the amount of dust and dirt drawn up through the engine compartment onto the rear decklid and imagine your window goes a long way to keeping the back of the car much cleaner. Your installation looks like it was very well executed! I was contemplating installing some kind of belly-pan under the engine compartment to stop the suction of dirt up off the road and out through the rear decklid opening, but haven't gotten around to it yet. Anyway, I completely agree with you... it is YOUR car to play with as you see fit! Enjoy! On Wednesday, January 23, 2019, 10:34:47 AM PST, Steve wrote: Good morning Garth. Good question that. Iave been thinking steering wheels ever since, about a year ago, I replaced the wheel in my a69 XKE with one that is a little smaller in diameter and a bit heavier a the change in that car was amazing a from the flexible response of a tiller on a boat (OK a one got used to it, but gads, there is a lot of flex in the originals) to a crisp response. I was concerned it wouldnat look right a but it is fine a and changes the way the car drives. Significantly. For the better. Besides, a friend who I have guided for 30 years on his XKE gave it to me! So, then, gave some thought to our Daytona Coupe. It came with a Mota-Lita leather-rimmed wheel. Right a what came on those cars originally a either leather, or wood, with rivets. Iave chosen to replace the damaged leather-rimmed wheel with one of the riveted wheels that match what came originally on a Cobra. Like the Cobra, what the heck is a Coupe a a European exotic a no, or, well, likely an American hot-rod a or, not really. I think this wheel will look appropriate a given the use on the Cobraas and on a few of the Coupes. [1]https://www.moto-lita.co.uk/steering-wheels/ac-cobra-wood-rim-oem/ Which brings me to the Pantera. So, what is a Pantera? An American hot rod a well, perhaps. Or an Italian supercar a well, perhaps. I agree that a wheel like the one above would look totally out of place. But, a Nardi wood-rim? They fit Ferrarrits and Lampos and Maesers and the like. But, really, the interior does not really fit that style a though Iad argue it could. No, the wheel I am considering is this one - [2]http://www.mrsteeringwheel.com/nardi-kallista-wood-leather-350mm-505 5-35-3000/ It brings a touch of Italian flare without over powering the otherwise black interior. The challenge I have is the Lecarra looks like it would fit perfectly on a go-cart. OK, there are those that could argue that a point and squirt as potent as a Pantera could be considered a go-cart. Itas got the first part down pat. But, I guess I am looking for something that speaks to my interpretation of the car a a European supercar with the best possible combination of suspension, engine and looks. And, well, I sort of know good and well that many of you will disagree a heck, I thought the back window in the sugar scoop was a great idea for keeping the engine clean and keeping folks hands out of the engine compartment a but, I havenat heard of anyone else jumping on that band-wagon. So, well, thank god each of us gets to play with our cars as we think fit! And, besides, Kelly says I can have it! What better logic? Stephen From: Garth Rodericks [mailto:garth_rodericks at yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 9:52 AM To: DeTomaso Mail List ; steve at snclocks.com Subject: Changing Steering Wheels Hi Steve, Why would you want to put a Nardi steering wheel in your Pantera? A wood rimmed Nardi just looks out of place in a Pantera in my opinion. The LeCarra wheel you have looks period correct and perfectly suited to the Pantera's interior. [3]https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pantera-Deto maso-5332/i-ZTmSp7z/0/c5405c5e/M/5332%2005%2031%202015%2021-M.jpg Just my 2-cents. Post a pic of the wheel you want to add. Cheers! Garth References 1. https://www.moto-lita.co.uk/steering-wheels/ac-cobra-wood-rim-oem/ 2. http://www.mrsteeringwheel.com/nardi-kallista-wood-leather-350mm-5055-35-3000/ 3. https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pantera-Detomaso-5332/i-ZTmSp7z/0/c5405c5e/M/5332%2005%2031%202015%2021-M.jpg From pantdino at aol.com Wed Jan 23 15:11:20 2019 From: pantdino at aol.com (Pantdino) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 20:11:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine - Ford era Panteras exempt References: <1696164780.2538357.1548274280452.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1696164780.2538357.1548274280452@mail.yahoo.com> Technically the exemption to smog testing only applies IF YOU HAVE NOT CHANGED ANYTHING FROM FACTORY STOCK.? So if you drive your Pantera around with a 100db exhaust, you might still get pulled over.? Jim -----Original Message----- From: Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso To: DeTomaso Mail List Sent: Wed, Jan 23, 2019 9:33 am Subject: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine - Ford era Panteras exempt ? Just an update I spotted in a Hot Rod article...? It seems smog exempt ? vehicles are not subject to the fine. ? [1]https://www.hotrod.com/articles/californias-new-exhaust-noise-bill/ ? Quote from the article... ? "In conclusion, if you own a car that requires a smog certificate in ? order to register it (1976 and newer) and you have an exhaust that is ? loud enough to give law enforcement a reason to pull you over, youare ? getting fined! For now, this amendment wonat have any effect on ? pre-smog era cars (1975 and older). There is a silver-lining though. If ? you were cited for an illegal exhaust and you believe you werenat in ? violation, there is a SEMA-sponsored noise-testing program with the ? Bureau of Automotive Repair that can dismiss the citation by issuing a ? certificate of compliance." ? SEMA-sponsored noise-testing program: ? [2]https://www.semasan.com/legislative-alerts/california/california-exh ? aust-noise-testing-program-open-business ? Certificate of compliance ? [3]https://bar.ca.gov/Consumer/Referee_Program/Vehicle_Exhaust_Noise_Le ? vel_Certification.html References ? 1. https://www.hotrod.com/articles/californias-new-exhaust-noise-bill/ ? 2. https://www.semasan.com/legislative-alerts/california/california-exhaust-noise-testing-program-open-business ? 3. https://bar.ca.gov/Consumer/Referee_Program/Vehicle_Exhaust_Noise_Level_Certification.html _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Technically the exemption to smog testing only applies IF YOU HAVE NOT CHANGED ANYTHING FROM FACTORY STOCK. So if you drive your Pantera around with a 100db exhaust, you might still get pulled over. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso To: DeTomaso Mail List Sent: Wed, Jan 23, 2019 9:33 am Subject: [DeTomaso] New California Exhaust Fine - Ford era Panteras exempt Just an update I spotted in a Hot Rod article... It seems smog exempt vehicles are not subject to the fine. [1][1]https://www.hotrod.com/articles/californias-new-exhaust-noise-bil l/ Quote from the article... "In conclusion, if you own a car that requires a smog certificate in order to register it (1976 and newer) and you have an exhaust that is loud enough to give law enforcement a reason to pull you over, youare getting fined! For now, this amendment wonat have any effect on pre-smog era cars (1975 and older). There is a silver-lining though. If you were cited for an illegal exhaust and you believe you werenat in violation, there is a SEMA-sponsored noise-testing program with the Bureau of Automotive Repair that can dismiss the citation by issuing a certificate of compliance." SEMA-sponsored noise-testing program: [2][2]https://www.semasan.com/legislative-alerts/california/california- exh aust-noise-testing-program-open-business Certificate of compliance [3][3]https://bar.ca.gov/Consumer/Referee_Program/Vehicle_Exhaust_Noise _Le vel_Certification.html References 1. [4]https://www.hotrod.com/articles/californias-new-exhaust-noise-bill/ 2. [5]https://www.semasan.com/legislative-alerts/california/california-exh aust-noise-testing-program-open-business 3. [6]https://bar.ca.gov/Consumer/Referee_Program/Vehicle_Exhaust_Noise_Le vel_Certification.html _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [7]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [8]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. https://www.hotrod.com/articles/californias-new-exhaust-noise-bill/ 2. https://www.semasan.com/legislative-alerts/california/california-exh 3. https://bar.ca.gov/Consumer/Referee_Program/Vehicle_Exhaust_Noise_Le 4. https://www.hotrod.com/articles/californias-new-exhaust-noise-bill/ 5. https://www.semasan.com/legislative-alerts/california/california-exhaust-noise-testing-program-open-business 6. https://bar.ca.gov/Consumer/Referee_Program/Vehicle_Exhaust_Noise_Level_Certification.html 7. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 8. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From edducati at mac.com Wed Jan 23 15:59:23 2019 From: edducati at mac.com (Ed Mendez) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 14:59:23 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] Changing Steering Wheels In-Reply-To: References: <1065458986.511168.1548265913406.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1065458986.511168.1548265913406@mail.yahoo.com> <00bf01d4b34a$50e4a2e0$f2ade8a0$@snclocks.com> Message-ID: Here is the Momo to Nardi PCD adapter: https://www.driftshop.com/nardi-hub-adapter-pcd-converter.html https://jhpusa.com/products/nardi-personal-hub-ring-adapter Ed Sent from my iPhone X > On Jan 23, 2019, at 13:01, Mike Drew via DeTomaso wrote: > > Steve, > > $727 for a steering wheel???? > > Nardi wheels use a unique bolt pattern (PCD) and its next to impossible to find a hub for them. > > What you want is a Momo wheel. The Prototipo is the factory wheel De Tomaso used on the Euro GTS, GT5, GT5-S and is a classic 70s design that is perfect for the car. If you want a more modern, flashy wheel, Momo offers those too. > > Pantera parts dealers offer fixed and removable hubs for Momo wheels. Personally I would not waste time with a removable hub. Other than for a morbidly obese owner who can't get in and out of the car otherwise (and there are some of those), they are pretty pointless, and can be dangerous when they fail. > > I had one fail on me while driving a customized GT5 conversion in San Francisco. I came to an intersection and turned right and the car zoomed straight ahead. Fortunately I didn't hit anything. We were able to take it apart and put it back together in the middle of the intersection and then carried on. > > You only need to have that happen once before you decide you don't like them! > > Full disclosure--Lori's car came with one and although I bought a fixed replacement I haven't changed it out yet. Hers has worked fine for years because we never remove the wheel. > > Mike > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 23, 2019, at 10:34, Steve wrote: >> >> Good morning Garth. Good question that. I've been thinking steering >> wheels ever since, about a year ago, I replaced the wheel in my '69 XKE >> with one that is a little smaller in diameter and a bit heavier - the >> change in that car was amazing - from the flexible response of a tiller >> on a boat (OK - one got used to it, but gads, there is a lot of flex in >> the originals) to a crisp response. I was concerned it wouldn't look >> right - but it is fine - and changes the way the car drives. >> Significantly. For the better. Besides, a friend who I have guided >> for 30 years on his XKE gave it to me! >> >> >> So, then, gave some thought to our Daytona Coupe. It came with a >> Mota-Lita leather-rimmed wheel. Right - what came on those cars >> originally - either leather, or wood, with rivets. I've chosen to >> replace the damaged leather-rimmed wheel with one of the riveted wheels >> that match what came originally on a Cobra. Like the Cobra, what the >> heck is a Coupe - a European exotic - no, or, well, likely an American >> hot-rod - or, not really. I think this wheel will look appropriate - >> given the use on the Cobra's and on a few of the Coupes. >> [1]https://www.moto-lita.co.uk/steering-wheels/ac-cobra-wood-rim-oem/ >> >> >> Which brings me to the Pantera. So, what is a Pantera? An American >> hot rod - well, perhaps. Or an Italian supercar - well, perhaps. I >> agree that a wheel like the one above would look totally out of place. >> But, a Nardi wood-rim? They fit Ferrarrits and Lampos and Maesers and >> the like. But, really, the interior does not really fit that style - >> though I'd argue it could. No, the wheel I am considering is this one >> - >> [2]http://www.mrsteeringwheel.com/nardi-kallista-wood-leather-350mm-505 >> 5-35-3000/ It brings a touch of Italian flare without over powering the >> otherwise black interior. The challenge I have is the Lecarra looks >> like it would fit perfectly on a go-cart. OK, there are those that >> could argue that a point and squirt as potent as a Pantera could be >> considered a go-cart. It's got the first part down pat. But, I guess >> I am looking for something that speaks to my interpretation of the car >> - a European supercar with the best possible combination of suspension, >> engine and looks. >> >> >> And, well, I sort of know good and well that many of you will disagree >> - heck, I thought the back window in the sugar scoop was a great idea >> for keeping the engine clean and keeping folks hands out of the engine >> compartment - but, I haven't heard of anyone else jumping on that >> band-wagon. So, well, thank god each of us gets to play with our cars >> as we think fit! >> >> >> And, besides, Kelly says I can have it! What better logic? >> >> >> Stephen >> >> >> From: Garth Rodericks [mailto:garth_rodericks at yahoo.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 9:52 AM >> To: DeTomaso Mail List ; >> steve at snclocks.com >> Subject: Changing Steering Wheels >> >> >> Hi Steve, >> >> >> Why would you want to put a Nardi steering wheel in your Pantera? A >> wood rimmed Nardi just looks out of place in a Pantera in my opinion. >> The LeCarra wheel you have looks period correct and perfectly suited to >> the Pantera's interior. >> >> >> [3]https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pantera-Deto >> maso-5332/i-ZTmSp7z/0/c5405c5e/M/5332%2005%2031%202015%2021-M.jpg >> >> >> Just my 2-cents. Post a pic of the wheel you want to add. >> >> >> Cheers! >> >> Garth >> >> References >> >> 1. https://www.moto-lita.co.uk/steering-wheels/ac-cobra-wood-rim-oem/ >> 2. http://www.mrsteeringwheel.com/nardi-kallista-wood-leather-350mm-5055-35-3000/ >> 3. https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pantera-Detomaso-5332/i-ZTmSp7z/0/c5405c5e/M/5332%2005%2031%202015%2021-M.jpg >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Here is the Momo to Nardi PCD adapter: [1]https://www.driftshop.com/nardi-hub-adapter-pcd-converter.html [2]https://jhpusa.com/products/nardi-personal-hub-ring-adapter Ed Sent from my iPhone X On Jan 23, 2019, at 13:01, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: Steve, $727 for a steering wheel???? Nardi wheels use a unique bolt pattern (PCD) and its next to impossible to find a hub for them. What you want is a Momo wheel. The Prototipo is the factory wheel De Tomaso used on the Euro GTS, GT5, GT5-S and is a classic 70s design that is perfect for the car. If you want a more modern, flashy wheel, Momo offers those too. Pantera parts dealers offer fixed and removable hubs for Momo wheels. Personally I would not waste time with a removable hub. Other than for a morbidly obese owner who can't get in and out of the car otherwise (and there are some of those), they are pretty pointless, and can be dangerous when they fail. I had one fail on me while driving a customized GT5 conversion in San Francisco. I came to an intersection and turned right and the car zoomed straight ahead. Fortunately I didn't hit anything. We were able to take it apart and put it back together in the middle of the intersection and then carried on. You only need to have that happen once before you decide you don't like them! Full disclosure--Lori's car came with one and although I bought a fixed replacement I haven't changed it out yet. Hers has worked fine for years because we never remove the wheel. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Jan 23, 2019, at 10:34, Steve <[4]steve at snclocks.com> wrote: Good morning Garth. Good question that. I've been thinking steering wheels ever since, about a year ago, I replaced the wheel in my '69 XKE with one that is a little smaller in diameter and a bit heavier - the change in that car was amazing - from the flexible response of a tiller on a boat (OK - one got used to it, but gads, there is a lot of flex in the originals) to a crisp response. I was concerned it wouldn't look right - but it is fine - and changes the way the car drives. Significantly. For the better. Besides, a friend who I have guided for 30 years on his XKE gave it to me! So, then, gave some thought to our Daytona Coupe. It came with a Mota-Lita leather-rimmed wheel. Right - what came on those cars originally - either leather, or wood, with rivets. I've chosen to replace the damaged leather-rimmed wheel with one of the riveted wheels that match what came originally on a Cobra. Like the Cobra, what the heck is a Coupe - a European exotic - no, or, well, likely an American hot-rod - or, not really. I think this wheel will look appropriate - given the use on the Cobra's and on a few of the Coupes. [1][5]https://www.moto-lita.co.uk/steering-wheels/ac-cobra-wood-rim -oem/ Which brings me to the Pantera. So, what is a Pantera? An American hot rod - well, perhaps. Or an Italian supercar - well, perhaps. I agree that a wheel like the one above would look totally out of place. But, a Nardi wood-rim? They fit Ferrarrits and Lampos and Maesers and the like. But, really, the interior does not really fit that style - though I'd argue it could. No, the wheel I am considering is this one - [2][6]http://www.mrsteeringwheel.com/nardi-kallista-wood-leather-35 0mm-505 5-35-3000/ It brings a touch of Italian flare without over powering the otherwise black interior. The challenge I have is the Lecarra looks like it would fit perfectly on a go-cart. OK, there are those that could argue that a point and squirt as potent as a Pantera could be considered a go-cart. It's got the first part down pat. But, I guess I am looking for something that speaks to my interpretation of the car - a European supercar with the best possible combination of suspension, engine and looks. And, well, I sort of know good and well that many of you will disagree - heck, I thought the back window in the sugar scoop was a great idea for keeping the engine clean and keeping folks hands out of the engine compartment - but, I haven't heard of anyone else jumping on that band-wagon. So, well, thank god each of us gets to play with our cars as we think fit! And, besides, Kelly says I can have it! What better logic? Stephen From: Garth Rodericks [[7]mailto:garth_rodericks at yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 9:52 AM To: DeTomaso Mail List <[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; [9]steve at snclocks.com Subject: Changing Steering Wheels Hi Steve, Why would you want to put a Nardi steering wheel in your Pantera? A wood rimmed Nardi just looks out of place in a Pantera in my opinion. The LeCarra wheel you have looks period correct and perfectly suited to the Pantera's interior. [3][10]https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pant era-Deto maso-5332/i-ZTmSp7z/0/c5405c5e/M/5332%2005%2031%202015%2021-M.jpg Just my 2-cents. Post a pic of the wheel you want to add. Cheers! Garth References 1. [11]https://www.moto-lita.co.uk/steering-wheels/ac-cobra-wood-rim-oe m/ 2. [12]http://www.mrsteeringwheel.com/nardi-kallista-wood-leather-350mm -5055-35-3000/ 3. [13]https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pantera- Detomaso-5332/i-ZTmSp7z/0/c5405c5e/M/5332%2005%2031%202015%2021-M.jp g _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [14]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [15]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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References 1. https://www.driftshop.com/nardi-hub-adapter-pcd-converter.html 2. https://jhpusa.com/products/nardi-personal-hub-ring-adapter 3. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 4. mailto:steve at snclocks.com 5. https://www.moto-lita.co.uk/steering-wheels/ac-cobra-wood-rim-oem/ 6. http://www.mrsteeringwheel.com/nardi-kallista-wood-leather-350mm-505 7. mailto:garth_rodericks at yahoo.com 8. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 9. mailto:steve at snclocks.com 10. https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pantera-Deto 11. https://www.moto-lita.co.uk/steering-wheels/ac-cobra-wood-rim-oem/ 12. http://www.mrsteeringwheel.com/nardi-kallista-wood-leather-350mm-5055-35-3000/ 13. https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pantera-Detomaso-5332/i-ZTmSp7z/0/c5405c5e/M/5332%2005%2031%202015%2021-M.jpg 14. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 15. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 16. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 17. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From vinh.d.ly at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 16:46:14 2019 From: vinh.d.ly at gmail.com (Vinh Ly) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 16:46:14 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera Rental $800/day Message-ID: I had heard of this car share site and was curious and surprised to see a ?72 Pantera! And my favorite color! https://driveshare.com/car/1079/search/?l=USA&mk=DeTomaso&md=&p1=0&p2=4000&ta=1&tm=1&s=recommended&i=0&v=list&o=0 -------------- next part -------------- I had heard of this car share site and was curious and surprised to see a a72 Pantera!A And my favorite color! [1]https://driveshare.com/car/1079/search/?l=USA&mk=DeTomaso&md=&p1=0&p 2=4000&ta=1&tm=1&s=recommended&i=0&v=list&o=0 References 1. https://driveshare.com/car/1079/search/?l=USA&mk=DeTomaso&md=&p1=0&p2=4000&ta=1&tm=1&s=recommended&i=0&v=list&o=0 From asajay at asajay.com Wed Jan 23 20:02:45 2019 From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 17:02:45 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera Rental $800/day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No seats, no door panels, can't spell "original"? (how original)..... Must be a real fun drive. Are you sure this is legit, or a scam to pry a $500 deposit out of your wallet? Asa? Jay ?Asa? Jay? Laughton, W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, retired Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks? On Jan 23, 2019, 13:46, at 13:46, Vinh Ly wrote: >I had heard of this car share site and was curious and surprised to see >a >?72 Pantera! And my favorite color! > >https://driveshare.com/car/1079/search/?l=USA&mk=DeTomaso&md=&p1=0&p2=4000&ta=1&tm=1&s=recommended&i=0&v=list&o=0 > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ > > >Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > >To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >use the links above. > >Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive >or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- No seats, no door panels, can't spell "original"A (how original)..... Must be a real fun drive. Are you sure this is legit, or a scam to pry a $500 deposit out of your wallet? AsaA Jay AsaA JayA Laughton, W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, retired Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks On Jan 23, 2019, at 13:46, Vinh Ly <[1]vinh.d.ly at gmail.com target=_blank>[2]vinh.d.ly at gmail.com> wrote: I had heard of this car share site and was curious and surprised to see a a72 Pantera! And my favorite color! [3]https://driveshare.com/car/1079/search/?l=USA&mk=DeTomaso&md=&p1=0&p2=4000&ta =1&tm=1&s=recommended&i=0&v=list&o=0 ___________________________________________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the li nks above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message p osted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of lis t messages. References 1. mailto: References: Message-ID: It appears to be an Event Rental. The $800 per day is for photo shoot use....non-driving use. > On Jan 23, 2019, at 5:02 PM, Asa Jay Laughton wrote: > > No seats, no door panels, can't spell "original"A (how original)..... > > Must be a real fun drive. > > Are you sure this is legit, or a scam to pry a $500 deposit out of your > wallet? > > AsaA Jay > > AsaA JayA Laughton, W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, retired > > Sent using Jedi Mind Tricks > > On Jan 23, 2019, at 13:46, Vinh Ly <[1]vinh.d.ly at gmail.com > target=_blank>[2]vinh.d.ly at gmail.com> wrote: > > I had heard of this car share site and was curious and surprised to see a > a72 Pantera! And my favorite color! > [3]https://driveshare.com/car/1079/search/?l=USA&mk=DeTomaso&md=&p1=0&p2=4000&ta > =1&tm=1&s=recommended&i=0&v=list&o=0 > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the li > nks above. > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message p > osted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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From steve at snclocks.com Thu Jan 24 10:37:22 2019 From: steve at snclocks.com (Steve) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 07:37:22 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Changing Steering Wheels In-Reply-To: References: <1065458986.511168.1548265913406.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1065458986.511168.1548265913406@mail.yahoo.com> <00bf01d4b34a$50e4a2e0$f2ade8a0$@snclocks.com> Message-ID: <005301d4b3fa$b36da410$1a48ec30$@snclocks.com> Good morning Mike! The whole steering wheel pcd thing is confusing. OK - pcd - pitch circle diameter. Here is a simple table for some of the popular wheels: Maker Holes Pitch Circle Diam Nardi 6 74 mm Momo 6 70 mm Moto-Lita 9 101.6 mm (4 inch) LeCarra 9 101 (4 inch) Before anyone points out the obvious, I am sure there are exceptions. Take our Daytona Coupe - it uses the same screw mounting that the original Cobra used - which is not evenly spaced. It turns out that lots of adapters are available for going from 70 to 74 mm pcd, or going the other way. And, wow, Nardi offers a specific hub for the Pantera - their part number 4302.14.1512 - which also fits a '69 to '72 Capri. Makes that part easier. Looking at quick releases, many are drilled for either the 70 or the 74 pcd. This might be easier than I thought, but, yes, as you point out, not cheap. But, since when is price the issue with our cars??? Honestly, every part of our Pantera is critical and needs to be in good shape, properly installed and working properly. I looked up removable steering wheel fails - forums suggest it comes down to operator error. Which is why I do my best to do all of the work on our cars myself - I don't want to rely on someone else to not make a mistake. It's also why I am very careful on test drives - gads, what mistakes lurk within??? Why a removable wheel? Getting under the dash is a pain. And the wheel on 5332 is more of a pain to remove than any of our other cars. And, I suspect I will need some form of a spacer with the Nardi hub. But, as mentioned before, every one of us gets to modify our cars to fit our desires!!! Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Mike Drew [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:01 AM To: Steve Cc: Garth Rodericks ; DeTomaso Mail List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Changing Steering Wheels Steve, $727 for a steering wheel???? Nardi wheels use a unique bolt pattern (PCD) and its next to impossible to find a hub for them. What you want is a Momo wheel. The Prototipo is the factory wheel De Tomaso used on the Euro GTS, GT5, GT5-S and is a classic 70s design that is perfect for the car. If you want a more modern, flashy wheel, Momo offers those too. Pantera parts dealers offer fixed and removable hubs for Momo wheels. Personally I would not waste time with a removable hub. Other than for a morbidly obese owner who can't get in and out of the car otherwise (and there are some of those), they are pretty pointless, and can be dangerous when they fail. I had one fail on me while driving a customized GT5 conversion in San Francisco. I came to an intersection and turned right and the car zoomed straight ahead. Fortunately I didn't hit anything. We were able to take it apart and put it back together in the middle of the intersection and then carried on. You only need to have that happen once before you decide you don't like them! Full disclosure--Lori's car came with one and although I bought a fixed replacement I haven't changed it out yet. Hers has worked fine for years because we never remove the wheel. Mike Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 23, 2019, at 10:34, Steve < steve at snclocks.com> wrote: > > Good morning Garth. Good question that. I've been thinking steering > wheels ever since, about a year ago, I replaced the wheel in my '69 XKE > with one that is a little smaller in diameter and a bit heavier - the > change in that car was amazing - from the flexible response of a tiller > on a boat (OK - one got used to it, but gads, there is a lot of flex in > the originals) to a crisp response. I was concerned it wouldn't look > right - but it is fine - and changes the way the car drives. > Significantly. For the better. Besides, a friend who I have guided > for 30 years on his XKE gave it to me! > > > So, then, gave some thought to our Daytona Coupe. It came with a > Mota-Lita leather-rimmed wheel. Right - what came on those cars > originally - either leather, or wood, with rivets. I've chosen to > replace the damaged leather-rimmed wheel with one of the riveted wheels > that match what came originally on a Cobra. Like the Cobra, what the > heck is a Coupe - a European exotic - no, or, well, likely an American > hot-rod - or, not really. I think this wheel will look appropriate - > given the use on the Cobra's and on a few of the Coupes. > > [1] https://www.moto-lita.co.uk/steering-wheels/ac-cobra-wood-rim-oem/ > > > Which brings me to the Pantera. So, what is a Pantera? An American > hot rod - well, perhaps. Or an Italian supercar - well, perhaps. I > agree that a wheel like the one above would look totally out of place. > But, a Nardi wood-rim? They fit Ferrarrits and Lampos and Maesers and > the like. But, really, the interior does not really fit that style - > though I'd argue it could. No, the wheel I am considering is this one > - > [2] http://www.mrsteeringwheel.com/nardi-kallista-wood-leather-350mm-505 > 5-35-3000/ It brings a touch of Italian flare without over powering the > otherwise black interior. The challenge I have is the Lecarra looks > like it would fit perfectly on a go-cart. OK, there are those that > could argue that a point and squirt as potent as a Pantera could be > considered a go-cart. It's got the first part down pat. But, I guess > I am looking for something that speaks to my interpretation of the car > - a European supercar with the best possible combination of suspension, > engine and looks. > > > And, well, I sort of know good and well that many of you will disagree > - heck, I thought the back window in the sugar scoop was a great idea > for keeping the engine clean and keeping folks hands out of the engine > compartment - but, I haven't heard of anyone else jumping on that > band-wagon. So, well, thank god each of us gets to play with our cars > as we think fit! > > > And, besides, Kelly says I can have it! What better logic? > > > Stephen > > > From: Garth Rodericks [ mailto:garth_rodericks at yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 9:52 AM > To: DeTomaso Mail List < detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; > steve at snclocks.com > Subject: Changing Steering Wheels > > > Hi Steve, > > > Why would you want to put a Nardi steering wheel in your Pantera? A > wood rimmed Nardi just looks out of place in a Pantera in my opinion. > The LeCarra wheel you have looks period correct and perfectly suited to > the Pantera's interior. > > > [3] https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pantera-Deto > maso-5332/i-ZTmSp7z/0/c5405c5e/M/5332%2005%2031%202015%2021-M.jpg > > > Just my 2-cents. Post a pic of the wheel you want to add. > > > Cheers! > > Garth > > References > > 1. https://www.moto-lita.co.uk/steering-wheels/ac-cobra-wood-rim-oem/ > 2. http://www.mrsteeringwheel.com/nardi-kallista-wood-leather-350mm-5055-35-300 0/ > 3. > https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pantera-Detoma > so-5332/i-ZTmSp7z/0/c5405c5e/M/5332%2005%2031%202015%2021-M.jpg > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not > exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Good morning Mike! The whole steering wheel pcd thing is confusing. OK - pcd - pitch circle diameter. Here is a simple table for some of the popular wheels: Maker Holes Pitch Circle Diam Nardi 6 74 mm Momo 6 70 mm Moto-Lita 9 101.6 mm (4 inch) LeCarra 9 101 (4 inch) Before anyone points out the obvious, I am sure there are exceptions. Take our Daytona Coupe - it uses the same screw mounting that the original Cobra used - which is not evenly spaced. It turns out that lots of adapters are available for going from 70 to 74 mm pcd, or going the other way. And, wow, Nardi offers a specific hub for the Pantera - their part number 4302.14.1512 - which also fits a '69 to '72 Capri. Makes that part easier. Looking at quick releases, many are drilled for either the 70 or the 74 pcd. This might be easier than I thought, but, yes, as you point out, not cheap. But, since when is price the issue with our cars??? Honestly, every part of our Pantera is critical and needs to be in good shape, properly installed and working properly. I looked up removable steering wheel fails - forums suggest it comes down to operator error. Which is why I do my best to do all of the work on our cars myself - I don't want to rely on someone else to not make a mistake. It's also why I am very careful on test drives - gads, what mistakes lurk within??? Why a removable wheel? Getting under the dash is a pain. And the wheel on 5332 is more of a pain to remove than any of our other cars. And, I suspect I will need some form of a spacer with the Nardi hub. But, as mentioned before, every one of us gets to modify our cars to fit our desires!!! [cid:image002.jpg at 01D4B3B7.A4C8B0F0] Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Mike Drew [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:01 AM To: Steve Cc: Garth Rodericks ; DeTomaso Mail List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Changing Steering Wheels Steve, $727 for a steering wheel???? Nardi wheels use a unique bolt pattern (PCD) and its next to impossible to find a hub for them. What you want is a Momo wheel. The Prototipo is the factory wheel De Tomaso used on the Euro GTS, GT5, GT5-S and is a classic 70s design that is perfect for the car. If you want a more modern, flashy wheel, Momo offers those too. Pantera parts dealers offer fixed and removable hubs for Momo wheels. Personally I would not waste time with a removable hub. Other than for a morbidly obese owner who can't get in and out of the car otherwise (and there are some of those), they are pretty pointless, and can be dangerous when they fail. I had one fail on me while driving a customized GT5 conversion in San Francisco. I came to an intersection and turned right and the car zoomed straight ahead. Fortunately I didn't hit anything. We were able to take it apart and put it back together in the middle of the intersection and then carried on. You only need to have that happen once before you decide you don't like them! Full disclosure--Lori's car came with one and although I bought a fixed replacement I haven't changed it out yet. Hers has worked fine for years because we never remove the wheel. Mike Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 23, 2019, at 10:34, Steve <[1]steve at snclocks.com> wrote: > > Good morning Garth. Good question that. I've been thinking steering > wheels ever since, about a year ago, I replaced the wheel in my '69 XKE > with one that is a little smaller in diameter and a bit heavier - the > change in that car was amazing - from the flexible response of a tiller > on a boat (OK - one got used to it, but gads, there is a lot of flex in > the originals) to a crisp response. I was concerned it wouldn't look > right - but it is fine - and changes the way the car drives. > Significantly. For the better. Besides, a friend who I have guided > for 30 years on his XKE gave it to me! > > > So, then, gave some thought to our Daytona Coupe. It came with a > Mota-Lita leather-rimmed wheel. Right - what came on those cars > originally - either leather, or wood, with rivets. I've chosen to > replace the damaged leather-rimmed wheel with one of the riveted wheels > that match what came originally on a Cobra. Like the Cobra, what the > heck is a Coupe - a European exotic - no, or, well, likely an American > hot-rod - or, not really. I think this wheel will look appropriate - > given the use on the Cobra's and on a few of the Coupes. > > [1][2]https://www.moto-lita.co.uk/steering-wheels/ac-cobra-wood-rim-oem / > > > Which brings me to the Pantera. So, what is a Pantera? An American > hot rod - well, perhaps. Or an Italian supercar - well, perhaps. I > agree that a wheel like the one above would look totally out of place. > But, a Nardi wood-rim? They fit Ferrarrits and Lampos and Maesers and > the like. But, really, the interior does not really fit that style - > though I'd argue it could. No, the wheel I am considering is this one > - > [2][3]http://www.mrsteeringwheel.com/nardi-kallista-wood-leather-350mm- 505 > 5-35-3000/ It brings a touch of Italian flare without over powering the > otherwise black interior. The challenge I have is the Lecarra looks > like it would fit perfectly on a go-cart. OK, there are those that > could argue that a point and squirt as potent as a Pantera could be > considered a go-cart. It's got the first part down pat. But, I guess > I am looking for something that speaks to my interpretation of the car > - a European supercar with the best possible combination of suspension, > engine and looks. > > > And, well, I sort of know good and well that many of you will disagree > - heck, I thought the back window in the sugar scoop was a great idea > for keeping the engine clean and keeping folks hands out of the engine > compartment - but, I haven't heard of anyone else jumping on that > band-wagon. So, well, thank god each of us gets to play with our cars > as we think fit! > > > And, besides, Kelly says I can have it! What better logic? > > > Stephen > > > From: Garth Rodericks [[4]mailto:garth_rodericks at yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 9:52 AM > To: DeTomaso Mail List <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; > [6]steve at snclocks.com > Subject: Changing Steering Wheels > > > Hi Steve, > > > Why would you want to put a Nardi steering wheel in your Pantera? A > wood rimmed Nardi just looks out of place in a Pantera in my opinion. > The LeCarra wheel you have looks period correct and perfectly suited to > the Pantera's interior. > > > [3][7]https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pantera-D eto > maso-5332/i-ZTmSp7z/0/c5405c5e/M/5332%2005%2031%202015%2021-M.jpg > > > Just my 2-cents. Post a pic of the wheel you want to add. > > > Cheers! > > Garth > > References > > 1. [8]https://www.moto-lita.co.uk/steering-wheels/ac-cobra-wood-rim-oem/ > 2. [9]http://www.mrsteeringwheel.com/nardi-kallista-wood-leather-350mm-505 5-35-3000/ > 3. > [10]https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pantera-Det oma > so-5332/i-ZTmSp7z/0/c5405c5e/M/5332%2005%2031%202015%2021-M.jpg > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not > exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list > [11]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [12]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:steve at snclocks.com 2. https://www.moto-lita.co.uk/steering-wheels/ac-cobra-wood-rim-oem/ 3. http://www.mrsteeringwheel.com/nardi-kallista-wood-leather-350mm-505 4. mailto:garth_rodericks at yahoo.com 5. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 6. mailto:steve at snclocks.com 7. https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pantera-Deto 8. https://www.moto-lita.co.uk/steering-wheels/ac-cobra-wood-rim-oem/ 9. http://www.mrsteeringwheel.com/nardi-kallista-wood-leather-350mm-5055-35-3000/ 10. https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pantera-Detoma 11. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 12. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 27988 bytes Desc: not available URL: From demongusta at gmail.com Thu Jan 24 10:46:22 2019 From: demongusta at gmail.com (Jack Donahue) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 07:46:22 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Changing Steering Wheels In-Reply-To: <005301d4b3fa$b36da410$1a48ec30$@snclocks.com> References: <1065458986.511168.1548265913406.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1065458986.511168.1548265913406@mail.yahoo.com> <00bf01d4b34a$50e4a2e0$f2ade8a0$@snclocks.com> <005301d4b3fa$b36da410$1a48ec30$@snclocks.com> Message-ID: <02E89B54-A0D8-46C3-8F77-62157A6EAB5E@gmail.com> Well written - thank you for that > On Jan 24, 2019, at 7:37 AM, Steve wrote: > > Good morning Mike! > > > The whole steering wheel pcd thing is confusing. OK - pcd - pitch > circle diameter. Here is a simple table for some of the popular > wheels: > > > Maker > > Holes > > Pitch Circle Diam > > Nardi > > 6 > > 74 mm > > Momo > > 6 > > 70 mm > > Moto-Lita > > 9 > > 101.6 mm (4 inch) > > LeCarra > > 9 > > 101 (4 inch) > > > Before anyone points out the obvious, I am sure there are exceptions. > Take our Daytona Coupe - it uses the same screw mounting that the > original Cobra used - which is not evenly spaced. > > > It turns out that lots of adapters are available for going from 70 to > 74 mm pcd, or going the other way. And, wow, Nardi offers a specific > hub for the Pantera - their part number 4302.14.1512 - which also fits > a '69 to '72 Capri. Makes that part easier. Looking at quick > releases, many are drilled for either the 70 or the 74 pcd. This might > be easier than I thought, but, yes, as you point out, not cheap. But, > since when is price the issue with our cars??? > > > Honestly, every part of our Pantera is critical and needs to be in good > shape, properly installed and working properly. I looked up removable > steering wheel fails - forums suggest it comes down to operator error. > Which is why I do my best to do all of the work on our cars myself - I > don't want to rely on someone else to not make a mistake. It's also > why I am very careful on test drives - gads, what mistakes lurk > within??? > > > Why a removable wheel? Getting under the dash is a pain. And the > wheel on 5332 is more of a pain to remove than any of our other cars. > And, I suspect I will need some form of a spacer with the Nardi hub. > But, as mentioned before, every one of us gets to modify our cars to > fit our desires!!! > > > [cid:image002.jpg at 01D4B3B7.A4C8B0F0] > > > Stephen > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Drew [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:01 AM > To: Steve > Cc: Garth Rodericks ; DeTomaso Mail List > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Changing Steering Wheels > > > Steve, > > > $727 for a steering wheel???? > > > Nardi wheels use a unique bolt pattern (PCD) and its next to impossible > to find a hub for them. > > > What you want is a Momo wheel. The Prototipo is the factory wheel De > Tomaso used on the Euro GTS, GT5, GT5-S and is a classic 70s design > that is perfect for the car. If you want a more modern, flashy wheel, > Momo offers those too. > > > Pantera parts dealers offer fixed and removable hubs for Momo wheels. > Personally I would not waste time with a removable hub. Other than for > a morbidly obese owner who can't get in and out of the car otherwise > (and there are some of those), they are pretty pointless, and can be > dangerous when they fail. > > > I had one fail on me while driving a customized GT5 conversion in San > Francisco. I came to an intersection and turned right and the car > zoomed straight ahead. Fortunately I didn't hit anything. We were able > to take it apart and put it back together in the middle of the > intersection and then carried on. > > > You only need to have that happen once before you decide you don't like > them! > > > Full disclosure--Lori's car came with one and although I bought a fixed > replacement I haven't changed it out yet. Hers has worked fine for > years because we never remove the wheel. > > > Mike > > > Sent from my iPhone > > >> On Jan 23, 2019, at 10:34, Steve <[1]steve at snclocks.com> wrote: > >> > >> Good morning Garth. Good question that. I've been thinking > steering > >> wheels ever since, about a year ago, I replaced the wheel in my '69 > XKE > >> with one that is a little smaller in diameter and a bit heavier - > the > >> change in that car was amazing - from the flexible response of a > tiller > >> on a boat (OK - one got used to it, but gads, there is a lot of > flex in > >> the originals) to a crisp response. I was concerned it wouldn't > look > >> right - but it is fine - and changes the way the car drives. > >> Significantly. For the better. Besides, a friend who I have > guided > >> for 30 years on his XKE gave it to me! > >> > >> > >> So, then, gave some thought to our Daytona Coupe. It came with a > >> Mota-Lita leather-rimmed wheel. Right - what came on those cars > >> originally - either leather, or wood, with rivets. I've chosen to > >> replace the damaged leather-rimmed wheel with one of the riveted > wheels > >> that match what came originally on a Cobra. Like the Cobra, what > the > >> heck is a Coupe - a European exotic - no, or, well, likely an > American > >> hot-rod - or, not really. I think this wheel will look appropriate > - > >> given the use on the Cobra's and on a few of the Coupes. > >> > >> > [1][2]https://www.moto-lita.co.uk/steering-wheels/ac-cobra-wood-rim-oem > / > >> > >> > >> Which brings me to the Pantera. So, what is a Pantera? An > American > >> hot rod - well, perhaps. Or an Italian supercar - well, perhaps. > I > >> agree that a wheel like the one above would look totally out of > place. > >> But, a Nardi wood-rim? They fit Ferrarrits and Lampos and Maesers > and > >> the like. But, really, the interior does not really fit that style > - > >> though I'd argue it could. No, the wheel I am considering is this > one > >> - > >> > [2][3]http://www.mrsteeringwheel.com/nardi-kallista-wood-leather-350mm- > 505 > >> 5-35-3000/ It brings a touch of Italian flare without over powering > the > >> otherwise black interior. The challenge I have is the Lecarra > looks > >> like it would fit perfectly on a go-cart. OK, there are those that > >> could argue that a point and squirt as potent as a Pantera could be > >> considered a go-cart. It's got the first part down pat. But, I > guess > >> I am looking for something that speaks to my interpretation of the > car > >> - a European supercar with the best possible combination of > suspension, > >> engine and looks. > >> > >> > >> And, well, I sort of know good and well that many of you will > disagree > >> - heck, I thought the back window in the sugar scoop was a great > idea > >> for keeping the engine clean and keeping folks hands out of the > engine > >> compartment - but, I haven't heard of anyone else jumping on that > >> band-wagon. So, well, thank god each of us gets to play with our > cars > >> as we think fit! > >> > >> > >> And, besides, Kelly says I can have it! What better logic? > >> > >> > >> Stephen > >> > >> > >> From: Garth Rodericks [[4]mailto:garth_rodericks at yahoo.com] > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 9:52 AM > >> To: DeTomaso Mail List <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; > >> [6]steve at snclocks.com > >> Subject: Changing Steering Wheels > >> > >> > >> Hi Steve, > >> > >> > >> Why would you want to put a Nardi steering wheel in your Pantera? > A > >> wood rimmed Nardi just looks out of place in a Pantera in my > opinion. > >> The LeCarra wheel you have looks period correct and perfectly > suited to > >> the Pantera's interior. > >> > >> > >> > [3][7]https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pantera-D > eto > >> maso-5332/i-ZTmSp7z/0/c5405c5e/M/5332%2005%2031%202015%2021-M.jpg > >> > >> > >> Just my 2-cents. Post a pic of the wheel you want to add. > >> > >> > >> Cheers! > >> > >> Garth > >> > >> References > >> > >> 1. > [8]https://www.moto-lita.co.uk/steering-wheels/ac-cobra-wood-rim-oem/ > >> 2. > [9]http://www.mrsteeringwheel.com/nardi-kallista-wood-leather-350mm-505 > 5-35-3000/ > >> 3. > >> > [10]https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pantera-Det > oma > >> so-5332/i-ZTmSp7z/0/c5405c5e/M/5332%2005%2031%202015%2021-M.jpg > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> > >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not > >> exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list > >> [11]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > >> [12]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > >> > >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > >> > >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Well written - thank you for that On Jan 24, 2019, at 7:37 AM, Steve <[1]steve at snclocks.com> wrote: Good morning Mike! The whole steering wheel pcd thing is confusing. OK - pcd - pitch circle diameter. Here is a simple table for some of the popular wheels: Maker Holes Pitch Circle Diam Nardi 6 74 mm Momo 6 70 mm Moto-Lita 9 101.6 mm (4 inch) LeCarra 9 101 (4 inch) Before anyone points out the obvious, I am sure there are exceptions. Take our Daytona Coupe - it uses the same screw mounting that the original Cobra used - which is not evenly spaced. It turns out that lots of adapters are available for going from 70 to 74 mm pcd, or going the other way. And, wow, Nardi offers a specific hub for the Pantera - their part number 4302.14.1512 - which also fits a '69 to '72 Capri. Makes that part easier. Looking at quick releases, many are drilled for either the 70 or the 74 pcd. This might be easier than I thought, but, yes, as you point out, not cheap. But, since when is price the issue with our cars??? Honestly, every part of our Pantera is critical and needs to be in good shape, properly installed and working properly. I looked up removable steering wheel fails - forums suggest it comes down to operator error. Which is why I do my best to do all of the work on our cars myself - I don't want to rely on someone else to not make a mistake. It's also why I am very careful on test drives - gads, what mistakes lurk within??? Why a removable wheel? Getting under the dash is a pain. And the wheel on 5332 is more of a pain to remove than any of our other cars. And, I suspect I will need some form of a spacer with the Nardi hub. But, as mentioned before, every one of us gets to modify our cars to fit our desires!!! [[2]cid:image002.jpg at 01D4B3B7.A4C8B0F0] Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Mike Drew [[3]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:01 AM To: Steve <[4]steve at snclocks.com> Cc: Garth Rodericks <[5]garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>; DeTomaso Mail List <[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Changing Steering Wheels Steve, $727 for a steering wheel???? Nardi wheels use a unique bolt pattern (PCD) and its next to impossible to find a hub for them. What you want is a Momo wheel. The Prototipo is the factory wheel De Tomaso used on the Euro GTS, GT5, GT5-S and is a classic 70s design that is perfect for the car. If you want a more modern, flashy wheel, Momo offers those too. Pantera parts dealers offer fixed and removable hubs for Momo wheels. Personally I would not waste time with a removable hub. Other than for a morbidly obese owner who can't get in and out of the car otherwise (and there are some of those), they are pretty pointless, and can be dangerous when they fail. I had one fail on me while driving a customized GT5 conversion in San Francisco. I came to an intersection and turned right and the car zoomed straight ahead. Fortunately I didn't hit anything. We were able to take it apart and put it back together in the middle of the intersection and then carried on. You only need to have that happen once before you decide you don't like them! Full disclosure--Lori's car came with one and although I bought a fixed replacement I haven't changed it out yet. Hers has worked fine for years because we never remove the wheel. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Jan 23, 2019, at 10:34, Steve <[1][7]steve at snclocks.com> wrote: Good morning Garth. Good question that. I've been thinking steering wheels ever since, about a year ago, I replaced the wheel in my '69 XKE with one that is a little smaller in diameter and a bit heavier - the change in that car was amazing - from the flexible response of a tiller on a boat (OK - one got used to it, but gads, there is a lot of flex in the originals) to a crisp response. I was concerned it wouldn't look right - but it is fine - and changes the way the car drives. Significantly. For the better. Besides, a friend who I have guided for 30 years on his XKE gave it to me! So, then, gave some thought to our Daytona Coupe. It came with a Mota-Lita leather-rimmed wheel. Right - what came on those cars originally - either leather, or wood, with rivets. I've chosen to replace the damaged leather-rimmed wheel with one of the riveted wheels that match what came originally on a Cobra. Like the Cobra, what the heck is a Coupe - a European exotic - no, or, well, likely an American hot-rod - or, not really. I think this wheel will look appropriate - given the use on the Cobra's and on a few of the Coupes. [1][2][8]https://www.moto-lita.co.uk/steering-wheels/ac-cobra-wood-ri m-oem / Which brings me to the Pantera. So, what is a Pantera? An American hot rod - well, perhaps. Or an Italian supercar - well, perhaps. I agree that a wheel like the one above would look totally out of place. But, a Nardi wood-rim? They fit Ferrarrits and Lampos and Maesers and the like. But, really, the interior does not really fit that style - though I'd argue it could. No, the wheel I am considering is this one - [2][3][9]http://www.mrsteeringwheel.com/nardi-kallista-wood-leather-3 50mm- 505 5-35-3000/ It brings a touch of Italian flare without over powering the otherwise black interior. The challenge I have is the Lecarra looks like it would fit perfectly on a go-cart. OK, there are those that could argue that a point and squirt as potent as a Pantera could be considered a go-cart. It's got the first part down pat. But, I guess I am looking for something that speaks to my interpretation of the car - a European supercar with the best possible combination of suspension, engine and looks. And, well, I sort of know good and well that many of you will disagree - heck, I thought the back window in the sugar scoop was a great idea for keeping the engine clean and keeping folks hands out of the engine compartment - but, I haven't heard of anyone else jumping on that band-wagon. So, well, thank god each of us gets to play with our cars as we think fit! And, besides, Kelly says I can have it! What better logic? Stephen From: Garth Rodericks [[4][10]mailto:garth_rodericks at yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 9:52 AM To: DeTomaso Mail List <[5][11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; [6][12]steve at snclocks.com Subject: Changing Steering Wheels Hi Steve, Why would you want to put a Nardi steering wheel in your Pantera? A wood rimmed Nardi just looks out of place in a Pantera in my opinion. The LeCarra wheel you have looks period correct and perfectly suited to the Pantera's interior. [3][7][13]https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pan tera-D eto maso-5332/i-ZTmSp7z/0/c5405c5e/M/5332%2005%2031%202015%2021-M.jpg Just my 2-cents. Post a pic of the wheel you want to add. Cheers! Garth References 1. [8][14]https://www.moto-lita.co.uk/steering-wheels/ac-cobra-wood-rim- oem/ 2. [9][15]http://www.mrsteeringwheel.com/nardi-kallista-wood-leather-350 mm-505 5-35-3000/ 3. [10][16]https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pante ra-Det oma so-5332/i-ZTmSp7z/0/c5405c5e/M/5332%2005%2031%202015%2021-M.jpg _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [11][17]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [12][18]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. [19]mailto:steve at snclocks.com 2. [20]https://www.moto-lita.co.uk/steering-wheels/ac-cobra-wood-rim-oem/ 3. [21]http://www.mrsteeringwheel.com/nardi-kallista-wood-leather-350mm-50 5 4. [22]mailto:garth_rodericks at yahoo.com 5. 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Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 27988 bytes Desc: not available URL: From marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 24 13:07:43 2019 From: marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net (marshall smith) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 18:07:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Changing Steering Wheels References: <304741075.550551.1548353263327.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <304741075.550551.1548353263327@mail.yahoo.com> I have a used but very condition black leather wrapped Nardi with the hub that came off my car that I would sell. I went back to using my two spoke original wheel. Let me know. Marshall Smith -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 1/24/19, Jack Donahue wrote: Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Changing Steering Wheels To: "Steve" Cc: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" Date: Thursday, January 24, 2019, 7:46 AM ? Well written - thank you for that ? On Jan 24, 2019, at 7:37 AM, Steve <[1]steve at snclocks.com> wrote: ? ? Good morning Mike! ? ? The whole steering wheel pcd thing is confusing.? OK - pcd - pitch ? ? circle diameter.? Here is a simple table for some of the popular ? ? wheels: ? ? Maker ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Holes ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Pitch Circle Diam ? ? Nardi ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 6 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 74 mm ? ? Momo ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 6 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 70 mm ? ? Moto-Lita ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 9 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 101.6 mm (4 inch) ? ? LeCarra ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 9 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 101 (4 inch) ? ? Before anyone points out the obvious, I am sure there are exceptions. ? ? Take our Daytona Coupe - it uses the same screw mounting that the ? ? original Cobra used - which is not evenly spaced. ? ? It turns out that lots of adapters are available for going from 70 to ? ? 74 mm pcd, or going the other way.? And, wow, Nardi offers a specific ? ? hub for the Pantera - their part number 4302.14.1512 - which also ? fits ? ? a '69 to '72 Capri.? Makes that part easier.? Looking at quick ? ? releases, many are drilled for either the 70 or the 74 pcd.? This ? might ? ? be easier than I thought, but, yes, as you point out, not cheap. ? But, ? ? since when is price the issue with our cars??? ? ? Honestly, every part of our Pantera is critical and needs to be in ? good ? ? shape, properly installed and working properly.? I looked up ? removable ? ? steering wheel fails - forums suggest it comes down to operator ? error. ? ? Which is why I do my best to do all of the work on our cars myself - ? I ? ? don't want to rely on someone else to not make a mistake.? It's also ? ? why I am very careful on test drives - gads, what mistakes lurk ? ? within??? ? ? Why a removable wheel?? Getting under the dash is a pain.? And the ? ? wheel on 5332 is more of a pain to remove than any of our other cars. ? ? And, I suspect I will need some form of a spacer with the Nardi hub. ? ? But, as mentioned before, every one of us gets to modify our cars to ? ? fit our desires!!! ? ? [[2]cid:image002.jpg at 01D4B3B7.A4C8B0F0] ? ? Stephen ? ? -----Original Message----- ? ? From: Mike Drew [[3]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com] ? ? Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:01 AM ? ? To: Steve <[4]steve at snclocks.com> ? ? Cc: Garth Rodericks <[5]garth_rodericks at yahoo.com>; DeTomaso Mail ? List ? ? <[6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> ? ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Changing Steering Wheels ? ? Steve, ? ? $727 for a steering wheel???? ? ? Nardi wheels use a unique bolt pattern (PCD) and its next to ? impossible ? ? to find a hub for them. ? ? What you want is a Momo wheel. The Prototipo is the factory wheel De ? ? Tomaso used on the Euro GTS, GT5, GT5-S and is a classic 70s design ? ? that is perfect for the car. If you want a more modern, flashy wheel, ? ? Momo offers those too. ? ? Pantera parts dealers offer fixed and removable hubs for Momo wheels. ? ? Personally I would not waste time with a removable hub. Other than ? for ? ? a morbidly obese owner who can't get in and out of the car otherwise ? ? (and there are some of those), they are pretty pointless, and can be ? ? dangerous when they fail. ? ? I had one fail on me while driving a customized GT5 conversion in San ? ? Francisco. I came to an intersection and turned right and the car ? ? zoomed straight ahead. Fortunately I didn't hit anything. We were ? able ? ? to take it apart and put it back together in the middle of the ? ? intersection and then carried on. ? ? You only need to have that happen once before you decide you don't ? like ? ? them! ? ? Full disclosure--Lori's car came with one and although I bought a ? fixed ? ? replacement I haven't changed it out yet. Hers has worked fine for ? ? years because we never remove the wheel. ? ? Mike ? ? Sent from my iPhone ? ? On Jan 23, 2019, at 10:34, Steve <[1][7]steve at snclocks.com> wrote: ? ? ? Good morning Garth.? Good question that.? I've been thinking ? ? steering ? ? ? wheels ever since, about a year ago, I replaced the wheel in my '69 ? ? XKE ? ? ? with one that is a little smaller in diameter and a bit heavier - ? ? the ? ? ? change in that car was amazing - from the flexible response of a ? ? tiller ? ? ? on a boat (OK - one got used to it, but gads, there is a lot of ? ? flex in ? ? ? the originals) to a crisp response.? I was concerned it wouldn't ? ? look ? ? ? right - but it is fine - and changes the way the car drives. ? ? ? Significantly.? For the better.? Besides, a friend who I have ? ? guided ? ? ? for 30 years on his XKE gave it to me! ? ? ? So, then, gave some thought to our Daytona Coupe.? It came with a ? ? ? Mota-Lita leather-rimmed wheel.? Right - what came on those cars ? ? ? originally - either leather, or wood, with rivets.? I've chosen to ? ? ? replace the damaged leather-rimmed wheel with one of the riveted ? ? wheels ? ? ? that match what came originally on a Cobra.? Like the Cobra, what ? ? the ? ? ? heck is a Coupe - a European exotic - no, or, well, likely an ? ? American ? ? ? hot-rod - or, not really.? I think this wheel will look appropriate ? ? - ? ? ? given the use on the Cobra's and on a few of the Coupes. ? ? [1][2][8]https://www.moto-lita.co.uk/steering-wheels/ac-cobra-wood-ri ? m-oem ? ? / ? ? ? Which brings me to the Pantera.? So, what is a Pantera?? An ? ? American ? ? ? hot rod - well, perhaps.? Or an Italian supercar - well, perhaps. ? ? I ? ? ? agree that a wheel like the one above would look totally out of ? ? place. ? ? ? But, a Nardi wood-rim?? They fit Ferrarrits and Lampos? and Maesers ? ? and ? ? ? the like.? But, really, the interior does not really fit that style ? ? - ? ? ? though I'd argue it could.? No, the wheel I am considering is this ? ? one ? ? ? - ? ? [2][3][9]http://www.mrsteeringwheel.com/nardi-kallista-wood-leather-3 ? 50mm- ? ? 505 ? ? ? 5-35-3000/ It brings a touch of Italian flare without over powering ? ? the ? ? ? otherwise black interior.? The challenge I have is the Lecarra ? ? looks ? ? ? like it would fit perfectly on a go-cart.? OK, there are those that ? ? ? could argue that a point and squirt as potent as a Pantera could be ? ? ? considered a go-cart.? It's got the first part down pat.? But, I ? ? guess ? ? ? I am looking for something that speaks to my interpretation of the ? ? car ? ? ? - a European supercar with the best possible combination of ? ? suspension, ? ? ? engine and looks. ? ? ? And, well, I sort of? know good and well that many of you will ? ? disagree ? ? ? - heck, I thought the back window in the sugar scoop was a great ? ? idea ? ? ? for keeping the engine clean and keeping folks hands out of the ? ? engine ? ? ? compartment - but, I haven't heard of anyone else jumping on that ? ? ? band-wagon.? So, well, thank god each of us gets to play with our ? ? cars ? ? ? as we think fit! ? ? ? And, besides, Kelly says I can have it!? What better logic? ? ? ? Stephen ? ? ? From: Garth Rodericks [[4][10]mailto:garth_rodericks at yahoo.com] ? ? ? Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 9:52 AM ? ? ? To: DeTomaso Mail List <[5][11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; ? ? ? [6][12]steve at snclocks.com ? ? ? Subject: Changing Steering Wheels ? ? ? Hi Steve, ? ? ? Why would you want to put a Nardi steering wheel in your Pantera? ? ? A ? ? ? wood rimmed Nardi just looks out of place in a Pantera in my ? ? opinion. ? ? ? The LeCarra wheel you have looks period correct and perfectly ? ? suited to ? ? ? the Pantera's interior. ? ? [3][7][13]https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pan ? tera-D ? ? eto ? ? ? maso-5332/i-ZTmSp7z/0/c5405c5e/M/5332%2005%2031%202015%2021-M.jpg ? ? ? Just my 2-cents.? Post a pic of the wheel you want to add. ? ? ? Cheers! ? ? ? Garth ? ? References ? ? ? 1. ? ? [8][14]https://www.moto-lita.co.uk/steering-wheels/ac-cobra-wood-rim- ? oem/ ? ? ? 2. ? ? [9][15]http://www.mrsteeringwheel.com/nardi-kallista-wood-leather-350 ? mm-505 ? ? 5-35-3000/ ? ? ? 3. ? ? [10][16]https://photos.smugmug.com/TheRestofourWorld/Autos/1973-Pante ? ra-Det ? ? oma ? ? so-5332/i-ZTmSp7z/0/c5405c5e/M/5332%2005%2031%202015%2021-M.jpg ? ? _______________________________________________ ? ? Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not ? ? exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list ? ? [11][17]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com ? ? [12][18]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso ? ? To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, ? ? etc.) ? ? use the links above. ? ? Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward ? ? any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of ? the ? ? list. 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Eat dessert first, life is uncertain. References 1. mailto:sobill at aol.com 2. mailto:sobill1133 at gmail.com From mdmcdougal at gmail.com Sat Jan 26 23:04:31 2019 From: mdmcdougal at gmail.com (Mike McDougal) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2019 22:04:31 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] Throttle cable Message-ID: Looking for recommendations for a throttle cable. I have the original cable stretched to the max. Needs to be a little longer. To fit a holley type carb on a blue thunder intake. Thanks. Mike -------------- next part -------------- Looking for recommendations for a throttle cable.A I have the original cable stretched to the max. Needs to be a little longer. To fit a holley type carb on a blue thunder intake. Thanks.A MikeA From MikeLDrew at aol.com Sat Jan 26 23:35:28 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2019 20:35:28 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Throttle cable In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike, All the vendors sell a variant of the same cable, with an integral return spring. Take your pick! For example, here is Wilkinson?s offering: https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/08311b The other are all probably in the same ballpark. Your intake is only marginally taller than the stock intake so a standard cable can easily accommodate it. What is crucial is that the stock cable bracket on the front of the intake needs to be changed to space the cable a bit forward OR an adapter needs to be affixed to the carb to move the pickup point rearward. Otherwise you won?t be able to get enough cable movement to open the secondaries if you have mechanical secondaries. Dennis Quella sells a very nice billet carb linkage adapter bracket. Charlie McCall bought one to fix a problem he didn?t have and it found its way to my house. If you still have a stock cable mounting bracket and stock carb linkage, I?m sure you could work a deal with him and I could send it to you. Mike Sent from my iPad > On Jan 26, 2019, at 20:04, Mike McDougal wrote: > > Looking for recommendations for a throttle cable.A I have the original > cable stretched to the max. Needs to be a little longer. To fit a > holley type carb on a blue thunder intake. > Thanks.A MikeA > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Mike, All the vendors sell a variant of the same cable, with an integral return spring. Take your pick! For example, here is Wilkinson's offering: [1]https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/08311b The other are all probably in the same ballpark. Your intake is only marginally taller than the stock intake so a standard cable can easily accommodate it. What is crucial is that the stock cable bracket on the front of the intake needs to be changed to space the cable a bit forward OR an adapter needs to be affixed to the carb to move the pickup point rearward. Otherwise you won't be able to get enough cable movement to open the secondaries if you have mechanical secondaries. Dennis Quella sells a very nice billet carb linkage adapter bracket. Charlie McCall bought one to fix a problem he didn't have and it found its way to my house. If you still have a stock cable mounting bracket and stock carb linkage, I'm sure you could work a deal with him and I could send it to you. Mike Sent from my iPad On Jan 26, 2019, at 20:04, Mike McDougal <[2]mdmcdougal at gmail.com> wrote: Looking for recommendations for a throttle cable.A I have the original cable stretched to the max. Needs to be a little longer. To fit a holley type carb on a blue thunder intake. Thanks.A MikeA _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [3]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/08311b 2. mailto:mdmcdougal at gmail.com 3. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From MikeLDrew at aol.com Sun Jan 27 00:22:09 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2019 21:22:09 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Throttle cable In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike, Here is the Dennis Quella bracket (likely made by IPSCO) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image1.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 140263 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Front of car would be to the left. It moves the pickup point of the cable aft about 3/4 of an inch, which is more critical than it sounds.... Mike Sent from my iPad > On Jan 26, 2019, at 20:35, Mike Drew via DeTomaso wrote: > > Mike, > > All the vendors sell a variant of the same cable, with an integral > return spring. Take your pick! > > For example, here is Wilkinson's offering: > > [1]https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/08311b > > The other are all probably in the same ballpark. > > Your intake is only marginally taller than the stock intake so a > standard cable can easily accommodate it. What is crucial is that the > stock cable bracket on the front of the intake needs to be changed to > space the cable a bit forward OR an adapter needs to be affixed to the > carb to move the pickup point rearward. Otherwise you won't be able to > get enough cable movement to open the secondaries if you have > mechanical secondaries. > > Dennis Quella sells a very nice billet carb linkage adapter bracket. > Charlie McCall bought one to fix a problem he didn't have and it found > its way to my house. If you still have a stock cable mounting bracket > and stock carb linkage, I'm sure you could work a deal with him and I > could send it to you. > > Mike > > Sent from my iPad > On Jan 26, 2019, at 20:04, Mike McDougal <[2]mdmcdougal at gmail.com> > wrote: > > Looking for recommendations for a throttle cable.A I have the > original > cable stretched to the max. Needs to be a little longer. To fit a > holley type carb on a blue thunder intake. > Thanks.A MikeA > > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [3]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages. > > References > > 1. https://panterapartsusa.myshopify.com/products/08311b > 2. mailto:mdmcdougal at gmail.com > 3. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From larrys at panteraparts.com Sun Jan 27 14:01:50 2019 From: larrys at panteraparts.com (Larry Stock) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 11:01:50 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Throttle cable In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Do you have the Throttle cable adaptor bracket that goes on the front bolt of the intake manifold? It moves the cable forward about 5/8 of an inch to match the centerline of the 4 square Holly carb pattern from The original equipment spread bore Autolight Carburetor. The original looks like a Tee that the throttle cable sheathing is harnessed in a slot and the Holly one looks more like an offset L bracket. If you don?t have the Holly bracket you use up and extra 5/8 of an inch of cable and probably will not be getting full throttle with the butterflies of the Carburetor. We sell these for $35.00 Larry Stock On 1/26/19, 8:04 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike McDougal" wrote: > Looking for recommendations for a throttle cable.A I have the original > cable stretched to the max. Needs to be a little longer. To fit a > holley type carb on a blue thunder intake. > Thanks.A MikeA >_______________________________________________ > > >Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > >To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use >the links above. > >Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >approve the archiving of list messages. From MikeLDrew at aol.com Sun Jan 27 14:07:41 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 11:07:41 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Throttle cable In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6EA9DF0F-EBB2-41FF-A3C5-C580B099CEFF@aol.com> Mike, Yup. Larry?s option is what Lori and I have on our cars. Moving the cable housing forward with his bracket, or moving the carb pickup point rearwards with the carb bracket I pictured, effectively does the same thing. Moving the cable forward increases the angle the cable is forced to bend to go down into the car, so perhaps it?s better to use the bracket mounted on the carb. It?s twice as expensive though, and I have no personal experience with it. If you have a vac secondary carb, it?s possible you can get away with everything being stock?I don?t know. For sure something needs to be altered if you have mechanical secondaries though. Mike Sent from my iPad > On Jan 27, 2019, at 11:01, Larry Stock wrote: > > Do you have the Throttle cable adaptor bracket that goes on the front bolt > of the intake manifold? It moves the cable forward about 5/8 of an inch to > match the centerline of the 4 square Holly carb pattern from The original > equipment spread bore Autolight Carburetor. The original looks like a Tee > that the throttle cable sheathing is harnessed in a slot and the Holly one > looks more like an offset L bracket. If you don?t have the Holly bracket > you use up and extra 5/8 of an inch of cable and probably will not be > getting full throttle with the butterflies of the Carburetor. We sell > these for $35.00 > Larry Stock > > On 1/26/19, 8:04 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike McDougal" > mdmcdougal at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Looking for recommendations for a throttle cable.A I have the original >> cable stretched to the max. Needs to be a little longer. To fit a >> holley type carb on a blue thunder intake. >> Thanks.A MikeA >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use >> the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >> approve the archiving of list messages. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From larrys at panteraparts.com Sun Jan 27 16:31:12 2019 From: larrys at panteraparts.com (Larry Stock) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 13:31:12 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Throttle cable In-Reply-To: <62623ECF-CA07-470E-9F5E-2C82406C8E26@icloud.com> References: <6EA9DF0F-EBB2-41FF-A3C5-C580B099CEFF@aol.com> <62623ECF-CA07-470E-9F5E-2C82406C8E26@icloud.com> Message-ID: The stock throttle cable does pull the throttle linkage open. The Jacketed Steel throttle cables don?t really stretch. They can wear, fatigue and break, but they don?t stretch. Especially if you rotate that original Tee bracket forwards to move that cable forward to allow for throttle cable pull on the Holly Carburetor linkage. That carb bracket Mike showed helps to get the throttle linkage away from the intake manifold base so it doesn?t interfere and get stuck open like mine did once doing an Auto Cross, but it doesn?t help so much with the angle arc pull of the carburetor butterflies. Larry Stock On 1/27/19, 1:08 PM, "Paul Rimov" wrote: > I bought a Lokar universal 10 foot throttle cable and rerouted it around >and over the bell housing so it was pulling the throttle linkage rather >than pushing it. Worked fantastically better than the factory set up. >Much much much better feedback and feel. > >> On Jan 27, 2019, at 11:07 AM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso >> wrote: >> >> Mike, >> >> Yup. Larry?s option is what Lori and I have on our cars. Moving the >>cable housing forward with his bracket, or moving the carb pickup point >>rearwards with the carb bracket I pictured, effectively does the same >>thing. Moving the cable forward increases the angle the cable is forced >>to bend to go down into the car, so perhaps it?s better to use the >>bracket mounted on the carb. It?s twice as expensive though, and I have >>no personal experience with it. >> >> If you have a vac secondary carb, it?s possible you can get away with >>everything being stock?I don?t know. For sure something needs to be >>altered if you have mechanical secondaries though. >> >> Mike >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Jan 27, 2019, at 11:01, Larry Stock wrote: >>> >>> Do you have the Throttle cable adaptor bracket that goes on the front >>>bolt >>> of the intake manifold? It moves the cable forward about 5/8 of an >>>inch to >>> match the centerline of the 4 square Holly carb pattern from The >>>original >>> equipment spread bore Autolight Carburetor. The original looks like a >>>Tee >>> that the throttle cable sheathing is harnessed in a slot and the Holly >>>one >>> looks more like an offset L bracket. If you don?t have the Holly >>>bracket >>> you use up and extra 5/8 of an inch of cable and probably will not be >>> getting full throttle with the butterflies of the Carburetor. We sell >>> these for $35.00 >>> Larry Stock >>> >>> On 1/26/19, 8:04 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike McDougal" >>> >> mdmcdougal at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Looking for recommendations for a throttle cable.A I have the >>>>original >>>> cable stretched to the max. Needs to be a little longer. To fit a >>>> holley type carb on a blue thunder intake. >>>> Thanks.A MikeA >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >>>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>>> DeTomaso mailing list >>>> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >>>> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>>> >>>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >>>>use >>>> the links above. >>>> >>>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >>>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >>>>list. >>>> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >>>> approve the archiving of list messages. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>> DeTomaso mailing list >>> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >>> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >>>use the links above. >>> >>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >>>message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >>>list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive >>>or approve the archiving of list messages. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >>use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >>message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >>They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >>approve the archiving of list messages. > From mbefthomas at comcast.net Sun Jan 27 16:37:50 2019 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike & Elizabeth Thomas) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 13:37:50 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] QuickJack Portable Car Lift - $999 at Costco Message-ID: <04de01d4b688$8e258ca0$aa70a5e0$@comcast.net> Anyone with experience with the QuckJack portable lift? https://www.quickjack.com/ Given that the typical Pantera jack points, at least to get the whole car off the ground, don't run along the side rails, not sure if it would work as well. My jack points are the front corners of the frame where the jack hole is, but I use the center of the three motor mount bolts as the rear jack stand location. I suppose you could angle this one in towards the center of the car to do that, but not sure if that would be safe or stable. Thoughts? I don't have room for a full car lift or two post portable. Costco has these on sale now for $999 for a set. Thanks Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest 206-795-3302 Yellow '74 #6328 www.panterasnorthwest.com -------------- next part -------------- Anyone with experience with the QuckJack portable lift? [1]https://www.quickjack.com/ Given that the typical Pantera jack points, at least to get the whole car off the ground, don't run along the side rails, not sure if it would work as well. My jack points are the front corners of the frame where the jack hole is, but I use the center of the three motor mount bolts as the rear jack stand location. I suppose you could angle this one in towards the center of the car to do that, but not sure if that would be safe or stable. Thoughts? I don't have room for a full car lift or two post portable. Costco has these on sale now for $999 for a set. Thanks Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest 206-795-3302 Yellow '74 #6328 [2]www.panterasnorthwest.com References 1. https://www.quickjack.com/ 2. http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/ From mbefthomas at comcast.net Sun Jan 27 16:37:50 2019 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike & Elizabeth Thomas) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 13:37:50 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] QuickJack Portable Car Lift - $999 at Costco Message-ID: <04de01d4b688$8e258ca0$aa70a5e0$@comcast.net> Anyone with experience with the QuckJack portable lift? https://www.quickjack.com/ Given that the typical Pantera jack points, at least to get the whole car off the ground, don't run along the side rails, not sure if it would work as well. My jack points are the front corners of the frame where the jack hole is, but I use the center of the three motor mount bolts as the rear jack stand location. I suppose you could angle this one in towards the center of the car to do that, but not sure if that would be safe or stable. Thoughts? I don't have room for a full car lift or two post portable. Costco has these on sale now for $999 for a set. Thanks Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest 206-795-3302 Yellow '74 #6328 www.panterasnorthwest.com -------------- next part -------------- Anyone with experience with the QuckJack portable lift? [1]https://www.quickjack.com/ Given that the typical Pantera jack points, at least to get the whole car off the ground, don't run along the side rails, not sure if it would work as well. My jack points are the front corners of the frame where the jack hole is, but I use the center of the three motor mount bolts as the rear jack stand location. I suppose you could angle this one in towards the center of the car to do that, but not sure if that would be safe or stable. Thoughts? I don't have room for a full car lift or two post portable. Costco has these on sale now for $999 for a set. Thanks Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest 206-795-3302 Yellow '74 #6328 [2]www.panterasnorthwest.com References 1. https://www.quickjack.com/ 2. http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/ From mbefthomas at comcast.net Sun Jan 27 16:53:51 2019 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike & Elizabeth Thomas) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 13:53:51 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] QuickJack Portable Car Lift - $999 at Costco - Follow Up Message-ID: <050101d4b68a$cd243030$676c9090$@comcast.net> I checked the specs on the SLX model, and with a max spread of 60", it would reach from the front jack point to the center of the motor mount. Alternatively, I suppose you could put it down the sides of the car using the front and center jack points, and have a single jack stand under the center of the rear frame rail as a stabilizer, since the side rear jack point is still pretty far forward and not far aft of the CG. $999 at Costco seems a heck of a deal when QuickJack want's $1365 for it. Mike Thomas -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso On Behalf Of Mike & Elizabeth Thomas Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 1:38 PM To: 'Detomaso Email List' ; DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] QuickJack Portable Car Lift - $999 at Costco Anyone with experience with the QuckJack portable lift? https://www.quickjack.com/ Given that the typical Pantera jack points, at least to get the whole car off the ground, don't run along the side rails, not sure if it would work as well. My jack points are the front corners of the frame where the jack hole is, but I use the center of the three motor mount bolts as the rear jack stand location. I suppose you could angle this one in towards the center of the car to do that, but not sure if that would be safe or stable. Thoughts? I don't have room for a full car lift or two post portable. Costco has these on sale now for $999 for a set. Thanks Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest 206-795-3302 Yellow '74 #6328 www.panterasnorthwest.com From mbefthomas at comcast.net Sun Jan 27 16:53:51 2019 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike & Elizabeth Thomas) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 13:53:51 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] QuickJack Portable Car Lift - $999 at Costco - Follow Up Message-ID: <050101d4b68a$cd243030$676c9090$@comcast.net> I checked the specs on the SLX model, and with a max spread of 60", it would reach from the front jack point to the center of the motor mount. Alternatively, I suppose you could put it down the sides of the car using the front and center jack points, and have a single jack stand under the center of the rear frame rail as a stabilizer, since the side rear jack point is still pretty far forward and not far aft of the CG. $999 at Costco seems a heck of a deal when QuickJack want's $1365 for it. Mike Thomas -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso On Behalf Of Mike & Elizabeth Thomas Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 1:38 PM To: 'Detomaso Email List' ; DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] QuickJack Portable Car Lift - $999 at Costco Anyone with experience with the QuckJack portable lift? https://www.quickjack.com/ Given that the typical Pantera jack points, at least to get the whole car off the ground, don't run along the side rails, not sure if it would work as well. My jack points are the front corners of the frame where the jack hole is, but I use the center of the three motor mount bolts as the rear jack stand location. I suppose you could angle this one in towards the center of the car to do that, but not sure if that would be safe or stable. Thoughts? I don't have room for a full car lift or two post portable. Costco has these on sale now for $999 for a set. Thanks Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest 206-795-3302 Yellow '74 #6328 www.panterasnorthwest.com From redcatman74 at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 17:28:15 2019 From: redcatman74 at gmail.com (Dick Koch) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 17:28:15 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] QuickJack Portable Car Lift - $999 at Costco In-Reply-To: <04de01d4b688$8e258ca0$aa70a5e0$@comcast.net> References: <04de01d4b688$8e258ca0$aa70a5e0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Mike, this may be more than you want but I would suggest you consider a scissors lift. In looking at them, I found what I think is one of the best - the Titan 6600. I found it available online for $1,499 + $285 shipping. Take a look: https://youtu.be/cGdiGixzC1w I was going to use it in my garage, but a friend said I could use his new private shop he is outfitting to work on his corral of cars, so I had it delivered there. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2652647691441880&id=100000900252005 This lift at the price I paid for it is far superior to the others I considered. Dick Koch - Atlanta On Sun, Jan 27, 2019, 4:38 PM Mike & Elizabeth Thomas < mbefthomas at comcast.net wrote: > Anyone with experience with the QuckJack portable lift? > > > [1]https://www.quickjack.com/ > > > Given that the typical Pantera jack points, at least to get the whole > car off the ground, don't run along the side rails, not sure if it > would work as well. My jack points are the front corners of the frame > where the jack hole is, but I use the center of the three motor mount > bolts as the rear jack stand location. I suppose you could angle this > one in towards the center of the car to do that, but not sure if that > would be safe or stable. > > > Thoughts? I don't have room for a full car lift or two post portable. > Costco has these on sale now for $999 for a set. > > > Thanks > > Mike Thomas > > Pres., Panteras Northwest > > 206-795-3302 > > Yellow '74 #6328 > > [2]www.panterasnorthwest.com > > References > > 1. https://www.quickjack.com/ > 2. http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/ > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Mike, this may be more than you want but I would suggest you consider a scissors lift. In looking at them, I found what I think is one of the best - the Titan 6600. I found it available online forA $1,499A +A $285A shipping.A Take a look: [1]https://youtu.be/cGdiGixzC1w I was going to use it in my garage, but a friend said I could use his new private shop he is outfitting to work on his corral of cars, so I had it delivered there.A [2]https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2652647691441880&id=1000 00900252005 This lift at the price I paid for it is far superior to the others I considered. Dick Koch - Atlanta On Sun, Jan 27, 2019, 4:38 PM Mike & Elizabeth Thomas <[3]mbefthomas at comcast.net wrote: A A Anyone with experience with the QuckJack portable lift? A A [1][4]https://www.quickjack.com/ A A Given that the typical Pantera jack points, at least to get the whole A A car off the ground, don't run along the side rails, not sure if it A A would work as well.A My jack points are the front corners of the frame A A where the jack hole is, but I use the center of the three motor mount A A bolts as the rear jack stand location.A I suppose you could angle this A A one in towards the center of the car to do that, but not sure if that A A would be safe or stable. A A Thoughts?A I don't have room for a full car lift or two post portable. A A Costco has these on sale now for $999 for a set. A A Thanks A A Mike Thomas A A Pres., Panteras Northwest A A 206-795-3302 A A Yellow '74 #6328 A A [2][5]www.panterasnorthwest.com References A A 1. [6]https://www.quickjack.com/ A A 2. [7]http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/ _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [8]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [9]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. https://youtu.be/cGdiGixzC1w 2. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2652647691441880&id=100000900252005 3. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net 4. https://www.quickjack.com/ 5. http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/ 6. https://www.quickjack.com/ 7. http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/ 8. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 9. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From redcatman74 at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 17:28:15 2019 From: redcatman74 at gmail.com (Dick Koch) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 17:28:15 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] QuickJack Portable Car Lift - $999 at Costco In-Reply-To: <04de01d4b688$8e258ca0$aa70a5e0$@comcast.net> References: <04de01d4b688$8e258ca0$aa70a5e0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Mike, this may be more than you want but I would suggest you consider a scissors lift. In looking at them, I found what I think is one of the best - the Titan 6600. I found it available online for $1,499 + $285 shipping. Take a look: https://youtu.be/cGdiGixzC1w I was going to use it in my garage, but a friend said I could use his new private shop he is outfitting to work on his corral of cars, so I had it delivered there. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2652647691441880&id=100000900252005 This lift at the price I paid for it is far superior to the others I considered. Dick Koch - Atlanta On Sun, Jan 27, 2019, 4:38 PM Mike & Elizabeth Thomas < mbefthomas at comcast.net wrote: > Anyone with experience with the QuckJack portable lift? > > > [1]https://www.quickjack.com/ > > > Given that the typical Pantera jack points, at least to get the whole > car off the ground, don't run along the side rails, not sure if it > would work as well. My jack points are the front corners of the frame > where the jack hole is, but I use the center of the three motor mount > bolts as the rear jack stand location. I suppose you could angle this > one in towards the center of the car to do that, but not sure if that > would be safe or stable. > > > Thoughts? I don't have room for a full car lift or two post portable. > Costco has these on sale now for $999 for a set. > > > Thanks > > Mike Thomas > > Pres., Panteras Northwest > > 206-795-3302 > > Yellow '74 #6328 > > [2]www.panterasnorthwest.com > > References > > 1. https://www.quickjack.com/ > 2. http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/ > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Mike, this may be more than you want but I would suggest you consider a scissors lift. In looking at them, I found what I think is one of the best - the Titan 6600. I found it available online forA $1,499A +A $285A shipping.A Take a look: [1]https://youtu.be/cGdiGixzC1w I was going to use it in my garage, but a friend said I could use his new private shop he is outfitting to work on his corral of cars, so I had it delivered there.A [2]https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2652647691441880&id=1000 00900252005 This lift at the price I paid for it is far superior to the others I considered. Dick Koch - Atlanta On Sun, Jan 27, 2019, 4:38 PM Mike & Elizabeth Thomas <[3]mbefthomas at comcast.net wrote: A A Anyone with experience with the QuckJack portable lift? A A [1][4]https://www.quickjack.com/ A A Given that the typical Pantera jack points, at least to get the whole A A car off the ground, don't run along the side rails, not sure if it A A would work as well.A My jack points are the front corners of the frame A A where the jack hole is, but I use the center of the three motor mount A A bolts as the rear jack stand location.A I suppose you could angle this A A one in towards the center of the car to do that, but not sure if that A A would be safe or stable. A A Thoughts?A I don't have room for a full car lift or two post portable. A A Costco has these on sale now for $999 for a set. A A Thanks A A Mike Thomas A A Pres., Panteras Northwest A A 206-795-3302 A A Yellow '74 #6328 A A [2][5]www.panterasnorthwest.com References A A 1. [6]https://www.quickjack.com/ A A 2. [7]http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/ _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [8]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [9]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. https://youtu.be/cGdiGixzC1w 2. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2652647691441880&id=100000900252005 3. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net 4. https://www.quickjack.com/ 5. http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/ 6. https://www.quickjack.com/ 7. http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/ 8. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 9. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From mbefthomas at comcast.net Sun Jan 27 17:40:58 2019 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike & Elizabeth Thomas) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 14:40:58 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] QuickJack Portable Car Lift - $999 at Costco In-Reply-To: References: <04de01d4b688$8e258ca0$aa70a5e0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <053b01d4b691$5fec45a0$1fc4d0e0$@comcast.net> Thanks Dick. My only question would be what?s the clearance? Not sure it would fit under the Pantera without using some 2x10? rails or other to drive up on. Also, not sure how much access there would be to the front of the engine and coolant pipes etc. What has your experience been so far? - Mike From: Dick Koch Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 2:28 PM To: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas Cc: Detomaso Email List ; detomaso Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] QuickJack Portable Car Lift - $999 at Costco Mike, this may be more than you want but I would suggest you consider a scissors lift. In looking at them, I found what I think is one of the best - the Titan 6600. I found it available online for $1,499 + $285 shipping. Take a look: https://youtu.be/cGdiGixzC1w I was going to use it in my garage, but a friend said I could use his new private shop he is outfitting to work on his corral of cars, so I had it delivered there. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2652647691441880 &id=100000900252005 This lift at the price I paid for it is far superior to the others I considered. Dick Koch - Atlanta On Sun, Jan 27, 2019, 4:38 PM Mike & Elizabeth Thomas wrote: Anyone with experience with the QuckJack portable lift? [1]https://www.quickjack.com/ Given that the typical Pantera jack points, at least to get the whole car off the ground, don't run along the side rails, not sure if it would work as well. My jack points are the front corners of the frame where the jack hole is, but I use the center of the three motor mount bolts as the rear jack stand location. I suppose you could angle this one in towards the center of the car to do that, but not sure if that would be safe or stable. Thoughts? I don't have room for a full car lift or two post portable. Costco has these on sale now for $999 for a set. Thanks Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest 206-795-3302 Yellow '74 #6328 [2]www.panterasnorthwest.com References 1. https://www.quickjack.com/ 2. http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/ _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Thanks Dick. My only question would be what's the clearance? Not sure it would fit under the Pantera without using some 2x10" rails or other to drive up on. Also, not sure how much access there would be to the front of the engine and coolant pipes etc. What has your experience been so far? - Mike From: Dick Koch Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 2:28 PM To: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas Cc: Detomaso Email List ; detomaso Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] QuickJack Portable Car Lift - $999 at Costco Mike, this may be more than you want but I would suggest you consider a scissors lift. In looking at them, I found what I think is one of the best - the Titan 6600. I found it available online for $1,499 + $285 shipping. Take a look: [1]https://youtu.be/cGdiGixzC1w I was going to use it in my garage, but a friend said I could use his new private shop he is outfitting to work on his corral of cars, so I had it delivered there. [2]https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2652647691441880&id=1000 00900252005 This lift at the price I paid for it is far superior to the others I considered. Dick Koch - Atlanta On Sun, Jan 27, 2019, 4:38 PM Mike & Elizabeth Thomas <[3]mbefthomas at comcast.net wrote: Anyone with experience with the QuckJack portable lift? [1][4]https://www.quickjack.com/ Given that the typical Pantera jack points, at least to get the whole car off the ground, don't run along the side rails, not sure if it would work as well. My jack points are the front corners of the frame where the jack hole is, but I use the center of the three motor mount bolts as the rear jack stand location. I suppose you could angle this one in towards the center of the car to do that, but not sure if that would be safe or stable. Thoughts? I don't have room for a full car lift or two post portable. Costco has these on sale now for $999 for a set. Thanks Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest 206-795-3302 Yellow '74 #6328 [2][5]www.panterasnorthwest.com References 1. [6]https://www.quickjack.com/ 2. [7]http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/ _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [8]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [9]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. https://youtu.be/cGdiGixzC1w 2. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2652647691441880&id=100000900252005 3. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net 4. https://www.quickjack.com/ 5. http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/ 6. https://www.quickjack.com/ 7. http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/ 8. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 9. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From mbefthomas at comcast.net Sun Jan 27 17:40:58 2019 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike & Elizabeth Thomas) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 14:40:58 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] QuickJack Portable Car Lift - $999 at Costco In-Reply-To: References: <04de01d4b688$8e258ca0$aa70a5e0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <053b01d4b691$5fec45a0$1fc4d0e0$@comcast.net> Thanks Dick. My only question would be what?s the clearance? Not sure it would fit under the Pantera without using some 2x10? rails or other to drive up on. Also, not sure how much access there would be to the front of the engine and coolant pipes etc. What has your experience been so far? - Mike From: Dick Koch Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 2:28 PM To: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas Cc: Detomaso Email List ; detomaso Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] QuickJack Portable Car Lift - $999 at Costco Mike, this may be more than you want but I would suggest you consider a scissors lift. In looking at them, I found what I think is one of the best - the Titan 6600. I found it available online for $1,499 + $285 shipping. Take a look: https://youtu.be/cGdiGixzC1w I was going to use it in my garage, but a friend said I could use his new private shop he is outfitting to work on his corral of cars, so I had it delivered there. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2652647691441880 &id=100000900252005 This lift at the price I paid for it is far superior to the others I considered. Dick Koch - Atlanta On Sun, Jan 27, 2019, 4:38 PM Mike & Elizabeth Thomas wrote: Anyone with experience with the QuckJack portable lift? [1]https://www.quickjack.com/ Given that the typical Pantera jack points, at least to get the whole car off the ground, don't run along the side rails, not sure if it would work as well. My jack points are the front corners of the frame where the jack hole is, but I use the center of the three motor mount bolts as the rear jack stand location. I suppose you could angle this one in towards the center of the car to do that, but not sure if that would be safe or stable. Thoughts? I don't have room for a full car lift or two post portable. Costco has these on sale now for $999 for a set. Thanks Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest 206-795-3302 Yellow '74 #6328 [2]www.panterasnorthwest.com References 1. https://www.quickjack.com/ 2. http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/ _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Thanks Dick. My only question would be what's the clearance? Not sure it would fit under the Pantera without using some 2x10" rails or other to drive up on. Also, not sure how much access there would be to the front of the engine and coolant pipes etc. What has your experience been so far? - Mike From: Dick Koch Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 2:28 PM To: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas Cc: Detomaso Email List ; detomaso Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] QuickJack Portable Car Lift - $999 at Costco Mike, this may be more than you want but I would suggest you consider a scissors lift. In looking at them, I found what I think is one of the best - the Titan 6600. I found it available online for $1,499 + $285 shipping. Take a look: [1]https://youtu.be/cGdiGixzC1w I was going to use it in my garage, but a friend said I could use his new private shop he is outfitting to work on his corral of cars, so I had it delivered there. [2]https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2652647691441880&id=1000 00900252005 This lift at the price I paid for it is far superior to the others I considered. Dick Koch - Atlanta On Sun, Jan 27, 2019, 4:38 PM Mike & Elizabeth Thomas <[3]mbefthomas at comcast.net wrote: Anyone with experience with the QuckJack portable lift? [1][4]https://www.quickjack.com/ Given that the typical Pantera jack points, at least to get the whole car off the ground, don't run along the side rails, not sure if it would work as well. My jack points are the front corners of the frame where the jack hole is, but I use the center of the three motor mount bolts as the rear jack stand location. I suppose you could angle this one in towards the center of the car to do that, but not sure if that would be safe or stable. Thoughts? I don't have room for a full car lift or two post portable. Costco has these on sale now for $999 for a set. Thanks Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest 206-795-3302 Yellow '74 #6328 [2][5]www.panterasnorthwest.com References 1. [6]https://www.quickjack.com/ 2. [7]http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/ _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [8]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [9]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. https://youtu.be/cGdiGixzC1w 2. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2652647691441880&id=100000900252005 3. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net 4. https://www.quickjack.com/ 5. http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/ 6. https://www.quickjack.com/ 7. http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/ 8. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 9. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From redcatman74 at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 18:05:03 2019 From: redcatman74 at gmail.com (Dick Koch) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 18:05:03 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] QuickJack Portable Car Lift - $999 at Costco In-Reply-To: <053b01d4b691$5fec45a0$1fc4d0e0$@comcast.net> References: <04de01d4b688$8e258ca0$aa70a5e0$@comcast.net> <053b01d4b691$5fec45a0$1fc4d0e0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: If you look at the review video, you will see there is ample access to the rear of the car, with the front of the car over the hydraulic cylinders, leaving the rear open. At a lift height of 51" I have ample room to work underneath the car. Yes, you would need to make ramps to initially clear the lift, which I made. It really is no big deal. This is a hefty lift at 1,150#, but I can move it around easily, as you can see in the video. I put a hydraulic quick disconnect to the pump so I can move it out of the way when the car is on the lift or not being used. Dick Koch -Atlanta On Sun, Jan 27, 2019, 5:41 PM Mike & Elizabeth Thomas < mbefthomas at comcast.net wrote: > Thanks Dick. My only question would be what?s the clearance? Not sure it > would fit under the Pantera without using some 2x10? rails or other to > drive up on. Also, not sure how much access there would be to the front of > the engine and coolant pipes etc. What has your experience been so far? > > > > - Mike > > > > *From:* Dick Koch > *Sent:* Sunday, January 27, 2019 2:28 PM > *To:* Mike & Elizabeth Thomas > *Cc:* Detomaso Email List ; detomaso < > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com> > *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] QuickJack Portable Car Lift - $999 at Costco > > > > Mike, this may be more than you want but I would suggest you consider a > scissors lift. > > > > In looking at them, I found what I think is one of the best - the Titan > 6600. I found it available online for $1,499 + $285 shipping. > > > > Take a look: > > https://youtu.be/cGdiGixzC1w > > > > I was going to use it in my garage, but a friend said I could use his new > private shop he is outfitting to work on his corral of cars, so I had it > delivered there. > > > > > https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2652647691441880&id=100000900252005 > > > > This lift at the price I paid for it is far superior to the others I > considered. > > > > Dick Koch - Atlanta > > > > On Sun, Jan 27, 2019, 4:38 PM Mike & Elizabeth Thomas < > mbefthomas at comcast.net wrote: > > Anyone with experience with the QuckJack portable lift? > > > [1]https://www.quickjack.com/ > > > Given that the typical Pantera jack points, at least to get the whole > car off the ground, don't run along the side rails, not sure if it > would work as well. My jack points are the front corners of the frame > where the jack hole is, but I use the center of the three motor mount > bolts as the rear jack stand location. I suppose you could angle this > one in towards the center of the car to do that, but not sure if that > would be safe or stable. > > > Thoughts? I don't have room for a full car lift or two post portable. > Costco has these on sale now for $999 for a set. > > > Thanks > > Mike Thomas > > Pres., Panteras Northwest > > 206-795-3302 > > Yellow '74 #6328 > > [2]www.panterasnorthwest.com > > References > > 1. https://www.quickjack.com/ > 2. http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/ > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. > > -------------- next part -------------- If you look at the review video, you will see there is ample access to the rear of the car, with the front of the car over the hydraulic cylinders, leaving the rear open. At a lift height of 51" I have ample room to work underneath the car. Yes, you would need to make ramps to initially clear the lift, which I made. It really is no big deal. This is a hefty lift at 1,150#, but I can move it around easily, as you can see in the video. I put a hydraulic quick disconnect to the pump so I can move it out of the way when the car is on the lift or not being used. Dick Koch -Atlanta On Sun, Jan 27, 2019, 5:41 PM Mike & Elizabeth Thomas <[1]mbefthomas at comcast.net wrote: Thanks Dick.A My only question would be whatas the clearance?A Not sure it would fit under the Pantera without using some 2x10a rails or other to drive up on.A Also, not sure how much access there would be to the front of the engine and coolant pipes etc.A What has your experience been so far? A - Mike A From: Dick Koch <[2]redcatman74 at gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 2:28 PM To: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas <[3]mbefthomas at comcast.net> Cc: Detomaso Email List <[4]detomaso at detomasolist.com>; detomaso <[5]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] QuickJack Portable Car Lift - $999 at Costco A Mike, this may be more than you want but I would suggest you consider a scissors lift. A In looking at them, I found what I think is one of the best - the Titan 6600. I found it available online forA $1,499A +A $285A shipping.A A Take a look: [6]https://youtu.be/cGdiGixzC1w A I was going to use it in my garage, but a friend said I could use his new private shop he is outfitting to work on his corral of cars, so I had it delivered there.A A [7]https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2652647691441880&id=1000 00900252005 A This lift at the price I paid for it is far superior to the others I considered. A Dick Koch - Atlanta A On Sun, Jan 27, 2019, 4:38 PM Mike & Elizabeth Thomas <[8]mbefthomas at comcast.net wrote: A A Anyone with experience with the QuckJack portable lift? A A [1][9]https://www.quickjack.com/ A A Given that the typical Pantera jack points, at least to get the whole A A car off the ground, don't run along the side rails, not sure if it A A would work as well.A My jack points are the front corners of the frame A A where the jack hole is, but I use the center of the three motor mount A A bolts as the rear jack stand location.A I suppose you could angle this A A one in towards the center of the car to do that, but not sure if that A A would be safe or stable. A A Thoughts?A I don't have room for a full car lift or two post portable. A A Costco has these on sale now for $999 for a set. A A Thanks A A Mike Thomas A A Pres., Panteras Northwest A A 206-795-3302 A A Yellow '74 #6328 A A [2][10]www.panterasnorthwest.com References A A 1. [11]https://www.quickjack.com/ A A 2. 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References 1. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net 2. mailto:redcatman74 at gmail.com 3. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net 4. mailto:detomaso at detomasolist.com 5. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 6. https://youtu.be/cGdiGixzC1w 7. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2652647691441880&id=100000900252005 8. mailto:mbefthomas at comcast.net 9. https://www.quickjack.com/ 10. http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/ 11. https://www.quickjack.com/ 12. http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/ 13. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 14. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From billmoore6480 at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 19:24:35 2019 From: billmoore6480 at gmail.com (billmoore6480) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 17:24:35 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] QuickJack Portable Car Lift - $999 at Costco In-Reply-To: <04de01d4b688$8e258ca0$aa70a5e0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5c4e4bc8.1c69fb81.c10ef.8355@mx.google.com> Mike:?I have one, works well, gives me about 22" under the car.? Set up the back on the engine mounts and the front on the frame. Must make sure the jacks are parallel. Mine works off 110vac. Only draw back is that they are heavy to handle by yourself. Bill Moore?403-860-4300Calgary, Alberta -------- Original message --------From: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas Date: 2019-01-27 2:37 PM (GMT-07:00) To: 'Detomaso Email List' , DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] QuickJack Portable Car Lift - $999 at Costco Anyone with experience with the QuckJack portable lift? https://www.quickjack.com/ Given that the typical Pantera jack points, at least to get the whole car off the ground, don't run along the side rails, not sure if it would work as well.? My jack points are the front corners of the frame where the jack hole is, but I use the center of the three motor mount bolts as the rear jack stand location.? I suppose you could angle this one in towards the center of the car to do that, but not sure if that would be safe or stable. Thoughts?? I don't have room for a full car lift or two post portable. Costco has these on sale now for $999 for a set. Thanks Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest 206-795-3302 Yellow '74 #6328 www.panterasnorthwest.com ?? Anyone with experience with the QuckJack portable lift? ?? [1]https://www.quickjack.com/ ?? Given that the typical Pantera jack points, at least to get the whole ?? car off the ground, don't run along the side rails, not sure if it ?? would work as well.? My jack points are the front corners of the frame ?? where the jack hole is, but I use the center of the three motor mount ?? bolts as the rear jack stand location.? I suppose you could angle this ?? one in towards the center of the car to do that, but not sure if that ?? would be safe or stable. ?? Thoughts?? I don't have room for a full car lift or two post portable. ?? Costco has these on sale now for $999 for a set. ?? Thanks ?? Mike Thomas ?? Pres., Panteras Northwest ?? 206-795-3302 ?? Yellow '74 #6328 ?? [2]www.panterasnorthwest.com References ?? 1. https://www.quickjack.com/ ?? 2. http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/ _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Mike: I have one, works well, gives me about 22" under the car. Set up the back on the engine mounts and the front on the frame. Must make sure the jacks are parallel. Mine works off 110vac. Only draw back is that they are heavy to handle by yourself. Bill Moore 403-860-4300 Calgary, Alberta -------- Original message -------- From: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas Date: 2019-01-27 2:37 PM (GMT-07:00) To: 'Detomaso Email List' , DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] QuickJack Portable Car Lift - $999 at Costco Anyone with experience with the QuckJack portable lift? https://www.quickjack.com/ Given that the typical Pantera jack points, at least to get the whole car off the ground, don't run along the side rails, not sure if it would work as well. My jack points are the front corners of the frame where the jack hole is, but I use the center of the three motor mount bolts as the rear jack stand location. I suppose you could angle this one in towards the center of the car to do that, but not sure if that would be safe or stable. Thoughts? I don't have room for a full car lift or two post portable. Costco has these on sale now for $999 for a set. Thanks Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest 206-795-3302 Yellow '74 #6328 www.panterasnorthwest.com Anyone with experience with the QuckJack portable lift? [1]https://www.quickjack.com/ Given that the typical Pantera jack points, at least to get the whole car off the ground, don't run along the side rails, not sure if it would work as well. My jack points are the front corners of the frame where the jack hole is, but I use the center of the three motor mount bolts as the rear jack stand location. I suppose you could angle this one in towards the center of the car to do that, but not sure if that would be safe or stable. Thoughts? I don't have room for a full car lift or two post portable. Costco has these on sale now for $999 for a set. Thanks Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest 206-795-3302 Yellow '74 #6328 [2]www.panterasnorthwest.com References 1. https://www.quickjack.com/ 2. http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/ _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From billmoore6480 at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 19:24:35 2019 From: billmoore6480 at gmail.com (billmoore6480) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 17:24:35 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] QuickJack Portable Car Lift - $999 at Costco In-Reply-To: <04de01d4b688$8e258ca0$aa70a5e0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5c4e4bc8.1c69fb81.c10ef.8355@mx.google.com> Mike:?I have one, works well, gives me about 22" under the car.? Set up the back on the engine mounts and the front on the frame. Must make sure the jacks are parallel. Mine works off 110vac. Only draw back is that they are heavy to handle by yourself. Bill Moore?403-860-4300Calgary, Alberta -------- Original message --------From: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas Date: 2019-01-27 2:37 PM (GMT-07:00) To: 'Detomaso Email List' , DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] QuickJack Portable Car Lift - $999 at Costco Anyone with experience with the QuckJack portable lift? https://www.quickjack.com/ Given that the typical Pantera jack points, at least to get the whole car off the ground, don't run along the side rails, not sure if it would work as well.? My jack points are the front corners of the frame where the jack hole is, but I use the center of the three motor mount bolts as the rear jack stand location.? I suppose you could angle this one in towards the center of the car to do that, but not sure if that would be safe or stable. Thoughts?? I don't have room for a full car lift or two post portable. Costco has these on sale now for $999 for a set. Thanks Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest 206-795-3302 Yellow '74 #6328 www.panterasnorthwest.com ?? Anyone with experience with the QuckJack portable lift? ?? [1]https://www.quickjack.com/ ?? Given that the typical Pantera jack points, at least to get the whole ?? car off the ground, don't run along the side rails, not sure if it ?? would work as well.? My jack points are the front corners of the frame ?? where the jack hole is, but I use the center of the three motor mount ?? bolts as the rear jack stand location.? I suppose you could angle this ?? one in towards the center of the car to do that, but not sure if that ?? would be safe or stable. ?? Thoughts?? I don't have room for a full car lift or two post portable. ?? Costco has these on sale now for $999 for a set. ?? Thanks ?? Mike Thomas ?? Pres., Panteras Northwest ?? 206-795-3302 ?? Yellow '74 #6328 ?? [2]www.panterasnorthwest.com References ?? 1. https://www.quickjack.com/ ?? 2. http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/ _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Mike: I have one, works well, gives me about 22" under the car. Set up the back on the engine mounts and the front on the frame. Must make sure the jacks are parallel. Mine works off 110vac. Only draw back is that they are heavy to handle by yourself. Bill Moore 403-860-4300 Calgary, Alberta -------- Original message -------- From: Mike & Elizabeth Thomas Date: 2019-01-27 2:37 PM (GMT-07:00) To: 'Detomaso Email List' , DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] QuickJack Portable Car Lift - $999 at Costco Anyone with experience with the QuckJack portable lift? https://www.quickjack.com/ Given that the typical Pantera jack points, at least to get the whole car off the ground, don't run along the side rails, not sure if it would work as well. My jack points are the front corners of the frame where the jack hole is, but I use the center of the three motor mount bolts as the rear jack stand location. I suppose you could angle this one in towards the center of the car to do that, but not sure if that would be safe or stable. Thoughts? I don't have room for a full car lift or two post portable. Costco has these on sale now for $999 for a set. Thanks Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest 206-795-3302 Yellow '74 #6328 www.panterasnorthwest.com Anyone with experience with the QuckJack portable lift? [1]https://www.quickjack.com/ Given that the typical Pantera jack points, at least to get the whole car off the ground, don't run along the side rails, not sure if it would work as well. My jack points are the front corners of the frame where the jack hole is, but I use the center of the three motor mount bolts as the rear jack stand location. I suppose you could angle this one in towards the center of the car to do that, but not sure if that would be safe or stable. Thoughts? I don't have room for a full car lift or two post portable. Costco has these on sale now for $999 for a set. Thanks Mike Thomas Pres., Panteras Northwest 206-795-3302 Yellow '74 #6328 [2]www.panterasnorthwest.com References 1. https://www.quickjack.com/ 2. http://www.panterasnorthwest.com/ _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From MikeLDrew at aol.com Sun Jan 27 19:35:40 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 16:35:40 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Throttle cable In-Reply-To: References: <6EA9DF0F-EBB2-41FF-A3C5-C580B099CEFF@aol.com> <62623ECF-CA07-470E-9F5E-2C82406C8E26@icloud.com> Message-ID: <03AF52CD-1484-4EFC-8CAC-B0186AE5FB10@aol.com> Sent from my iPad > On Jan 27, 2019, at 13:31, Larry Stock wrote: > (Snip) > > That carb bracket Mike showed helps to get the throttle linkage away from > the intake manifold base so it doesn?t interfere and get stuck open like > mine did once doing an Auto Cross, but it doesn?t help so much with the > angle arc pull of the carburetor butterflies. >>>Actually, it doesn?t displace the cable end laterally (sideways) at all, so it won?t help much with interference with intake runners if that?s an issue. It moves the ball almost straight back from the standard position. In the standard position, the ball moves slightly down as it moves back, and then moves upward. It describes a circle as it is moving, so that eventually it gets to the 8 o?clock position (or thereabouts) and then the straight line pull does very little to open the throttle further. The aluminum bracket changes that geometry, and the ball starts out at about the 4 o?clock position. As the cable is pulled it moves through an arc until about the 7 o?clock position. In fact I wish I had this on my own car, and may well install it since it?s sitting here. I tried to start my car today with no luck. It cranked and cranked for ever and didn?t so much as pop. I now have the battery on a charger. Hoping against hope that the MSD isn?t getting enough power to deliver a quality spark. (I did squirt a little gas in the carb too). Then went to start Lori?s car, and after some cranking it fired right off. Love that thing! Mike > >> On 1/27/19, 1:08 PM, "Paul Rimov" wrote: >> >> I bought a Lokar universal 10 foot throttle cable and rerouted it around >> and over the bell housing so it was pulling the throttle linkage rather >> than pushing it. Worked fantastically better than the factory set up. >> Much much much better feedback and feel. >> >>> On Jan 27, 2019, at 11:07 AM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso >>> wrote: >>> >>> Mike, >>> >>> Yup. Larry?s option is what Lori and I have on our cars. Moving the >>> cable housing forward with his bracket, or moving the carb pickup point >>> rearwards with the carb bracket I pictured, effectively does the same >>> thing. Moving the cable forward increases the angle the cable is forced >>> to bend to go down into the car, so perhaps it?s better to use the >>> bracket mounted on the carb. It?s twice as expensive though, and I have >>> no personal experience with it. >>> >>> If you have a vac secondary carb, it?s possible you can get away with >>> everything being stock?I don?t know. For sure something needs to be >>> altered if you have mechanical secondaries though. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Jan 27, 2019, at 11:01, Larry Stock wrote: >>>> >>>> Do you have the Throttle cable adaptor bracket that goes on the front >>>> bolt >>>> of the intake manifold? It moves the cable forward about 5/8 of an >>>> inch to >>>> match the centerline of the 4 square Holly carb pattern from The >>>> original >>>> equipment spread bore Autolight Carburetor. The original looks like a >>>> Tee >>>> that the throttle cable sheathing is harnessed in a slot and the Holly >>>> one >>>> looks more like an offset L bracket. If you don?t have the Holly >>>> bracket >>>> you use up and extra 5/8 of an inch of cable and probably will not be >>>> getting full throttle with the butterflies of the Carburetor. We sell >>>> these for $35.00 >>>> Larry Stock >>>> >>>> On 1/26/19, 8:04 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike McDougal" >>>> >>> mdmcdougal at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Looking for recommendations for a throttle cable.A I have the >>>>> original >>>>> cable stretched to the max. Needs to be a little longer. To fit a >>>>> holley type carb on a blue thunder intake. >>>>> Thanks.A MikeA >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >>>>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>>>> DeTomaso mailing list >>>>> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >>>>> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>>>> >>>>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >>>>> use >>>>> the links above. >>>>> >>>>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >>>>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >>>>> list. >>>>> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >>>>> approve the archiving of list messages. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >>>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>>> DeTomaso mailing list >>>> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >>>> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>>> >>>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >>>> use the links above. >>>> >>>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >>>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >>>> list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive >>>> or approve the archiving of list messages. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>> DeTomaso mailing list >>> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >>> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >>> use the links above. >>> >>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >>> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >>> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >>> approve the archiving of list messages. >> > > From fresnofinches at aol.com Sun Jan 27 20:34:00 2019 From: fresnofinches at aol.com (Larry Finch) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 17:34:00 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] QuickJack Portable Car Lift - $999 at Costco Message-ID: Mike you might want to look into this option. Richard Barkley has one of these and has been happy with it, the yellow Pantera in the photo is his. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image1.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 139587 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- They are having a very nice sale until the end of January. One thing I like about this unit is it operates off of a strong corded electric drill and does not require any hydraulic hoses. Also it only contacts the floor at four points and has no cross beams or braces blocking access on a creeper or our famous alternative, a sheet of cardboard. It does have cross braces but they are not needed once the car is in its final position. With the optional 5 inch wheel kit you can roll your car around while it is up in the air. I bought one and it is waiting in my garage for the return of 2511. Whenever that turns out to be.......... Lots of information on the website. The designer and builder is a very nice gentleman who basically is a one-man shop operating out of an industrial space in Santa Barbara. Larry -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image2.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 519951 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. From Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov Sun Jan 27 21:27:26 2019 From: Terry.Himes at jpl.nasa.gov (Himes, Terry (397C)) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 02:27:26 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] QuickJack Portable Car Lift - $999 at Costco In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <78C0076C-E536-44E2-A206-CF32BB741EE7@jpl.nasa.gov> LOVE that color. Mine is 2001 Millennium yellow. "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Juno Systems & Software Team TGO Sequence Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov ?? From: DeTomaso on behalf of Larry Finch via DeTomaso Reply-To: Larry Finch Date: Sunday, January 27, 2019 at 5:34 PM To: Email List Address For Posting Subject: [DeTomaso] QuickJack Portable Car Lift - $999 at Costco Mike you might want to look into this option. Richard Barkley has one of these and has been happy with it, the yellow Pantera in the photo is his. [cid:e8af73ea-e492-4edd-8d29-1b42f99694af at ad.jpl] They are having a very nice sale until the end of January. One thing I like about this unit is it operates off of a strong corded electric drill and does not require any hydraulic hoses. Also it only contacts the floor at four points and has no cross beams or braces blocking access on a creeper or our famous alternative, a sheet of cardboard. It does have cross braces but they are not needed once the car is in its final position. With the optional 5 inch wheel kit you can roll your car around while it is up in the air. I bought one and it is waiting in my garage for the return of 2511. Whenever that turns out to be.......... Lots of information on the website. The designer and builder is a very nice gentleman who basically is a one-man shop operating out of an industrial space in Santa Barbara. Larry [cid:ec5b228f-ec8e-4a77-a0d9-6550b076f8c3 at ad.jpl] Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- LOVE that color. Mine is 2001 Millennium yellow. "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Juno Systems & Software Team TGO Sequence Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 [1]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 🇺🇸 From: DeTomaso on behalf of Larry Finch via DeTomaso Reply-To: Larry Finch Date: Sunday, January 27, 2019 at 5:34 PM To: Email List Address For Posting Subject: [DeTomaso] QuickJack Portable Car Lift - $999 at Costco Mike you might want to look into this option. Richard Barkley has one of these and has been happy with it, the yellow Pantera in the photo is his. cid:e8af73ea-e492-4edd-8d29-1b42f99694af at ad.jpl They are having a very nice sale until the end of January. One thing I like about this unit is it operates off of a strong corded electric drill and does not require any hydraulic hoses. Also it only contacts the floor at four points and has no cross beams or braces blocking access on a creeper or our famous alternative, a sheet of cardboard. It does have cross braces but they are not needed once the car is in its final position. With the optional 5 inch wheel kit you can roll your car around while it is up in the air. I bought one and it is waiting in my garage for the return of 2511. Whenever that turns out to be.......... Lots of information on the website. The designer and builder is a very nice gentleman who basically is a one-man shop operating out of an industrial space in Santa Barbara. Larry cid:ec5b228f-ec8e-4a77-a0d9-6550b076f8c3 at ad.jpl Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Mark > On Jan 28, 2019, at 5:22 AM, James Leooo wrote: > > How do I get a mailing list with the owners > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From steve at snclocks.com Mon Jan 28 10:28:52 2019 From: steve at snclocks.com (Steve) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 07:28:52 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002e01d4b71e$2ceda260$86c8e720$@snclocks.com> Thank god the list is not published. And, please, minimize the use of both the forum e-mail address and a long list of individuals. They will get the e-mail if you send it to the forum. Including lots of individual addresses just spreads e-mail address far and wide for spamming. If you want to respond to an individual, just send them a response - don't include the forum on such e-mails. Stephen - who gets way too much spam and not enough brussels sprouts -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of MARK CHARLTON Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 6:25 AM To: James Leooo Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] (no subject) You don?t. You send an email to the list and we all receive it. Cheers, Mark > On Jan 28, 2019, at 5:22 AM, James Leooo wrote: > > How do I get a mailing list with the owners > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not > exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From julian_kift at hotmail.com Mon Jan 28 10:46:24 2019 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 15:46:24 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <002e01d4b71e$2ceda260$86c8e720$@snclocks.com> References: , <002e01d4b71e$2ceda260$86c8e720$@snclocks.com> Message-ID: Most folks email software automatically includes the direct email address of any individual whom has responded in the conversation, you would have to strip those personal emails and always only reply to the list email. Even then, the archives are freely accessible and simple data mining software can probably pull email addresses for 90% of us on the list. The answer is having good spam filters and being diligent; like when a completely new name appears on the list and their first post asks for email addresses for all don't reply and give them your email address! Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Steve Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 7:28 AM To: 'MARK CHARLTON'; 'James Leooo' Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] (no subject) Thank god the list is not published. And, please, minimize the use of both the forum e-mail address and a long list of individuals. They will get the e-mail if you send it to the forum. Including lots of individual addresses just spreads e-mail address far and wide for spamming. If you want to respond to an individual, just send them a response - don't include the forum on such e-mails. Stephen - who gets way too much spam and not enough brussels sprouts -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of MARK CHARLTON Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 6:25 AM To: James Leooo Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] (no subject) You don?t. You send an email to the list and we all receive it. Cheers, Mark > On Jan 28, 2019, at 5:22 AM, James Leooo wrote: > > How do I get a mailing list with the owners > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not > exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Most folks email software automatically includes the direct email address of any individual whom has responded in the conversation, you would have to strip those personal emails and always only reply to the list email. Even then, the archives are freely accessible and simple data mining software can probably pull email addresses for 90% of us on the list. The answer is having good spam filters and being diligent; like when a completely new name appears on the list and their first post asks for email addresses for all don't reply and give them your email address! Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Steve Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 7:28 AM To: 'MARK CHARLTON'; 'James Leooo' Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] (no subject) Thank god the list is not published. And, please, minimize the use of both the forum e-mail address and a long list of individuals. They will get the e-mail if you send it to the forum. Including lots of individual addresses just spreads e-mail address far and wide for spamming. If you want to respond to an individual, just send them a response - don't include the forum on such e-mails. Stephen - who gets way too much spam and not enough brussels sprouts -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[1]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of MARK CHARLTON Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 6:25 AM To: James Leooo Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] (no subject) You don't. You send an email to the list and we all receive it. Cheers, Mark > On Jan 28, 2019, at 5:22 AM, James Leooo wrote: > > How do I get a mailing list with the owners > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not > exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From MikeLDrew at aol.com Mon Jan 28 10:56:28 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 07:56:28 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2AA631FF-9E4D-4BB1-8E0E-1E6E1D41BBC7@aol.com> James, There is no ?mailing list? that would enable you to send physical mail to people. If you were to join POCA you would receive a roster that has phone and email contact info. In the past, when vendors wanted to send direct advertisements to the membership, they provided the ads to the club, and paid the extra postage to have them included with the club newsletter mailing. Mike Sent from my iPad > On Jan 28, 2019, at 02:22, James Leooo wrote: > > How do I get a mailing list with the owners > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From fresnofinches at aol.com Mon Jan 28 13:15:04 2019 From: fresnofinches at aol.com (Larry Finch) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 10:15:04 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] (no subject) Message-ID: <849AD63B-8E2C-468D-8201-489FD8197899@aol.com> All, The sender of the original email, JDsalvage, has very little presence on the www. For all intents and purposes it appears the poster is seeking everyone?s email address rather than seeking any Pantera information. This may be a completely innocent, non-tech-skilled request by someone. But thanks to Julian and Mike he now has a couple of new options to try in order to get the email addresses. :-( Honestly guys, best just to let this topic die with no further response. If that is too hard for anyone and you still feel the need to reply, at least try not to give him any more tips on how to get the email addresses, OK? Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. From MikeLDrew at aol.com Mon Jan 28 13:19:28 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 10:19:28 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] New video by enthusiastic new owner Message-ID: <0B715366-71B3-4C5E-8A90-860C78A4624D@aol.com> Guys, Mike Hill in Turlock, CA just got a Pantera a few weeks ago and made a nice video. https://youtu.be/z-JOx9vrdmg Mike Sent from my iPad -------------- next part -------------- Guys, Mike Hill in Turlock, CA just got a Pantera a few weeks ago and made a nice video. [1]https://youtu.be/z-JOx9vrdmg Mike Sent from my iPad References 1. https://youtu.be/z-JOx9vrdmg From tipo874 at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 14:10:03 2019 From: tipo874 at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Thomas_T=C3=B6rnblom?=) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 20:10:03 +0100 Subject: [DeTomaso] Alternator swap, alternator indicator is on In-Reply-To: <89e1e6a4-83b3-fbd7-d2b7-5bdf8c1c4899@hax.se> References: <89e1e6a4-83b3-fbd7-d2b7-5bdf8c1c4899@hax.se> Message-ID: It was indeed the DRL circuit that caused the problem. I?ve now added a transistor that reduces the current draw so the lamp goes out as it should when the engine is running. Cheers, Thomas > 18 jan. 2019 kl. 09:41 skrev Thomas T?rnblom : > > I think I know what the problem is. > > I have a relay for my DRL where the coil is powered from the I lead and I suspect that the Ford alternator doesn't source enough power on the I lead to bring it to +12V, which would properly extinguish the alternator light. > > I will disconnect the relay and verify that this is the issue, and if so, I will either need to add a transistor to reduce the current draw on this signal, or power the relay from the stator wire, but that only provides about 6-7V, so may have to use a different relay. > > Cheers, > Thomas > >> Den 2019-01-17 kl. 20:22, skrev Thomas Tornblom: >> I've replaced the Bosch alternator in my GT5 with a 130A Ford style alternator from DB Electrical. >> >> I just started it up to check that everything works, and while it charges, the alternator light doesn't go out, it just gets a bit dimmer. >> >> Measuring the voltage on the wire to the light I see that it is around 7V, which is about half of what the alternator outputs. >> >> The stator wire should be around this voltage when the engine is running but I'm surprised that the indicator/ignition wire is at that voltage too. That seems wrong. >> >> I know that there are owners who have replaced their old alternators with this type of alternator, how have you solved this issue? Skipped the light completely or did you not have this problem? >> >> I'm contemplating adding a suitable zener diode in series with the wire, but it will take some testing to make sure that the current to the alternator then is enough to excite the field. >> >> I'm also using this wire to engage the DRL:s, so hard wiring it to switched 12V will kill that functionality too. >> >> Cheers, >> Thomas >> > > -- > Real life: Thomas T?rnblom Email: thomas at hax.se > Snail mail: Banvallsv?gen 14 Phone: +46 18 32 31 18 > S - 754 40 Uppsala, Sweden Mobile: +46 76 209 8320 > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From MikeLDrew at aol.com Mon Jan 28 16:23:13 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 13:23:13 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Can't Post anymore, Please help In-Reply-To: <489910188.2505306.1548704744163@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1495269617.2511809.1548703733623.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1495269617.2511809.1548703733623@mail.yahoo.com> <245390748.2528009.1548703818652@mail.yahoo.com> <489910188.2505306.1548704744163@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D9CBA7F-9085-4D36-BEC9-FBDFC0DA9341@aol.com> Robert, Newish list address appears next to yours. Try sending to that one and see if it works? Mike Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 28, 2019, at 11:45, Robert Gushue wrote: > > Mike, > > Hope you remember when you had helped me last time. Whatever you did got me enabled to post. NONE of the email addys work for me anymore. They all bounce as undeliverable so I cannot ask any admin or site provider for help. Maybe you could provide an addy for me to use ? Maybe the addy for the list provider/maintainer/admin ? Nothing seems to work. If you can get me back on, please provide the means so that I can do this myself next time. I have mostly been a lurker but do post occasionally. I tried to chime in about the tap and die post and that's when I found out I could not post again. > > Thank you in advance. > Robert (Rick) Gushue > #1582 > > > > > Subject: Fwd: Can't Post anymore > > Want to ad that when I had this last time, I unsubscribed and resubscribed and no help. I cannot email to the addys on the bottom of the posts, msg bounces. I still receive posts but cannot post myself. Is there a time limit and if I don't post then I am not allowed to do so ? > Nothing and I mean nothing worked until I contacted Mike Drew last time. Odd but I was probably in the first 10 or 20 to subscribe when this list was created many years ago. Thanks for your help. > > Subject: Can't Post anymore > > I can't post anymore, this happened last year and after a lot of attempts, I got Mike Drew to do something and cleared problem. > > Thanks > Robert gushue > #1582 > -------------- next part -------------- Robert, Newish list address appears next to yours. Try sending to that one and see if it works? Mike Sent from my iPhone On Jan 28, 2019, at 11:45, Robert Gushue <[1]rwgushue at gte.net> wrote: Mike, Hope you remember when you had helped me last time. Whatever you did got me enabled to post. NONE of the email addys work for me anymore. They all bounce as undeliverable so I cannot ask any admin or site provider for help. Maybe you could provide an addy for me to use ? Maybe the addy for the list provider/maintainer/admin ? Nothing seems to work. If you can get me back on, please provide the means so that I can do this myself next time. I have mostly been a lurker but do post occasionally. I tried to chime in about the tap and die post and that's when I found out I could not post again. Thank you in advance. Robert (Rick) Gushue #1582 Subject: Fwd: Can't Post anymore Want to ad that when I had this last time, I unsubscribed and resubscribed and no help. I cannot email to the addys on the bottom of the posts, msg bounces. I still receive posts but cannot post myself. Is there a time limit and if I don't post then I am not allowed to do so ? Nothing and I mean nothing worked until I contacted Mike Drew last time. Odd but I was probably in the first 10 or 20 to subscribe when this list was created many years ago. Thanks for your help. Subject: Can't Post anymore I can't post anymore, this happened last year and after a lot of attempts, I got Mike Drew to do something and cleared problem. Thanks Robert gushue #1582 References 1. mailto:rwgushue at gte.net From rwgushue at gte.net Mon Jan 28 20:13:49 2019 From: rwgushue at gte.net (Robert Gushue) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 01:13:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC Test References: <1512333572.2700817.1548724429034.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1512333572.2700817.1548724429034@mail.yahoo.com> Just a test.? -------------- next part -------------- Just a test. From billmoore6480 at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 21:23:34 2019 From: billmoore6480 at gmail.com (billmoore6480) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2019 19:23:34 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC Test In-Reply-To: <1512333572.2700817.1548724429034@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5c4fb92a.1c69fb81.7a9dc.006a@mx.google.com> Rec'd? Bill Moore?403-860-4300Calgary, Alberta -------- Original message --------From: Robert Gushue Date: 2019-01-28 6:13 PM (GMT-07:00) To: detomaso at detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC Test Just a test.? ?? Just a test. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Rec'd Bill Moore 403-860-4300 Calgary, Alberta -------- Original message -------- From: Robert Gushue Date: 2019-01-28 6:13 PM (GMT-07:00) To: detomaso at detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC Test Just a test. Just a test. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From garth_rodericks at yahoo.com Tue Jan 29 12:59:06 2019 From: garth_rodericks at yahoo.com (Garth Rodericks) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 17:59:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: 408 cid Ford Windsor Stroker Engine dyno tests References: <2029140769.3015766.1548784746820.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2029140769.3015766.1548784746820@mail.yahoo.com> Engine of the week: Interesting article from Engine Builder Magazine... 408 cid Ford Windsor Stroker Engine - Engine Builder Magazine | | | | | | | | | | | 408 cid Ford Windsor Stroker Engine - Engine Builder Magazine Looking to test real world differences between carburetor and EFI engine set-ups, while also testing different-s... | | | Just the messenger.Garth#4033 -------------- next part -------------- Engine of the week: Interesting article from Engine Builder Magazine... [1]408 cid Ford Windsor Stroker Engine - Engine Builder Magazine 408 cid Ford Windsor Stroker Engine - Engine Builder Magazine Looking to test real world differences between carburetor and EFI engine set-ups, while also testing different-s... Just the messenger. Garth #4033 References Visible links 1. https://www.enginebuildermag.com/2019/01/408-cid-ford-windsor-stroker-engine/ Hidden links: 3. https://www.enginebuildermag.com/2019/01/408-cid-ford-windsor-stroker-engine/ From garth_rodericks at yahoo.com Wed Jan 30 17:11:08 2019 From: garth_rodericks at yahoo.com (Garth Rodericks) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 22:11:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] 71 Pantera for sale in Seattle References: <56431341.512942.1548886268286.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <56431341.512942.1548886268286@mail.yahoo.com> Stumbled upon this one today... https://www.dragers.com/vehicles/384/1971-de-tomaso-pantera Just the messenger. -------------- next part -------------- Stumbled upon this one today... [1]https://www.dragers.com/vehicles/384/1971-de-tomaso-pantera Just the messenger. References 1. https://www.dragers.com/vehicles/384/1971-de-tomaso-pantera From cuvee at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 30 18:01:59 2019 From: cuvee at sbcglobal.net (Curt Hall) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 23:01:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] 71 Pantera for sale in Seattle In-Reply-To: <56431341.512942.1548886268286@mail.yahoo.com> References: <56431341.512942.1548886268286.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <56431341.512942.1548886268286@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2079616226.494765.1548889319506@mail.yahoo.com> Always seems funny to me when when they want you to Call for a Price? Maybe it just Me?lol Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 2:11 PM, Garth Rodericks via DeTomaso wrote: ? Stumbled upon this one today... ? [1]https://www.dragers.com/vehicles/384/1971-de-tomaso-pantera ? Just the messenger. 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Italian car enthusiasts are quite familiar with the Pantera, but enthusiasts should also take a look at the beautiful models Vallenlunga , Mangusta, Deauville, and Longchamp.? In fact, in 2017 a sensational Mangusta won the Concorso Italiano Best in Show, judged ahead of models from brands with a much longer history.? Yes, these cars are that special. Alejandro De Tomaso founded De Tomaso Modena SpA in 1959, 60 years ago.? The man and his Company had extraordinarily colorful histories, at times owning Maserati, Innocenti, Moto Guzzi, and designers Ghia and Vignale.? Sg. DeTomaso was an enterprising man who built a strong relationship with Ford Motors whose engines were used in the iconic Pantera.? The Lincoln and Mercury dealers provided North American distribution.? The stories of this man are legendary.? Any history of the Italian Automotive industry from the 1950s to the 1990s would be incomplete without significant mention of Alejandro De Tomaso. At Concorso this year, joining in the 60th?anniversary celebration of De Tomaso, will be KABC-TV?s meteorologist Dallas Raines.? A long-time car guy, Mr. Raines will be bringing his freshly restored 1974 Pantera L.? We?re certain he is willing to share his enthusiasm with fellow Pantera owners.? In addition, Mr. Raines? eclectic car collection is something he is likely to discuss with all of us at the stage. Join Italian car enthusiasts, De Tomaso enthusiasts, and Dallas Raines, for a celebration of De Tomaso?s 60th?anniversary.??Click here to register your vehicle, and?here to purchase tickets.? See you on August 15th?at Bayonet Black Horse Golf Course in Seaside. 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In fact, in 2017 a sensational Mangusta won the Concorso Italiano Best in Show, judged ahead of models from brands with a much longer history.? Yes, these cars are that special. Alejandro De Tomaso founded De Tomaso Modena SpA in 1959, 60 years ago.? The man and his Company had extraordinarily colorful histories, at times owning Maserati, Innocenti, Moto Guzzi, and designers Ghia and Vignale.? Sg. DeTomaso was an enterprising man who built a strong relationship with Ford Motors whose engines were used in the iconic Pantera.? The Lincoln and Mercury dealers provided North American distribution.? The stories of this man are legendary.? Any history of the Italian Automotive industry from the 1950s to the 1990s would be incomplete without significant mention of Alejandro De Tomaso. At Concorso this year, joining in the 60th anniversary celebration of De Tomaso, will be KABC-TV?s meteorologist Dallas Raines.? A long-time car guy, Mr. Raines will be bringing his freshly restored 1974 Pantera L.? We?re certain he is willing to share his enthusiasm with fellow Pantera owners.? In addition, Mr. Raines? eclectic car collection is something he is likely to discuss with all of us at the stage. Join Italian car enthusiasts, De Tomaso enthusiasts, and Dallas Raines, for a celebration of De Tomaso?s 60th anniversary.? Click here to register your vehicle, and here to purchase tickets.? See you on August 15th at Bayonet Black Horse Golf Course in Seaside. | | | | | | | | Main Sponsors | | | | | | | | Associate?Sponsors | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Copyright ? 2019 Concorso Italiano, All rights reserved. You are receiving this email because we have your email address on file and want to keep you up to date on Concorso news throughout the year. 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The man and his Company had extraordinarily colorful histories, at times owning Maserati, Innocenti, Moto Guzzi, and designers Ghia and Vignale. Sg. DeTomaso was an enterprising man who built a strong relationship with Ford Motors whose engines were used in the iconic Pantera. The Lincoln and Mercury dealers provided North American distribution. The stories of this man are legendary. Any history of the Italian Automotive industry from the 1950s to the 1990s would be incomplete without significant mention of Alejandro De Tomaso. At Concorso this year, joining in the 60^th anniversary celebration of De Tomaso, will be KABC-TVas meteorologist Dallas Raines. A long-time car guy, Mr. Raines will be bringing his freshly restored 1974 Pantera L. Weare certain he is willing to share his enthusiasm with fellow Pantera owners. In addition, Mr. Rainesa eclectic car collection is something he is likely to discuss with all of us at the stage. Join Italian car enthusiasts, De Tomaso enthusiasts, and Dallas Raines, for a celebration of De Tomasoas 60^th anniversary. [1]Click here to register your vehicle, and [2]here to purchase tickets. See you on August 15^th at Bayonet Black Horse Golf Course in Seaside. Register: [3]https://concorso.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=8ecdd01 f206b0735981d574f1&id=e2089b56f9&e=5d68327783 Purchase Tickets: [4]https://concorso.us2.list-manage.com/track/click?u=8ecdd01f 206b0735981d574f1&id=07ec124344&e=5d68327783 ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Concorso Italiano Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019, 7:04:12 AM PST Subject: A Diamond Anniversary for De Tomaso The latest updates from Concorso Italiano [5]View this email in your browser A Diamond Anniversary Owners of De Tomaso built cars are an amazingly enthusiastic group. We hear from them regularly, which is a good thing. When they reminded us of the upcoming Diamond Anniversary we jumped on the chance to celebrate. Italian car enthusiasts are quite familiar with the Pantera, but enthusiasts should also take a look at the beautiful models Vallenlunga , Mangusta, Deauville, and Longchamp. In fact, in 2017 a sensational Mangusta won the Concorso Italiano Best in Show, judged ahead of models from brands with a much longer history. Yes, these cars are that special. Alejandro De Tomaso founded De Tomaso Modena SpA in 1959, 60 years ago. The man and his Company had extraordinarily colorful histories, at times owning Maserati, Innocenti, Moto Guzzi, and designers Ghia and Vignale. Sg. DeTomaso was an enterprising man who built a strong relationship with Ford Motors whose engines were used in the iconic Pantera. The Lincoln and Mercury dealers provided North American distribution. The stories of this man are legendary. Any history of the Italian Automotive industry from the 1950s to the 1990s would be incomplete without significant mention of Alejandro De Tomaso. At Concorso this year, joining in the 60^th anniversary celebration of De Tomaso, will be KABC-TVas meteorologist Dallas Raines. A long-time car guy, Mr. Raines will be bringing his freshly restored 1974 Pantera L. Weare certain he is willing to share his enthusiasm with fellow Pantera owners. In addition, Mr. Rainesa eclectic car collection is something he is likely to discuss with all of us at the stage. Join Italian car enthusiasts, De Tomaso enthusiasts, and Dallas Raines, for a celebration of De Tomasoas 60^th anniversary. [6]Click here to register your vehicle, and [7]here to purchase tickets. See you on August 15^th at Bayonet Black Horse Golf Course in Seaside. Main Sponsors Associate Sponsors [8]Facebook [9]Twitter [10]Instagram [11]Website Copyright A(c) 2019 Concorso Italiano, All rights reserved. You are receiving this email because we have your email address on file and want to keep you up to date on Concorso news throughout the year. 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Message-ID: <223933ED-A072-4C62-9B33-9A054FC54689@aol.com> Guys, Some Panteras (later L-models I think?) came with a molded-in nut at the bottom of the spare tire well, to accommodate a hold-down. The drawing in the De Tomaso parts book looks just like this Maserati hold-down: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image1.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 38802 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- The Ford parts book shows a different looking part, and Wilkinson has it pictured thusly: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image2.png Type: image/png Size: 439427 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Can somebody who has a stock, original hold-down share photos please? Thanks! Mike Sent from my iPad From larrys at panteraparts.com Thu Jan 31 20:14:10 2019 From: larrys at panteraparts.com (Larry Stock) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 17:14:10 -0800 Subject: [DeTomaso] Spare tire hold down? In-Reply-To: <223933ED-A072-4C62-9B33-9A054FC54689@aol.com> References: <223933ED-A072-4C62-9B33-9A054FC54689@aol.com> Message-ID: I have one on my shelf, do you need a picture of it? Larry On 1/31/19, 4:47 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso" wrote: >Guys, > >Some Panteras (later L-models I think?) came with a molded-in nut at the >bottom of the spare tire well, to accommodate a hold-down. The drawing in >the De Tomaso parts book looks just like this Maserati hold-down: > > > >The Ford parts book shows a different looking part, and Wilkinson has it >pictured thusly: > > > >Can somebody who has a stock, original hold-down share photos please? > >Thanks! > >Mike > >Sent from my iPad_______________________________________________ > > >Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > >To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use >the links above. > >Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >approve the archiving of list messages.