[DeTomaso] New Fuel Injection recommendations
Julian Kift
julian_kift at hotmail.com
Sun Dec 22 14:07:13 EST 2019
Nice article, thanks for sending, I like the look and ease of the Inglese 8 stack (more correctly Comp Cams as they hold the Inglese Trademark and also own the FAST brand, but Jim Inglese is back out on his own). A shame they didn't get any real HP/Torque numbers on the Pantera and quoted some generic change from a carburetor to 8 stack on a big block Chevy where the 8 stack likely added most if not all the benefits and FAST unit just made it easier to tune.
I think most folks think of the FAST or self learning units as a bolt on and go, so good to see the qualification that one should still go to the dyno and tune the EFI to spark curve.
Julian
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Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2019 9:22 AM
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Fuel Injection recommendations
Interesting article that I've not seen before. FI for Pantera in Hot Rod Magazine. 2017.
https://www.hotrod.com/articles/installing-a-fast-ez-efi-and-ingleses-8v-induction-system-on-a-351-cleveland/
On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 5:37 PM billmoore6480 <billmoore6480 at gmail.com<mailto:billmoore6480 at gmail.com>> wrote:
Ken, or you could install a 750 DP
Cheers
Bill Moore
Calgary
4038604300
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Date: 12/20/19 4:33 PM (GMT-07:00)
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Fuel Injection recommendations
You can go here and download the free FAST XFI C-COM 2.0 software:
https://www.fuelairspark.com/software-downloads
If you install it, you can go to:
HELP: INDEX
and get a massive amount of information.
You can connect the ECU to the internet and use remote turning services so you don't need to rely on local support to fix issues, and it is suppose to be self learning. There is a Facebook group and the Comp Cams FAST forum:
http://www.cpgnation.com/forum/forums/fast-support-forum.235/
Still installing, so no personal experience.
Some people like the Holley system better so you might want to look into it.
Ken
On Friday, December 20, 2019, 2:50:35 PM PST, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com>> wrote:
Thanks fur responding Julian. My car starts and runs, but not great. My
Electromotive TEC3a doesn't have a workable idle control valve circuit
which I need with a Holley style throttle body - we've tuned around
that problem but still not very good, still uses an old PC serial
connection, requires experts to program and modify (which don't exist
here in Dallas), and their support was horrible until I just gave up. I
needA something that is reliable, supportable and supported here. I'm
tired of apologizing for it. I do realize that a new system will not be
as flexible and controllable as the TEC3a but I've had it for 13 years
and it's the same old same old. I'm generalizing here but guys with the
new systems just plug it in and it goes.A
I know you've recommended FAST in the past and I will look at them to
see if they are self learning. My recollection of it from 10 years ago
is that is similar to the TEC3a but I'm not sure if it has been redone
into a more modern system?
Jeff
On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 4:15 PM Julian Kift
<[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>> wrote:
Why? What benefits are you expecting over those the Electromotive ECU
can't offer?
Julian
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Subject: [DeTomaso] New Fuel Injection recommendations
A
I'm finally going to upgrade to a new FI system. Car goes in to our
local
Pantera guru, Mike Ditucci, next week.
I'm currently using an Electromotive system with a single Holley style
throttle body and sequential injection at each inlet valve. I would
like to
keep that setup but upgrade to new well supported system that runs
autonomously, ie, self learning.
Would appreciate any recommendations, thanks.
Happy Holidays,
Jeff Detrich
6559
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[1]https://www.fuelairspark.com/software-downloads
If you install it, you can go to:
HELP:
INDEX
and get a massive amount of information.
You can connect the ECU to the internet and use remote turning services
so you don't need to rely on local support to fix issues, and it is
suppose to be self learning. There is a Facebook group and the Comp
Cams FAST forum:
[2]http://www.cpgnation.com/forum/forums/fast-support-forum.235/
Still installing, so no personal experience.
Some people like the Holley system better so you might want to look
into it.
Ken
On Friday, December 20, 2019, 2:50:35 PM PST, Jeff Detrich
<jjdetrich at gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com>> wrote:
Thanks fur responding Julian. My car starts and runs, but not great.
My
Electromotive TEC3a doesn't have a workable idle control valve
circuit
which I need with a Holley style throttle body - we've tuned around
that problem but still not very good, still uses an old PC serial
connection, requires experts to program and modify (which don't exist
here in Dallas), and their support was horrible until I just gave up.
I
needA something that is reliable, supportable and supported here. I'm
tired of apologizing for it. I do realize that a new system will not
be
as flexible and controllable as the TEC3a but I've had it for 13
years
and it's the same old same old. I'm generalizing here but guys with
the
new systems just plug it in and it goes.A
I know you've recommended FAST in the past and I will look at them to
see if they are self learning. My recollection of it from 10 years
ago
is that is similar to the TEC3a but I'm not sure if it has been
redone
into a more modern system?
Jeff
On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 4:15 PM Julian Kift
<[1][3]julian_kift at hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com>> wrote:
Why? What benefits are you expecting over those the Electromotive ECU
can't offer?
Julian
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Subject: [DeTomaso] New Fuel Injection recommendations
A
I'm finally going to upgrade to a new FI system. Car goes in to our
local
Pantera guru, Mike Ditucci, next week.
I'm currently using an Electromotive system with a single Holley
style
throttle body and sequential injection at each inlet valve. I would
like to
keep that setup but upgrade to new well supported system that runs
autonomously, ie, self learning.
Would appreciate any recommendations, thanks.
Happy Holidays,
Jeff Detrich
6559
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Nice article, thanks for sending, I like the look and ease of the
Inglese 8 stack (more correctly Comp Cams as they hold the Inglese
Trademark and also own the FAST brand, but Jim Inglese is back out on
his own). A shame they didn't get any real HP/Torque numbers on the
Pantera and quoted some generic change from a carburetor to 8 stack on
a big block Chevy where the 8 stack likely added most if not all the
benefits and FAST unit just made it easier to tune.
I think most folks think of the FAST or self learning units as a bolt
on and go, so good to see the qualification that one should still go to
the dyno and tune the EFI to spark curve.
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2019 9:22 AM
To: billmoore6480 <billmoore6480 at gmail.com>
Cc: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; Julian Kift
<julian_kift at hotmail.com>; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Mike 01Ditucci <ditucci at att.net>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Fuel Injection recommendations
Interesting article that I've not seen before. FI for Pantera in Hot
Rod Magazine. 2017.
[1]https://www.hotrod.com/articles/installing-a-fast-ez-efi-and-inglese
s-8v-induction-system-on-a-351-cleveland/
On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 5:37 PM billmoore6480
<[2]billmoore6480 at gmail.com> wrote:
Ken, or you could install a 750 DP
Cheers
Bill Moore
Calgary
4038604300
-------- Original message --------
From: Ken Green via DeTomaso <[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Date: 12/20/19 4:33 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: Julian Kift <[4]julian_kift at hotmail.com>, Jeff Detrich
<[5]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Cc: [6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com, Mike 01Ditucci
<[7]ditucci at att.net>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Fuel Injection recommendations
You can go here and download the free FAST XFI C-COM 2.0 software:
[8]https://www.fuelairspark.com/software-downloads
If you install it, you can go to:
HELP: INDEX
and get a massive amount of information.
You can connect the ECU to the internet and use remote turning services
so you don't need to rely on local support to fix issues, and it is
suppose to be self learning. There is a Facebook group and the Comp
Cams FAST forum:
[9]http://www.cpgnation.com/forum/forums/fast-support-forum.235/
Still installing, so no personal experience.
Some people like the Holley system better so you might want to look
into it.
Ken
On Friday, December 20, 2019, 2:50:35 PM PST, Jeff Detrich
<[10]jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks fur responding Julian. My car starts and runs, but not great.
My
Electromotive TEC3a doesn't have a workable idle control valve
circuit
which I need with a Holley style throttle body - we've tuned around
that problem but still not very good, still uses an old PC serial
connection, requires experts to program and modify (which don't exist
here in Dallas), and their support was horrible until I just gave up.
I
needA something that is reliable, supportable and supported here. I'm
tired of apologizing for it. I do realize that a new system will not
be
as flexible and controllable as the TEC3a but I've had it for 13
years
and it's the same old same old. I'm generalizing here but guys with
the
new systems just plug it in and it goes.A
I know you've recommended FAST in the past and I will look at them to
see if they are self learning. My recollection of it from 10 years
ago
is that is similar to the TEC3a but I'm not sure if it has been
redone
into a more modern system?
Jeff
On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 4:15 PM Julian Kift
<[1][11]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
Why? What benefits are you expecting over those the Electromotive ECU
can't offer?
Julian
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Cc: Mike 01Ditucci <[6][16]ditucci at att.net>
Subject: [DeTomaso] New Fuel Injection recommendations
A
I'm finally going to upgrade to a new FI system. Car goes in to our
local
Pantera guru, Mike Ditucci, next week.
I'm currently using an Electromotive system with a single Holley
style
throttle body and sequential injection at each inlet valve. I would
like to
keep that setup but upgrade to new well supported system that runs
autonomously, ie, self learning.
Would appreciate any recommendations, thanks.
Happy Holidays,
Jeff Detrich
6559
References
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[1][25]https://www.fuelairspark.com/software-downloads
If you install it, you can go to:
HELP:
INDEX
and get a massive amount of information.
You can connect the ECU to the internet and use remote turning
services
so you don't need to rely on local support to fix issues, and it is
suppose to be self learning. There is a Facebook group and the Comp
Cams FAST forum:
[2][26]http://www.cpgnation.com/forum/forums/fast-support-forum.235/
Still installing, so no personal experience.
Some people like the Holley system better so you might want to look
into it.
Ken
On Friday, December 20, 2019, 2:50:35 PM PST, Jeff Detrich
<[27]jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks fur responding Julian. My car starts and runs, but not
great.
My
Electromotive TEC3a doesn't have a workable idle control valve
circuit
which I need with a Holley style throttle body - we've tuned
around
that problem but still not very good, still uses an old PC serial
connection, requires experts to program and modify (which don't
exist
here in Dallas), and their support was horrible until I just gave
up.
I
needA something that is reliable, supportable and supported here.
I'm
tired of apologizing for it. I do realize that a new system will
not
be
as flexible and controllable as the TEC3a but I've had it for 13
years
and it's the same old same old. I'm generalizing here but guys
with
the
new systems just plug it in and it goes.A
I know you've recommended FAST in the past and I will look at them
to
see if they are self learning. My recollection of it from 10 years
ago
is that is similar to the TEC3a but I'm not sure if it has been
redone
into a more modern system?
Jeff
On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 4:15 PM Julian Kift
<[1][3][28]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
Why? What benefits are you expecting over those the Electromotive
ECU
can't offer?
Julian
__________________________________________________________________
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Subject: [DeTomaso] New Fuel Injection recommendations
A
I'm finally going to upgrade to a new FI system. Car goes in to
our
local
Pantera guru, Mike Ditucci, next week.
I'm currently using an Electromotive system with a single Holley
style
throttle body and sequential injection at each inlet valve. I
would
like to
keep that setup but upgrade to new well supported system that runs
autonomously, ie, self learning.
Would appreciate any recommendations, thanks.
Happy Holidays,
Jeff Detrich
6559
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