[DeTomaso] New Fuel Injection recommendations

Ken Green kenn_green at yahoo.com
Sat Dec 21 00:55:42 EST 2019 

 I think the main requirement of a self learning EFI is wide band O2 sensor.  I checked with FAST regarding the cam in my engine to determine if I can run in speed-density mode versus alpha N mode and they said any more radical cam would not have enough vacuum for speed density.   It's 2500 to 6500 RPM, 292 duration,0.56 lift and they said that was OK.


    On Friday, December 20, 2019, 3:43:54 PM PST, Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Just for clarity, that is not the 'FAST' I was recommending, my preference is for DTA Fast out of the UK, obviously not a self learning system and geared towards maximum performance in a competition environment.
https://www.dtafast.co.uk/
I don't know a lot about the self learning systems, but don't they all rely heavily on manifold vacuum to determine engine load? If so, may not be for all the builds using cams with a lot of overlap and producing low vacuum.

Julian

From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 3:33 PM
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>; Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Mike 01Ditucci <ditucci at att.net>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Fuel Injection recommendations You can go here and download the free FAST XFI C-COM 2.0 software:
https://www.fuelairspark.com/software-downloads
If you install it, you can go to:
HELP:        INDEX
and get a massive amount of information.
You can connect the ECU to the internet and use remote turning services so you don't need to rely on local support to fix issues, and it is suppose to be self learning.  There is a Facebook group and the Comp Cams FAST forum:
http://www.cpgnation.com/forum/forums/fast-support-forum.235/



Still installing, so no personal experience.
Some people like the Holley system better so you might want to look into it.

Ken



On Friday, December 20, 2019, 2:50:35 PM PST, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:

  Thanks fur responding Julian. My car starts and runs, but not great. My
  Electromotive TEC3a doesn't have a workable idle control valve circuit
  which I need with a Holley style throttle body - we've tuned around
  that problem but still not very good, still uses an old PC serial
  connection, requires experts to program and modify (which don't exist
  here in Dallas), and their support was horrible until I just gave up. I
  needA something that is reliable, supportable and supported here. I'm
  tired of apologizing for it. I do realize that a new system will not be
  as flexible and controllable as the TEC3a but I've had it for 13 years
  and it's the same old same old. I'm generalizing here but guys with the
  new systems just plug it in and it goes.A
  I know you've recommended FAST in the past and I will look at them to
  see if they are self learning. My recollection of it from 10 years ago
  is that is similar to the TEC3a but I'm not sure if it has been redone
  into a more modern system?
  Jeff

  On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 4:15 PM Julian Kift
  <[1]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:

  Why? What benefits are you expecting over those the Electromotive ECU
  can't offer?
  Julian
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  From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
  of Jeff Detrich <[3]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
  Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 2:07 PM
  To: [4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  <[5]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
  Cc: Mike 01Ditucci <[6]ditucci at att.net>
  Subject: [DeTomaso] New Fuel Injection recommendations
  A
  I'm finally going to upgrade to a new FI system. Car goes in to our
  local
  Pantera guru, Mike Ditucci, next week.
  I'm currently using an Electromotive system with a single Holley style
  throttle body and sequential injection at each inlet valve. I would
  like to
  keep that setup but upgrade to new well supported system that runs
  autonomously, ie, self learning.
  Would appreciate any recommendations, thanks.
  Happy Holidays,
  Jeff Detrich
  6559

References

  1. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
  2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
  3. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
  4. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  5. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  6. mailto:ditucci at att.net
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   I think the main requirement of a self learning EFI is wide band O2
   sensor.  I checked with FAST regarding the cam in my engine to
   determine if I can run in speed-density mode versus alpha N mode and
   they said any more radical cam would not have enough vacuum for speed
   density.   It's 2500 to 6500 RPM, 292 duration,0.56 lift and they said
   that was OK.

   On Friday, December 20, 2019, 3:43:54 PM PST, Julian Kift
   <julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
   Just for clarity, that is not the 'FAST' I was recommending, my
   preference is for DTA Fast out of the UK, obviously not a self learning
   system and geared towards maximum performance in a competition
   environment.
   [1]https://www.dtafast.co.uk/
   I don't know a lot about the self learning systems, but don't they all
   rely heavily on manifold vacuum to determine engine load? If so, may
   not be for all the builds using cams with a lot of overlap and
   producing low vacuum.

   Julian
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
   Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 3:33 PM
   To: Julian Kift <julian_kift at hotmail.com>; Jeff Detrich
   <jjdetrich at gmail.com>
   Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
   <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Mike 01Ditucci <ditucci at att.net>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Fuel Injection recommendations

   You can go here and download the free FAST XFI C-COM 2.0 software:
   [2]https://www.fuelairspark.com/software-downloads
   If you install it, you can go to:
   HELP:
           INDEX
   and get a massive amount of information.
   You can connect the ECU to the internet and use remote turning services
   so you don't need to rely on local support to fix issues, and it is
   suppose to be self learning.  There is a Facebook group and the Comp
   Cams FAST forum:
   [3]http://www.cpgnation.com/forum/forums/fast-support-forum.235/
   Still installing, so no personal experience.
   Some people like the Holley system better so you might want to look
   into it.
   Ken
   On Friday, December 20, 2019, 2:50:35 PM PST, Jeff Detrich
   <jjdetrich at gmail.com> wrote:
     Thanks fur responding Julian. My car starts and runs, but not great.
   My
     Electromotive TEC3a doesn't have a workable idle control valve
   circuit
     which I need with a Holley style throttle body - we've tuned around
     that problem but still not very good, still uses an old PC serial
     connection, requires experts to program and modify (which don't exist
     here in Dallas), and their support was horrible until I just gave up.
   I
     needA something that is reliable, supportable and supported here. I'm
     tired of apologizing for it. I do realize that a new system will not
   be
     as flexible and controllable as the TEC3a but I've had it for 13
   years
     and it's the same old same old. I'm generalizing here but guys with
   the
     new systems just plug it in and it goes.A
     I know you've recommended FAST in the past and I will look at them to
     see if they are self learning. My recollection of it from 10 years
   ago
     is that is similar to the TEC3a but I'm not sure if it has been
   redone
     into a more modern system?
     Jeff
     On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 4:15 PM Julian Kift
     <[1][4]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
     Why? What benefits are you expecting over those the Electromotive ECU
     can't offer?
     Julian
       __________________________________________________________________
     From: DeTomaso <[2][5]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf
     of Jeff Detrich <[3][6]jjdetrich at gmail.com>
     Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 2:07 PM
     To: [4][7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     <[5][8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
     Cc: Mike 01Ditucci <[6][9]ditucci at att.net>
     Subject: [DeTomaso] New Fuel Injection recommendations
     A
     I'm finally going to upgrade to a new FI system. Car goes in to our
     local
     Pantera guru, Mike Ditucci, next week.
     I'm currently using an Electromotive system with a single Holley
   style
     throttle body and sequential injection at each inlet valve. I would
     like to
     keep that setup but upgrade to new well supported system that runs
     autonomously, ie, self learning.
     Would appreciate any recommendations, thanks.
     Happy Holidays,
     Jeff Detrich
     6559
   References
     1. mailto:[10]julian_kift at hotmail.com
     2. mailto:[11]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
     3. mailto:[12]jjdetrich at gmail.com
     4. mailto:[13]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     5. mailto:[14]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
     6. mailto:[15]ditucci at att.net
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References

   1. https://www.dtafast.co.uk/
   2. https://www.fuelairspark.com/software-downloads
   3. http://www.cpgnation.com/forum/forums/fast-support-forum.235/
   4. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
   5. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
   6. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
   7. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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   9. mailto:ditucci at att.net
  10. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com
  11. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com
  12. mailto:jjdetrich at gmail.com
  13. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  14. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
  15. mailto:ditucci at att.net
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