[DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 182, Issue 16
Larry Stock
larrys at panteraparts.com
Sun Aug 18 23:54:54 EDT 2019
It is more about using the proper ESTER 100 oil than the flushing, and then the proper expansion valve.
Larry
From: Bill Cartus <bcartus at yahoo.com>
Date: Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 2:53 PM
To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 182, Issue 16
Larry,
Thanks for that heads up. The system was in place when I purchased the car, so although there are some original "flared" parts, I am trusting that the previous owner(s) did a proper flushing. I am trusting that my flushing of the evaporator and condenser was sufficient, other wise I'll be redoing the entire system. This car and people like you are teaching me a ton in a short amount of ownership time! Much appreciated!
Bill Cartus
#03633
On Sunday, August 18, 2019, 12:59:21 AM EDT, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
The SD-7 is a O-Ring Fitting PAG oil filled R-134 compressor. The Pantera system is a Flare fitting with mineral oil in the original R-12 system. The SD-5 is R-12/R-134 compressor used with flare hose fittings and typically makes a easier conversion for the Pantera when the oil is changed to ester 100 compressor oil. The SD-7 PAG oil is not compatible with residual mineral oils left over in the original Pantera A/C System. BIG CAUTION HERE, DO NOT USE PAG OIL IN A FORMER MINERAL OIL A/C SYSTEM. It will 3X to decontaminate when it clogs with contamination with the reaction between the two oils.
Larry Stock
On 8/17/19, 9:41 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Bill Cartus via DeTomaso" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Larry Finch, regarding the Sanden SD-7 A/C compressor I purchaes from
Summit Racing. The box says "Sanden" so I believe I have the genuine
unit. On my condenser, I managed to flush it completely and got goot
air flow, so have remounted it and have it back together. I pulled a
solid vacuum today and everything looks good. The issue now is how much
oil and R134A freon to add. Will call Billet on Monday for that. I was
told by a Summit tech that I needed to watch the gauges for temp and
pressure since the old R-12 method using the 'glass eye' was not used
on R134A. Trying to stay cool with the delay.
Bill Cartus
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1. Re: A/C Condenser Replacement (Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 12:56:46 -0400
From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <[7]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
To: <[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A/C Condenser Replacement
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Any one use a variable stroke compressor?
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From: DeTomaso [mailto:[9]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf Of Larry Stock
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2019 11:25 AM
To: Larry Finch; Email List Address For Posting
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A/C Condenser Replacement
SD-5 is the original flare fitting compressor, the SD-7 is the one we
use for converting to 0-ring seals.
Larry Stock
?On 8/15/19, 11:15 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
<[10]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Bill,
You used the term ?billet? when referring to your compressor. This
tells me you likely have a fancy, hot rod billet chromed compressor
which looks like a genuine Sanden but unless the market has changed
recently, is sadly a low quality china knock off. Since your first
compressor did actually fail, this leads me to even more firmly believe
you should not replace your compressor with another of the same.
I strongly suggest you seek out a genuine Sanden SD-7 compressor or
be prepared to revisit the compressor failure you are currently dealing
with.
My 2?.
Good luck,
Larry
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 19:19:36 +0000 (UTC)
From: [16]jderyke at aol.com
To: [17]coreyjprice at gmail.com, [18]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Window Motor Upgrade
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FWIW, Ted told me a good part of the 'profit' is in buying the factory
hydraulic cable crimper so as to reliably shorten the donor car's
too-long drive cable length and still have a 'factory-dependable'
connection. The kit included new window guides, all-stainless hardware
and plug-&-play electrics to stock door looms. It's also 8 lbs off each
door's weight and runs the glass all the way down a measured 3X faster,
without strain. Got mine at full price over 15 years ago and no
problems yet. No regrets, either.? J DeRyke
Rick Mitchell is still selling them.
I paid the same. Having seen both stock and the Vader units, I was
sold. So smooth and fast comparatively speaking. Plus, you don't have
to spend lots of time filing, grinding and modifying the stock
regulator and window assembly to go all the way down.
It is pricey. Kirk Evans told me how much profit margin he thought
there is in the kits, yet not critical of the actual product.
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From: Corey Price <[20]coreyjprice at gmail.com>
To: Julian Kift <[21]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: Detomaso List <[22]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Thu, Aug 15, 2019 8:36 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Window Motor Upgrade
Rick Mitchell is still selling them.
I paid the same. Having seen both stock and the Vader units, I was
sold. So smooth and fast comparatively speaking. Plus, you don't have
to spend lots of time filing, grinding and modifying the stock
regulator and window assembly to go all the way down.
It is pricey. Kirk Evans told me how much profit margin he thought
there is in the kits, yet not critical of the actual product.
Corey
> On Aug 15, 2019, at 9:27 PM, Julian Kift
<[23]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> They are still that price from Vader and a quality bolt on upgrade.
All I?m saying is they are not hard to reverse engineer if one is so
inclined and able to execute some fabrication work.
>
> Julian
>
>> On Aug 15, 2019, at 20:23, Richard Greenblum
<[24]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
>>
>> I must have bought at the wrong time?I think I paid about $750 for
the full setup.
>>
>> Richard
>> Austin, TX
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Aug 15, 2019, at 21:49, Julian Kift
<[25]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> His son was advertising them on the PI Forum a little while back.
The unit is a fairly standard one that if I recall correctly can be had
for ~$40 a side and then some minimal fab work required if you are so
inclined.
>>>
>>> Julian
>>>
>>>> On Aug 15, 2019, at 19:46, Richard Greenblum
<[26]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I don?t know if Ted?s Vader products are still available, but I
went with his window units years ago. They are as good as advertised.
Fast and powerful.
>>>>
>>>> Richard
>>>> Austin, TX
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 15, 2019, at 21:28, wayne boian
<[27]wayneboian at windstream.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thinking about doing that my self. That project has moved up on
my to-do list. Looking forward to see comments from others.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wayne in KY
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/15/2019 10:22 PM, Sean Keane wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd like to upgrade my Pantera window motors, and don't know
whether to go the Windstar route or the Taurus route. What are the pros
and cons of each? Does anyone sell a kit so that I can be sure that
I'll get the correct motors (four lug vs. three lug for Aerostar, etc.)
Thank for any help!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> J. Sean Keane
>>>>>>
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FWIW, Ted told me a good part of the 'profit' is in buying the
factory
hydraulic cable crimper so as to reliably shorten the donor car's
too-long drive cable length and still have a 'factory-dependable'
connection. The kit included new window guides, all-stainless
hardware
and plug-&-play electrics to stock door looms. It's also 8 lbs off
each
door's weight and runs the glass all the way down a measured 3X
faster,
without strain. Got mine at full price over 15 years ago and no
problems yet. No regrets, either. J DeRyke
Rick Mitchell is still selling them.
I paid the same. Having seen both stock and the Vader units, I was
sold. So smooth and fast comparatively speaking. Plus, you don't
have to spend lots of time filing, grinding and modifying the stock
regulator and window assembly to go all the way down.
It is pricey. Kirk Evans told me how much profit margin he thought
there is in the kits, yet not critical of the actual product.
-----Original Message-----
From: Corey Price <[40]coreyjprice at gmail.com>
To: Julian Kift <[41]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: Detomaso List <[42]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Thu, Aug 15, 2019 8:36 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Window Motor Upgrade
Rick Mitchell is still selling them.
I paid the same. Having seen both stock and the Vader units, I was
sold. So smooth and fast comparatively speaking. Plus, you don't have
to spend lots of time filing, grinding and modifying the stock
regulator and window assembly to go all the way down.
It is pricey. Kirk Evans told me how much profit margin he thought
there is in the kits, yet not critical of the actual product.
Corey
> On Aug 15, 2019, at 9:27 PM, Julian Kift
<[1][43]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> They are still that price from Vader and a quality bolt on upgrade.
All Iam saying is they are not hard to reverse engineer if one is so
inclined and able to execute some fabrication work.
>
> Julian
>
>> On Aug 15, 2019, at 20:23, Richard Greenblum
<[2][44]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
>>
>> I must have bought at the wrong timeaI think I paid about $750 for
the full setup.
>>
>> Richard
>> Austin, TX
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Aug 15, 2019, at 21:49, Julian Kift
<[3][45]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
>>>
>>> His son was advertising them on the PI Forum a little while back.
The unit is a fairly standard one that if I recall correctly can be
had
for ~$40 a side and then some minimal fab work required if you are so
inclined.
>>>
>>> Julian
>>>
>>>> On Aug 15, 2019, at 19:46, Richard Greenblum
<[4][46]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I donat know if Tedas Vader products are still available, but I
went with his window units years ago. They are as good as advertised.
Fast and powerful.
>>>>
>>>> Richard
>>>> Austin, TX
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 15, 2019, at 21:28, wayne boian
<[5][47]wayneboian at windstream.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thinking about doing that my self. That project has moved up on
my to-do list. Looking forward to see comments from others.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wayne in KY
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/15/2019 10:22 PM, Sean Keane wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd like to upgrade my Pantera window motors, and don't know
whether to go the Windstar route or the Taurus route. What are the
pros
and cons of each? Does anyone sell a kit so that I can be sure that
I'll get the correct motors (four lug vs. three lug for Aerostar,
etc.)
Thank for any help!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> J. Sean Keane
>>>>>>
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 14:45:55 -0700
From: Dan Courtney <[77]dan at excaliburre.com>
To: [78]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Monterey
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Hello old friends, what's going on in Monterey this weekend?
I saw the new DeTomaso at Quail. Pretty darn sleek.
Sent from my Verizon Motorola Smartphone
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Hello old friends, what's going on in Monterey this weekend?
I saw the new DeTomaso at Quail. Pretty darn sleek.
Sent from my Verizon Motorola Smartphone
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 14:56:10 -0700
From: Dan Courtney <[80]dan at excaliburre.com>
To: [81]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Monterey
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Check out these pics of the brand spankn new DeTomaso
Https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPxarGCsGOtfCUeLTA4CQeomD_tpMlmUfM
5DG7luZ9Yy5jOjvynDJ2dWNpMtV1dig?key=dzNOeHZ0U1o3RU9FOE9aQkQ5NWVGcG5aNzJ
LVDhR
On Aug 16, 2019 2:45 PM, Dan Courtney <[83]dan at excaliburre.com> wrote:
>
> Hello old friends, what's going on in Monterey this weekend?
> I saw the new DeTomaso at Quail. Pretty darn sleek.
>
> Sent from my Verizon Motorola Smartphone
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Check out these pics of the brand spankn new DeTomaso
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UfM5DG7luZ9Yy5jOjvynDJ2dWNpMtV1dig?key=dzNOeHZ0U1o3RU9FOE9aQkQ5NWVGcG5a
NzJLVDhR
On Aug 16, 2019 2:45 PM, Dan Courtney <[84]dan at excaliburre.com>
wrote:
Hello old friends, what's going on in Monterey this weekend?
I saw the new DeTomaso at Quail. Pretty darn sleek.
Sent from my Verizon Motorola Smartphone
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 23:38:23 -0700
From: Mike Drew <[86]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: De Tomaso Forum <[87]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday,
August 17, 2019
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All,
Steal of the century IMHO, this is the first time an Si has been
offered for sale in the USA.
[89]https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo19/monterey/lots/r0077-1990-de
tomaso-pantera-si/781352
It?s my understanding that this car sold to the US seller from a
European dealer last year for considerably more money, plus he had to
ship it to the US, pay import taxes etc. So I think he took quite a
haircut here.
Very well-bought I think. Probably because the buying public at large
is ignorant about how really different and special the Si cars are
compared to all preceding models.
Mike
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> Portfolio Report Saturday, August 17, 2019
> Pantera
> 1.
> 1990 DeTomaso SOLD $215,000 USD
> Pantera Si EST. PRICE $275K-$325K USD
> EXTERIOR Rosso Corsa
> RM SOTHEBY'S
> INTERIOR Beige
> Lot 210 Monterey
> ODOMETER 48862 km
> CHASSIS N? ZDT874000LA009609
> August 16, 2019 9:19PM (EST)
> De Tomaso
> 1.
> 1990 DeTomaso SOLD $215,000 USD
> Pantera Si EST. PRICE $275K-$325K USD
> EXTERIOR Rosso Corsa
> RM SOTHEBY'S
> INTERIOR Beige
> Lot 210 Monterey
> ODOMETER 48862 km
> CHASSIS N? ZDT874000LA009609
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All,
Steal of the century IMHO, this is the first time an Si has been
offered for sale in the USA.
[1][92]https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo19/monterey/lots/r0077-1990
-det
omaso-pantera-si/781352
It's my understanding that this car sold to the US seller from a
European dealer last year for considerably more money, plus he had to
ship it to the US, pay import taxes etc. So I think he took quite a
haircut here.
Very well-bought I think. Probably because the buying public at
large
is ignorant about how really different and special the Si cars are
compared to all preceding models.
Mike
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Hammer Price : Auction Results In Real Time
Portfolio Report Saturday, August 17, 2019
Pantera
1.
1990 DeTomaso Sold $215,000 USD
Pantera Si EST. PRICE $275K-$325K USD
EXTERIOR Rosso Corsa
RM Sotheby's
INTERIOR Beige
Lot 210 Monterey
ODOMETER 48862 km
CHASSIS N-o ZDT874000LA009609
August 16, 2019 9:19PM (EST)
De Tomaso
1.
1990 DeTomaso Sold $215,000 USD
Pantera Si EST. PRICE $275K-$325K USD
EXTERIOR Rosso Corsa
RM Sotheby's
INTERIOR Beige
Lot 210 Monterey
ODOMETER 48862 km
CHASSIS N-o ZDT874000LA009609
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It is more about using the proper ESTER 100 oil than the flushing, and
then the proper expansion valve.
Larry
From: Bill Cartus <bcartus at yahoo.com>
Date: Sunday, August 18, 2019 at 2:53 PM
To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com"
<detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>, Larry Stock
<larrys at panteraparts.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 182, Issue 16
Larry,
Thanks for that heads up. The system was in place when I purchased the
car, so although there are some original "flared" parts, I am trusting
that the previous owner(s) did a proper flushing. I am trusting that
my flushing of the evaporator and condenser was sufficient, other wise
I'll be redoing the entire system. This car and people like you are
teaching me a ton in a short amount of ownership time! Much
appreciated!
Bill Cartus
#03633
On Sunday, August 18, 2019, 12:59:21 AM EDT, Larry Stock
<larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
The SD-7 is a O-Ring Fitting PAG oil filled R-134 compressor. The
Pantera system is a Flare fitting with mineral oil in the original R-12
system. The SD-5 is R-12/R-134 compressor used with flare hose fittings
and typically makes a easier conversion for the Pantera when the oil is
changed to ester 100 compressor oil. The SD-7 PAG oil is not compatible
with residual mineral oils left over in the original Pantera A/C
System. BIG CAUTION HERE, DO NOT USE PAG OIL IN A FORMER MINERAL OIL
A/C SYSTEM. It will 3X to decontaminate when it clogs with
contamination with the reaction between the two oils.
Larry Stock
On 8/17/19, 9:41 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Bill Cartus via DeTomaso"
<[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Larry Finch, regarding the Sanden SD-7 A/C compressor I purchaes
from
Summit Racing. The box says "Sanden" so I believe I have the
genuine
unit. On my condenser, I managed to flush it completely and got
goot
air flow, so have remounted it and have it back together. I
pulled a
solid vacuum today and everything looks good. The issue now is
how much
oil and R134A freon to add. Will call Billet on Monday for that.
I was
told by a Summit tech that I needed to watch the gauges for temp
and
pressure since the old R-12 method using the 'glass eye' was not
used
on R134A. Trying to stay cool with the delay.
Bill Cartus
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 12:56:46 -0400
From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <[7][10]byrdjf at embarqmail.com>
To: <[8][11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A/C Condenser Replacement
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Any one use a variable stroke compressor?
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[mailto:[9][12]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
Behalf Of Larry Stock
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2019 11:25 AM
To: Larry Finch; Email List Address For Posting
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A/C Condenser Replacement
SD-5 is the original flare fitting compressor, the SD-7 is the
one we
use for converting to 0-ring seals.
Larry Stock
?On 8/15/19, 11:15 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Larry Finch via
DeTomaso"
<[10][13]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[11][14]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Bill,
You used the term ?billet? when referring to your compressor.
This
tells me you likely have a fancy, hot rod billet chromed
compressor
which looks like a genuine Sanden but unless the market has
changed
recently, is sadly a low quality china knock off. Since your
first
compressor did actually fail, this leads me to even more firmly
believe
you should not replace your compressor with another of the same.
I strongly suggest you seek out a genuine Sanden SD-7
compressor or
be prepared to revisit the compressor failure you are currently
dealing
with.
My 2?.
Good luck,
Larry
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From: [16][19]jderyke at aol.com
To: [17][20]coreyjprice at gmail.com,
[18][21]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Window Motor Upgrade
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FWIW, Ted told me a good part of the 'profit' is in buying the
factory
hydraulic cable crimper so as to reliably shorten the donor car's
too-long drive cable length and still have a 'factory-dependable'
connection. The kit included new window guides, all-stainless
hardware
and plug-&-play electrics to stock door looms. It's also 8 lbs
off each
door's weight and runs the glass all the way down a measured 3X
faster,
without strain. Got mine at full price over 15 years ago and no
problems yet. No regrets, either.? J DeRyke
Rick Mitchell is still selling them.
I paid the same. Having seen both stock and the Vader units, I
was
sold. So smooth and fast comparatively speaking. Plus, you don't
have
to spend lots of time filing, grinding and modifying the stock
regulator and window assembly to go all the way down.
It is pricey. Kirk Evans told me how much profit margin he
thought
there is in the kits, yet not critical of the actual product.
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From: Corey Price <[20][23]coreyjprice at gmail.com>
To: Julian Kift <[21][24]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
Cc: Detomaso List <[22][25]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Sent: Thu, Aug 15, 2019 8:36 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Window Motor Upgrade
Rick Mitchell is still selling them.
I paid the same. Having seen both stock and the Vader units, I
was
sold. So smooth and fast comparatively speaking. Plus, you don't
have
to spend lots of time filing, grinding and modifying the stock
regulator and window assembly to go all the way down.
It is pricey. Kirk Evans told me how much profit margin he
thought
there is in the kits, yet not critical of the actual product.
Corey
> On Aug 15, 2019, at 9:27 PM, Julian Kift
<[23][26]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> They are still that price from Vader and a quality bolt on
upgrade.
All I?m saying is they are not hard to reverse engineer if one is
so
inclined and able to execute some fabrication work.
>
> Julian
>
>> On Aug 15, 2019, at 20:23, Richard Greenblum
<[24][27]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
>>
>> I must have bought at the wrong time?I think I paid about $750
for
the full setup.
>>
>> Richard
>> Austin, TX
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Aug 15, 2019, at 21:49, Julian Kift
<[25][28]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> His son was advertising them on the PI Forum a little while
back.
The unit is a fairly standard one that if I recall correctly can
be had
for ~$40 a side and then some minimal fab work required if you
are so
inclined.
>>>
>>> Julian
>>>
>>>> On Aug 15, 2019, at 19:46, Richard Greenblum
<[26][29]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I don?t know if Ted?s Vader products are still available,
but I
went with his window units years ago. They are as good as
advertised.
Fast and powerful.
>>>>
>>>> Richard
>>>> Austin, TX
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 15, 2019, at 21:28, wayne boian
<[27][30]wayneboian at windstream.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thinking about doing that my self. That project has moved
up on
my to-do list. Looking forward to see comments from others.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wayne in KY
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/15/2019 10:22 PM, Sean Keane wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd like to upgrade my Pantera window motors, and don't
know
whether to go the Windstar route or the Taurus route. What are
the pros
and cons of each? Does anyone sell a kit so that I can be sure
that
I'll get the correct motors (four lug vs. three lug for Aerostar,
etc.)
Thank for any help!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> J. Sean Keane
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factory
hydraulic cable crimper so as to reliably shorten the donor
car's
too-long drive cable length and still have a
'factory-dependable'
connection. The kit included new window guides, all-stainless
hardware
and plug-&-play electrics to stock door looms. It's also 8 lbs
off
each
door's weight and runs the glass all the way down a measured 3X
faster,
without strain. Got mine at full price over 15 years ago and no
problems yet. No regrets, either. J DeRyke
Rick Mitchell is still selling them.
I paid the same. Having seen both stock and the Vader units,
I was
sold. So smooth and fast comparatively speaking. Plus, you
don't
have to spend lots of time filing, grinding and modifying the
stock
regulator and window assembly to go all the way down.
It is pricey. Kirk Evans told me how much profit margin he
thought
there is in the kits, yet not critical of the actual product.
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From: Corey Price <[40][43]coreyjprice at gmail.com>
To: Julian Kift <[41][44]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
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Rick Mitchell is still selling them.
I paid the same. Having seen both stock and the Vader units, I
was
sold. So smooth and fast comparatively speaking. Plus, you
don't have
to spend lots of time filing, grinding and modifying the stock
regulator and window assembly to go all the way down.
It is pricey. Kirk Evans told me how much profit margin he
thought
there is in the kits, yet not critical of the actual product.
Corey
> On Aug 15, 2019, at 9:27 PM, Julian Kift
<[1][43][46]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
> They are still that price from Vader and a quality bolt on
upgrade.
All Iam saying is they are not hard to reverse engineer if one
is so
inclined and able to execute some fabrication work.
>
> Julian
>
>> On Aug 15, 2019, at 20:23, Richard Greenblum
<[2][44][47]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
>>
>> I must have bought at the wrong timeaI think I paid about
$750 for
the full setup.
>>
>> Richard
>> Austin, TX
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Aug 15, 2019, at 21:49, Julian Kift
<[3][45][48]julian_kift at hotmail.com>
wrote:
>>>
>>> His son was advertising them on the PI Forum a little while
back.
The unit is a fairly standard one that if I recall correctly
can be
had
for ~$40 a side and then some minimal fab work required if you
are so
inclined.
>>>
>>> Julian
>>>
>>>> On Aug 15, 2019, at 19:46, Richard Greenblum
<[4][46][49]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I donat know if Tedas Vader products are still available,
but I
went with his window units years ago. They are as good as
advertised.
Fast and powerful.
>>>>
>>>> Richard
>>>> Austin, TX
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 15, 2019, at 21:28, wayne boian
<[5][47][50]wayneboian at windstream.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thinking about doing that my self. That project has moved
up on
my to-do list. Looking forward to see comments from others.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wayne in KY
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/15/2019 10:22 PM, Sean Keane wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd like to upgrade my Pantera window motors, and don't
know
whether to go the Windstar route or the Taurus route. What are
the
pros
and cons of each? Does anyone sell a kit so that I can be sure
that
I'll get the correct motors (four lug vs. three lug for
Aerostar,
etc.)
Thank for any help!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> J. Sean Keane
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 14:45:55 -0700
From: Dan Courtney <[77][80]dan at excaliburre.com>
To: [78][81]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
Subject: [DeTomaso] Monterey
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Hello old friends, what's going on in Monterey this weekend?
I saw the new DeTomaso at Quail. Pretty darn sleek.
Sent from my Verizon Motorola Smartphone
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Hello old friends, what's going on in Monterey this weekend?
I saw the new DeTomaso at Quail. Pretty darn sleek.
Sent from my Verizon Motorola Smartphone
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 14:56:10 -0700
From: Dan Courtney <[80][83]dan at excaliburre.com>
To: [81][84]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com
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Check out these pics of the brand spankn new DeTomaso
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On Aug 16, 2019 2:45 PM, Dan Courtney
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> Hello old friends, what's going on in Monterey this weekend?
> I saw the new DeTomaso at Quail. Pretty darn sleek.
>
> Sent from my Verizon Motorola Smartphone
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Check out these pics of the brand spankn new DeTomaso
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On Aug 16, 2019 2:45 PM, Dan Courtney
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Hello old friends, what's going on in Monterey this weekend?
I saw the new DeTomaso at Quail. Pretty darn sleek.
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 23:38:23 -0700
From: Mike Drew <[86][89]MikeLDrew at aol.com>
To: De Tomaso Forum <[87][90]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Hammer Price Portfolio Report -
Saturday,
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All,
Steal of the century IMHO, this is the first time an Si has been
offered for sale in the USA.
[89][92]https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo19/monterey/lots/r0077-199
0-de
tomaso-pantera-si/781352
It?s my understanding that this car sold to the US seller from a
European dealer last year for considerably more money, plus he
had to
ship it to the US, pay import taxes etc. So I think he took quite
a
haircut here.
Very well-bought I think. Probably because the buying public at
large
is ignorant about how really different and special the Si cars
are
compared to all preceding models.
Mike
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> Subject: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday, August 17,
2019
>
>
>
> Portfolio Report Saturday, August 17, 2019
> Pantera
> 1.
> 1990 DeTomaso SOLD $215,000 USD
> Pantera Si EST. PRICE $275K-$325K USD
> EXTERIOR Rosso Corsa
> RM SOTHEBY'S
> INTERIOR Beige
> Lot 210 Monterey
> ODOMETER 48862 km
> CHASSIS N? ZDT874000LA009609
> August 16, 2019 9:19PM (EST)
> De Tomaso
> 1.
> 1990 DeTomaso SOLD $215,000 USD
> Pantera Si EST. PRICE $275K-$325K USD
> EXTERIOR Rosso Corsa
> RM SOTHEBY'S
> INTERIOR Beige
> Lot 210 Monterey
> ODOMETER 48862 km
> CHASSIS N? ZDT874000LA009609
> August 16, 2019 9:19PM (EST)
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All,
Steal of the century IMHO, this is the first time an Si has
been
offered for sale in the USA.
[1][92][95]https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/mo19/monterey/lots/r0077-
1990
-det
omaso-pantera-si/781352
It's my understanding that this car sold to the US seller from
a
European dealer last year for considerably more money, plus he
had to
ship it to the US, pay import taxes etc. So I think he took
quite a
haircut here.
Very well-bought I think. Probably because the buying public
at
large
is ignorant about how really different and special the Si cars
are
compared to all preceding models.
Mike
Sent from my iPad
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Date: August 16, 2019 at 23:05:23 PDT
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Subject: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Saturday, August 17,
2019
Hammer Price : Auction Results In Real Time
Portfolio Report Saturday, August 17, 2019
Pantera
1.
1990 DeTomaso Sold $215,000 USD
Pantera Si EST. PRICE $275K-$325K USD
EXTERIOR Rosso Corsa
RM Sotheby's
INTERIOR Beige
Lot 210 Monterey
ODOMETER 48862 km
CHASSIS N-o ZDT874000LA009609
August 16, 2019 9:19PM (EST)
De Tomaso
1.
1990 DeTomaso Sold $215,000 USD
Pantera Si EST. PRICE $275K-$325K USD
EXTERIOR Rosso Corsa
RM Sotheby's
INTERIOR Beige
Lot 210 Monterey
ODOMETER 48862 km
CHASSIS N-o ZDT874000LA009609
August 16, 2019 9:19PM (EST)
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