[DeTomaso] Arriva Tires?
Mike Drew
MikeLDrew at aol.com
Sun Aug 11 22:56:37 EDT 2019
Chuck,
1982 TV commercial for the all-season Arriva radials:
https://youtu.be/ez5yu21ECnk
Mike
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> On Aug 11, 2019, at 19:52, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> Chuck,
>
> The original Arriva was only made in two sizes and was made only for use on the Pantera. Goodyear later used the name on a low-performance line of touring radial tires but they had no relation to ‘our’ Arrivas.
>
> I have been told (but can’t confirm) that the original Pantera Arriva was simply a DOT street-legal version of the tire used by Ford on the 1967 Le Mans-winning GT Mk IV.
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Aug 11, 2019, at 14:02, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Marshall,
>>
>>
>> I completely agree with the understeer characteristic.
>> Dumb questions: Did any other car use Arrivas as OEM? Were sold to
>> the general public?
>>
>>
>> I suspect that with the name of Arriva, it is plausible
>> that Ford had Goodyear (?) make them for the Italian DeTomaso Pantera.
>>
>>
>> Interesting, Chuck Engles
>>
>>
>> PS: when I used the P7s, I did notice the improvement over the Arrivas
>>
>>
>> From: marshallgsmith [mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net]
>> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 10:58 AM
>> To: Charles Engles; 'Jeff Cobb'; 'Scott Mead Photography'
>> Cc: 'Detomaso List'
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Arriva Tires?
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey Chuck,
>>
>>
>> I had always heard that the Arrivas were designed for the car to make
>> it understeer due to Ford's concern and fear that the car would
>> oversteer severely because of the power at the hands of inexperienced
>> drivers.
>>
>>
>> My experience with the car shod with Arrivas was exactly that. You'd
>> come to a turn and the car would just keep going straight no matter how
>> much steering input. They were horrible.
>>
>>
>> My first drive with the Pantera wearing BF Goodrich Tires sometime in
>> the late 1970s made it a completely different and well handling car. It
>> was finally thrilling to drive!!
>>
>>
>> Marshall
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>>
>> From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
>>
>> Date: 8/11/19 8:23 AM (GMT-08:00)
>>
>> To: 'Jeff Cobb' <jeffcobb1 at me.com>, 'Scott Mead Photography'
>> <scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
>>
>> Cc: 'Detomaso List' <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Arriva Tires?
>>
>>
>> Dear Scott,
>> So, do I understand correctly that the recapped Arrivas
>> were
>> judged to be better than their original incarnation??
>> Dear Jeff,
>> That anecdote confirms the stateside opinion of the
>> Arrivas.
>> I wonder what the actual story of the Arrivas is: purpose, tire
>> engineering
>> and sales strategy?
>> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jeff Cobb [mailto:jeffcobb1 at me.com]
>> Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 2:02 AM
>> To: Scott Mead Photography
>> Cc: Jeff Cobb; Charles Engles; Detomaso List
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Arriva Tires?
>> Tom Tjaarda said he never understood why those horrible Arriva tires
>> ever
>> wound up on the Pantera.
>> Also said that boss DeTomaso spent much time in court and with lawyers
>> because of all the lawsuits
>> created by those tires causing accidents.
>> Jeff Cobb
>> On Aug 10, 2019, at 10:22 PM, Scott Mead Photography
>> <scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
>>> Chuck - Sometime in the late '70s, remember my father had worn his
>> Arrivas
>> down to the bare minimum, then taking the car to Caldwell Tire to have
>> the
>> tires recapped. The newly minted Arrivas were a vast improvement.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Aug 10, 2019, at 11:54 AM, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Corey,
>>>>
>>>> Egad. I can remember driving on them in the late
>> eighties.
>>>> They weren't roadworthy then either. Poor old Arrivas. Perhaps
>> someone
>>>> will take them for a strict stock original Pantera for display
>> purposes.
>>>>
>>>> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On
>> Behalf
>>>> Of Corey Price
>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2019 1:43 PM
>>>> To: Detomaso List
>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Arriva Tires?
>>>>
>>>> I have a pair of front Arriva tires that I was about to have to pay
>> a fee
>> to
>>>> recycle. Does anyone want them? They are free (you pay shipping). I
>> will
>>>> recycle them if nobody wants them. They are old and no longer road
>> worthy.
>>>>
>>>>
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Chuck,
1982 TV commercial for the all-season Arriva radials:
[1]https://youtu.be/ez5yu21ECnk
Mike
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 11, 2019, at 19:52, Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Chuck,
The original Arriva was only made in two sizes and was made only for
use on the Pantera. Goodyear later used the name on a low-performance
line of touring radial tires but they had no relation to `our' Arrivas.
I have been told (but can't confirm) that the original Pantera Arriva
was simply a DOT street-legal version of the tire used by Ford on the
1967 Le Mans-winning GT Mk IV.
Mike
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 11, 2019, at 14:02, Charles Engles <[3]cengles at cox.net>
wrote:
Dear Marshall,
I completely agree with the understeer characteristic.
Dumb questions: Did any other car use Arrivas as OEM? Were sold
to
the general public?
I suspect that with the name of Arriva, it is
plausible
that Ford had Goodyear (?) make them for the Italian DeTomaso
Pantera.
Interesting, Chuck Engles
PS: when I used the P7s, I did notice the improvement over the
Arrivas
From: marshallgsmith [[4]mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 10:58 AM
To: Charles Engles; 'Jeff Cobb'; 'Scott Mead Photography'
Cc: 'Detomaso List'
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Arriva Tires?
Hey Chuck,
I had always heard that the Arrivas were designed for the car to
make
it understeer due to Ford's concern and fear that the car would
oversteer severely because of the power at the hands of
inexperienced
drivers.
My experience with the car shod with Arrivas was exactly that.
You'd
come to a turn and the car would just keep going straight no matter
how
much steering input. They were horrible.
My first drive with the Pantera wearing BF Goodrich Tires sometime
in
the late 1970s made it a completely different and well handling
car. It
was finally thrilling to drive!!
Marshall
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: Charles Engles <[5]cengles at cox.net>
Date: 8/11/19 8:23 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: 'Jeff Cobb' <[6]jeffcobb1 at me.com>, 'Scott Mead Photography'
<[7]scott at scottmeadphotography.com>
Cc: 'Detomaso List' <[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Arriva Tires?
Dear Scott,
So, do I understand correctly that the recapped
Arrivas
were
judged to be better than their original incarnation??
Dear Jeff,
That anecdote confirms the stateside opinion of the
Arrivas.
I wonder what the actual story of the Arrivas is: purpose, tire
engineering
and sales strategy?
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Cobb [[9]mailto:jeffcobb1 at me.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2019 2:02 AM
To: Scott Mead Photography
Cc: Jeff Cobb; Charles Engles; Detomaso List
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Arriva Tires?
Tom Tjaarda said he never understood why those horrible Arriva
tires
ever
wound up on the Pantera.
Also said that boss DeTomaso spent much time in court and with
lawyers
because of all the lawsuits
created by those tires causing accidents.
Jeff Cobb
On Aug 10, 2019, at 10:22 PM, Scott Mead Photography
<[10]scott at scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
Chuck - Sometime in the late '70s, remember my father had worn his
Arrivas
down to the bare minimum, then taking the car to Caldwell Tire to
have
the
tires recapped. The newly minted Arrivas were a vast improvement.
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 10, 2019, at 11:54 AM, Charles Engles <[11]cengles at cox.net>
wrote:
Dear Corey,
Egad. I can remember driving on them in the late
eighties.
They weren't roadworthy then either. Poor old Arrivas. Perhaps
someone
will take them for a strict stock original Pantera for display
purposes.
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
-----Original Message-----
From: DeTomaso [[12]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
On
Behalf
Of Corey Price
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2019 1:43 PM
To: Detomaso List
Subject: [DeTomaso] Arriva Tires?
I have a pair of front Arriva tires that I was about to have to pay
a fee
to
recycle. Does anyone want them? They are free (you pay shipping). I
will
recycle them if nobody wants them. They are old and no longer road
worthy.
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