From MikeLDrew at aol.com Mon Apr 1 01:19:09 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 22:19:09 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Sunday, March 31, 2019 References: <20190331060129.41240.66970@backend.hammerpricelive.com> Message-ID: <95467ADD-EE52-4EA5-8C45-129A7A7609F5@aol.com> All, Somebody STOLE this GT5-S! https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/fl19/fort-lauderdale/lots/r0144-1985-de-tomaso-pantera-gt5-s/744997 Put euro bumpers on it, put it on a boat across the Atlantic and it?s a $250k car..... Mike Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: > From: info at hammerpricelive.com > Date: March 30, 2019 at 11:01:29 PM PDT > To: MikeLDrew at aol.com > Subject: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Sunday, March 31, 2019 > > > > Portfolio Report Sunday, March 31, 2019 > Pantera > 1. > 1985 DeTomaso SOLD $145,000 USD > Pantera GT5-S EST. PRICE $140K-$180K USD > EXTERIOR White > RM SOTHEBY'S > INTERIOR Black > Lot 3120 Fort Lauderdale > ODOMETER 37831 mi > CHASSIS N? ZDT874000FA009385 > March 30, 2019 3:45PM (EST) > De Tomaso > 1. > 1985 DeTomaso SOLD $145,000 USD > Pantera GT5-S EST. PRICE $140K-$180K USD > EXTERIOR White > RM SOTHEBY'S > INTERIOR Black > Lot 3120 Fort Lauderdale > ODOMETER 37831 mi > CHASSIS N? ZDT874000FA009385 > March 30, 2019 3:45PM (EST) > Too much mail? Adjust your Hammer Price notification preferences in the app using Settings. > ? 2018 Live Auction Results, LLC -------------- next part -------------- All, Somebody STOLE this GT5-S! [1]https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/fl19/fort-lauderdale/lots/r0144-1 985-de-tomaso-pantera-gt5-s/744997 Put euro bumpers on it, put it on a boat across the Atlantic and it's a $250k car..... Mike Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: From: [2]info at hammerpricelive.com Date: March 30, 2019 at 11:01:29 PM PDT To: [3]MikeLDrew at aol.com Subject: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Sunday, March 31, 2019 Hammer Price : Auction Results In Real Time Portfolio Report Sunday, March 31, 2019 Pantera 1. 1985 DeTomaso Sold $145,000 USD Pantera GT5-S EST. PRICE $140K-$180K USD EXTERIOR White RM Sotheby's INTERIOR Black Lot 3120 Fort Lauderdale ODOMETER 37831 mi CHASSIS N-o ZDT874000FA009385 March 30, 2019 3:45PM (EST) De Tomaso 1. 1985 DeTomaso Sold $145,000 USD Pantera GT5-S EST. PRICE $140K-$180K USD EXTERIOR White RM Sotheby's INTERIOR Black Lot 3120 Fort Lauderdale ODOMETER 37831 mi CHASSIS N-o ZDT874000FA009385 March 30, 2019 3:45PM (EST) Too much mail? Adjust your Hammer Price notification preferences in the app using Settings. (c) 2018 Live Auction Results, LLC References 1. https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/fl19/fort-lauderdale/lots/r0144-1985-de-tomaso-pantera-gt5-s/744997 2. mailto:info at hammerpricelive.com 3. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com From patrickhals at gmail.com Mon Apr 1 03:11:40 2019 From: patrickhals at gmail.com (Patrick HALS) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 09:11:40 +0200 Subject: [DeTomaso] A new address for Philippe Olczyk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A French friend of mine has informed me that Philippe Olczyk seems to use a new hidden email address which is " p538 at yahoo.com" , listed under " racing cars" , and signed by " Frank" Happy April's fool, however this is totally serious, I'm afraid ! Patrick ( no, no news from Candy, sadly ) -------------- next part -------------- A French friend of mine has informed me that Philippe Olczyk seems to use a new hidden email address which is " [1]p538 at yahoo.com" , listed underA " racing cars" , and signed by " Frank" Happy April's fool, however this is totally serious, I'm afraid !A PatrickA ( no, no news from Candy, sadly ) References 1. mailto:p538 at yahoo.com From djenkins at vanguardtrailer.com Mon Apr 1 08:16:48 2019 From: djenkins at vanguardtrailer.com (David Jenkins) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 08:16:48 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Seat Belt Bolt Holes Message-ID: <006401d4e884$c86d2430$59476c90$@vanguardtrailer.com> Last falI I removed the panel behind the seats. Now the seat belt bolt holes do not line up. It is worse on the driver's side. Don't see any interference. Appreciate any help. Dave -------------- next part -------------- [cid:image001.gif at 01D4E862.804C4C70] Last falI I removed the panel behind the seats. Now the seat belt bolt holes do not line up. It is worse on the driver's side. Don't see any interference. Appreciate any help. Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 2310 bytes Desc: not available URL: From MikeLDrew at aol.com Mon Apr 1 09:05:12 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 06:05:12 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Seat Belt Bolt Holes In-Reply-To: <006401d4e884$c86d2430$59476c90$@vanguardtrailer.com> References: <006401d4e884$c86d2430$59476c90$@vanguardtrailer.com> Message-ID: Dave, The holes haven?t moved. They lined up before, they line up now. You just need to align the back panel properly and be careful not to get overeager and cross thread the bolts. That can prove disastrous. Having two people helps but isn?t necessary. You will probably have to lift the upholstered panel up a little bit. If you are working alone, use a centering punch to line up the holes and hold the panel in position on one side, then start the bolt on the other side, then come back and replace the punch with the second bolt, then tighten both down. Mike Sent from my iPad > On Apr 1, 2019, at 05:16, David Jenkins wrote: > > [cid:image001.gif at 01D4E862.804C4C70] > > > Last falI I removed the panel behind the seats. Now the seat belt bolt > holes do not line up. It is worse on the driver's side. Don't see any > interference. Appreciate any help. > > > Dave > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From MikeLDrew at aol.com Mon Apr 1 09:07:14 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 06:07:14 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] A new address for Philippe Olczyk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <75CAA8BC-C564-4B26-90BC-8B25DCB6A6F6@aol.com> Patrick, Yes, that is one of his many false identities that he has used for years..... Mike Sent from my iPad > On Apr 1, 2019, at 00:11, Patrick HALS wrote: > > A French friend of mine has informed me that Philippe Olczyk seems to > use a new hidden email address which is " [1]p538 at yahoo.com" , listed > underA " racing cars" , and signed by " Frank" > Happy April's fool, however this is totally serious, I'm afraid !A > PatrickA ( no, no news from Candy, sadly ) > > References > > 1. mailto:p538 at yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From larry at ohiotimecorp.com Mon Apr 1 10:17:02 2019 From: larry at ohiotimecorp.com (larry at ohiotimecorp.com) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 10:17:02 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Slow day... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <047401d4e895$943e0290$bcba07b0$@ohiotimecorp.com> Chuck, Did you mean slow day or snow day? Larry (no fools day) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso On Behalf Of The DeTomaso Registry Guy Sent: March 31, 2019 7:38 PM To: List DeTomaso Forum Subject: [DeTomaso] Slow day... Seems like a slow list day, everybody must be out Driving DeTomasos ! Here is a pic for those homebound that I took yesterday. Chuck The De Tomaso Registry Guy http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp From guson at home.se Mon Apr 1 10:48:09 2019 From: guson at home.se (Tomas Gunnarsson) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 07:48:09 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] A new address for Philippe Olczyk Message-ID: <34BD00EDD28F409DAEED76416DE7349E@mail2world.com> It's ironic that Philippe who's so eager to shout "fraud" and "fake" has to use so many aliases. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Patrick HALS [patrickhals at gmail.com] Sent: 1/4/2019 9:08:40 AM To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] A new address for Philippe Olczyk A French friend of mine has informed me that Philippe Olczyk seems to use a new hidden email address which is " p538 at yahoo.com" , listed under " racing cars" , and signed by " Frank" Happy April's fool, however this is totally serious, I'm afraid ! Patrick ( no, no news from Candy, sadly ) -------------- next part -------------- It's ironic that Philippe who's so eager to shout "fraud" and "fake" has to use so many aliases. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Patrick HALS [patrickhals at gmail.com] Sent: 1/4/2019 9:08:40 AM To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] A new address for Philippe Olczyk A French friend of mine has informed me that Philippe Olczyk seems to use a new hidden email address which is " p538 at yahoo.com" , listed under " racing cars" , and signed by " Frank" Happy April's fool, however this is totally serious, I'm afraid ! Patrick ( no, no news from Candy, sadly ) From cengles at cox.net Mon Apr 1 11:12:03 2019 From: cengles at cox.net (Charles Engles) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 10:12:03 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] A new address for Philippe Olczyk In-Reply-To: <34BD00EDD28F409DAEED76416DE7349E@mail2world.com> References: <34BD00EDD28F409DAEED76416DE7349E@mail2world.com> Message-ID: <002a01d4e89d$47c83680$d758a380$@cox.net> Dear Tomas, That is a razor sharp observation and comment. Well said, sir. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Tomas Gunnarsson Sent: Monday, April 01, 2019 9:48 AM To: patrickhals at gmail.com Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A new address for Philippe Olczyk It's ironic that Philippe who's so eager to shout "fraud" and "fake" has to use so many aliases. Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Patrick HALS [patrickhals at gmail.com] Sent: 1/4/2019 9:08:40 AM To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] A new address for Philippe Olczyk A French friend of mine has informed me that Philippe Olczyk seems to use a new hidden email address which is " p538 at yahoo.com" , listed under " racing cars" , and signed by " Frank" Happy April's fool, however this is totally serious, I'm afraid ! Patrick ( no, no news from Candy, sadly ) From timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 1 12:16:17 2019 From: timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com (timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 16:16:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Spam question? References: <956486879.14847560.1554135377084.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <956486879.14847560.1554135377084@mail.yahoo.com> All, Team Shelby is offering a VIP Experience at Le Mans this year. I would like to post the link and offer, if that is ok. I think some members of this list might want to join the group.? However, I am unsure if that would constitute spam and do not want to break the group rules. Can anyone advise?? Scott Black? -------------- next part -------------- All, Team Shelby is offering a VIP Experience at Le Mans this year. I would like to post the link and offer, if that is ok. I think some members of this list might want to join the group. However, I am unsure if that would constitute spam and do not want to break the group rules. Can anyone advise? Scott Black From larry at ohiotimecorp.com Mon Apr 1 12:34:49 2019 From: larry at ohiotimecorp.com (larry at ohiotimecorp.com) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 12:34:49 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Spam question? In-Reply-To: <956486879.14847560.1554135377084@mail.yahoo.com> References: <956486879.14847560.1554135377084.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <956486879.14847560.1554135377084@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <04b601d4e8a8$d39d5400$7ad7fc00$@ohiotimecorp.com> Rules? Rules? We don't need no stink 'in Rules! Larry (unless they're a rule about rules) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso On Behalf Of timepiecepr2--- via DeTomaso Sent: April 01, 2019 12:16 PM To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Spam question? All, Team Shelby is offering a VIP Experience at Le Mans this year. I would like to post the link and offer, if that is ok. I think some members of this list might want to join the group. However, I am unsure if that would constitute spam and do not want to break the group rules. Can anyone advise? Scott Black From charlesmccall at gmail.com Mon Apr 1 12:37:50 2019 From: charlesmccall at gmail.com (Charles McCall) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 22:07:50 +0530 Subject: [DeTomaso] Spam question? In-Reply-To: <956486879.14847560.1554135377084@mail.yahoo.com> References: <956486879.14847560.1554135377084.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <956486879.14847560.1554135377084@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Just one person?s opinion/ I?d think it would be fine. It?s a public service announcement that some may be interested in. My two rupees... El El lun, 1 abr 2019 a las 21:46, timepiecepr2--- via DeTomaso < detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> escribi?: > All, > Team Shelby is offering a VIP Experience at Le Mans this year. I would > like to post the link and offer, if that is ok. I think some members of > this list might want to join the group. > However, I am unsure if that would constitute spam and do not want to > break the group rules. Can anyone advise? > Scott Black > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Just one personas opinion/ Iad think it would be fine. Itas a public service announcement that some may be interested in. My two rupees... El El lun, 1 abr 2019 a las 21:46, timepiecepr2--- via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> escribiA^3: A A All, A A Team Shelby is offering a VIP Experience at Le Mans this year. I would A A like to post the link and offer, if that is ok. I think some members of A A this list might want to join the group. A A However, I am unsure if that would constitute spam and do not want to A A break the group rules. Can anyone advise? A A Scott Black _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [2]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 2. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From pantdino at aol.com Mon Apr 1 13:04:40 2019 From: pantdino at aol.com (Pantdino) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 17:04:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Spam question? References: <1694844720.14586082.1554138280562.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1694844720.14586082.1554138280562@mail.yahoo.com> Scott,No this is not spam. Ford performance and Shelby go hand in hand.? Spam would be if you were advertising something you were selling? Jim Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Monday, April 1, 2019,?Larry - Cleveland via DeTomaso??wrote: Rules? Rules? We don't need no stink 'in Rules! Larry (unless they're a rule about rules) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso On Behalf Of timepiecepr2--- via DeTomaso Sent: April 01, 2019 12:16 PM To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Spam question? All, Team Shelby is offering a VIP Experience at Le Mans this year. I would like to post the link and offer, if that is ok. I think some members of this list might want to join the group. However, I am unsure if that would constitute spam and do not want to break the group rules. Can anyone advise? Scott Black _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Scott, No this is not spam. Ford performance and Shelby go hand in hand. Spam would be if you were advertising something you were sellingd- Jim Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Monday, April 1, 2019, Larry - Cleveland via DeTomaso wrote: Rules? Rules? We don't need no stink 'in Rules! Larry (unless they're a rule about rules) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On Behalf Of timepiecepr2--- via DeTomaso Sent: April 01, 2019 12:16 PM To: [2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Spam question? All, Team Shelby is offering a VIP Experience at Le Mans this year. I would like to post the link and offer, if that is ok. I think some members of this list might want to join the group. However, I am unsure if that would constitute spam and do not want to break the group rules. Can anyone advise? Scott Black _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [3]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 2. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 3. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From pantdino at aol.com Mon Apr 1 13:04:40 2019 From: pantdino at aol.com (Pantdino) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 17:04:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Spam question? References: <1694844720.14586082.1554138280562.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1694844720.14586082.1554138280562@mail.yahoo.com> Scott,No this is not spam. Ford performance and Shelby go hand in hand.? Spam would be if you were advertising something you were selling? Jim Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Monday, April 1, 2019,?Larry - Cleveland via DeTomaso??wrote: Rules? Rules? We don't need no stink 'in Rules! Larry (unless they're a rule about rules) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso On Behalf Of timepiecepr2--- via DeTomaso Sent: April 01, 2019 12:16 PM To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Spam question? All, Team Shelby is offering a VIP Experience at Le Mans this year. I would like to post the link and offer, if that is ok. I think some members of this list might want to join the group. However, I am unsure if that would constitute spam and do not want to break the group rules. Can anyone advise? Scott Black _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Scott, No this is not spam. Ford performance and Shelby go hand in hand. Spam would be if you were advertising something you were sellingd- Jim Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Monday, April 1, 2019, Larry - Cleveland via DeTomaso wrote: Rules? Rules? We don't need no stink 'in Rules! Larry (unless they're a rule about rules) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On Behalf Of timepiecepr2--- via DeTomaso Sent: April 01, 2019 12:16 PM To: [2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Spam question? All, Team Shelby is offering a VIP Experience at Le Mans this year. I would like to post the link and offer, if that is ok. I think some members of this list might want to join the group. However, I am unsure if that would constitute spam and do not want to break the group rules. Can anyone advise? Scott Black _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [3]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 2. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 3. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 1 13:54:05 2019 From: timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com (timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 17:54:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Le Mans 2019 References: <1071466489.14933970.1554141245370.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1071466489.14933970.1554141245370@mail.yahoo.com> All, Join ShelbyAmerican and Team Shelby for a once-in-a-lifetime experience. You could be partof a group that watches the mighty Ford GT team take on the rest of the worldat the 24 Hours of Le Mans. Details of the package options can be seen here: https://www.shelbystore.com/product-p/z31-lemans-2019.htm Scott Black? -------------- next part -------------- All, Join Shelby American and Team Shelby for a once-in-a-lifetime experience. You could be part of a group that watches the mighty Ford GT team take on the rest of the world at the 24 Hours of Le Mans. Details of the package options can be seen here: [1]https://www.shelbystore.com/product-p/z31-lemans-2019.htm Scott Black References 1. https://www.shelbystore.com/product-p/z31-lemans-2019.htm From fresnofinches at aol.com Mon Apr 1 15:29:06 2019 From: fresnofinches at aol.com (Larry Finch) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 12:29:06 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Throttle pedal limit-stops bracket?? Message-ID: The bracket circled in this photo has the two adjustable bolts that serve to limit the throttle pedal movement to avoid strain on the cable. I am refurbishing and organizing all of 2511s components so her reassembly here at home will go smoothly. I have found that I do not have the bracket with the throttle stops but I am wondering if perhaps it stays mounted to the body structure and is not mounted to the pedal plate? Can someone please clarify how that bracket mounts? Thanks, Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. -------------- next part -------------- [1] 844CAC6A-7DC7-446C-BFAE-4285FABE74F8 The bracket circled in this photo has the two adjustable bolts that serve to limit the throttle pedal movement to avoid strain on the cable. I am refurbishing and organizing all of 2511s components so her reassembly here at home will go smoothly. I have found that I do not have the bracket with the throttle stops but I am wondering if perhaps it stays mounted to the body structure and is not mounted to the pedal plate? Can someone please clarify how that bracket mounts? Thanks, Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. References 1. https://pantera.infopop.cc/sendTempFile/fileUploadProcessOid/71263/fileUsageType/ATTACHMENT/uniqueOid/1739412279163585/imageType/LARGE/inlineImage/true/844CAC6A-7DC7-446C-BFAE-4285FABE74F8.jpeg From red3644 at hotmail.com Mon Apr 1 15:39:13 2019 From: red3644 at hotmail.com (michael frazier) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 19:39:13 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Throttle pedal variants?? In-Reply-To: <31D9EFA3-754A-497A-BBB6-ED78F996E562@aol.com> References: <31D9EFA3-754A-497A-BBB6-ED78F996E562@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Larry, You made me go crawl under the dash of 6643. From what little I know of it, this car was owned by Quella?s business partner and many of his parts and mods are installed. So, it has one of his steel pedals which doesn?t show as much offset as yours. You?d think that would be incorporated into a new design. The arm on your modified pedal looks completely different from the stock item. FWIW, Michael Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Larry Finch via DeTomaso Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 3:11 PM To: Email List Address For Posting Subject: [DeTomaso] Throttle pedal variants?? All, While detailing 2511 components so reassembly here at home (someday....) proceeds smoothly, I noted the threaded hole on my throttle pedal was showing signs of wear and since I had a new old stock piece I decided to swap them. What I discovered is that the welding on the old pedal, which I thought to be a previous repair, now looks to be a modification to shift the pedal inboard to provide more clearance from the brake pedal. [cid:7e646a44-31eb-43d2-bd97-f5821cd07853 at prod.exchangelabs.com] [cid:5293c161-0098-44bf-a916-61363d53c0c1 at prod.exchangelabs.com] Back in the 90s a previous owner had 2511 fully restored by Quella and I?m thinking this may be one of Dennis? modifications, like his shortened shift lever? Anyone know more about this modification than just my conjecture? Sending an email to Dennis, also. Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Hi Larry, You made me go crawl under the dash of 6643. From what little I know of it, this car was owned by Quella's business partner and many of his parts and mods are installed. So, it has one of his steel pedals which doesn't show as much offset as yours. You'd think that would be incorporated into a new design. The arm on your modified pedal looks completely different from the stock item. FWIW, Michael Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 From: [2]Larry Finch via DeTomaso Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 3:11 PM To: [3]Email List Address For Posting Subject: [DeTomaso] Throttle pedal variants?? All, While detailing 2511 components so reassembly here at home (someday....) proceeds smoothly, I noted the threaded hole on my throttle pedal was showing signs of wear and since I had a new old stock piece I decided to swap them. What I discovered is that the welding on the old pedal, which I thought to be a previous repair, now looks to be a modification to shift the pedal inboard to provide more clearance from the brake pedal. [cid:7e646a44-31eb-43d2-bd97-f5821cd07853 at prod.exchangelabs.com] [cid:5293c161-0098-44bf-a916-61363d53c0c1 at prod.exchangelabs.com] Back in the 90s a previous owner had 2511 fully restored by Quella and I'm thinking this may be one of Dennis' modifications, like his shortened shift lever? Anyone know more about this modification than just my conjecture? Sending an email to Dennis, also. Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 2. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 3. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image1.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 136008 bytes Desc: image1.jpeg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image2.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 137864 bytes Desc: image2.jpeg URL: From fresnofinches at aol.com Mon Apr 1 16:23:45 2019 From: fresnofinches at aol.com (Larry Finch) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 13:23:45 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Throttle pedal variants?? In-Reply-To: References: <31D9EFA3-754A-497A-BBB6-ED78F996E562@aol.com> Message-ID: <44E8330E-5CC6-4FD0-89D4-53CE7B9AB228@aol.com> Thanks, Michael. I received a reply from Adam Quella this morning who says he cannot recall throttle pedals being modified at any time in their shop. He did mention the steel pedal that Dennis sells and said it is the same configuration as the stock pedal. I think it is a worthwhile modification and thank whoever did it. Perhaps it was a home-brew project and not done by any vendor? Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. > On Apr 1, 2019, at 12:39 PM, michael frazier wrote: > > Hi Larry, > > You made me go crawl under the dash of 6643. From what little I know of it, this car was owned by Quella?s business > partner and many of his parts and mods are installed. So, it has one of his steel pedals which doesn?t show as much offset > as yours. You?d think that would be incorporated into a new design. The arm on your modified pedal looks completely > different from the stock item. > FWIW, > Michael > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Larry Finch via DeTomaso > Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 3:11 PM > To: Email List Address For Posting > Subject: [DeTomaso] Throttle pedal variants?? > > All, > > While detailing 2511 components so reassembly here at home (someday....) proceeds smoothly, I noted the threaded hole on my throttle pedal was showing signs of wear and since I had a new old stock piece I decided to swap them. > > What I discovered is that the welding on the old pedal, which I thought to be a previous repair, now looks to be a modification to shift the pedal inboard to provide more clearance from the brake pedal. > > > > > > > > Back in the 90s a previous owner had 2511 fully restored by Quella and I?m thinking this may be one of Dennis? > modifications, like his shortened shift lever? > > Anyone know more about this modification than just my conjecture? > > Sending an email to Dennis, also. > > Larry > > > > Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Thanks, Michael. I received a reply from Adam Quella this morning who says he cannot recall throttle pedals being modified at any time in their shop. He did mention the steel pedal that Dennis sells and said it is the same configuration as the stock pedal. I think it is a worthwhile modification and thank whoever did it. Perhaps it was a home-brew project and not done by any vendor? Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. On Apr 1, 2019, at 12:39 PM, michael frazier <[1]red3644 at hotmail.com> wrote: Hi Larry, You made me go crawl under the dash of 6643. From what little I know of it, this car was owned by Quella's business partner and many of his parts and mods are installed. So, it has one of his steel pedals which doesn't show as much offset as yours. You'd think that would be incorporated into a new design. The arm on your modified pedal looks completely different from the stock item. FWIW, Michael Sent from [2]Mail for Windows 10 From: [3]Larry Finch via DeTomaso Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 3:11 PM To: [4]Email List Address For Posting Subject: [DeTomaso] Throttle pedal variants?? All, While detailing 2511 components so reassembly here at home (someday....) proceeds smoothly, I noted the threaded hole on my throttle pedal was showing signs of wear and since I had a new old stock piece I decided to swap them. What I discovered is that the welding on the old pedal, which I thought to be a previous repair, now looks to be a modification to shift the pedal inboard to provide more clearance from the brake pedal. Back in the 90s a previous owner had 2511 fully restored by Quella and I'm thinking this may be one of Dennis' modifications, like his shortened shift lever? Anyone know more about this modification than just my conjecture? Sending an email to Dennis, also. Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [5]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:red3644 at hotmail.com 2. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 3. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 4. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 5. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From MikeLDrew at aol.com Mon Apr 1 18:25:59 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 17:25:59 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] A/C bracket for a DART block? Message-ID: Guys, Fellow in Sweden has an aluminum DART Windsor block and wants to install A/C. Are DART blocks different from regular 351W blocks in terms of the brackets required? Do Windsor cars use different brackets from Cleveland cars? Mike Sent from my iPad From nwpantera at gmail.com Mon Apr 1 20:14:28 2019 From: nwpantera at gmail.com (Matt) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 17:14:28 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Throttle pedal variants?? In-Reply-To: <44E8330E-5CC6-4FD0-89D4-53CE7B9AB228@aol.com> References: <31D9EFA3-754A-497A-BBB6-ED78F996E562@aol.com> <44E8330E-5CC6-4FD0-89D4-53CE7B9AB228@aol.com> Message-ID: The modded example looks more heel/toe friendly to me, via a vice and mallet maybe. Here's where I unmercifully hijack your message! My issue has always been with the clearance between the kick panel and the brake pedal. I do not have big feet but if I'm wearing anything resembling shoes it is hard not to get hung up on the brake pedal. >From what I can tell the panel doesn't really have any where to go to allow more room as the throttle cable is right behind it. But if you slide the brake pedal over now you have reduced clutch room and the wheel well sure ain't moving. If I was you at this point I would try to address this issue. I don't even know if it can be improved but maybe somebody knows of some clever fix besides ballet slippers. Maybe it's not an issue in some cars. I did have to test drive one guys car in socks but mine is not as bad fortunately or I wouldn't have bought it. Maybe it's just me but I'd prefer not having to wear the proper shoes(or none at all) to drive a car. Yes I think your go pedal is a one of a kind and will do the job as long as no stress cracks occurred from it's "customization". The paint looks very good Larry, it's gonna be a great ride :-) Matt On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 1:24 PM Larry Finch via DeTomaso < detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > Thanks, Michael. > > I received a reply from Adam Quella this morning who says he cannot > recall throttle pedals being modified at any time in their shop. He did > mention the steel pedal that Dennis sells and said it is the same > configuration as the stock pedal. > > I think it is a worthwhile modification and thank whoever did it. > Perhaps it was a home-brew project and not done by any vendor? > Larry > > Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. > On Apr 1, 2019, at 12:39 PM, michael frazier <[1]red3644 at hotmail.com> > wrote: > > Hi Larry, > > > You made me go crawl under the dash of 6643. From what little I know > of it, this car was owned by Quella's business > > partner and many of his parts and mods are installed. So, it has one > of his steel pedals which doesn't show as much offset > > as yours. You'd think that would be incorporated into a new design. > The arm on your modified pedal looks completely > > different from the stock item. > > FWIW, > > Michael > > > Sent from [2]Mail for Windows 10 > > > From: [3]Larry Finch via DeTomaso > Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 3:11 PM > To: [4]Email List Address For Posting > Subject: [DeTomaso] Throttle pedal variants?? > > > All, > While detailing 2511 components so reassembly here at home > (someday....) proceeds smoothly, I noted the threaded hole on my > throttle pedal was showing signs of wear and since I had a new old > stock piece I decided to swap them. > What I discovered is that the welding on the old pedal, which I thought > to be a previous repair, now looks to be a modification to shift the > pedal inboard to provide more clearance from the brake pedal. > > > Back in the 90s a previous owner had 2511 fully restored by Quella and > I'm thinking this may be one of Dennis' > modifications, like his shortened shift lever? > Anyone know more about this modification than just my conjecture? > Sending an email to Dennis, also. > Larry > Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [5]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages. > > References > > 1. mailto:red3644 at hotmail.com > 2. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 > 3. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com > 4. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com > 5. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- The modded example looks more heel/toe friendly to me, via a vice and mallet maybe. Here's where I unmercifully hijack your message! My issue has always been with the clearance between the kick panel and the brake pedal. I do not have big feet but if I'm wearing anything resembling shoes it is hard not to get hung up on the brake pedal.A From what I can tell the panel doesn't really have any where to go to allow more room as the throttle cable is right behind it. But if you slide the brake pedal over now you have reduced clutch room and the wheel well sure ain't moving. If I was you at this point I would try to address this issue. I don't even know if it can be improved but maybe somebody knows of some clever fix besides ballet slippers. Maybe it's not an issue in some cars. I did have to test drive one guys car in socks but mine is not as bad fortunately or I wouldn't have bought it. Maybe it's just me but I'd prefer not having to wear the proper shoes(or none at all) to drive a car. Yes I think your go pedal is a one of a kind and will do the job as long as no stress cracks occurred from it's "customization". The paint looks very good Larry, it's gonna be a great ride :-) Matt On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 1:24 PM Larry Finch via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: A A Thanks, Michael. A A I received a reply from Adam Quella this morning who says he cannot A A recall throttle pedals being modified at any time in their shop. He did A A mention the steel pedal that Dennis sells and said it is the same A A configuration as the stock pedal. A A I think it is a worthwhile modification and thank whoever did it. A A Perhaps it was a home-brew project and not done by any vendor? A A Larry A A Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. A A On Apr 1, 2019, at 12:39 PM, michael frazier <[1][2]red3644 at hotmail.com> A A wrote: A A Hi Larry, A A You made me go crawl under the dash of 6643.A From what little I know A A of it, this car was owned by Quella's business A A partner and many of his parts and mods are installed.A So, it has one A A of his steel pedals which doesn't show as much offset A A as yours.A You'd think that would be incorporated into a new design. A A The arm on your modified pedal looks completely A A different from the stock item. A A FWIW, A A Michael A A Sent from [2]Mail for Windows 10 A A From: [3]Larry Finch via DeTomaso A A Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 3:11 PM A A To: [4]Email List Address For Posting A A Subject: [DeTomaso] Throttle pedal variants?? A A All, A A While detailing 2511 components so reassembly here at home A A (someday....) proceeds smoothly, I noted the threaded hole on my A A throttle pedal was showing signs of wear and since I had a new old A A stock piece I decided to swap them. A A What I discovered is that the welding on the old pedal, which I thought A A to be a previous repair, now looks to be a modification to shift the A A pedal inboard to provide more clearance from the brake pedal. A A A A A A Back in the 90s a previous owner had 2511 fully restored by Quella and A A I'm thinking this may be one of Dennis' A A modifications, like his shortened shift lever? A A Anyone know more about this modification than just my conjecture? A A Sending an email to Dennis, also. A A Larry A A Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. 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References 1. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 2. mailto:red3644 at hotmail.com 3. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 5. mailto:red3644 at hotmail.com 6. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 7. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 8. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 9. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 10. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 11. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 12. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From julian_kift at hotmail.com Mon Apr 1 23:50:00 2019 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 03:50:00 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Throttle pedal variants?? In-Reply-To: References: <31D9EFA3-754A-497A-BBB6-ED78F996E562@aol.com> <44E8330E-5CC6-4FD0-89D4-53CE7B9AB228@aol.com>, Message-ID: Some large footed individuals resolve this by cutting angled section off the right lower corner off the brake pedal. Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Matt Sent: Monday, April 1, 2019 5:14 PM To: Larry Finch Cc: Email List Address For Posting Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Throttle pedal variants?? The modded example looks more heel/toe friendly to me, via a vice and mallet maybe. Here's where I unmercifully hijack your message! My issue has always been with the clearance between the kick panel and the brake pedal. I do not have big feet but if I'm wearing anything resembling shoes it is hard not to get hung up on the brake pedal. >From what I can tell the panel doesn't really have any where to go to allow more room as the throttle cable is right behind it. But if you slide the brake pedal over now you have reduced clutch room and the wheel well sure ain't moving. If I was you at this point I would try to address this issue. I don't even know if it can be improved but maybe somebody knows of some clever fix besides ballet slippers. Maybe it's not an issue in some cars. I did have to test drive one guys car in socks but mine is not as bad fortunately or I wouldn't have bought it. Maybe it's just me but I'd prefer not having to wear the proper shoes(or none at all) to drive a car. Yes I think your go pedal is a one of a kind and will do the job as long as no stress cracks occurred from it's "customization". The paint looks very good Larry, it's gonna be a great ride :-) Matt On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 1:24 PM Larry Finch via DeTomaso < detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > Thanks, Michael. > > I received a reply from Adam Quella this morning who says he cannot > recall throttle pedals being modified at any time in their shop. He did > mention the steel pedal that Dennis sells and said it is the same > configuration as the stock pedal. > > I think it is a worthwhile modification and thank whoever did it. > Perhaps it was a home-brew project and not done by any vendor? > Larry > > Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. > On Apr 1, 2019, at 12:39 PM, michael frazier <[1]red3644 at hotmail.com> > wrote: > > Hi Larry, > > > You made me go crawl under the dash of 6643. From what little I know > of it, this car was owned by Quella's business > > partner and many of his parts and mods are installed. So, it has one > of his steel pedals which doesn't show as much offset > > as yours. You'd think that would be incorporated into a new design. > The arm on your modified pedal looks completely > > different from the stock item. > > FWIW, > > Michael > > > Sent from [2]Mail for Windows 10 > > > From: [3]Larry Finch via DeTomaso > Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 3:11 PM > To: [4]Email List Address For Posting > Subject: [DeTomaso] Throttle pedal variants?? > > > All, > While detailing 2511 components so reassembly here at home > (someday....) proceeds smoothly, I noted the threaded hole on my > throttle pedal was showing signs of wear and since I had a new old > stock piece I decided to swap them. > What I discovered is that the welding on the old pedal, which I thought > to be a previous repair, now looks to be a modification to shift the > pedal inboard to provide more clearance from the brake pedal. > > > Back in the 90s a previous owner had 2511 fully restored by Quella and > I'm thinking this may be one of Dennis' > modifications, like his shortened shift lever? > Anyone know more about this modification than just my conjecture? > Sending an email to Dennis, also. > Larry > Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [5]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages. > > References > > 1. mailto:red3644 at hotmail.com > 2. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 > 3. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com > 4. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com > 5. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Some large footed individuals resolve this by cutting angled section off the right lower corner off the brake pedal. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Matt Sent: Monday, April 1, 2019 5:14 PM To: Larry Finch Cc: Email List Address For Posting Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Throttle pedal variants?? The modded example looks more heel/toe friendly to me, via a vice and mallet maybe. Here's where I unmercifully hijack your message! My issue has always been with the clearance between the kick panel and the brake pedal. I do not have big feet but if I'm wearing anything resembling shoes it is hard not to get hung up on the brake pedal. From what I can tell the panel doesn't really have any where to go to allow more room as the throttle cable is right behind it. But if you slide the brake pedal over now you have reduced clutch room and the wheel well sure ain't moving. If I was you at this point I would try to address this issue. I don't even know if it can be improved but maybe somebody knows of some clever fix besides ballet slippers. Maybe it's not an issue in some cars. I did have to test drive one guys car in socks but mine is not as bad fortunately or I wouldn't have bought it. Maybe it's just me but I'd prefer not having to wear the proper shoes(or none at all) to drive a car. Yes I think your go pedal is a one of a kind and will do the job as long as no stress cracks occurred from it's "customization". The paint looks very good Larry, it's gonna be a great ride :-) Matt On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 1:24 PM Larry Finch via DeTomaso < detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > Thanks, Michael. > > I received a reply from Adam Quella this morning who says he cannot > recall throttle pedals being modified at any time in their shop. He did > mention the steel pedal that Dennis sells and said it is the same > configuration as the stock pedal. > > I think it is a worthwhile modification and thank whoever did it. > Perhaps it was a home-brew project and not done by any vendor? > Larry > > Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. > On Apr 1, 2019, at 12:39 PM, michael frazier <[1]red3644 at hotmail.com> > wrote: > > Hi Larry, > > > You made me go crawl under the dash of 6643. From what little I know > of it, this car was owned by Quella's business > > partner and many of his parts and mods are installed. So, it has one > of his steel pedals which doesn't show as much offset > > as yours. You'd think that would be incorporated into a new design. > The arm on your modified pedal looks completely > > different from the stock item. > > FWIW, > > Michael > > > Sent from [2]Mail for Windows 10 > > > From: [3]Larry Finch via DeTomaso > Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 3:11 PM > To: [4]Email List Address For Posting > Subject: [DeTomaso] Throttle pedal variants?? > > > All, > While detailing 2511 components so reassembly here at home > (someday....) proceeds smoothly, I noted the threaded hole on my > throttle pedal was showing signs of wear and since I had a new old > stock piece I decided to swap them. > What I discovered is that the welding on the old pedal, which I thought > to be a previous repair, now looks to be a modification to shift the > pedal inboard to provide more clearance from the brake pedal. > > > Back in the 90s a previous owner had 2511 fully restored by Quella and > I'm thinking this may be one of Dennis' > modifications, like his shortened shift lever? > Anyone know more about this modification than just my conjecture? > Sending an email to Dennis, also. > Larry > Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [5]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. 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References 1. mailto:red3644 at hotmail.com 2. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 3. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 4. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 5. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 7. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From thells86 at gmail.com Tue Apr 2 01:39:21 2019 From: thells86 at gmail.com (Dan Pedersen) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 22:39:21 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] A/C bracket for a DART block? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike, I have an iron Dart SHP Windsor block and the regular Windsor A/C and alternator bracket for a Pantera from Bob Byars lined up perfectly with the pre-existing holes in the block. (Part # - AC1100) There may be a difference with the aluminum block but it's likely to be the same. And this A/C bracket is completely different from the stock Cleveland one. Dan On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 3:26 PM Mike Drew via DeTomaso < detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > Guys, > > Fellow in Sweden has an aluminum DART Windsor block and wants to install > A/C. Are DART blocks different from regular 351W blocks in terms of the > brackets required? > > Do Windsor cars use different brackets from Cleveland cars? > > Mike > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. > -------------- next part -------------- Mike, I have an iron Dart SHP Windsor block and the regular Windsor A/C and alternator bracket for a Pantera from Bob Byars lined up perfectly with the pre-existing holes in the block. (Part # - AC1100) There may be a difference with the aluminum block but it's likely to be the same. And this A/C bracket is completely different from the stock Cleveland one. Dan On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 3:26 PM Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: Guys, Fellow in Sweden has an aluminum DART Windsor block and wants to install A/C. Are DART blocks different from regular 351W blocks in terms of the brackets required? Do Windsor cars use different brackets from Cleveland cars? Mike Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [2]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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So I drilled a hole about halfway up, that intersects part of the underside bracing, and ran a long sheet metal screw in to pull the center of the panel over towards the center of the car. A few sharp whacks permanently bent it for an inch or so more pedal room and the long screw holds it in place. Dunno if the stock plastic kick panel is flexible enough to take that treatment without cracking- maybe with a heat gun? FWIW- J DeRyke -----Original Message----- From: Matt To: Larry Finch Cc: Email List Address For Posting Sent: Mon, Apr 1, 2019 5:15 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Throttle pedal variants?? ? The modded example looks more heel/toe friendly to me, via a vice and ? mallet maybe. ? Here's where I unmercifully hijack your message! ? My issue has always been with the clearance between the kick panel and ? the brake pedal. ? I do not have big feet but if I'm wearing anything resembling shoes it ? is hard not to get hung up on the brake pedal.A ? From what I can tell the panel doesn't really have any where to go to ? allow more room as the throttle cable is right behind it. ? But if you slide the brake pedal over now you have reduced clutch room ? and the wheel well sure ain't moving. ? If I was you at this point I would try to address this issue. I don't ? even know if it can be improved but maybe somebody knows of some clever ? fix besides ballet slippers. ? Maybe it's not an issue in some cars. I did have to test drive one guys ? car in socks but mine is not as bad fortunately or I wouldn't have ? bought it. ? Maybe it's just me but I'd prefer not having to wear the proper ? shoes(or none at all) to drive a car. ? Yes I think your go pedal is a one of a kind and will do the job as ? long as no stress cracks occurred from it's "customization". ? The paint looks very good Larry, it's gonna be a great ride :-) ? Matt ? On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 1:24 PM Larry Finch via DeTomaso ? <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: ? ? A? A Thanks, Michael. ? ? A? A I received a reply from Adam Quella this morning who says he ? ? cannot ? ? A? A recall throttle pedals being modified at any time in their ? ? shop. He did ? ? A? A mention the steel pedal that Dennis sells and said it is the ? ? same ? ? A? A configuration as the stock pedal. ? ? A? A I think it is a worthwhile modification and thank whoever did ? ? it. ? ? A? A Perhaps it was a home-brew project and not done by any vendor? ? ? A? A Larry ? ? A? A Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. ? ? A? A On Apr 1, 2019, at 12:39 PM, michael frazier ? ? <[1][2]red3644 at hotmail.com> ? ? A? A wrote: ? ? A? A Hi Larry, ? ? A? A You made me go crawl under the dash of 6643.A? From what little ? ? I know ? ? A? A of it, this car was owned by Quella's business ? ? A? A partner and many of his parts and mods are installed.A? So, it ? ? has one ? ? A? A of his steel pedals which doesn't show as much offset ? ? A? A as yours.A? 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Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- My '72 plastic kick panel was cracked back in 1980 when we got the car so I made one up of sheet metal. It fastens at the bottom to the floor and hits stuff up under the dash at the top, but in between it's unsupported. So I drilled a hole about halfway up, that intersects part of the underside bracing, and ran a long sheet metal screw in to pull the center of the panel over towards the center of the car. A few sharp whacks permanently bent it for an inch or so more pedal room and the long screw holds it in place. Dunno if the stock plastic kick panel is flexible enough to take that treatment without cracking- maybe with a heat gun? FWIW- J DeRyke -----Original Message----- From: Matt To: Larry Finch Cc: Email List Address For Posting Sent: Mon, Apr 1, 2019 5:15 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Throttle pedal variants?? The modded example looks more heel/toe friendly to me, via a vice and mallet maybe. Here's where I unmercifully hijack your message! My issue has always been with the clearance between the kick panel and the brake pedal. I do not have big feet but if I'm wearing anything resembling shoes it is hard not to get hung up on the brake pedal.A From what I can tell the panel doesn't really have any where to go to allow more room as the throttle cable is right behind it. But if you slide the brake pedal over now you have reduced clutch room and the wheel well sure ain't moving. If I was you at this point I would try to address this issue. I don't even know if it can be improved but maybe somebody knows of some clever fix besides ballet slippers. Maybe it's not an issue in some cars. I did have to test drive one guys car in socks but mine is not as bad fortunately or I wouldn't have bought it. Maybe it's just me but I'd prefer not having to wear the proper shoes(or none at all) to drive a car. Yes I think your go pedal is a one of a kind and will do the job as long as no stress cracks occurred from it's "customization". The paint looks very good Larry, it's gonna be a great ride :-) Matt On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 1:24 PM Larry Finch via DeTomaso <[1][1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: A A Thanks, Michael. A A I received a reply from Adam Quella this morning who says he cannot A A recall throttle pedals being modified at any time in their shop. He did A A mention the steel pedal that Dennis sells and said it is the same A A configuration as the stock pedal. A A I think it is a worthwhile modification and thank whoever did it. A A Perhaps it was a home-brew project and not done by any vendor? A A Larry A A Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. A A On Apr 1, 2019, at 12:39 PM, michael frazier <[1][2][2]red3644 at hotmail.com> A A wrote: A A Hi Larry, A A You made me go crawl under the dash of 6643.A From what little I know A A of it, this car was owned by Quella's business A A partner and many of his parts and mods are installed.A So, it has one A A of his steel pedals which doesn't show as much offset A A as yours.A You'd think that would be incorporated into a new design. A A The arm on your modified pedal looks completely A A different from the stock item. A A FWIW, A A Michael A A Sent from [2]Mail for Windows 10 A A From: [3]Larry Finch via DeTomaso A A Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 3:11 PM A A To: [4]Email List Address For Posting A A Subject: [DeTomaso] Throttle pedal variants?? 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In-Reply-To: <1256175672.15298114.1554189117091@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1256175672.15298114.1554189117091.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1256175672.15298114.1554189117091@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9D42F7A1-5963-4601-8573-CE6EEB6C6EDB@aol.com> Jack, The stock panels are quite flexible (the two-pod dash panels are quite flimsy while the one-pod panels are a bit more robust) and the sheet metal screw with a fender washer trick works exceptionally well with either one. Here is a pic of Lori?s car, with a POCA ruler showing the width of the pedal box in this area once the panel is positioned as you have also done. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image1.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 998597 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- The more rigid panels in the later cars are shaped a bit differently (better) and provide slightly more room. Mike Sent from my iPad > On Apr 2, 2019, at 00:11, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso wrote: > > My '72 plastic kick panel was cracked back in 1980 when we got the car > so I made one up of sheet metal. It fastens at the bottom to the floor > and hits stuff up under the dash at the top, but in between it's > unsupported. So I drilled a hole about halfway up, that intersects part > of the underside bracing, and ran a long sheet metal screw in to pull > the center of the panel over towards the center of the car. A few sharp > whacks permanently bent it for an inch or so more pedal room and the > long screw holds it in place. Dunno if the stock plastic kick panel is > flexible enough to take that treatment without cracking- maybe with a > heat gun? > FWIW- J DeRyke > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt > To: Larry Finch > Cc: Email List Address For Posting > Sent: Mon, Apr 1, 2019 5:15 pm > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Throttle pedal variants?? > The modded example looks more heel/toe friendly to me, via a vice and > mallet maybe. > Here's where I unmercifully hijack your message! > My issue has always been with the clearance between the kick panel > and > the brake pedal. > I do not have big feet but if I'm wearing anything resembling shoes > it > is hard not to get hung up on the brake pedal.A > From what I can tell the panel doesn't really have any where to go to > allow more room as the throttle cable is right behind it. > But if you slide the brake pedal over now you have reduced clutch > room > and the wheel well sure ain't moving. > If I was you at this point I would try to address this issue. I don't > even know if it can be improved but maybe somebody knows of some > clever > fix besides ballet slippers. > Maybe it's not an issue in some cars. I did have to test drive one > guys > car in socks but mine is not as bad fortunately or I wouldn't have > bought it. > Maybe it's just me but I'd prefer not having to wear the proper > shoes(or none at all) to drive a car. > Yes I think your go pedal is a one of a kind and will do the job as > long as no stress cracks occurred from it's "customization". > The paint looks very good Larry, it's gonna be a great ride :-) > Matt > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 1:24 PM Larry Finch via DeTomaso > <[1][1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > A A Thanks, Michael. > A A I received a reply from Adam Quella this morning who says he > cannot > A A recall throttle pedals being modified at any time in their > shop. He did > A A mention the steel pedal that Dennis sells and said it is the > same > A A configuration as the stock pedal. > A A I think it is a worthwhile modification and thank whoever did > it. > A A Perhaps it was a home-brew project and not done by any vendor? > A A Larry > A A Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. > A A On Apr 1, 2019, at 12:39 PM, michael frazier > <[1][2][2]red3644 at hotmail.com> > A A wrote: > A A Hi Larry, > A A You made me go crawl under the dash of 6643.A From what > little > I know > A A of it, this car was owned by Quella's business > A A partner and many of his parts and mods are installed.A So, it > has one > A A of his steel pedals which doesn't show as much offset > A A as yours.A You'd think that would be incorporated into a new > design. > A A The arm on your modified pedal looks completely > A A different from the stock item. > A A FWIW, > A A Michael > A A Sent from [2]Mail for Windows 10 > A A From: [3]Larry Finch via DeTomaso > A A Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 3:11 PM > A A To: [4]Email List Address For Posting > A A Subject: [DeTomaso] Throttle pedal variants?? > A A All, > A A While detailing 2511 components so reassembly here at home > A A (someday....) proceeds smoothly, I noted the threaded hole on > my > A A throttle pedal was showing signs of wear and since I had a new > old > A A stock piece I decided to swap them. > A A What I discovered is that the welding on the old pedal, which > I > thought > A A to be a previous repair, now looks to be a modification to > shift the > A A pedal inboard to provide more clearance from the brake pedal. > A A > A A > A A Back in the 90s a previous owner had 2511 fully restored by > Quella and > A A I'm thinking this may be one of Dennis' > A A modifications, like his shortened shift lever? > A A Anyone know more about this modification than just my > conjecture? > A A Sending an email to Dennis, also. > A A Larry > A A Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. > A A _______________________________________________ > A A Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > A A Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > A A DeTomaso mailing list > A A [5][3][3]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > A A > [6][4][4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > A A To manage your subscription (change email address, > unsubscribe, > etc.) > A A use the links above. > A A Members who post to this list grant license to the list to > forward any > A A message posted here to all past, current, or future members of > the > A A list. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From larry at ohiotimecorp.com Tue Apr 2 09:50:55 2019 From: larry at ohiotimecorp.com (larry at ohiotimecorp.com) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 09:50:55 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Throttle pedal variants?? In-Reply-To: References: <31D9EFA3-754A-497A-BBB6-ED78F996E562@aol.com> <44E8330E-5CC6-4FD0-89D4-53CE7B9AB228@aol.com>, Message-ID: <056f01d4e95b$18aec670$4a0c5350$@ohiotimecorp.com> << large footed individuals>> I believe some have been spotted in the upper North West. Larry (what's that smell) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso On Behalf Of Julian Kift Sent: April 01, 2019 11:50 PM To: Matt ; Larry Finch Cc: Email List Address For Posting Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Throttle pedal variants?? Some large footed individuals resolve this by cutting angled section off the right lower corner off the brake pedal. Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Matt Sent: Monday, April 1, 2019 5:14 PM To: Larry Finch Cc: Email List Address For Posting Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Throttle pedal variants?? The modded example looks more heel/toe friendly to me, via a vice and mallet maybe. Here's where I unmercifully hijack your message! My issue has always been with the clearance between the kick panel and the brake pedal. I do not have big feet but if I'm wearing anything resembling shoes it is hard not to get hung up on the brake pedal. >From what I can tell the panel doesn't really have any where to go to allow more room as the throttle cable is right behind it. But if you slide the brake pedal over now you have reduced clutch room and the wheel well sure ain't moving. If I was you at this point I would try to address this issue. I don't even know if it can be improved but maybe somebody knows of some clever fix besides ballet slippers. Maybe it's not an issue in some cars. I did have to test drive one guys car in socks but mine is not as bad fortunately or I wouldn't have bought it. Maybe it's just me but I'd prefer not having to wear the proper shoes(or none at all) to drive a car. Yes I think your go pedal is a one of a kind and will do the job as long as no stress cracks occurred from it's "customization". The paint looks very good Larry, it's gonna be a great ride :-) Matt On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 1:24 PM Larry Finch via DeTomaso < detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > Thanks, Michael. > > I received a reply from Adam Quella this morning who says he cannot > recall throttle pedals being modified at any time in their shop. He did > mention the steel pedal that Dennis sells and said it is the same > configuration as the stock pedal. > > I think it is a worthwhile modification and thank whoever did it. > Perhaps it was a home-brew project and not done by any vendor? > Larry > > Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. > On Apr 1, 2019, at 12:39 PM, michael frazier <[1]red3644 at hotmail.com> > wrote: > > Hi Larry, > > > You made me go crawl under the dash of 6643. From what little I know > of it, this car was owned by Quella's business > > partner and many of his parts and mods are installed. So, it has one > of his steel pedals which doesn't show as much offset > > as yours. You'd think that would be incorporated into a new design. > The arm on your modified pedal looks completely > > different from the stock item. > > FWIW, > > Michael > > > Sent from [2]Mail for Windows 10 > > > From: [3]Larry Finch via DeTomaso > Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 3:11 PM > To: [4]Email List Address For Posting > Subject: [DeTomaso] Throttle pedal variants?? > > > All, > While detailing 2511 components so reassembly here at home > (someday....) proceeds smoothly, I noted the threaded hole on my > throttle pedal was showing signs of wear and since I had a new old > stock piece I decided to swap them. > What I discovered is that the welding on the old pedal, which I thought > to be a previous repair, now looks to be a modification to shift the > pedal inboard to provide more clearance from the brake pedal. > > > Back in the 90s a previous owner had 2511 fully restored by Quella and > I'm thinking this may be one of Dennis' > modifications, like his shortened shift lever? > Anyone know more about this modification than just my conjecture? > Sending an email to Dennis, also. > Larry > Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [5]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. 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From davel at trguys.com Tue Apr 2 13:52:36 2019 From: davel at trguys.com (Dave Londry) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 10:52:36 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Throttle pedal variants?? In-Reply-To: <056f01d4e95b$18aec670$4a0c5350$@ohiotimecorp.com> References: <31D9EFA3-754A-497A-BBB6-ED78F996E562@aol.com> <44E8330E-5CC6-4FD0-89D4-53CE7B9AB228@aol.com> <056f01d4e95b$18aec670$4a0c5350$@ohiotimecorp.com> Message-ID: <5de765fa-d6da-cd6e-9328-b9727af85376@trguys.com> We in the upper NorthWest do love our Panteras. The feet are no problem (no shoes), but our fur keeps getting caught when the door closes. Dave (funk) On 2019-04-02 6:50 a.m., Larry - Cleveland via DeTomaso wrote: > << large footed individuals>> > > I believe some have been spotted in the upper North West. > > Larry (what's that smell) - Cleveland > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso On Behalf Of > Julian Kift > Sent: April 01, 2019 11:50 PM > To: Matt ; Larry Finch > Cc: Email List Address For Posting > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Throttle pedal variants?? > > Some large footed individuals resolve this by cutting angled section off the > right lower corner off the brake pedal. > > Julian > > ________________________________ > From: DeTomaso on behalf of Matt > > Sent: Monday, April 1, 2019 5:14 PM > To: Larry Finch > Cc: Email List Address For Posting > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Throttle pedal variants?? > > The modded example looks more heel/toe friendly to me, via a vice and mallet > maybe. > Here's where I unmercifully hijack your message! > My issue has always been with the clearance between the kick panel and the > brake pedal. > I do not have big feet but if I'm wearing anything resembling shoes it is > hard not to get hung up on the brake pedal. > >From what I can tell the panel doesn't really have any where to go to allow > more room as the throttle cable is right behind it. > But if you slide the brake pedal over now you have reduced clutch room and > the wheel well sure ain't moving. > > If I was you at this point I would try to address this issue. I don't even > know if it can be improved but maybe somebody knows of some clever fix > besides ballet slippers. > Maybe it's not an issue in some cars. I did have to test drive one guys car > in socks but mine is not as bad fortunately or I wouldn't have bought it. > Maybe it's just me but I'd prefer not having to wear the proper shoes(or > none at all) to drive a car. > Yes I think your go pedal is a one of a kind and will do the job as long as > no stress cracks occurred from it's "customization". > The paint looks very good Larry, it's gonna be a great ride :-) Matt > > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 1:24 PM Larry Finch via DeTomaso < > detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > >> Thanks, Michael. >> >> I received a reply from Adam Quella this morning who says he cannot >> recall throttle pedals being modified at any time in their shop. He did >> mention the steel pedal that Dennis sells and said it is the same >> configuration as the stock pedal. >> >> I think it is a worthwhile modification and thank whoever did it. >> Perhaps it was a home-brew project and not done by any vendor? >> Larry >> >> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. >> On Apr 1, 2019, at 12:39 PM, michael frazier <[1]red3644 at hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Hi Larry, >> >> >> You made me go crawl under the dash of 6643. From what little I know >> of it, this car was owned by Quella's business >> >> partner and many of his parts and mods are installed. So, it has one >> of his steel pedals which doesn't show as much offset >> >> as yours. You'd think that would be incorporated into a new design. >> The arm on your modified pedal looks completely >> >> different from the stock item. >> >> FWIW, >> >> Michael >> >> >> Sent from [2]Mail for Windows 10 >> >> >> From: [3]Larry Finch via DeTomaso >> Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 3:11 PM >> To: [4]Email List Address For Posting >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Throttle pedal variants?? >> >> >> All, >> While detailing 2511 components so reassembly here at home >> (someday....) proceeds smoothly, I noted the threaded hole on my >> throttle pedal was showing signs of wear and since I had a new old >> stock piece I decided to swap them. >> What I discovered is that the welding on the old pedal, which I thought >> to be a previous repair, now looks to be a modification to shift the >> pedal inboard to provide more clearance from the brake pedal. >> >> >> Back in the 90s a previous owner had 2511 fully restored by Quella and >> I'm thinking this may be one of Dennis' >> modifications, like his shortened shift lever? >> Anyone know more about this modification than just my conjecture? >> Sending an email to Dennis, also. >> Larry >> Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. >> _______________________________________________ >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> [5]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >> [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >> use the links above. >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >> list. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > -- Dave Londry TRGuys.com davel at trguys.com Cell 604-721-2278 Landline 604-589-9182 Skype embeddedspaces From kenn_green at yahoo.com Tue Apr 2 15:11:11 2019 From: kenn_green at yahoo.com (Ken Green) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 19:11:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] A very good deal or am I missing something? References: <2124406310.15394013.1554232271587.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2124406310.15394013.1554232271587@mail.yahoo.com> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-De-Tomaso-Pantera/283438040684 -------------- next part -------------- [1]https://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-De-Tomaso-Pantera/283438040684 References 1. https://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-De-Tomaso-Pantera/283438040684 From julian_kift at hotmail.com Tue Apr 2 15:15:58 2019 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 19:15:58 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] A very good deal or am I missing something? In-Reply-To: <2124406310.15394013.1554232271587@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2124406310.15394013.1554232271587.ref@mail.yahoo.com>, <2124406310.15394013.1554232271587@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Only thing you are missing is it is highly likely a scam. Classified Ad, no buy it now but contact seller? I'm betting if you contact him/her there will be a back story or off eBay transaction. Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2019 12:11 PM To: DeTomaso Mail List Subject: [DeTomaso] A very good deal or am I missing something? https://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-De-Tomaso-Pantera/283438040684 -------------- next part -------------- Only thing you are missing is it is highly likely a scam. Classified Ad, no buy it now but contact seller? I'm betting if you contact him/her there will be a back story or off eBay transaction. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2019 12:11 PM To: DeTomaso Mail List Subject: [DeTomaso] A very good deal or am I missing something? [1]https://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-De-Tomaso-Pantera/283438040684 References 1. https://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-De-Tomaso-Pantera/283438040684 From detomasoregistry at gmail.com Tue Apr 2 15:34:49 2019 From: detomasoregistry at gmail.com (The DeTomaso Registry Guy) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 12:34:49 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] A very good deal or am I missing something? In-Reply-To: <2124406310.15394013.1554232271587@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2124406310.15394013.1554232271587.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2124406310.15394013.1554232271587@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I recognize this car. We could make this a "Match Game" example... Anyone that wants to try to find this car in the registry using the information provided.... Well don't read my next message until after you play the match game. The answer is... Chuck https://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-De-Tomaso-Pantera/283438040684 From detomasoregistry at gmail.com Tue Apr 2 15:39:50 2019 From: detomasoregistry at gmail.com (The DeTomaso Registry Guy) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 12:39:50 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] A very good deal or am I missing something? In-Reply-To: <2124406310.15394013.1554232271587@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2124406310.15394013.1554232271587.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2124406310.15394013.1554232271587@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Match Game players... How did I find this car so quickly ? I zoomed in on the VIN plate, and while I could not read the VIN I could make a fair guess at the motor number as ?64? Searching the motor numbers I started with 364? and matched the features (pretty much stock) and the side mirrors. This is Pantera L 4648. Chuck https://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-De-Tomaso-Pantera/283438040684 From detomasoregistry at gmail.com Tue Apr 2 15:44:28 2019 From: detomasoregistry at gmail.com (The DeTomaso Registry Guy) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 12:44:28 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] A very good deal or am I missing something? In-Reply-To: References: <2124406310.15394013.1554232271587.ref@mail.yahoo.com>, <2124406310.15394013.1554232271587@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Only thing you are missing is it is highly likely a scam. Classified Ad, no buy it now but contact seller? I'm betting if you contact him/her there will be a back story or off eBay transaction. Julian ________________________________ Some of the current advert photos are not in the registry, so if this is a scam they didn't get the pics from the registry. The photos shown don't carry the registry hidden watermark either. Chuck https://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-De-Tomaso-Pantera/283438040684 From MikeLDrew at aol.com Tue Apr 2 15:45:50 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 12:45:50 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] A very good deal or am I missing something? In-Reply-To: References: <2124406310.15394013.1554232271587.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2124406310.15394013.1554232271587@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: All, I think I remember seeing this car in a (perhaps) legitimate sale on eBay a year or so ago? Mike Sent from my iPad > On Apr 2, 2019, at 12:44, The DeTomaso Registry Guy wrote: > > > Only thing you are missing is it is highly likely a scam. Classified Ad, no buy it now but contact seller? I'm betting if you > contact him/her there will be a back story or off eBay transaction. > > Julian > ________________________________ > > Some of the current advert photos are not in the registry, so if this is a scam > they didn't get the pics from the registry. > > The photos shown don't carry the registry hidden watermark either. > > Chuck > > > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-De-Tomaso-Pantera/283438040684 > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From MikeLDrew at aol.com Tue Apr 2 22:59:29 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 21:59:29 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] A very good deal or am I missing something? In-Reply-To: References: <2124406310.15394013.1554232271587.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2124406310.15394013.1554232271587@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: FWIW I contacted the seller to ask about a viewing and he said I could see it this coming weekend? So maybe it is legit after all? Mike Sent from my iPad > On Apr 2, 2019, at 14:45, Mike Drew via DeTomaso wrote: > > All, > > I think I remember seeing this car in a (perhaps) legitimate sale on eBay a year or so ago? > > Mike > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Apr 2, 2019, at 12:44, The DeTomaso Registry Guy wrote: >> >> >> Only thing you are missing is it is highly likely a scam. Classified Ad, no buy it now but contact seller? I'm betting if you >> contact him/her there will be a back story or off eBay transaction. >> >> Julian >> ________________________________ >> >> Some of the current advert photos are not in the registry, so if this is a scam >> they didn't get the pics from the registry. >> >> The photos shown don't carry the registry hidden watermark either. >> >> Chuck >> >> >> >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-De-Tomaso-Pantera/283438040684 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From MikeLDrew at aol.com Tue Apr 2 23:03:34 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 22:03:34 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] A/C bracket for a DART block? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <73147992-5196-4055-80A8-A9C1FC5DB3EE@aol.com> Dan, Great, thanks! I have asked Bobby if he thinks it would fit a DART aluminum Windsor, still waiting to hear back. I suppose I should call DART.... Mike Sent from my iPad > On Apr 2, 2019, at 00:39, Dan Pedersen wrote: > > Mike, > > I have an iron Dart SHP Windsor block and the regular Windsor A/C and alternator bracket for a Pantera from Bob Byars lined up perfectly with the pre-existing holes in the block. (Part # - AC1100) > > There may be a difference with the aluminum block but it's likely to be the same. > > And this A/C bracket is completely different from the stock Cleveland one. > > Dan > > >> On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 3:26 PM Mike Drew via DeTomaso wrote: >> Guys, >> >> Fellow in Sweden has an aluminum DART Windsor block and wants to install A/C. Are DART blocks different from regular 351W blocks in terms of the brackets required? >> >> Do Windsor cars use different brackets from Cleveland cars? >> >> Mike >> >> Sent from my iPad >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Dan, Great, thanks! I have asked Bobby if he thinks it would fit a DART aluminum Windsor, still waiting to hear back. I suppose I should call DART.... Mike Sent from my iPad On Apr 2, 2019, at 00:39, Dan Pedersen <[1]thells86 at gmail.com> wrote: Mike, I have an iron Dart SHP Windsor block and the regular Windsor A/C and alternator bracket for a Pantera from Bob Byars lined up perfectly with the pre-existing holes in the block. (Part # - AC1100) There may be a difference with the aluminum block but it's likely to be the same. And this A/C bracket is completely different from the stock Cleveland one. Dan On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 3:26 PM Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: Guys, Fellow in Sweden has an aluminum DART Windsor block and wants to install A/C. Are DART blocks different from regular 351W blocks in terms of the brackets required? Do Windsor cars use different brackets from Cleveland cars? Mike Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [3]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:thells86 at gmail.com 2. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 3. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From julian_kift at hotmail.com Tue Apr 2 23:27:45 2019 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2019 03:27:45 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] A/C bracket for a DART block? In-Reply-To: <73147992-5196-4055-80A8-A9C1FC5DB3EE@aol.com> References: , <73147992-5196-4055-80A8-A9C1FC5DB3EE@aol.com> Message-ID: Getting the Swedish block owner to send a photo of the front of the block would help. Photos of generic bare Dart aluminum blocks online don?t seem to show any tapped holes, but I suspect they can be ordered with, as I?m sure a lot of these blocks end up in street vehicles. Julian > On Apr 2, 2019, at 20:05, Mike Drew via DeTomaso wrote: > > Dan, > > Great, thanks! I have asked Bobby if he thinks it would fit a DART > aluminum Windsor, still waiting to hear back. I suppose I should call > DART.... > > Mike > Sent from my iPad > On Apr 2, 2019, at 00:39, Dan Pedersen <[1]thells86 at gmail.com> wrote: > > Mike, > I have an iron Dart SHP Windsor block and the regular Windsor A/C and > alternator bracket for a Pantera from Bob Byars lined up perfectly with > the pre-existing holes in the block. (Part # - AC1100) > There may be a difference with the aluminum block but it's likely to be > the same. > And this A/C bracket is completely different from the stock Cleveland > one. > Dan > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 3:26 PM Mike Drew via DeTomaso > <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > > Guys, > Fellow in Sweden has an aluminum DART Windsor block and wants to > install A/C. Are DART blocks different from regular 351W blocks in > terms of the brackets required? > Do Windsor cars use different brackets from Cleveland cars? > Mike > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [3]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) use the links above. > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of > the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an > archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > References > > 1. mailto:thells86 at gmail.com > 2. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com > 3. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From garth_rodericks at yahoo.com Wed Apr 3 13:29:11 2019 From: garth_rodericks at yahoo.com (Garth Rodericks) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2019 17:29:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] A very good deal or am I missing something? References: <28106987.16253971.1554312551971.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <28106987.16253971.1554312551971@mail.yahoo.com> Hmmm...? I contacted the seller too and asked to come see it, but haven't received a response. FWIW I contacted the seller to ask about a viewing and he said I could see it this coming weekend? So maybe it is legit after all? Mike Sent from my iPad > On Apr 2, 2019, at 14:45, Mike Drew via DeTomaso wrote: > > All, > > I think I remember seeing this car in a (perhaps) legitimate sale on eBay a year or so ago? > > Mike > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Apr 2, 2019, at 12:44, The DeTomaso Registry Guy wrote: >> >> >> Only thing you are missing is it is highly likely a scam. Classified Ad, no buy it now but contact seller? I'm betting if you >> contact him/her there will be a back story or off eBay transaction. >> >> Julian >> ________________________________ >> >> Some of the current advert photos are not in the registry, so if this is a scam >> they didn't get the pics from the registry. >> >> The photos shown don't carry the registry hidden watermark either. >> >> Chuck >> >> >> >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-De-Tomaso-Pantera/283438040684 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> -------------- next part -------------- Hmmm... I contacted the seller too and asked to come see it, but haven't received a response. FWIW I contacted the seller to ask about a viewing and he said I could see it th is coming weekend? So maybe it is legit after all? Mike Sent from my iPad > On Apr 2, 2019, at 14:45, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso at server.detoma solist.com> wrote: > > All, > > I think I remember seeing this car in a (perhaps) legitimate sale on eBay a ye ar or so ago? > > Mike > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Apr 2, 2019, at 12:44, The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[2]detomasoregistry at g mail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Only thing you are missing is it is highly likely a scam. Classified Ad, no b uy it now but contact seller? I'm betting if you >> contact him/her there will be a back story or off eBay transaction. >> >> Julian >> ________________________________ >> >> Some of the current advert photos are not in the registry, so if this is a sc am >> they didn't get the pics from the registry. >> >> The photos shown don't carry the registry hidden watermark either. >> >> Chuck >> >> >> >> [3]https://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-De-Tomaso-Pantera/283438040684 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> References 1. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 3. https://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-De-Tomaso-Pantera/283438040684 From richard at richardgreenblum.com Thu Apr 4 12:24:50 2019 From: richard at richardgreenblum.com (Richard Greenblum) Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2019 11:24:50 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Engine Questions Message-ID: <0098E86E-DA4A-4811-A12E-04B7E9A8EAA9@richardgreenblum.com> I?m at it with questions again?are 351C flywheels 164 tooth? I?d like to know your experience/opinions on: Water Pumps?Flowkooler vs. Edelbrock Oil Pans?Aviaid vs. Armando (Mike explained they?re basically the same with Armando having come from Aviaid, but I thought there was some concern with the pan rails on Aramandos at one time) Does anyone have a stock timing pointer they?re willing to sell, or is this a prayer at a junkyard item?? Trying to avoid having to take it off the engine in the car? Thanks to all again, Richard Austin, TX -------------- next part -------------- I'm at it with questions again...are 351C flywheels 164 tooth? I'd like to know your experience/opinions on: Water Pumps--Flowkooler vs. Edelbrock Oil Pans--Aviaid vs. Armando (Mike explained they're basically the same with Armando having come from Aviaid, but I thought there was some concern with the pan rails on Aramandos at one time) Does anyone have a stock timing pointer they're willing to sell, or is this a prayer at a junkyard item? Trying to avoid having to take it off the engine in the car... Thanks to all again, Richard Austin, TX From MikeLDrew at aol.com Thu Apr 4 12:43:45 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2019 09:43:45 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Engine Questions In-Reply-To: <0098E86E-DA4A-4811-A12E-04B7E9A8EAA9@richardgreenblum.com> References: <0098E86E-DA4A-4811-A12E-04B7E9A8EAA9@richardgreenblum.com> Message-ID: <8658E54C-6259-49DC-B75C-FD4FAA5FDCCB@aol.com> > On Apr 4, 2019, at 09:24, Richard Greenblum wrote: > > I'm at it with questions again...are 351C flywheels 164 tooth? >>>Yes. If you use a Fidanza flywheel they don?t countersink the pressure plate mounting bolts properly. That takes a few minutes with a drill press to resolve. I have a Fidanza flywheel on my striker and it?s great but there are definite trade offs. It lurches and bucks in traffic requiring clutch slipping. Simply not enough flywheel effect. If you are going to spend much time at low speeds or in traffic you might be happier with a stock flywheel. Plus you already have one so there is a cost savings there. > > > > I'd like to know your experience/opinions on: > > > Water Pumps--Flowkooler vs. Edelbrock >>>Both are fine. Flowkooler made in China, Edelbrock 100% US made in Torrance CA. I use Edelbrock. > > > Oil Pans--Aviaid vs. Armando (Mike explained they're basically the same > with Armando having come from Aviaid, but I thought there was some > concern with the pan rails on Aramandos at one time) >>>They are identical. Both have issues because they start off using cheap Chinese stock pans as cores, then cut them apart to customize them. > > > > Does anyone have a stock timing pointer they're willing to sell, or is > this a prayer at a junkyard item? Trying to avoid having to take it > off the engine in the car... > > >>>I believe, but am not sure, that the Pantera pointer is Pantera-specific? Others would know far more than I would about that. Mike > From julian_kift at hotmail.com Thu Apr 4 13:33:37 2019 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2019 17:33:37 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Engine Questions In-Reply-To: <8658E54C-6259-49DC-B75C-FD4FAA5FDCCB@aol.com> References: <0098E86E-DA4A-4811-A12E-04B7E9A8EAA9@richardgreenblum.com>, <8658E54C-6259-49DC-B75C-FD4FAA5FDCCB@aol.com> Message-ID: You might consider a billet steel flywheel, which will be somewhere between the aluminum and stock for rotating mass. There are any number of aftermarket water pumps available with increased flow, some have the bypass some do not and I do not recall which currently, maybe you have that figured out only quoting Flowkooler and Edelbrock? Without the bypass the correct 351C thermostat with the hat and block off are redundant as no bypass can occur. Scott at SACC Restorations also sells a water pump overdrive pulley that will increase flow by a further 11%. I have heard good feedback on the Kevko oil pan, basically the same design and used to be about half the price of Aviaid or Armando, but in looking I see they are now $355 and you have to purchase the pickup separate for an additional $60. https://kevkoracing.com/products/part-f602-400-m-ford-pantera-pan FYI Aviaid/Armando Pantera pans no longer have an oil temperature bung standard, so if you want that capability be sure to call it out on ordering. Stock 351C timing pointers were almost unobtainium for a while with only used ones occasionally coming up on eBay and selling for inflated prices, but I thought someone tooled up and is making them again? I don't believe they are Pantera specific, the crank pulley however is. When you do get a pointer don't rely on it and the harmonic balancer lining up at the mark when the engine is at TDC, do a physical check and if necessary re-mark or adjust the pointer. Taking the time to mark up the flywheel is also a time saver allowing checking timing via the hole in the ZF bellhousing. Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2019 9:43 AM To: Richard Greenblum Cc: detomaso Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Questions > On Apr 4, 2019, at 09:24, Richard Greenblum wrote: > > I'm at it with questions again...are 351C flywheels 164 tooth? >>>Yes. If you use a Fidanza flywheel they don?t countersink the pressure plate mounting bolts properly. That takes a few minutes with a drill press to resolve. I have a Fidanza flywheel on my striker and it?s great but there are definite trade offs. It lurches and bucks in traffic requiring clutch slipping. Simply not enough flywheel effect. If you are going to spend much time at low speeds or in traffic you might be happier with a stock flywheel. Plus you already have one so there is a cost savings there. > > > > I'd like to know your experience/opinions on: > > > Water Pumps--Flowkooler vs. Edelbrock >>>Both are fine. Flowkooler made in China, Edelbrock 100% US made in Torrance CA. I use Edelbrock. > > > Oil Pans--Aviaid vs. Armando (Mike explained they're basically the same > with Armando having come from Aviaid, but I thought there was some > concern with the pan rails on Aramandos at one time) >>>They are identical. Both have issues because they start off using cheap Chinese stock pans as cores, then cut them apart to customize them. > > > > Does anyone have a stock timing pointer they're willing to sell, or is > this a prayer at a junkyard item? Trying to avoid having to take it > off the engine in the car... > > >>>I believe, but am not sure, that the Pantera pointer is Pantera-specific? Others would know far more than I would about that. Mike > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- You might consider a billet steel flywheel, which will be somewhere between the aluminum and stock for rotating mass. There are any number of aftermarket water pumps available with increased flow, some have the bypass some do not and I do not recall which currently, maybe you have that figured out only quoting Flowkooler and Edelbrock? Without the bypass the correct 351C thermostat with the hat and block off are redundant as no bypass can occur. Scott at SACC Restorations also sells a water pump overdrive pulley that will increase flow by a further 11%. I have heard good feedback on the Kevko oil pan, basically the same design and used to be about half the price of Aviaid or Armando, but in looking I see they are now $355 and you have to purchase the pickup separate for an additional $60. [1]https://kevkoracing.com/products/part-f602-400-m-ford-pantera-pan FYI Aviaid/Armando Pantera pans no longer have an oil temperature bung standard, so if you want that capability be sure to call it out on ordering. Stock 351C timing pointers were almost unobtainium for a while with only used ones occasionally coming up on eBay and selling for inflated prices, but I thought someone tooled up and is making them again? I don't believe they are Pantera specific, the crank pulley however is. When you do get a pointer don't rely on it and the harmonic balancer lining up at the mark when the engine is at TDC, do a physical check and if necessary re-mark or adjust the pointer. Taking the time to mark up the flywheel is also a time saver allowing checking timing via the hole in the ZF bellhousing. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2019 9:43 AM To: Richard Greenblum Cc: detomaso Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Questions > On Apr 4, 2019, at 09:24, Richard Greenblum wrote: > > I'm at it with questions again...are 351C flywheels 164 tooth? >>>Yes. If you use a Fidanza flywheel they don't countersink the pressure plate mounting bolts properly. That takes a few minutes with a drill press to resolve. I have a Fidanza flywheel on my striker and it's great but there are definite trade offs. It lurches and bucks in traffic requiring clutch slipping. Simply not enough flywheel effect. If you are going to spend much time at low speeds or in traffic you might be happier with a stock flywheel. Plus you already have one so there is a cost savings there. > > > > I'd like to know your experience/opinions on: > > > Water Pumps--Flowkooler vs. Edelbrock >>>Both are fine. Flowkooler made in China, Edelbrock 100% US made in Torrance CA. I use Edelbrock. > > > Oil Pans--Aviaid vs. Armando (Mike explained they're basically the same > with Armando having come from Aviaid, but I thought there was some > concern with the pan rails on Aramandos at one time) >>>They are identical. Both have issues because they start off using cheap Chinese stock pans as cores, then cut them apart to customize them. > > > > Does anyone have a stock timing pointer they're willing to sell, or is > this a prayer at a junkyard item? Trying to avoid having to take it > off the engine in the car... > > >>>I believe, but am not sure, that the Pantera pointer is Pantera-specific? Others would know far more than I would about that. Mike > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. https://kevkoracing.com/products/part-f602-400-m-ford-pantera-pan 2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From MikeLDrew at aol.com Thu Apr 4 14:19:41 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2019 11:19:41 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Engine Questions In-Reply-To: References: <0098E86E-DA4A-4811-A12E-04B7E9A8EAA9@richardgreenblum.com> <8658E54C-6259-49DC-B75C-FD4FAA5FDCCB@aol.com> Message-ID: All, Here is one kind of stock timing pointer, available used here. https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/store/p/15454-Timing-Pointer-351C-Used-1973-Mercury-Cougar-/-1973-Ford-Mustang.html Miloden makes a 351C-specific pointer: https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mil-65783 CJ Pony Parts sells a Ford-style 351C pointer too: https://www.cjponyparts.com/engine-timing-pointer-351c-1970-1974/p/HW3106/ I can?t remember which kind of 351C pointer the Pantera used but I imagine either would work. Mike Sent from my iPad > On Apr 4, 2019, at 10:33, Julian Kift wrote: > > You might consider a billet steel flywheel, which will be somewhere between the aluminum and stock for rotating mass. > > There are any number of aftermarket water pumps available with increased flow, some have the bypass some do not and I do not recall which currently, maybe you have that figured out only quoting Flowkooler and Edelbrock? Without the bypass the correct 351C thermostat with the hat and block off are redundant as no bypass can occur. > Scott at SACC Restorations also sells a water pump overdrive pulley that will increase flow by a further 11%. > > I have heard good feedback on the Kevko oil pan, basically the same design and used to be about half the price of Aviaid or Armando, but in looking I see they are now $355 and you have to purchase the pickup separate for an additional $60. > https://kevkoracing.com/products/part-f602-400-m-ford-pantera-pan > FYI Aviaid/Armando Pantera pans no longer have an oil temperature bung standard, so if you want that capability be sure to call it out on ordering. > > Stock 351C timing pointers were almost unobtainium for a while with only used ones occasionally coming up on eBay and selling for inflated prices, but I thought someone tooled up and is making them again? I don't believe they are Pantera specific, the crank pulley however is. When you do get a pointer don't rely on it and the harmonic balancer lining up at the mark when the engine is at TDC, do a physical check and if necessary re-mark or adjust the pointer. Taking the time to mark up the flywheel is also a time saver allowing checking timing via the hole in the ZF bellhousing. > > Julian > > From: DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso > Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2019 9:43 AM > To: Richard Greenblum > Cc: detomaso > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Questions > > > > > On Apr 4, 2019, at 09:24, Richard Greenblum wrote: > > > > I'm at it with questions again...are 351C flywheels 164 tooth? > > >>>Yes. > > If you use a Fidanza flywheel they don?t countersink the pressure plate mounting bolts properly. That takes a few minutes with a drill press to resolve. > > I have a Fidanza flywheel on my striker and it?s great but there are definite trade offs. It lurches and bucks in traffic requiring clutch slipping. Simply not enough flywheel effect. If you are going to spend much time at low speeds or in traffic you might be happier with a stock flywheel. Plus you already have one so there is a cost savings there. > > > > > > > I'd like to know your experience/opinions on: > > > > > > Water Pumps--Flowkooler vs. Edelbrock > > >>>Both are fine. Flowkooler made in China, Edelbrock 100% US made in Torrance CA. I use Edelbrock. > > > > > Oil Pans--Aviaid vs. Armando (Mike explained they're basically the same > > with Armando having come from Aviaid, but I thought there was some > > concern with the pan rails on Aramandos at one time) > > >>>They are identical. Both have issues because they start off using cheap Chinese stock pans as cores, then cut them apart to customize them. > > > > > > > Does anyone have a stock timing pointer they're willing to sell, or is > > this a prayer at a junkyard item? Trying to avoid having to take it > > off the engine in the car... > > > > >>>I believe, but am not sure, that the Pantera pointer is Pantera-specific? Others would know far more than I would about that. > > Mike > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- All, Here is one kind of stock timing pointer, available used here. [1]https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/store/p/15454-Timing-Pointer-3 51C-Used-1973-Mercury-Cougar-/-1973-Ford-Mustang.html Miloden makes a 351C-specific pointer: [2]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mil-65783 CJ Pony Parts sells a Ford-style 351C pointer too: [3]https://www.cjponyparts.com/engine-timing-pointer-351c-1970-1974/p/H W3106/ I can't remember which kind of 351C pointer the Pantera used but I imagine either would work. Mike Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2019, at 10:33, Julian Kift <[4]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote: You might consider a billet steel flywheel, which will be somewhere between the aluminum and stock for rotating mass. There are any number of aftermarket water pumps available with increased flow, some have the bypass some do not and I do not recall which currently, maybe you have that figured out only quoting Flowkooler and Edelbrock? Without the bypass the correct 351C thermostat with the hat and block off are redundant as no bypass can occur. Scott at SACC Restorations also sells a water pump overdrive pulley that will increase flow by a further 11%. I have heard good feedback on the Kevko oil pan, basically the same design and used to be about half the price of Aviaid or Armando, but in looking I see they are now $355 and you have to purchase the pickup separate for an additional $60. [5]https://kevkoracing.com/products/part-f602-400-m-ford-pantera-pan FYI Aviaid/Armando Pantera pans no longer have an oil temperature bung standard, so if you want that capability be sure to call it out on ordering. Stock 351C timing pointers were almost unobtainium for a while with only used ones occasionally coming up on eBay and selling for inflated prices, but I thought someone tooled up and is making them again? I don't believe they are Pantera specific, the crank pulley however is. When you do get a pointer don't rely on it and the harmonic balancer lining up at the mark when the engine is at TDC, do a physical check and if necessary re-mark or adjust the pointer. Taking the time to mark up the flywheel is also a time saver allowing checking timing via the hole in the ZF bellhousing. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <[6]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2019 9:43 AM To: Richard Greenblum Cc: detomaso Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Questions > On Apr 4, 2019, at 09:24, Richard Greenblum <[8]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote: > > I'm at it with questions again...are 351C flywheels 164 tooth? >>>Yes. If you use a Fidanza flywheel they don't countersink the pressure plate mounting bolts properly. That takes a few minutes with a drill press to resolve. I have a Fidanza flywheel on my striker and it's great but there are definite trade offs. It lurches and bucks in traffic requiring clutch slipping. Simply not enough flywheel effect. If you are going to spend much time at low speeds or in traffic you might be happier with a stock flywheel. Plus you already have one so there is a cost savings there. > > > > I'd like to know your experience/opinions on: > > > Water Pumps--Flowkooler vs. Edelbrock >>>Both are fine. Flowkooler made in China, Edelbrock 100% US made in Torrance CA. I use Edelbrock. > > > Oil Pans--Aviaid vs. Armando (Mike explained they're basically the same > with Armando having come from Aviaid, but I thought there was some > concern with the pan rails on Aramandos at one time) >>>They are identical. Both have issues because they start off using cheap Chinese stock pans as cores, then cut them apart to customize them. > > > > Does anyone have a stock timing pointer they're willing to sell, or is > this a prayer at a junkyard item? Trying to avoid having to take it > off the engine in the car... > > >>>I believe, but am not sure, that the Pantera pointer is Pantera-specific? Others would know far more than I would about that. Mike > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [9]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [10]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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References 1. https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/store/p/15454-Timing-Pointer-351C-Used-1973-Mercury-Cougar-/-1973-Ford-Mustang.html 2. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mil-65783 3. https://www.cjponyparts.com/engine-timing-pointer-351c-1970-1974/p/HW3106/ 4. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 5. https://kevkoracing.com/products/part-f602-400-m-ford-pantera-pan 6. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 7. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 8. mailto:richard at richardgreenblum.com 9. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 10. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From julian_kift at hotmail.com Thu Apr 4 14:35:35 2019 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2019 18:35:35 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Engine Questions In-Reply-To: References: <0098E86E-DA4A-4811-A12E-04B7E9A8EAA9@richardgreenblum.com> <8658E54C-6259-49DC-B75C-FD4FAA5FDCCB@aol.com> , Message-ID: Mike, It's not that first style. One can also support Tim Meyer and get a fancy billet one in the color of your choice for less than the big boys want for a pressed steel repop; https://www.tmeyerinc.com/product/aeroflow-billet-timing-pointer-cleveland/ Julian ________________________________ From: Mike Drew Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2019 11:19 AM To: Julian Kift Cc: Richard Greenblum; detomaso Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Questions All, Here is one kind of stock timing pointer, available used here. https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/store/p/15454-Timing-Pointer-351C-Used-1973-Mercury-Cougar-/-1973-Ford-Mustang.html Miloden makes a 351C-specific pointer: https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mil-65783 CJ Pony Parts sells a Ford-style 351C pointer too: https://www.cjponyparts.com/engine-timing-pointer-351c-1970-1974/p/HW3106/ I can?t remember which kind of 351C pointer the Pantera used but I imagine either would work. Mike Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2019, at 10:33, Julian Kift > wrote: You might consider a billet steel flywheel, which will be somewhere between the aluminum and stock for rotating mass. There are any number of aftermarket water pumps available with increased flow, some have the bypass some do not and I do not recall which currently, maybe you have that figured out only quoting Flowkooler and Edelbrock? Without the bypass the correct 351C thermostat with the hat and block off are redundant as no bypass can occur. Scott at SACC Restorations also sells a water pump overdrive pulley that will increase flow by a further 11%. I have heard good feedback on the Kevko oil pan, basically the same design and used to be about half the price of Aviaid or Armando, but in looking I see they are now $355 and you have to purchase the pickup separate for an additional $60. https://kevkoracing.com/products/part-f602-400-m-ford-pantera-pan FYI Aviaid/Armando Pantera pans no longer have an oil temperature bung standard, so if you want that capability be sure to call it out on ordering. Stock 351C timing pointers were almost unobtainium for a while with only used ones occasionally coming up on eBay and selling for inflated prices, but I thought someone tooled up and is making them again? I don't believe they are Pantera specific, the crank pulley however is. When you do get a pointer don't rely on it and the harmonic balancer lining up at the mark when the engine is at TDC, do a physical check and if necessary re-mark or adjust the pointer. Taking the time to mark up the flywheel is also a time saver allowing checking timing via the hole in the ZF bellhousing. Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso > on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso > Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2019 9:43 AM To: Richard Greenblum Cc: detomaso Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Questions > On Apr 4, 2019, at 09:24, Richard Greenblum > wrote: > > I'm at it with questions again...are 351C flywheels 164 tooth? >>>Yes. If you use a Fidanza flywheel they don?t countersink the pressure plate mounting bolts properly. That takes a few minutes with a drill press to resolve. I have a Fidanza flywheel on my striker and it?s great but there are definite trade offs. It lurches and bucks in traffic requiring clutch slipping. Simply not enough flywheel effect. If you are going to spend much time at low speeds or in traffic you might be happier with a stock flywheel. Plus you already have one so there is a cost savings there. > > > > I'd like to know your experience/opinions on: > > > Water Pumps--Flowkooler vs. Edelbrock >>>Both are fine. Flowkooler made in China, Edelbrock 100% US made in Torrance CA. I use Edelbrock. > > > Oil Pans--Aviaid vs. Armando (Mike explained they're basically the same > with Armando having come from Aviaid, but I thought there was some > concern with the pan rails on Aramandos at one time) >>>They are identical. Both have issues because they start off using cheap Chinese stock pans as cores, then cut them apart to customize them. > > > > Does anyone have a stock timing pointer they're willing to sell, or is > this a prayer at a junkyard item? Trying to avoid having to take it > off the engine in the car... > > >>>I believe, but am not sure, that the Pantera pointer is Pantera-specific? Others would know far more than I would about that. Mike > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Mike, It's not that first style. One can also support Tim Meyer and get a fancy billet one in the color of your choice for less than the big boys want for a pressed steel repop; [1]https://www.tmeyerinc.com/product/aeroflow-billet-timing-pointer-cle veland/ Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: Mike Drew Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2019 11:19 AM To: Julian Kift Cc: Richard Greenblum; detomaso Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Questions All, Here is one kind of stock timing pointer, available used here. [2]https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/store/p/15454-Timing-Pointer-3 51C-Used-1973-Mercury-Cougar-/-1973-Ford-Mustang.html Miloden makes a 351C-specific pointer: [3]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mil-65783 CJ Pony Parts sells a Ford-style 351C pointer too: [4]https://www.cjponyparts.com/engine-timing-pointer-351c-1970-1974/p/H W3106/ I can't remember which kind of 351C pointer the Pantera used but I imagine either would work. Mike Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2019, at 10:33, Julian Kift <[5]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote: You might consider a billet steel flywheel, which will be somewhere between the aluminum and stock for rotating mass. There are any number of aftermarket water pumps available with increased flow, some have the bypass some do not and I do not recall which currently, maybe you have that figured out only quoting Flowkooler and Edelbrock? Without the bypass the correct 351C thermostat with the hat and block off are redundant as no bypass can occur. Scott at SACC Restorations also sells a water pump overdrive pulley that will increase flow by a further 11%. I have heard good feedback on the Kevko oil pan, basically the same design and used to be about half the price of Aviaid or Armando, but in looking I see they are now $355 and you have to purchase the pickup separate for an additional $60. [6]https://kevkoracing.com/products/part-f602-400-m-ford-pantera-pan FYI Aviaid/Armando Pantera pans no longer have an oil temperature bung standard, so if you want that capability be sure to call it out on ordering. Stock 351C timing pointers were almost unobtainium for a while with only used ones occasionally coming up on eBay and selling for inflated prices, but I thought someone tooled up and is making them again? I don't believe they are Pantera specific, the crank pulley however is. When you do get a pointer don't rely on it and the harmonic balancer lining up at the mark when the engine is at TDC, do a physical check and if necessary re-mark or adjust the pointer. Taking the time to mark up the flywheel is also a time saver allowing checking timing via the hole in the ZF bellhousing. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <[7]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2019 9:43 AM To: Richard Greenblum Cc: detomaso Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Questions > On Apr 4, 2019, at 09:24, Richard Greenblum <[9]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote: > > I'm at it with questions again...are 351C flywheels 164 tooth? >>>Yes. If you use a Fidanza flywheel they don't countersink the pressure plate mounting bolts properly. That takes a few minutes with a drill press to resolve. I have a Fidanza flywheel on my striker and it's great but there are definite trade offs. It lurches and bucks in traffic requiring clutch slipping. Simply not enough flywheel effect. If you are going to spend much time at low speeds or in traffic you might be happier with a stock flywheel. Plus you already have one so there is a cost savings there. > > > > I'd like to know your experience/opinions on: > > > Water Pumps--Flowkooler vs. Edelbrock >>>Both are fine. Flowkooler made in China, Edelbrock 100% US made in Torrance CA. I use Edelbrock. > > > Oil Pans--Aviaid vs. Armando (Mike explained they're basically the same > with Armando having come from Aviaid, but I thought there was some > concern with the pan rails on Aramandos at one time) >>>They are identical. Both have issues because they start off using cheap Chinese stock pans as cores, then cut them apart to customize them. > > > > Does anyone have a stock timing pointer they're willing to sell, or is > this a prayer at a junkyard item? Trying to avoid having to take it > off the engine in the car... > > >>>I believe, but am not sure, that the Pantera pointer is Pantera-specific? Others would know far more than I would about that. Mike > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [10]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [11]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. https://www.tmeyerinc.com/product/aeroflow-billet-timing-pointer-cleveland/ 2. https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/store/p/15454-Timing-Pointer-351C-Used-1973-Mercury-Cougar-/-1973-Ford-Mustang.html 3. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mil-65783 4. https://www.cjponyparts.com/engine-timing-pointer-351c-1970-1974/p/HW3106/ 5. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 6. https://kevkoracing.com/products/part-f602-400-m-ford-pantera-pan 7. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 8. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 9. mailto:richard at richardgreenblum.com 10. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 11. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From jderyke at aol.com Thu Apr 4 16:32:04 2019 From: jderyke at aol.com (jderyke at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2019 20:32:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Engine Questions References: <1621543651.17026317.1554409924371.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1621543651.17026317.1554409924371@mail.yahoo.com> Richard, there are three different 351-C timing pointers that I know of, so be careful paying for one sight unseen. They all interchange. Not sure if they are year-specific, but the one you definitely want to avoid is the 'late' style: it doesn't have an actual pointer but has a round hole in a sheet metal extension. This then holds an electronic sensor the size of a cigarette butt that works with a factory 'black-box' to detect the timing mark on the balancer. One with a pointer from a '70 block was quite small while the one from my late '72 was substantially larger, using two bolts and a dowel pin hole to mount. All stock 351-Cs use a gray-iron 164-tooth flywheel and they weigh around 40 lbs. Each time a flywheel is 'trued', it loses weight so a rusty beat-up one from a junkyard might weigh quite a bit more than a clean, reconditioned one. 10 minutes with a wire brush cleans up a rusty one unless it's badly scored or bent. Your Fidanza weighs about 15-17 lbs & unless you adjust your driving style, increase the idle speed or increase torque substantially, it WILL buck and lug in gear at low speeds. Steel aftermarket 'racing' flywheels can weigh as much as 55 lbs! To drag racers, 3300 lbs (stock Pantera) is considered a 'heavy' car and would drag better with a heavy flywheel. Road racing conversely needs as light a flywheel as possible. As they say, 'different horses for different courses....' ?Most Ford V8 flywheels interchange- you will be able to bolt on a 351-Windsor or even a big-block assembly, but small block units are usually 157-tooth. The clutch bolt-hole drillings vary, too. Those will also bolt on but the starter mount on the block will be out of position and will not spin the engine without much mod-ding. Pay close attention to the ring gear teeth on used flywheels- if only a few out of 164 teeth are worn or chipped, the thing may not work reliably because a given engine usually 'parks' at the same point in rotation each time its shut down, and starts off the same handful of teeth. The crank bolt pattern is non-symmetrical so you can't move the flywheel in refrence to the crank. Changing a flywheel ring gear is non-trivial because they are heat-shrunk on. A high-buck 'high-flow' water pump will not cure overheating; matter of fact, your temp gauge probably won't be able to detect much if any water temp differences between pumps once the car is thoroughly warmed up on the highway. Increasing pump speed with an under-driven pulley increases low speed water flow but cavitates at a lower rpm than stock on the highway. So it depends on where you spend most of your time. The major difference is whether there is a bypass port or not in the pump body. That in turn dictates if you'll need a Cleveland thermostat. No bypass means you can use about any thermostat- even some Chevy units fit. Drawback is a slightly extended warmup time and thus more startup emissions. Good luck in South Texas this summer- J DeRyke -----Original Message----- From: Richard Greenblum To: detomaso Sent: Thu, Apr 4, 2019 9:25 am Subject: [DeTomaso] Engine Questions ? I'm at it with questions again...are 351C flywheels 164 tooth? ? I'd like to know your experience/opinions on: ? Water Pumps--Flowkooler vs. Edelbrock ? Oil Pans--Aviaid vs. Armando (Mike explained they're basically the same ? with Armando having come from Aviaid, but I thought there was some ? concern with the pan rails on Aramandos at one time) ? Does anyone have a stock timing pointer they're willing to sell, or is ? this a prayer at a junkyard item?? Trying to avoid having to take it ? off the engine in the car... ? Thanks to all again, ? Richard ? Austin, TX _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Richard, there are three different 351-C timing pointers that I know of, so be careful paying for one sight unseen. They all interchange. Not sure if they are year-specific, but the one you definitely want to avoid is the 'late' style: it doesn't have an actual pointer but has a round hole in a sheet metal extension. This then holds an electronic sensor the size of a cigarette butt that works with a factory 'black-box' to detect the timing mark on the balancer. One with a pointer from a '70 block was quite small while the one from my late '72 was substantially larger, using two bolts and a dowel pin hole to mount. All stock 351-Cs use a gray-iron 164-tooth flywheel and they weigh around 40 lbs. Each time a flywheel is 'trued', it loses weight so a rusty beat-up one from a junkyard might weigh quite a bit more than a clean, reconditioned one. 10 minutes with a wire brush cleans up a rusty one unless it's badly scored or bent. Your Fidanza weighs about 15-17 lbs & unless you adjust your driving style, increase the idle speed or increase torque substantially, it WILL buck and lug in gear at low speeds. Steel aftermarket 'racing' flywheels can weigh as much as 55 lbs! To drag racers, 3300 lbs (stock Pantera) is considered a 'heavy' car and would drag better with a heavy flywheel. Road racing conversely needs as light a flywheel as possible. As they say, 'different horses for different courses....' Most Ford V8 flywheels interchange- you will be able to bolt on a 351-Windsor or even a big-block assembly, but small block units are usually 157-tooth. The clutch bolt-hole drillings vary, too. Those will also bolt on but the starter mount on the block will be out of position and will not spin the engine without much mod-ding. Pay close attention to the ring gear teeth on used flywheels- if only a few out of 164 teeth are worn or chipped, the thing may not work reliably because a given engine usually 'parks' at the same point in rotation each time its shut down, and starts off the same handful of teeth. The crank bolt pattern is non-symmetrical so you can't move the flywheel in refrence to the crank. Changing a flywheel ring gear is non-trivial because they are heat-shrunk on. A high-buck 'high-flow' water pump will not cure overheating; matter of fact, your temp gauge probably won't be able to detect much if any water temp differences between pumps once the car is thoroughly warmed up on the highway. Increasing pump speed with an under-driven pulley increases low speed water flow but cavitates at a lower rpm than stock on the highway. So it depends on where you spend most of your time. The major difference is whether there is a bypass port or not in the pump body. That in turn dictates if you'll need a Cleveland thermostat. No bypass means you can use about any thermostat- even some Chevy units fit. Drawback is a slightly extended warmup time and thus more startup emissions. Good luck in South Texas this summer- J DeRyke -----Original Message----- From: Richard Greenblum To: detomaso Sent: Thu, Apr 4, 2019 9:25 am Subject: [DeTomaso] Engine Questions I'm at it with questions again...are 351C flywheels 164 tooth? I'd like to know your experience/opinions on: Water Pumps--Flowkooler vs. Edelbrock Oil Pans--Aviaid vs. Armando (Mike explained they're basically the same with Armando having come from Aviaid, but I thought there was some concern with the pan rails on Aramandos at one time) Does anyone have a stock timing pointer they're willing to sell, or is this a prayer at a junkyard item? Trying to avoid having to take it off the engine in the car... Thanks to all again, Richard Austin, TX _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [1]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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References 1. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From b.hower3400 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 4 16:44:53 2019 From: b.hower3400 at yahoo.com (B Hower) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2019 20:44:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Engine Questions In-Reply-To: References: <0098E86E-DA4A-4811-A12E-04B7E9A8EAA9@richardgreenblum.com> <8658E54C-6259-49DC-B75C-FD4FAA5FDCCB@aol.com> Message-ID: <899848466.1248831.1554410693277@mail.yahoo.com> I? thought my Pantera came to me with style one Item #20668.I now am using style CJ's Part Number: HW3106 Timing Pointer - 351C - Used ~ 1973 Mercury Cougar / 1973 Ford Mustang | | | Timing Pointer - 351C - Used ~ 1973 Mer... | Item #: 20668 Mustang Engine Timing Pointer 351C 1970-1974 CJ's Part Number: HW3106 | | | Mustang Engine Timing Pointer 351C 1970... | Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 1:21:59 PM CDT, Mike Drew via DeTomaso wrote: ? All, ? Here is one kind of stock timing pointer, available used here. ? [1]https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/store/p/15454-Timing-Pointer-3 ? 51C-Used-1973-Mercury-Cougar-/-1973-Ford-Mustang.html ? Miloden makes a 351C-specific pointer: ? [2]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mil-65783 ? CJ Pony Parts sells a Ford-style 351C pointer too: ? [3]https://www.cjponyparts.com/engine-timing-pointer-351c-1970-1974/p/H ? W3106/ ? I can't remember which kind of 351C pointer the Pantera used but I ? imagine either would work. ? Mike ? Sent from my iPad ? On Apr 4, 2019, at 10:33, Julian Kift <[4]julian_kift at hotmail.com> ? wrote: ? You might consider a billet steel flywheel, which will be somewhere ? between the aluminum and stock for rotating mass. ? There are any number of aftermarket water pumps available with ? increased flow, some have the bypass some do not and I do not recall ? which currently, maybe you have that figured out only quoting ? Flowkooler and Edelbrock? Without the bypass the correct 351C ? thermostat with the hat and block off are redundant as no bypass can ? occur. ? Scott at SACC Restorations also sells a water pump overdrive pulley ? that will increase flow by a further 11%. ? I have heard good feedback on the Kevko oil pan, basically the same ? design and used to be about half the price of Aviaid or Armando, but in ? looking I see they are now $355 and you have to purchase the pickup ? separate for an additional $60. ? [5]https://kevkoracing.com/products/part-f602-400-m-ford-pantera-pan ? FYI Aviaid/Armando Pantera pans no longer have an oil temperature bung ? standard, so if you want that capability be sure to call it out on ? ordering. ? Stock 351C timing pointers were almost unobtainium for a while with ? only used ones occasionally coming up on eBay and selling for inflated ? prices, but I thought someone tooled up and is making them again? I ? don't believe they are Pantera specific, the crank pulley however is. ? When you do get a pointer don't rely on it and the harmonic balancer ? lining up at the mark when the engine is at TDC, do a physical check ? and if necessary re-mark or adjust the pointer. Taking the time to mark ? up the flywheel is also a time saver allowing checking timing via the ? hole in the ZF bellhousing. ? Julian ? ? __________________________________________________________________ ? From: DeTomaso <[6]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf ? of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> ? Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2019 9:43 AM ? To: Richard Greenblum ? Cc: detomaso ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Questions ? > On Apr 4, 2019, at 09:24, Richard Greenblum ? <[8]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote: ? > ? >? I'm at it with questions again...are 351C flywheels 164 tooth? ? >>>Yes. ? If you use a Fidanza flywheel they don't countersink the pressure plate ? mounting bolts properly. That takes a few minutes with a drill press to ? resolve. ? I have a Fidanza flywheel on my striker and it's great but there are ? definite trade offs. It lurches and bucks in traffic requiring clutch ? slipping. Simply not enough flywheel effect. If you are going to spend ? much time at low speeds or in traffic you might be happier with a stock ? flywheel. Plus you already have one so there is a cost savings there. ? > ? > ? > >? I'd like to know your experience/opinions on: ? > ? > ? >? Water Pumps--Flowkooler vs. Edelbrock ? >>>Both are fine. Flowkooler made in China, Edelbrock 100% US made in ? Torrance CA. I use Edelbrock. ? > ? > >? Oil Pans--Aviaid vs. Armando (Mike explained they're basically the ? same ? >? with Armando having come from Aviaid, but I thought there was some ? >? concern with the pan rails on Aramandos at one time) ? >>>They are identical. Both have issues because they start off using ? cheap Chinese stock pans as cores, then cut them apart to customize ? them. ? > ? > ? > >? Does anyone have a stock timing pointer they're willing to sell, ? or is ? >? this a prayer at a junkyard item?? Trying to avoid having to take ? it ? >? off the engine in the car... ? > ? > >>>I believe, but am not sure, that the Pantera pointer is ? Pantera-specific?? Others would know far more than I would about that. ? Mike ? > ? _______________________________________________ ? Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA ? Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes ? DeTomaso mailing list ? [9]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com ? [10]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso ? To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) ? use the links above. ? Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any ? message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the ? list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive ? or approve the archiving of list messages. 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Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- I thought my Pantera came to me with style one Item #20668. I now am using style CJ's Part Number: HW3106 [1]Timing Pointer - 351C - Used ~ 1973 Mercury Cougar / 1973 Ford Mustang [1460739173_t.jpg.cf.jpg] Timing Pointer - 351C - Used ~ 1973 Mer... Item #: 20668 [2]Mustang Engine Timing Pointer 351C 1970-1974 CJ's Part Number: HW3106 [hw3106.jpg.cf.jpg] Mustang Engine Timing Pointer 351C 1970... Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 1:21:59 PM CDT, Mike Drew via DeTomaso wrote: All, Here is one kind of stock timing pointer, available used here. [1][3]https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/store/p/15454-Timing-Pointe r-3 51C-Used-1973-Mercury-Cougar-/-1973-Ford-Mustang.html Miloden makes a 351C-specific pointer: [2][4]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mil-65783 CJ Pony Parts sells a Ford-style 351C pointer too: [3][5]https://www.cjponyparts.com/engine-timing-pointer-351c-1970-1974/ p/H W3106/ I can't remember which kind of 351C pointer the Pantera used but I imagine either would work. Mike Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2019, at 10:33, Julian Kift <[4][6]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote: You might consider a billet steel flywheel, which will be somewhere between the aluminum and stock for rotating mass. There are any number of aftermarket water pumps available with increased flow, some have the bypass some do not and I do not recall which currently, maybe you have that figured out only quoting Flowkooler and Edelbrock? Without the bypass the correct 351C thermostat with the hat and block off are redundant as no bypass can occur. Scott at SACC Restorations also sells a water pump overdrive pulley that will increase flow by a further 11%. I have heard good feedback on the Kevko oil pan, basically the same design and used to be about half the price of Aviaid or Armando, but in looking I see they are now $355 and you have to purchase the pickup separate for an additional $60. [5][7]https://kevkoracing.com/products/part-f602-400-m-ford-pantera-pan FYI Aviaid/Armando Pantera pans no longer have an oil temperature bung standard, so if you want that capability be sure to call it out on ordering. Stock 351C timing pointers were almost unobtainium for a while with only used ones occasionally coming up on eBay and selling for inflated prices, but I thought someone tooled up and is making them again? I don't believe they are Pantera specific, the crank pulley however is. When you do get a pointer don't rely on it and the harmonic balancer lining up at the mark when the engine is at TDC, do a physical check and if necessary re-mark or adjust the pointer. Taking the time to mark up the flywheel is also a time saver allowing checking timing via the hole in the ZF bellhousing. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <[6][8]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[7][9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2019 9:43 AM To: Richard Greenblum Cc: detomaso Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Questions > On Apr 4, 2019, at 09:24, Richard Greenblum <[8][10]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote: > > I'm at it with questions again...are 351C flywheels 164 tooth? >>>Yes. If you use a Fidanza flywheel they don't countersink the pressure plate mounting bolts properly. That takes a few minutes with a drill press to resolve. I have a Fidanza flywheel on my striker and it's great but there are definite trade offs. It lurches and bucks in traffic requiring clutch slipping. Simply not enough flywheel effect. If you are going to spend much time at low speeds or in traffic you might be happier with a stock flywheel. Plus you already have one so there is a cost savings there. > > > > I'd like to know your experience/opinions on: > > > Water Pumps--Flowkooler vs. Edelbrock >>>Both are fine. Flowkooler made in China, Edelbrock 100% US made in Torrance CA. I use Edelbrock. > > > Oil Pans--Aviaid vs. Armando (Mike explained they're basically the same > with Armando having come from Aviaid, but I thought there was some > concern with the pan rails on Aramandos at one time) >>>They are identical. Both have issues because they start off using cheap Chinese stock pans as cores, then cut them apart to customize them. > > > > Does anyone have a stock timing pointer they're willing to sell, or is > this a prayer at a junkyard item? Trying to avoid having to take it > off the engine in the car... > > >>>I believe, but am not sure, that the Pantera pointer is Pantera-specific? Others would know far more than I would about that. Mike > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [9][11]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [10][12]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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Some are for externally balanced and some not....? 302 changed their flywheel balance weight in IIRC 1985 .... the 71 250 and 300 inline 6 uses a zero balance flywheel. Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 3:32:22 PM CDT, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso wrote: ? Richard, there are three different 351-C timing pointers that I know ? of, so be careful paying for one sight unseen. They all interchange. ? Not sure if they are year-specific, but the one you definitely want to ? avoid is the 'late' style: it doesn't have an actual pointer but has a ? round hole in a sheet metal extension. This then holds an electronic ? sensor the size of a cigarette butt that works with a factory ? 'black-box' to detect the timing mark on the balancer. One with a ? pointer from a '70 block was quite small while the one from my late '72 ? was substantially larger, using two bolts and a dowel pin hole to ? mount. ? All stock 351-Cs use a gray-iron 164-tooth flywheel and they weigh ? around 40 lbs. Each time a flywheel is 'trued', it loses weight so a ? rusty beat-up one from a junkyard might weigh quite a bit more than a ? clean, reconditioned one. 10 minutes with a wire brush cleans up a ? rusty one unless it's badly scored or bent. Your Fidanza weighs about ? 15-17 lbs & unless you adjust your driving style, increase the idle ? speed or increase torque substantially, it WILL buck and lug in gear at ? low speeds. Steel aftermarket 'racing' flywheels can weigh as much as ? 55 lbs! To drag racers, 3300 lbs (stock Pantera) is considered a ? 'heavy' car and would drag better with a heavy flywheel. Road racing ? conversely needs as light a flywheel as possible. As they say, ? 'different horses for different courses....' ? ? Most Ford V8 flywheels interchange- you will be able to bolt on a ? 351-Windsor or even a big-block assembly, but small block units are ? usually 157-tooth. The clutch bolt-hole drillings vary, too. Those will ? also bolt on but the starter mount on the block will be out of position ? and will not spin the engine without much mod-ding. Pay close attention ? to the ring gear teeth on used flywheels- if only a few out of 164 ? teeth are worn or chipped, the thing may not work reliably because a ? given engine usually 'parks' at the same point in rotation each time ? its shut down, and starts off the same handful of teeth. The crank bolt ? pattern is non-symmetrical so you can't move the flywheel in refrence ? to the crank. Changing a flywheel ring gear is non-trivial because they ? are heat-shrunk on. ? A high-buck 'high-flow' water pump will not cure overheating; matter of ? fact, your temp gauge probably won't be able to detect much if any ? water temp differences between pumps once the car is thoroughly warmed ? up on the highway. Increasing pump speed with an under-driven pulley ? increases low speed water flow but cavitates at a lower rpm than stock ? on the highway. So it depends on where you spend most of your time. The ? major difference is whether there is a bypass port or not in the pump ? body. That in turn dictates if you'll need a Cleveland thermostat. No ? bypass means you can use about any thermostat- even some Chevy units ? fit. Drawback is a slightly extended warmup time and thus more startup ? emissions. Good luck in South Texas this summer- J DeRyke ? -----Original Message----- ? From: Richard Greenblum ? To: detomaso ? Sent: Thu, Apr 4, 2019 9:25 am ? Subject: [DeTomaso] Engine Questions ? ? I'm at it with questions again...are 351C flywheels 164 tooth? ? ? I'd like to know your experience/opinions on: ? ? Water Pumps--Flowkooler vs. Edelbrock ? ? Oil Pans--Aviaid vs. Armando (Mike explained they're basically the ? same ? ? with Armando having come from Aviaid, but I thought there was some ? ? concern with the pan rails on Aramandos at one time) ? ? Does anyone have a stock timing pointer they're willing to sell, or ? is ? ? this a prayer at a junkyard item?? Trying to avoid having to take it ? ? off the engine in the car... ? ? Thanks to all again, ? ? Richard ? ? Austin, TX ? _______________________________________________ ? Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA ? Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes ? DeTomaso mailing list ? [1]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com ? [2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso ? To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) ? use the links above. ? Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any ? message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the ? list. 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Some are for externally balanced and some not.... 302 changed their flywheel balance weight in IIRC 1985 .... the 71 250 and 300 inline 6 uses a zero balance flywheel. Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 3:32:22 PM CDT, Jack DeRyke via DeTomaso wrote: Richard, there are three different 351-C timing pointers that I know of, so be careful paying for one sight unseen. They all interchange. Not sure if they are year-specific, but the one you definitely want to avoid is the 'late' style: it doesn't have an actual pointer but has a round hole in a sheet metal extension. This then holds an electronic sensor the size of a cigarette butt that works with a factory 'black-box' to detect the timing mark on the balancer. One with a pointer from a '70 block was quite small while the one from my late '72 was substantially larger, using two bolts and a dowel pin hole to mount. All stock 351-Cs use a gray-iron 164-tooth flywheel and they weigh around 40 lbs. Each time a flywheel is 'trued', it loses weight so a rusty beat-up one from a junkyard might weigh quite a bit more than a clean, reconditioned one. 10 minutes with a wire brush cleans up a rusty one unless it's badly scored or bent. Your Fidanza weighs about 15-17 lbs & unless you adjust your driving style, increase the idle speed or increase torque substantially, it WILL buck and lug in gear at low speeds. Steel aftermarket 'racing' flywheels can weigh as much as 55 lbs! To drag racers, 3300 lbs (stock Pantera) is considered a 'heavy' car and would drag better with a heavy flywheel. Road racing conversely needs as light a flywheel as possible. As they say, 'different horses for different courses....' Most Ford V8 flywheels interchange- you will be able to bolt on a 351-Windsor or even a big-block assembly, but small block units are usually 157-tooth. The clutch bolt-hole drillings vary, too. Those will also bolt on but the starter mount on the block will be out of position and will not spin the engine without much mod-ding. Pay close attention to the ring gear teeth on used flywheels- if only a few out of 164 teeth are worn or chipped, the thing may not work reliably because a given engine usually 'parks' at the same point in rotation each time its shut down, and starts off the same handful of teeth. The crank bolt pattern is non-symmetrical so you can't move the flywheel in refrence to the crank. Changing a flywheel ring gear is non-trivial because they are heat-shrunk on. A high-buck 'high-flow' water pump will not cure overheating; matter of fact, your temp gauge probably won't be able to detect much if any water temp differences between pumps once the car is thoroughly warmed up on the highway. Increasing pump speed with an under-driven pulley increases low speed water flow but cavitates at a lower rpm than stock on the highway. So it depends on where you spend most of your time. The major difference is whether there is a bypass port or not in the pump body. That in turn dictates if you'll need a Cleveland thermostat. No bypass means you can use about any thermostat- even some Chevy units fit. Drawback is a slightly extended warmup time and thus more startup emissions. Good luck in South Texas this summer- J DeRyke -----Original Message----- From: Richard Greenblum <[1]richard at richardgreenblum.com> To: detomaso <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Thu, Apr 4, 2019 9:25 am Subject: [DeTomaso] Engine Questions I'm at it with questions again...are 351C flywheels 164 tooth? I'd like to know your experience/opinions on: Water Pumps--Flowkooler vs. Edelbrock Oil Pans--Aviaid vs. Armando (Mike explained they're basically the same with Armando having come from Aviaid, but I thought there was some concern with the pan rails on Aramandos at one time) Does anyone have a stock timing pointer they're willing to sell, or is this a prayer at a junkyard item? Trying to avoid having to take it off the engine in the car... Thanks to all again, Richard Austin, TX _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [1][3]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [2][4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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References 1. mailto:richard at richardgreenblum.com 2. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 3. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 5. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 7. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 8. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From davel at trguys.com Thu Apr 4 17:38:27 2019 From: davel at trguys.com (Dave Londry) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2019 14:38:27 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Engine Questions In-Reply-To: References: <0098E86E-DA4A-4811-A12E-04B7E9A8EAA9@richardgreenblum.com> <8658E54C-6259-49DC-B75C-FD4FAA5FDCCB@aol.com> Message-ID: Kevco is good stuff & still made in Minnesota as of 2 years go. They've been $355 for quite a while. If you don't use the bung on the front, take it out and use thread sealant on it. Dave On 2019-04-04 10:33 a.m., Julian Kift wrote: > You might consider a billet steel flywheel, which will be somewhere > between the aluminum and stock for rotating mass. > > There are any number of aftermarket water pumps available with > increased flow, some have the bypass some do not and I do not recall > which currently, maybe you have that figured out only quoting > Flowkooler and Edelbrock? Without the bypass the correct 351C > thermostat with the hat and block off are redundant as no bypass can > occur. > > Scott at SACC Restorations also sells a water pump overdrive pulley > that will increase flow by a further 11%. > > I have heard good feedback on the Kevko oil pan, basically the same > design and used to be about half the price of Aviaid or Armando, but in > looking I see they are now $355 and you have to purchase the pickup > separate for an additional $60. > > [1]https://kevkoracing.com/products/part-f602-400-m-ford-pantera-pan > > FYI Aviaid/Armando Pantera pans no longer have an oil temperature bung > standard, so if you want that capability be sure to call it out on > ordering. > > Stock 351C timing pointers were almost unobtainium for a while with > only used ones occasionally coming up on eBay and selling for inflated > prices, but I thought someone tooled up and is making them again? I > don't believe they are Pantera specific, the crank pulley however is. > When you do get a pointer don't rely on it and the harmonic balancer > lining up at the mark when the engine is at TDC, do a physical check > and if necessary re-mark or adjust the pointer. Taking the time to mark > up the flywheel is also a time saver allowing checking timing via the > hole in the ZF bellhousing. > > Julian > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: DeTomaso on behalf of > Mike Drew via DeTomaso > Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2019 9:43 AM > To: Richard Greenblum > Cc: detomaso > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Questions > > > On Apr 4, 2019, at 09:24, Richard Greenblum > wrote: > > > > I'm at it with questions again...are 351C flywheels 164 tooth? > >>>Yes. > If you use a Fidanza flywheel they don't countersink the pressure plate > mounting bolts properly. That takes a few minutes with a drill press to > resolve. > I have a Fidanza flywheel on my striker and it's great but there are > definite trade offs. It lurches and bucks in traffic requiring clutch > slipping. Simply not enough flywheel effect. If you are going to spend > much time at low speeds or in traffic you might be happier with a stock > flywheel. Plus you already have one so there is a cost savings there. > > > > > > > I'd like to know your experience/opinions on: > > > > > > Water Pumps--Flowkooler vs. Edelbrock > >>>Both are fine. Flowkooler made in China, Edelbrock 100% US made in > Torrance CA. I use Edelbrock. > > > > > Oil Pans--Aviaid vs. Armando (Mike explained they're basically the > same > > with Armando having come from Aviaid, but I thought there was some > > concern with the pan rails on Aramandos at one time) > >>>They are identical. Both have issues because they start off using > cheap Chinese stock pans as cores, then cut them apart to customize > them. > > > > > > > Does anyone have a stock timing pointer they're willing to sell, > or is > > this a prayer at a junkyard item? Trying to avoid having to take > it > > off the engine in the car... > > > > >>>I believe, but am not sure, that the Pantera pointer is > Pantera-specific? Others would know far more than I would about that. > Mike > > > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages. > > References > > 1. https://kevkoracing.com/products/part-f602-400-m-ford-pantera-pan > 2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -- Dave Londry TRGuys.com davel at trguys.com Cell 604-721-2278 Landline 604-589-9182 Skype embeddedspaces -------------- next part -------------- Kevco is good stuff & still made in Minnesota as of 2 years go. They've been $355 for quite a while. If you don't use the bung on the front, take it out and use thread sealant on it. Dave On 2019-04-04 10:33 a.m., Julian Kift wrote: You might consider a billet steel flywheel, which will be somewhere between the aluminum and stock for rotating mass. There are any number of aftermarket water pumps available with increased flow, some have the bypass some do not and I do not recall which currently, maybe you have that figured out only quoting Flowkooler and Edelbrock? Without the bypass the correct 351C thermostat with the hat and block off are redundant as no bypass can occur. Scott at SACC Restorations also sells a water pump overdrive pulley that will increase flow by a further 11%. I have heard good feedback on the Kevko oil pan, basically the same design and used to be about half the price of Aviaid or Armando, but in looking I see they are now $355 and you have to purchase the pickup separate for an additional $60. [1][1]https://kevkoracing.com/products/part-f602-400-m-ford-pantera-pan FYI Aviaid/Armando Pantera pans no longer have an oil temperature bung standard, so if you want that capability be sure to call it out on ordering. Stock 351C timing pointers were almost unobtainium for a while with only used ones occasionally coming up on eBay and selling for inflated prices, but I thought someone tooled up and is making them again? I don't believe they are Pantera specific, the crank pulley however is. When you do get a pointer don't rely on it and the harmonic balancer lining up at the mark when the engine is at TDC, do a physical check and if necessary re-mark or adjust the pointer. Taking the time to mark up the flywheel is also a time saver allowing checking timing via the hole in the ZF bellhousing. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso [2] on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso [3] Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2019 9:43 AM To: Richard Greenblum Cc: detomaso Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Questions > On Apr 4, 2019, at 09:24, Richard Greenblum [4] wrote: > > I'm at it with questions again...are 351C flywheels 164 tooth? >>>Yes. If you use a Fidanza flywheel they don't countersink the pressure plate mounting bolts properly. That takes a few minutes with a drill press to resolve. I have a Fidanza flywheel on my striker and it's great but there are definite trade offs. It lurches and bucks in traffic requiring clutch slipping. Simply not enough flywheel effect. If you are going to spend much time at low speeds or in traffic you might be happier with a stock flywheel. Plus you already have one so there is a cost savings there. > > > > I'd like to know your experience/opinions on: > > > Water Pumps--Flowkooler vs. Edelbrock >>>Both are fine. Flowkooler made in China, Edelbrock 100% US made in Torrance CA. I use Edelbrock. > > > Oil Pans--Aviaid vs. Armando (Mike explained they're basically the same > with Armando having come from Aviaid, but I thought there was some > concern with the pan rails on Aramandos at one time) >>>They are identical. Both have issues because they start off using cheap Chinese stock pans as cores, then cut them apart to customize them. > > > > Does anyone have a stock timing pointer they're willing to sell, or is > this a prayer at a junkyard item? Trying to avoid having to take it > off the engine in the car... > > >>>I believe, but am not sure, that the Pantera pointer is Pantera-specific? Others would know far more than I would about that. Mike > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [5]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [2][6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. [7]https://kevkoracing.com/products/part-f602-400-m-ford-pantera-pan 2. [8]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [9]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [10]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the li nks above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message p osted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of lis t messages. -- Dave Londry TRGuys.com [11]davel at trguys.com Cell 604-721-2278 Landline 604-589-9182 Skype embeddedspaces References 1. https://kevkoracing.com/products/part-f602-400-m-ford-pantera-pan 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 3. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 4. mailto:richard at richardgreenblum.com 5. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 7. https://kevkoracing.com/products/part-f602-400-m-ford-pantera-pan 8. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 9. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 10. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 11. mailto:davel at trguys.com From fresnofinches at aol.com Thu Apr 4 18:17:22 2019 From: fresnofinches at aol.com (Larry Finch) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2019 15:17:22 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Clutch MC mounting aid Message-ID: <2D6A7E75-F66F-490B-997E-16184A330010@aol.com> All, The sharing of tips amongst owners is one of the best things about this community because someone has always been there before us and found a better way. I would like to share something I fabbed up last week and while I have yet to install it, I see no reason how it will cause any issues. In the photos I have not yet welded the bolt heads to the support bracket but once that is done the project will be complete. Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. -------------- next part -------------- All, The sharing of tips amongst owners is one of the best things about this community because someone has always been there before us and found a better way. I would like to share something I fabbed up last week and while I have yet to install it, I see no reason how it will cause any issues. In the photos I have not yet welded the bolt heads to the support bracket but once that is done the project will be complete. Larry image1.jpeg image2.jpeg Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Login to the registry, review the entry for Unknown1431, then search the registry, and be the first person to find the match. You correct answer will be: 1) IF the car is present in the registry, state the VIN, if not in the registry, indicate this is a 'new' Pantera for the registry. 2) Describe >how< you searched to get your answer. DON"T POST YOUR ANSWER WITHOUT: SPOILER ALERT! in the subject line. Ready, Set GO ! Chuck The De Tomaso Registry Guy http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp -------------- next part -------------- I've received a few requests for another Match Game. I was even sent a worthy candidate which is now present in the registry for your viewing. See Unknown1431. Use the site map if you need to see Match Game instructions, the sample game, or some of the previous Match Game cars. Last time a keen-eyed Pantera-phile solved the game before I could even finishing building the photo page, so this time I'll just let you all take a shot at it, and if it is not solved in a few hours (a few minutes ???) I will post my solution. Login to the registry, review the entry for Unknown1431, then search the registry, and be the first person to find the match. You correct answer will be: 1) IF the car is present in the registry, state the VIN, if not in the registry, indicate this is a `new' Pantera for the registry. 2) Describe >how< you searched to get your answer. DON"T POST YOUR ANSWER WITHOUT: SPOILER ALERT! in the subject line. Ready, Set GO ! Chuck The De Tomaso Registry Guy [1]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp References 1. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp From johnmckee at cox.net Thu Apr 4 23:36:19 2019 From: johnmckee at cox.net (johnmckee) Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2019 20:36:19 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] SPOILER Match Game with Unknown1431 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20190405033624.QTUG7936.eastrmfepo203.cox.net@eastrmimpo110.cox.net> What is 4978 ?Interior color and exterior color search.JohnSent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy Date: 4/4/19 6:39 PM (GMT-08:00) To: List DeTomaso Forum Subject: [DeTomaso] Match Game with Unknown1431 I've received a few requests for another Match Game. I was even sent a worthy candidate which is now present in the registry for your viewing. See Unknown1431. Use the site map if you need to see Match Game instructions, the sample game, or some of the previous Match Game cars. Last time a keen-eyed Pantera-phile solved the game before I could even finishing building the photo page,so this time I'll just let you all take a shot at it, and if it is not solved in a few hours (a few minutes ???) I will postmy solution. Login to the registry, review the entry for Unknown1431, then search the registry, and be the first person to find the match. You correct answer will be: 1)?????? IF the car is present in the registry, state the VIN, if not in the registry, indicate this is a 'new' Pantera for theregistry.2)?????? Describe >how< you searched to get your answer. DON"T POST YOUR ANSWER WITHOUT:? SPOILER ALERT! in the subject line. Ready, Set GO ! Chuck The De Tomaso Registry Guyhttp://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp -------------- next part -------------- What is 4978 ? Interior color and exterior color search. John Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy Date: 4/4/19 6:39 PM (GMT-08:00) To: List DeTomaso Forum Subject: [DeTomaso] Match Game with Unknown1431 I've received a few requests for another Match Game. I was even sent a worthy candidate which is now present in the registry for your viewing. See Unknown1431. Use the site map if you need to see Match Game instructions, the sample game, or some of the previous Match Game cars. Last time a keen-eyed Pantera-phile solved the game before I could even finishing building the photo page, so this time I'll just let you all take a shot at it, and if it is not solved in a few hours (a few minutes ???) I will post my solution. Login to the registry, review the entry for Unknown1431, then search the registry, and be the first person to find the match. You correct answer will be: 1) IF the car is present in the registry, state the VIN, if not in the registry, indicate this is a 'new' Pantera for the registry. 2) Describe >how< you searched to get your answer. DON"T POST YOUR ANSWER WITHOUT: SPOILER ALERT! in the subject line. Ready, Set GO ! Chuck The De Tomaso Registry Guy http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp From asajay at asajay.com Thu Apr 4 23:42:51 2019 From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2019 20:42:51 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Engine Questions In-Reply-To: References: <0098E86E-DA4A-4811-A12E-04B7E9A8EAA9@richardgreenblum.com> <8658E54C-6259-49DC-B75C-FD4FAA5FDCCB@aol.com> Message-ID: <4252c825-8a6c-4c90-8c0e-df5aa08de76d@asajay.com> My 1973 L, which I purchased from the estate of the original owner, had that first style (long bar across entire front cover).? Earlier models I imagine did not.? The front cover had never been removed, so I don't imagine it had been replaced. My preference is for the earlier, more simple, style. Asa? Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired Spokane County ARES-RACES EC/RO ****************************** http://w7tsc.org http://www.teampanteraracing.com On 4/4/2019 11:35, Julian Kift wrote: > Mike, > > It's not that first style. > > One can also support Tim Meyer and get a fancy billet one in the color > of your choice for less than the big boys want for a pressed steel > repop; > > [1]https://www.tmeyerinc.com/product/aeroflow-billet-timing-pointer-cle > veland/ > > Julian > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: Mike Drew > Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2019 11:19 AM > To: Julian Kift > Cc: Richard Greenblum; detomaso > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Questions > > All, > Here is one kind of stock timing pointer, available used here. > [2]https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/store/p/15454-Timing-Pointer-3 > 51C-Used-1973-Mercury-Cougar-/-1973-Ford-Mustang.html > Miloden makes a 351C-specific pointer: > [3]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mil-65783 > CJ Pony Parts sells a Ford-style 351C pointer too: > [4]https://www.cjponyparts.com/engine-timing-pointer-351c-1970-1974/p/H > W3106/ > I can't remember which kind of 351C pointer the Pantera used but I > imagine either would work. > Mike > Sent from my iPad > On Apr 4, 2019, at 10:33, Julian Kift <[5]julian_kift at hotmail.com> > wrote: > > You might consider a billet steel flywheel, which will be somewhere > between the aluminum and stock for rotating mass. > There are any number of aftermarket water pumps available with > increased flow, some have the bypass some do not and I do not recall > which currently, maybe you have that figured out only quoting > Flowkooler and Edelbrock? Without the bypass the correct 351C > thermostat with the hat and block off are redundant as no bypass can > occur. > Scott at SACC Restorations also sells a water pump overdrive pulley > that will increase flow by a further 11%. > I have heard good feedback on the Kevko oil pan, basically the same > design and used to be about half the price of Aviaid or Armando, but in > looking I see they are now $355 and you have to purchase the pickup > separate for an additional $60. > [6]https://kevkoracing.com/products/part-f602-400-m-ford-pantera-pan > FYI Aviaid/Armando Pantera pans no longer have an oil temperature bung > standard, so if you want that capability be sure to call it out on > ordering. > Stock 351C timing pointers were almost unobtainium for a while with > only used ones occasionally coming up on eBay and selling for inflated > prices, but I thought someone tooled up and is making them again? I > don't believe they are Pantera specific, the crank pulley however is. > When you do get a pointer don't rely on it and the harmonic balancer > lining up at the mark when the engine is at TDC, do a physical check > and if necessary re-mark or adjust the pointer. Taking the time to mark > up the flywheel is also a time saver allowing checking timing via the > hole in the ZF bellhousing. > Julian > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: DeTomaso <[7]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf > of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2019 9:43 AM > To: Richard Greenblum > Cc: detomaso > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Questions > > > On Apr 4, 2019, at 09:24, Richard Greenblum > <[9]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote: > > > > I'm at it with questions again...are 351C flywheels 164 tooth? > >>>Yes. > If you use a Fidanza flywheel they don't countersink the pressure plate > mounting bolts properly. That takes a few minutes with a drill press to > resolve. > I have a Fidanza flywheel on my striker and it's great but there are > definite trade offs. It lurches and bucks in traffic requiring clutch > slipping. Simply not enough flywheel effect. If you are going to spend > much time at low speeds or in traffic you might be happier with a stock > flywheel. Plus you already have one so there is a cost savings there. > > > > > > > I'd like to know your experience/opinions on: > > > > > > Water Pumps--Flowkooler vs. Edelbrock > >>>Both are fine. Flowkooler made in China, Edelbrock 100% US made in > Torrance CA. I use Edelbrock. > > > > > Oil Pans--Aviaid vs. Armando (Mike explained they're basically the > same > > with Armando having come from Aviaid, but I thought there was some > > concern with the pan rails on Aramandos at one time) > >>>They are identical. Both have issues because they start off using > cheap Chinese stock pans as cores, then cut them apart to customize > them. > > > > > > > Does anyone have a stock timing pointer they're willing to sell, > or is > > this a prayer at a junkyard item? Trying to avoid having to take > it > > off the engine in the car... > > > > >>>I believe, but am not sure, that the Pantera pointer is > Pantera-specific? Others would know far more than I would about that. > Mike > > > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [10]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [11]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages. > > References > > 1. https://www.tmeyerinc.com/product/aeroflow-billet-timing-pointer-cleveland/ > 2. https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/store/p/15454-Timing-Pointer-351C-Used-1973-Mercury-Cougar-/-1973-Ford-Mustang.html > 3. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mil-65783 > 4. https://www.cjponyparts.com/engine-timing-pointer-351c-1970-1974/p/HW3106/ > 5. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com > 6. https://kevkoracing.com/products/part-f602-400-m-ford-pantera-pan > 7. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com > 8. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com > 9. mailto:richard at richardgreenblum.com > 10. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > 11. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- My 1973 L, which I purchased from the estate of the original owner, had that first style (long bar across entire front cover). Earlier models I imagine did not. The front cover had never been removed, so I don't imagine it had been replaced. My preference is for the earlier, more simple, style. Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired Spokane County ARES-RACES EC/RO ****************************** [1]http://w7tsc.org [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com On 4/4/2019 11:35, Julian Kift wrote: Mike, It's not that first style. One can also support Tim Meyer and get a fancy billet one in the color of your choice for less than the big boys want for a pressed steel repop; [1][3]https://www.tmeyerinc.com/product/aeroflow-billet-timing-pointer-cle veland/ Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: Mike Drew [4] Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2019 11:19 AM To: Julian Kift Cc: Richard Greenblum; detomaso Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Questions All, Here is one kind of stock timing pointer, available used here. [2][5]https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/store/p/15454-Timing-Pointer-3 51C-Used-1973-Mercury-Cougar-/-1973-Ford-Mustang.html Miloden makes a 351C-specific pointer: [3][6]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mil-65783 CJ Pony Parts sells a Ford-style 351C pointer too: [4][7]https://www.cjponyparts.com/engine-timing-pointer-351c-1970-1974/p/H W3106/ I can't remember which kind of 351C pointer the Pantera used but I imagine either would work. Mike Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2019, at 10:33, Julian Kift [8]<[5]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote: You might consider a billet steel flywheel, which will be somewhere between the aluminum and stock for rotating mass. There are any number of aftermarket water pumps available with increased flow, some have the bypass some do not and I do not recall which currently, maybe you have that figured out only quoting Flowkooler and Edelbrock? Without the bypass the correct 351C thermostat with the hat and block off are redundant as no bypass can occur. Scott at SACC Restorations also sells a water pump overdrive pulley that will increase flow by a further 11%. I have heard good feedback on the Kevko oil pan, basically the same design and used to be about half the price of Aviaid or Armando, but in looking I see they are now $355 and you have to purchase the pickup separate for an additional $60. [6][9]https://kevkoracing.com/products/part-f602-400-m-ford-pantera-pan FYI Aviaid/Armando Pantera pans no longer have an oil temperature bung standard, so if you want that capability be sure to call it out on ordering. Stock 351C timing pointers were almost unobtainium for a while with only used ones occasionally coming up on eBay and selling for inflated prices, but I thought someone tooled up and is making them again? I don't believe they are Pantera specific, the crank pulley however is. When you do get a pointer don't rely on it and the harmonic balancer lining up at the mark when the engine is at TDC, do a physical check and if necessary re-mark or adjust the pointer. Taking the time to mark up the flywheel is also a time saver allowing checking timing via the hole in the ZF bellhousing. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso [10]<[7]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso [11]<[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2019 9:43 AM To: Richard Greenblum Cc: detomaso Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Questions > On Apr 4, 2019, at 09:24, Richard Greenblum [12]<[9]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote: > > I'm at it with questions again...are 351C flywheels 164 tooth? >>>Yes. If you use a Fidanza flywheel they don't countersink the pressure plate mounting bolts properly. That takes a few minutes with a drill press to resolve. I have a Fidanza flywheel on my striker and it's great but there are definite trade offs. It lurches and bucks in traffic requiring clutch slipping. Simply not enough flywheel effect. If you are going to spend much time at low speeds or in traffic you might be happier with a stock flywheel. Plus you already have one so there is a cost savings there. > > > > I'd like to know your experience/opinions on: > > > Water Pumps--Flowkooler vs. Edelbrock >>>Both are fine. Flowkooler made in China, Edelbrock 100% US made in Torrance CA. I use Edelbrock. > > > Oil Pans--Aviaid vs. Armando (Mike explained they're basically the same > with Armando having come from Aviaid, but I thought there was some > concern with the pan rails on Aramandos at one time) >>>They are identical. Both have issues because they start off using cheap Chinese stock pans as cores, then cut them apart to customize them. > > > > Does anyone have a stock timing pointer they're willing to sell, or is > this a prayer at a junkyard item? Trying to avoid having to take it > off the engine in the car... > > >>>I believe, but am not sure, that the Pantera pointer is Pantera-specific? Others would know far more than I would about that. Mike > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [[13]10]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [11][14]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. [15]https://www.tmeyerinc.com/product/aeroflow-billet-timing-pointer-cleve land/ 2. [16]https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/store/p/15454-Timing-Pointer-351 C-Used-1973-Mercury-Cougar-/-1973-Ford-Mustang.html 3. [17]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mil-65783 4. [18]https://www.cjponyparts.com/engine-timing-pointer-351c-1970-1974/p/HW3 106/ 5. [19]mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 6. [20]https://kevkoracing.com/products/part-f602-400-m-ford-pantera-pan 7. [21]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 8. [22]mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 9. [23]mailto:richard at richardgreenblum.com 10. [24]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 11. [25]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [26]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [27]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the li nks above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message p osted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of lis t messages. References 1. http://w7tsc.org/ 2. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 3. https://www.tmeyerinc.com/product/aeroflow-billet-timing-pointer-cle 4. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 5. https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/store/p/15454-Timing-Pointer-3 6. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mil-65783 7. https://www.cjponyparts.com/engine-timing-pointer-351c-1970-1974/p/H 8. mailto:[5]julian_kift at hotmail.com 9. https://kevkoracing.com/products/part-f602-400-m-ford-pantera-pan 10. mailto:[7]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 11. mailto:[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 12. mailto:[9]richard at richardgreenblum.com 13. mailto:10]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 14. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 15. https://www.tmeyerinc.com/product/aeroflow-billet-timing-pointer-cleveland/ 16. https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/store/p/15454-Timing-Pointer-351C-Used-1973-Mercury-Cougar-/-1973-Ford-Mustang.html 17. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mil-65783 18. https://www.cjponyparts.com/engine-timing-pointer-351c-1970-1974/p/HW3106/ 19. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 20. https://kevkoracing.com/products/part-f602-400-m-ford-pantera-pan 21. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 22. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 23. mailto:richard at richardgreenblum.com 24. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 25. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 26. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 27. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From b.hower3400 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 5 07:45:28 2019 From: b.hower3400 at yahoo.com (B Hower) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2019 11:45:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Engine Questions In-Reply-To: <4252c825-8a6c-4c90-8c0e-df5aa08de76d@asajay.com> References: <0098E86E-DA4A-4811-A12E-04B7E9A8EAA9@richardgreenblum.com> <8658E54C-6259-49DC-B75C-FD4FAA5FDCCB@aol.com> <4252c825-8a6c-4c90-8c0e-df5aa08de76d@asajay.com> Message-ID: <713235675.81592.1554464728940@mail.yahoo.com> I agree with ASA, I also prefer the simple style. Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 10:43:18 PM CDT, Asa Jay Laughton wrote: ? My 1973 L, which I purchased from the estate of the original owner, had ? that first style (long bar across entire front cover).? Earlier models ? I imagine did not.? The front cover had never been removed, so I don't ? imagine it had been replaced. ? My preference is for the earlier, more simple, style. ? Asa? Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired Spokane County ARES-RACES EC/RO ****************************** [1]http://w7tsc.org [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com ? On 4/4/2019 11:35, Julian Kift wrote: ? Mike, ? It's not that first style. ? One can also support Tim Meyer and get a fancy billet one in the color ? of your choice for less than the big boys want for a pressed steel ? repop; ? [1][3]https://www.tmeyerinc.com/product/aeroflow-billet-timing-pointer-cle ? veland/ ? Julian ? ? __________________________________________________________________ ? From: Mike Drew [4] ? Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2019 11:19 AM ? To: Julian Kift ? Cc: Richard Greenblum; detomaso ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Questions ? All, ? Here is one kind of stock timing pointer, available used here. ? [2][5]https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/store/p/15454-Timing-Pointer-3 ? 51C-Used-1973-Mercury-Cougar-/-1973-Ford-Mustang.html ? Miloden makes a 351C-specific pointer: ? [3][6]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mil-65783 ? CJ Pony Parts sells a Ford-style 351C pointer too: ? [4][7]https://www.cjponyparts.com/engine-timing-pointer-351c-1970-1974/p/H ? W3106/ ? I can't remember which kind of 351C pointer the Pantera used but I ? imagine either would work. ? Mike ? Sent from my iPad ? On Apr 4, 2019, at 10:33, Julian Kift [8]<[5]julian_kift at hotmail.com> ? wrote: ? You might consider a billet steel flywheel, which will be somewhere ? between the aluminum and stock for rotating mass. ? There are any number of aftermarket water pumps available with ? increased flow, some have the bypass some do not and I do not recall ? which currently, maybe you have that figured out only quoting ? Flowkooler and Edelbrock? Without the bypass the correct 351C ? thermostat with the hat and block off are redundant as no bypass can ? occur. ? Scott at SACC Restorations also sells a water pump overdrive pulley ? that will increase flow by a further 11%. ? I have heard good feedback on the Kevko oil pan, basically the same ? design and used to be about half the price of Aviaid or Armando, but in ? looking I see they are now $355 and you have to purchase the pickup ? separate for an additional $60. ? [6][9]https://kevkoracing.com/products/part-f602-400-m-ford-pantera-pan ? FYI Aviaid/Armando Pantera pans no longer have an oil temperature bung ? standard, so if you want that capability be sure to call it out on ? ordering. ? Stock 351C timing pointers were almost unobtainium for a while with ? only used ones occasionally coming up on eBay and selling for inflated ? prices, but I thought someone tooled up and is making them again? I ? don't believe they are Pantera specific, the crank pulley however is. ? When you do get a pointer don't rely on it and the harmonic balancer ? lining up at the mark when the engine is at TDC, do a physical check ? and if necessary re-mark or adjust the pointer. Taking the time to mark ? up the flywheel is also a time saver allowing checking timing via the ? hole in the ZF bellhousing. ? Julian ? ? __________________________________________________________________ ? From: DeTomaso [10]<[7]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf ? of Mike Drew via DeTomaso [11]<[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> ? Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2019 9:43 AM ? To: Richard Greenblum ? Cc: detomaso ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Questions ? > On Apr 4, 2019, at 09:24, Richard Greenblum ? [12]<[9]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote: ? > ? >? I'm at it with questions again...are 351C flywheels 164 tooth? ? >>>Yes. ? If you use a Fidanza flywheel they don't countersink the pressure plate ? mounting bolts properly. That takes a few minutes with a drill press to ? resolve. ? I have a Fidanza flywheel on my striker and it's great but there are ? definite trade offs. It lurches and bucks in traffic requiring clutch ? slipping. Simply not enough flywheel effect. If you are going to spend ? much time at low speeds or in traffic you might be happier with a stock ? flywheel. Plus you already have one so there is a cost savings there. ? > ? > ? > >? I'd like to know your experience/opinions on: ? > ? > ? >? Water Pumps--Flowkooler vs. Edelbrock ? >>>Both are fine. Flowkooler made in China, Edelbrock 100% US made in ? Torrance CA. I use Edelbrock. ? > ? > >? Oil Pans--Aviaid vs. Armando (Mike explained they're basically the ? same ? >? with Armando having come from Aviaid, but I thought there was some ? >? concern with the pan rails on Aramandos at one time) ? >>>They are identical. Both have issues because they start off using ? cheap Chinese stock pans as cores, then cut them apart to customize ? them. ? > ? > ? > >? Does anyone have a stock timing pointer they're willing to sell, ? or is ? >? this a prayer at a junkyard item?? Trying to avoid having to take ? it ? >? off the engine in the car... ? > ? > >>>I believe, but am not sure, that the Pantera pointer is ? Pantera-specific?? Others would know far more than I would about that. ? Mike ? > ? _______________________________________________ ? Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA ? Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes ? DeTomaso mailing list ? 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Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- I agree with ASA, I also prefer the simple style. Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 10:43:18 PM CDT, Asa Jay Laughton wrote: My 1973 L, which I purchased from the estate of the original owner, had that first style (long bar across entire front cover). Earlier models I imagine did not. The front cover had never been removed, so I don't imagine it had been replaced. My preference is for the earlier, more simple, style. Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired Spokane County ARES-RACES EC/RO ****************************** [1][1]http://w7tsc.org [2][2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com On 4/4/2019 11:35, Julian Kift wrote: Mike, It's not that first style. One can also support Tim Meyer and get a fancy billet one in the color of your choice for less than the big boys want for a pressed steel repop; [1][3][3]https://www.tmeyerinc.com/product/aeroflow-billet-timing-point er-cle veland/ Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: Mike Drew [4]<[4]MikeLDrew at aol.com> Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2019 11:19 AM To: Julian Kift Cc: Richard Greenblum; detomaso Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Questions All, Here is one kind of stock timing pointer, available used here. [2][5][5]https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/store/p/15454-Timing-Poi nter-3 51C-Used-1973-Mercury-Cougar-/-1973-Ford-Mustang.html Miloden makes a 351C-specific pointer: [3][6][6]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mil-65783 CJ Pony Parts sells a Ford-style 351C pointer too: [4][7][7]https://www.cjponyparts.com/engine-timing-pointer-351c-1970-19 74/p/H W3106/ I can't remember which kind of 351C pointer the Pantera used but I imagine either would work. Mike Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2019, at 10:33, Julian Kift [8]<[5][8]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote: You might consider a billet steel flywheel, which will be somewhere between the aluminum and stock for rotating mass. There are any number of aftermarket water pumps available with increased flow, some have the bypass some do not and I do not recall which currently, maybe you have that figured out only quoting Flowkooler and Edelbrock? Without the bypass the correct 351C thermostat with the hat and block off are redundant as no bypass can occur. Scott at SACC Restorations also sells a water pump overdrive pulley that will increase flow by a further 11%. I have heard good feedback on the Kevko oil pan, basically the same design and used to be about half the price of Aviaid or Armando, but in looking I see they are now $355 and you have to purchase the pickup separate for an additional $60. [6][9][9]https://kevkoracing.com/products/part-f602-400-m-ford-pantera- pan FYI Aviaid/Armando Pantera pans no longer have an oil temperature bung standard, so if you want that capability be sure to call it out on ordering. Stock 351C timing pointers were almost unobtainium for a while with only used ones occasionally coming up on eBay and selling for inflated prices, but I thought someone tooled up and is making them again? I don't believe they are Pantera specific, the crank pulley however is. When you do get a pointer don't rely on it and the harmonic balancer lining up at the mark when the engine is at TDC, do a physical check and if necessary re-mark or adjust the pointer. Taking the time to mark up the flywheel is also a time saver allowing checking timing via the hole in the ZF bellhousing. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso [10]<[7][10]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso [11]<[8][11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2019 9:43 AM To: Richard Greenblum Cc: detomaso Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Questions > On Apr 4, 2019, at 09:24, Richard Greenblum [12]<[9][12]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote: > > I'm at it with questions again...are 351C flywheels 164 tooth? >>>Yes. If you use a Fidanza flywheel they don't countersink the pressure plate mounting bolts properly. That takes a few minutes with a drill press to resolve. I have a Fidanza flywheel on my striker and it's great but there are definite trade offs. It lurches and bucks in traffic requiring clutch slipping. Simply not enough flywheel effect. If you are going to spend much time at low speeds or in traffic you might be happier with a stock flywheel. Plus you already have one so there is a cost savings there. > > > > I'd like to know your experience/opinions on: > > > Water Pumps--Flowkooler vs. Edelbrock >>>Both are fine. Flowkooler made in China, Edelbrock 100% US made in Torrance CA. I use Edelbrock. > > > Oil Pans--Aviaid vs. Armando (Mike explained they're basically the same > with Armando having come from Aviaid, but I thought there was some > concern with the pan rails on Aramandos at one time) >>>They are identical. Both have issues because they start off using cheap Chinese stock pans as cores, then cut them apart to customize them. > > > > Does anyone have a stock timing pointer they're willing to sell, or is > this a prayer at a junkyard item? Trying to avoid having to take it > off the engine in the car... > > >>>I believe, but am not sure, that the Pantera pointer is Pantera-specific? Others would know far more than I would about that. Mike > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [[13]10][13]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [11][14][14]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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References 1. http://w7tsc.org/ 2. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 3. https://www.tmeyerinc.com/product/aeroflow-billet-timing-pointer-cle 4. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 5. https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/store/p/15454-Timing-Pointer-3 6. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mil-65783 7. https://www.cjponyparts.com/engine-timing-pointer-351c-1970-1974/p/H 8. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 9. https://kevkoracing.com/products/part-f602-400-m-ford-pantera-pan 10. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 11. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 12. mailto:richard at richardgreenblum.com 13. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 14. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 15. https://www.tmeyerinc.com/product/aeroflow-billet-timing-pointer-cleve 16. https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/store/p/15454-Timing-Pointer-351 17. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mil-65783 18. https://www.cjponyparts.com/engine-timing-pointer-351c-1970-1974/p/HW3 19. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 20. https://kevkoracing.com/products/part-f602-400-m-ford-pantera-pan 21. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 22. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 23. mailto:richard at richardgreenblum.com 24. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 25. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 26. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 27. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 28. http://w7tsc.org/ 29. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 30. https://www.tmeyerinc.com/product/aeroflow-billet-timing-pointer-cle 31. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 32. https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/store/p/15454-Timing-Pointer-3 33. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mil-65783 34. https://www.cjponyparts.com/engine-timing-pointer-351c-1970-1974/p/H 35. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 36. https://kevkoracing.com/products/part-f602-400-m-ford-pantera-pan 37. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 38. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 39. mailto:richard at richardgreenblum.com 40. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 41. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 42. https://www.tmeyerinc.com/product/aeroflow-billet-timing-pointer-cleveland/ 43. https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/store/p/15454-Timing-Pointer-351C-Used-1973-Mercury-Cougar-/-1973-Ford-Mustang.html 44. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mil-65783 45. https://www.cjponyparts.com/engine-timing-pointer-351c-1970-1974/p/HW3106/ 46. mailto:julian_kift at hotmail.com 47. https://kevkoracing.com/products/part-f602-400-m-ford-pantera-pan 48. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 49. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 50. mailto:richard at richardgreenblum.com 51. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 52. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 53. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 54. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 55. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 56. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From richard at richardgreenblum.com Fri Apr 5 08:05:52 2019 From: richard at richardgreenblum.com (Richard Greenblum) Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2019 07:05:52 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Engine Questions In-Reply-To: <713235675.81592.1554464728940@mail.yahoo.com> References: <0098E86E-DA4A-4811-A12E-04B7E9A8EAA9@richardgreenblum.com> <8658E54C-6259-49DC-B75C-FD4FAA5FDCCB@aol.com> <4252c825-8a6c-4c90-8c0e-df5aa08de76d@asajay.com> <713235675.81592.1554464728940@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4416CDC0-9BE2-4563-8746-2B4126ED7793@richardgreenblum.com> Looks like the TMeyer pointer is the way to go?simple and remarkably inexpensive.? I wish I could justify buying this iron block? Richard Austin, TX From: DeTomaso on behalf of B Hower via DeTomaso Reply-To: B Hower Date: Friday, April 5, 2019 at 06:45 To: , Asa Jay Laughton Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Questions I agree with ASA, I also prefer the simple style. Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 10:43:18 PM CDT, Asa Jay Laughton wrote: My 1973 L, which I purchased from the estate of the original owner, had that first style (long bar across entire front cover). Earlier models I imagine did not. The front cover had never been removed, so I don't imagine it had been replaced. My preference is for the earlier, more simple, style. Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired Spokane County ARES-RACES EC/RO ****************************** [1][1]http://w7tsc.org [2][2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com On 4/4/2019 11:35, Julian Kift wrote: Mike, It's not that first style. One can also support Tim Meyer and get a fancy billet one in the color of your choice for less than the big boys want for a pressed steel repop; [1][3][3]https://www.tmeyerinc.com/product/aeroflow-billet-timing-point er-cle veland/ Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: Mike Drew [4]<[4]MikeLDrew at aol.com> Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2019 11:19 AM To: Julian Kift Cc: Richard Greenblum; detomaso Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Questions All, Here is one kind of stock timing pointer, available used here. [2][5][5]https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/store/p/15454-Timing-Poi nter-3 51C-Used-1973-Mercury-Cougar-/-1973-Ford-Mustang.html Miloden makes a 351C-specific pointer: [3][6][6]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mil-65783 CJ Pony Parts sells a Ford-style 351C pointer too: [4][7][7]https://www.cjponyparts.com/engine-timing-pointer-351c-1970-19 74/p/H W3106/ I can't remember which kind of 351C pointer the Pantera used but I imagine either would work. Mike Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2019, at 10:33, Julian Kift [8]<[5][8]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote: You might consider a billet steel flywheel, which will be somewhere between the aluminum and stock for rotating mass. There are any number of aftermarket water pumps available with increased flow, some have the bypass some do not and I do not recall which currently, maybe you have that figured out only quoting Flowkooler and Edelbrock? Without the bypass the correct 351C thermostat with the hat and block off are redundant as no bypass can occur. Scott at SACC Restorations also sells a water pump overdrive pulley that will increase flow by a further 11%. I have heard good feedback on the Kevko oil pan, basically the same design and used to be about half the price of Aviaid or Armando, but in looking I see they are now $355 and you have to purchase the pickup separate for an additional $60. [6][9][9]https://kevkoracing.com/products/part-f602-400-m-ford-pantera- pan FYI Aviaid/Armando Pantera pans no longer have an oil temperature bung standard, so if you want that capability be sure to call it out on ordering. Stock 351C timing pointers were almost unobtainium for a while with only used ones occasionally coming up on eBay and selling for inflated prices, but I thought someone tooled up and is making them again? I don't believe they are Pantera specific, the crank pulley however is. When you do get a pointer don't rely on it and the harmonic balancer lining up at the mark when the engine is at TDC, do a physical check and if necessary re-mark or adjust the pointer. Taking the time to mark up the flywheel is also a time saver allowing checking timing via the hole in the ZF bellhousing. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso [10]<[7][10]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso [11]<[8][11]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2019 9:43 AM To: Richard Greenblum Cc: detomaso Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Questions > On Apr 4, 2019, at 09:24, Richard Greenblum [12]<[9][12]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote: > > I'm at it with questions again...are 351C flywheels 164 tooth? >>>Yes. If you use a Fidanza flywheel they don't countersink the pressure plate mounting bolts properly. That takes a few minutes with a drill press to resolve. I have a Fidanza flywheel on my striker and it's great but there are definite trade offs. It lurches and bucks in traffic requiring clutch slipping. Simply not enough flywheel effect. If you are going to spend much time at low speeds or in traffic you might be happier with a stock flywheel. Plus you already have one so there is a cost savings there. > > > > I'd like to know your experience/opinions on: > > > Water Pumps--Flowkooler vs. Edelbrock >>>Both are fine. Flowkooler made in China, Edelbrock 100% US made in Torrance CA. I use Edelbrock. > > > Oil Pans--Aviaid vs. Armando (Mike explained they're basically the same > with Armando having come from Aviaid, but I thought there was some > concern with the pan rails on Aramandos at one time) >>>They are identical. Both have issues because they start off using cheap Chinese stock pans as cores, then cut them apart to customize them. > > > > Does anyone have a stock timing pointer they're willing to sell, or is > this a prayer at a junkyard item? Trying to avoid having to take it > off the engine in the car... > > >>>I believe, but am not sure, that the Pantera pointer is Pantera-specific? Others would know far more than I would about that. Mike > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [[13]10][13]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [11][14][14]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Looks like the TMeyer pointer is the way to go--simple and remarkably inexpensive. I wish I could justify buying this iron block... Richard Austin, TX From: DeTomaso on behalf of B Hower via DeTomaso Reply-To: B Hower Date: Friday, April 5, 2019 at 06:45 To: , Asa Jay Laughton Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Questions I agree with ASA, I also prefer the simple style. Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) On Thursday, April 4, 2019, 10:43:18 PM CDT, Asa Jay Laughton <[1]asajay at asajay.com> wrote: My 1973 L, which I purchased from the estate of the original owner, had that first style (long bar across entire front cover). Earlier models I imagine did not. The front cover had never been removed, so I don't imagine it had been replaced. My preference is for the earlier, more simple, style. Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired Spokane County ARES-RACES EC/RO ****************************** [1][1][2]http://w7tsc.org [2][2][3]http://www.teampanteraracing.com On 4/4/2019 11:35, Julian Kift wrote: Mike, It's not that first style. One can also support Tim Meyer and get a fancy billet one in the color of your choice for less than the big boys want for a pressed steel repop; [1][3][3][4]https://www.tmeyerinc.com/product/aeroflow-billet-timing-po int er-cle veland/ Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: Mike Drew [4]<[4][5]MikeLDrew at aol.com> Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2019 11:19 AM To: Julian Kift Cc: Richard Greenblum; detomaso Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Questions All, Here is one kind of stock timing pointer, available used here. [2][5][5][6]https://secure.cougarpartscatalog.com/store/p/15454-Timing- Poi nter-3 51C-Used-1973-Mercury-Cougar-/-1973-Ford-Mustang.html Miloden makes a 351C-specific pointer: [3][6][6][7]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mil-65783 CJ Pony Parts sells a Ford-style 351C pointer too: [4][7][7][8]https://www.cjponyparts.com/engine-timing-pointer-351c-1970 -19 74/p/H W3106/ I can't remember which kind of 351C pointer the Pantera used but I imagine either would work. Mike Sent from my iPad On Apr 4, 2019, at 10:33, Julian Kift [8]<[5][8][9]julian_kift at hotmail.com> wrote: You might consider a billet steel flywheel, which will be somewhere between the aluminum and stock for rotating mass. There are any number of aftermarket water pumps available with increased flow, some have the bypass some do not and I do not recall which currently, maybe you have that figured out only quoting Flowkooler and Edelbrock? Without the bypass the correct 351C thermostat with the hat and block off are redundant as no bypass can occur. Scott at SACC Restorations also sells a water pump overdrive pulley that will increase flow by a further 11%. I have heard good feedback on the Kevko oil pan, basically the same design and used to be about half the price of Aviaid or Armando, but in looking I see they are now $355 and you have to purchase the pickup separate for an additional $60. [6][9][9][10]https://kevkoracing.com/products/part-f602-400-m-ford-pant era- pan FYI Aviaid/Armando Pantera pans no longer have an oil temperature bung standard, so if you want that capability be sure to call it out on ordering. Stock 351C timing pointers were almost unobtainium for a while with only used ones occasionally coming up on eBay and selling for inflated prices, but I thought someone tooled up and is making them again? I don't believe they are Pantera specific, the crank pulley however is. When you do get a pointer don't rely on it and the harmonic balancer lining up at the mark when the engine is at TDC, do a physical check and if necessary re-mark or adjust the pointer. Taking the time to mark up the flywheel is also a time saver allowing checking timing via the hole in the ZF bellhousing. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso [10]<[7][10][11]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso [11]<[8][11][12]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2019 9:43 AM To: Richard Greenblum Cc: detomaso Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Engine Questions > On Apr 4, 2019, at 09:24, Richard Greenblum [12]<[9][12][13]richard at richardgreenblum.com> wrote: > > I'm at it with questions again...are 351C flywheels 164 tooth? >>>Yes. If you use a Fidanza flywheel they don't countersink the pressure plate mounting bolts properly. That takes a few minutes with a drill press to resolve. I have a Fidanza flywheel on my striker and it's great but there are definite trade offs. It lurches and bucks in traffic requiring clutch slipping. Simply not enough flywheel effect. If you are going to spend much time at low speeds or in traffic you might be happier with a stock flywheel. Plus you already have one so there is a cost savings there. > > > > I'd like to know your experience/opinions on: > > > Water Pumps--Flowkooler vs. Edelbrock >>>Both are fine. Flowkooler made in China, Edelbrock 100% US made in Torrance CA. I use Edelbrock. > > > Oil Pans--Aviaid vs. Armando (Mike explained they're basically the same > with Armando having come from Aviaid, but I thought there was some > concern with the pan rails on Aramandos at one time) >>>They are identical. Both have issues because they start off using cheap Chinese stock pans as cores, then cut them apart to customize them. > > > > Does anyone have a stock timing pointer they're willing to sell, or is > this a prayer at a junkyard item? Trying to avoid having to take it > off the engine in the car... > > >>>I believe, but am not sure, that the Pantera pointer is Pantera-specific? Others would know far more than I would about that. Mike > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [[13]10][13][14]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [11][14][14][15]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomas o To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 110. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 111. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 112. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 113. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 114. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 115. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From detomasoregistry at gmail.com Fri Apr 5 11:10:27 2019 From: detomasoregistry at gmail.com (The DeTomaso Registry Guy) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2019 08:10:27 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] SPOILER Match Game with Unknown1431 In-Reply-To: <20190405033624.LLAH20542.eastrmfepo103.cox.net@eastrmimpo110.cox.net> References: <20190405033624.LLAH20542.eastrmfepo103.cox.net@eastrmimpo110.cox.net> Message-ID: Well Done John! You are also the first! The advert photos are not very good, which posed the challenge for me. But I remember seeing that particular burlwood version with the silver body and ?gray? interior some time earlier. After I posted the game, I realized it was not ?fair?, as that specific search was not ?officially? available yet. DOOP! on my part, so I made it available to everyone. So the people that tried matching immediately didn?t have access to it for the first ? hour. Thanks for playing! Chuck What is 4978 ? Interior color and exterior color search. John Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy Date: 4/4/19 6:39 PM (GMT-08:00) To: List DeTomaso Forum Subject: [DeTomaso] Match Game with Unknown1431 I've received a few requests for another Match Game. I was even sent a worthy candidate which is now present in the registry for your viewing. See Unknown1431. Use the site map if you need to see Match Game instructions, the sample game, or some of the previous Match Game cars. Last time a keen-eyed Pantera-phile solved the game before I could even finishing building the photo page, so this time I'll just let you all take a shot at it, and if it is not solved in a few hours (a few minutes ???) I will post my solution. Login to the registry, review the entry for Unknown1431, then search the registry, and be the first person to find the match. You correct answer will be: 1) IF the car is present in the registry, state the VIN, if not in the registry, indicate this is a 'new' Pantera for the registry. 2) Describe >how< you searched to get your answer. DON"T POST YOUR ANSWER WITHOUT: SPOILER ALERT! in the subject line. Ready, Set GO ! Chuck The De Tomaso Registry Guy http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp -------------- next part -------------- Well Done John! You are also the first! The advert photos are not very good, which posed the challenge for me. But I remember seeing that particular burlwood version with the silver body and "gray" interior some time earlier. After I posted the game, I realized it was not `fair', as that specific search was not `officially' available yet. DOOP! on my part, so I made it available to everyone. So the people that tried matching immediately didn't have access to it for the first 1/2 hour. Thanks for playing! Chuck What is 4978 ? Interior color and exterior color search. John Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy Date: 4/4/19 6:39 PM (GMT-08:00) To: List DeTomaso Forum Subject: [DeTomaso] Match Game with Unknown1431 I've received a few requests for another Match Game. I was even sent a worthy candidate which is now present in the registry for your viewing. See Unknown1431. Use the site map if you need to see Match Game instructions, the sample game, or some of the previous Match Game cars. Last time a keen-eyed Pantera-phile solved the game before I could even finishing building the photo page, so this time I'll just let you all take a shot at it, and if it is not solved in a few hours (a few minutes ???) I will post my solution. Login to the registry, review the entry for Unknown1431, then search the registry, and be the first person to find the match. You correct answer will be: 1) IF the car is present in the registry, state the VIN, if not in the registry, indicate this is a 'new' Pantera for the registry. 2) Describe >how< you searched to get your answer. DON"T POST YOUR ANSWER WITHOUT: SPOILER ALERT! in the subject line. Ready, Set GO ! Chuck The De Tomaso Registry Guy http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp From lindahuber at cox.net Fri Apr 5 15:21:43 2019 From: lindahuber at cox.net (Chuck and Linda Huber) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2019 12:21:43 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] FW: You have to admit this is big news! (La Toretta Resort going Margaritaville!) Message-ID: <002901d4ebe4$d0c74c60$7255e520$@cox.net> And to think I was really there - right in the Pearl City of Texas! Now imagine the best music in the world (??), fake margaritas and marginal food to boot. Can't wait, gotta get those steel drums out of the closet and dust them off. You are all invited. La Torretta Lake Resort & Spa along Lake Conroe, about 55 miles north of downtown Houston, will be transformed into Texas? first Margaritaville Resort, a Jimmy Buffett-themed concept. Atlanta-based Songy Highroads and The Wampold Cos. of Baton Rouge, Louisiana, purchased the La Torretta property in Montgomery, according to a press release and a spokesperson. The Plasencia Group represented the seller, the spokeswoman said. La Torretta has appeared in the top 10 on U.S. News & World Report?s "Best Pool Hotels in the USA" list and was No. 18 on the most recent ?Best Texas Resorts? list. -------------- next part -------------- And to think I was really there - right in the Pearl City of Texas! Now imagine the best music in the world (??), fake margaritas and marginal food to boot. Can't wait, gotta get those steel drums out of the closet and dust them off. You are all invited. [1]La Torretta Lake Resort & Spa along Lake Conroe, about 55 miles north of downtown Houston, will be transformed into Texas' first Margaritaville Resort, a [2]Jimmy Buffett-themed concept. Atlanta-based Songy Highroads and The Wampold Cos. of Baton Rouge, Louisiana, purchased the La Torretta property in Montgomery, according to a press release and a spokesperson. The Plasencia Group represented the seller, the spokeswoman said. La Torretta has appeared in the top 10 on U.S. News & World Report's "Best Pool Hotels in the USA" list and was No. 18 on the most recent "Best Texas Resorts" list. References 1. https://www.bizjournals.com/profile/company/org_ch_a4379e8cf2e51462d30e887bc85ee9b2 2. https://www.bizjournals.com/houston/search/results?q=Jimmy%20Buffett From larry at ohiotimecorp.com Fri Apr 5 15:31:11 2019 From: larry at ohiotimecorp.com (larry at ohiotimecorp.com) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2019 15:31:11 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] FW: You have to admit this is big news! (La Toretta Resort going Margaritaville!) In-Reply-To: <002901d4ebe4$d0c74c60$7255e520$@cox.net> References: <002901d4ebe4$d0c74c60$7255e520$@cox.net> Message-ID: <019e01d4ebe6$20b27a00$62176e00$@ohiotimecorp.com> Should I bring the pizza, Chuck? Larry (Northfield) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso On Behalf Of Chuck and Linda Huber Sent: April 05, 2019 3:22 PM To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] FW: You have to admit this is big news! (La Toretta Resort going Margaritaville!) And to think I was really there - right in the Pearl City of Texas! Now imagine the best music in the world (??), fake margaritas and marginal food to boot. Can't wait, gotta get those steel drums out of the closet and dust them off. You are all invited. La Torretta Lake Resort & Spa along Lake Conroe, about 55 miles north of downtown Houston, will be transformed into Texas? first Margaritaville Resort, a Jimmy Buffett-themed concept. Atlanta-based Songy Highroads and The Wampold Cos. of Baton Rouge, Louisiana, purchased the La Torretta property in Montgomery, according to a press release and a spokesperson. The Plasencia Group represented the seller, the spokeswoman said. La Torretta has appeared in the top 10 on U.S. News & World Report?s "Best Pool Hotels in the USA" list and was No. 18 on the most recent ?Best Texas Resorts? list. From byrdjf at embarqmail.com Fri Apr 5 16:21:46 2019 From: byrdjf at embarqmail.com (Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2019 16:21:46 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] FW: FW: You have to admit this is big news! (La Toretta Resort going Margaritaville!) Message-ID: <001501d4ebed$318fc830$94af5890$@com> Cheeseburgers! -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Larry - Cleveland via DeTomaso Sent: Friday, April 05, 2019 15:31 PM To: 'Chuck and Linda Huber'; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: You have to admit this is big news! (La Toretta Resort going Margaritaville!) Should I bring the pizza, Chuck? Larry (Northfield) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso On Behalf Of Chuck and Linda Huber Sent: April 05, 2019 3:22 PM To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] FW: You have to admit this is big news! (La Toretta Resort going Margaritaville!) And to think I was really there - right in the Pearl City of Texas! Now imagine the best music in the world (??), fake margaritas and marginal food to boot. Can't wait, gotta get those steel drums out of the closet and dust them off. You are all invited. La Torretta Lake Resort & Spa along Lake Conroe, about 55 miles north of downtown Houston, will be transformed into Texas? first Margaritaville Resort, a Jimmy Buffett-themed concept. Atlanta-based Songy Highroads and The Wampold Cos. of Baton Rouge, Louisiana, purchased the La Torretta property in Montgomery, according to a press release and a spokesperson. The Plasencia Group represented the seller, the spokeswoman said. La Torretta has appeared in the top 10 on U.S. News & World Report?s "Best Pool Hotels in the USA" list and was No. 18 on the most recent ?Best Texas Resorts? list. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From lotus0005 at hotmail.com Fri Apr 5 16:48:27 2019 From: lotus0005 at hotmail.com (Bill Lewis) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2019 20:48:27 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] FW: FW: You have to admit this is big news! (La Toretta Resort going Margaritaville!) In-Reply-To: <001501d4ebed$318fc830$94af5890$@com> References: <001501d4ebed$318fc830$94af5890$@com> Message-ID: Man, I have been talking to my wife for 10 years to buy a waterfront home on Lake Conroe. Never gonna flood like beach houses on the Gulf. So close to Houston. Never (normally) going to go down in value. We could drive our jet skis from our home to visit Jimmy Buffett and Margaritaville! Anybody have a crystal ball on the American economy for the next 10 years!!! ---Bill Lewis ________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. Sent: Friday, April 5, 2019 8:21 PM To: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] FW: FW: You have to admit this is big news! (La Toretta Resort going Margaritaville!) Cheeseburgers! -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Larry - Cleveland via DeTomaso Sent: Friday, April 05, 2019 15:31 PM To: 'Chuck and Linda Huber'; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: You have to admit this is big news! (La Toretta Resort going Margaritaville!) Should I bring the pizza, Chuck? Larry (Northfield) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso On Behalf Of Chuck and Linda Huber Sent: April 05, 2019 3:22 PM To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] FW: You have to admit this is big news! (La Toretta Resort going Margaritaville!) And to think I was really there - right in the Pearl City of Texas! Now imagine the best music in the world (??), fake margaritas and marginal food to boot. Can't wait, gotta get those steel drums out of the closet and dust them off. You are all invited. La Torretta Lake Resort & Spa along Lake Conroe, about 55 miles north of downtown Houston, will be transformed into Texas? first Margaritaville Resort, a Jimmy Buffett-themed concept. Atlanta-based Songy Highroads and The Wampold Cos. of Baton Rouge, Louisiana, purchased the La Torretta property in Montgomery, according to a press release and a spokesperson. The Plasencia Group represented the seller, the spokeswoman said. La Torretta has appeared in the top 10 on U.S. News & World Report?s "Best Pool Hotels in the USA" list and was No. 18 on the most recent ?Best Texas Resorts? list. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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We could drive our jet skis from our home to visit Jimmy Buffett and Margaritaville! Anybody have a crystal ball on the American economy for the next 10 years!!! ---Bill Lewis __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. Sent: Friday, April 5, 2019 8:21 PM To: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] FW: FW: You have to admit this is big news! (La Toretta Resort going Margaritaville!) Cheeseburgers! -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[1]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Larry - Cleveland via DeTomaso Sent: Friday, April 05, 2019 15:31 PM To: 'Chuck and Linda Huber'; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: You have to admit this is big news! (La Toretta Resort going Margaritaville!) Should I bring the pizza, Chuck? Larry (Northfield) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso On Behalf Of Chuck and Linda Huber Sent: April 05, 2019 3:22 PM To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] FW: You have to admit this is big news! (La Toretta Resort going Margaritaville!) And to think I was really there - right in the Pearl City of Texas! Now imagine the best music in the world (??), fake margaritas and marginal food to boot. Can't wait, gotta get those steel drums out of the closet and dust them off. You are all invited. <[2]https://www.bizjournals.com/profile/company/org_ch_a4379e8cf2e5146 2d30e887bc85ee9b2> La Torretta Lake Resort & Spa along Lake Conroe, about 55 miles north of downtown Houston, will be transformed into Texas' first Margaritaville Resort, a <[3]https://www.bizjournals.com/houston/search/results?q=Jimmy%20Buffet t> Jimmy Buffett-themed concept. Atlanta-based Songy Highroads and The Wampold Cos. of Baton Rouge, Louisiana, purchased the La Torretta property in Montgomery, according to a press release and a spokesperson. The Plasencia Group represented the seller, the spokeswoman said. La Torretta has appeared in the top 10 on U.S. News & World Report's "Best Pool Hotels in the USA" list and was No. 18 on the most recent "Best Texas Resorts" list. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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References 1. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 2. https://www.bizjournals.com/profile/company/org_ch_a4379e8cf2e51462d30e887bc85ee9b2 3. https://www.bizjournals.com/houston/search/results?q=Jimmy%20Buffett 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 5. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From cengles at cox.net Sat Apr 6 15:56:16 2019 From: cengles at cox.net (Charles Engles) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2019 14:56:16 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera Message-ID: <000e01d4ecb2$d4c98f20$7e5cad60$@cox.net> Dear Forum, Given the declining pool of seventeen inch tires that will fit my Pantera, the choices seem to be Toyo Proxes, Sumitomo HTZ, Nitto NT555 and Pirelli P Zero. Gone are the high value sticky Kumhos. I am inquiring about opinions on the Nitto NT555 G2 tires. Good, Adequate, Bad, Ugly? Curious, Chuck Engles -------------- next part -------------- Dear Forum, Given the declining pool of seventeen inch tires that will fit my Pantera, the choices seem to be Toyo Proxes, Sumitomo HTZ, Nitto NT555 and Pirelli P Zero. Gone are the high value sticky Kumhos. I am inquiring about opinions on the Nitto NT555 G2 tires. Good, Adequate, Bad, Ugly? Curious, Chuck Engles From seanmundy at hotmail.com Sat Apr 6 17:43:03 2019 From: seanmundy at hotmail.com (sean mundy) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2019 21:43:03 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera In-Reply-To: <000e01d4ecb2$d4c98f20$7e5cad60$@cox.net> References: <000e01d4ecb2$d4c98f20$7e5cad60$@cox.net> Message-ID: hi Chuck, I am using 315/17 NT05 on the rear. Stick like glue. Had Sumitomo HTZ before and the Nittos are WAY better. I don't drive my car in the rain ? From: Charles Engles Sent: ?Saturday?, ?April? ?6?, ?2019 ?12?:?56? ?PM To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Dear Forum, Given the declining pool of seventeen inch tires that will fit my Pantera, the choices seem to be Toyo Proxes, Sumitomo HTZ, Nitto NT555 and Pirelli P Zero. Gone are the high value sticky Kumhos. I am inquiring about opinions on the Nitto NT555 G2 tires. Good, Adequate, Bad, Ugly? Curious, Chuck Engles -------------- next part -------------- hi Chuck, I am using 315/17 NT05 on the rear. Stick like glue. Had Sumitomo HTZ before and the Nittos are WAY better. I don't drive my car in the rain From: [1]Charles Engles Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2019 12:56 PM To: [2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Dear Forum, Given the declining pool of seventeen inch tires that will fit my Pantera, the choices seem to be Toyo Proxes, Sumitomo HTZ, Nitto NT555 and Pirelli P Zero. Gone are the high value sticky Kumhos. I am inquiring about opinions on the Nitto NT555 G2 tires. Good, Adequate, Bad, Ugly? Curious, Chuck Engles References 1. mailto:cengles at cox.net 2. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com From scott at scottmeadphotography.com Sat Apr 6 18:11:21 2019 From: scott at scottmeadphotography.com (Scott Mead Photography) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2019 18:11:21 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera In-Reply-To: <000e01d4ecb2$d4c98f20$7e5cad60$@cox.net> References: <000e01d4ecb2$d4c98f20$7e5cad60$@cox.net> Message-ID: <275D4291-79CC-4471-9F80-242F9BBFFD99@scottmeadphotography.com> Hi Chuck, I?ll probably need to wear my Nomex for the flames I?ll receive for this post, but I suggest you avoid the Pirellis like the plague. I used to run the unobtanium Michelin Pilot Sports (they were wonderful shoes for the Pantera), and replaced them with the P-Zero rubber. To be succinct, they suck. If you live on an area where they groove the highways, you?ll find the car darts like mad, as the grooves catch the transition band between the ?wet? and ?dry? section of the tires. When I had them installed, the car was nearly undrivable. Larry Stock did a 4-wheel alignment, which helped enormously, but it?s still annoying to have to manhandle the car on the freeway. Cheers, Scott Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 6, 2019, at 3:56 PM, Charles Engles wrote: > > Dear Forum, > > > Given the declining pool of seventeen inch tires that > will fit my Pantera, the choices seem to be Toyo Proxes, Sumitomo HTZ, > Nitto NT555 and Pirelli P Zero. Gone are the high value sticky > Kumhos. > > > I am inquiring about opinions on the Nitto NT555 G2 > tires. Good, Adequate, Bad, Ugly? > > > > Curious, Chuck Engles > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From julian_kift at hotmail.com Sat Apr 6 18:19:41 2019 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2019 22:19:41 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera In-Reply-To: <275D4291-79CC-4471-9F80-242F9BBFFD99@scottmeadphotography.com> References: <000e01d4ecb2$d4c98f20$7e5cad60$@cox.net>, <275D4291-79CC-4471-9F80-242F9BBFFD99@scottmeadphotography.com> Message-ID: I was totally surprised what a simple tire tread pattern will do for handling on a Pantera. My GT5 was wearing Michelin Pilot Sports, but the older chevron style tread pattern and I fought the typical wide body tram lining for years. In an effort to correct it I did the a-arm modification for 7 degrees caster, installed new tie rods, rebuilt the steering rack, took every little bit of play out of the steering column etc. and yes those modifications made subtle improvements, but the biggest one came when I installed new tires. I stayed with Michelin PS2, but the newer tread pattern made that big a difference. Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2019 3:11 PM To: Charles Engles Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera Hi Chuck, I?ll probably need to wear my Nomex for the flames I?ll receive for this post, but I suggest you avoid the Pirellis like the plague. I used to run the unobtanium Michelin Pilot Sports (they were wonderful shoes for the Pantera), and replaced them with the P-Zero rubber. To be succinct, they suck. If you live on an area where they groove the highways, you?ll find the car darts like mad, as the grooves catch the transition band between the ?wet? and ?dry? section of the tires. When I had them installed, the car was nearly undrivable. Larry Stock did a 4-wheel alignment, which helped enormously, but it?s still annoying to have to manhandle the car on the freeway. Cheers, Scott Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 6, 2019, at 3:56 PM, Charles Engles wrote: > > Dear Forum, > > > Given the declining pool of seventeen inch tires that > will fit my Pantera, the choices seem to be Toyo Proxes, Sumitomo HTZ, > Nitto NT555 and Pirelli P Zero. Gone are the high value sticky > Kumhos. > > > I am inquiring about opinions on the Nitto NT555 G2 > tires. Good, Adequate, Bad, Ugly? > > > > Curious, Chuck Engles > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- I was totally surprised what a simple tire tread pattern will do for handling on a Pantera. My GT5 was wearing Michelin Pilot Sports, but the older chevron style tread pattern and I fought the typical wide body tram lining for years. In an effort to correct it I did the a-arm modification for 7 degrees caster, installed new tie rods, rebuilt the steering rack, took every little bit of play out of the steering column etc. and yes those modifications made subtle improvements, but the biggest one came when I installed new tires. I stayed with Michelin PS2, but the newer tread pattern made that big a difference. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Scott Mead Photography Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2019 3:11 PM To: Charles Engles Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera Hi Chuck, I'll probably need to wear my Nomex for the flames I'll receive for this post, but I suggest you avoid the Pirellis like the plague. I used to run the unobtanium Michelin Pilot Sports (they were wonderful shoes for the Pantera), and replaced them with the P-Zero rubber. To be succinct, they suck. If you live on an area where they groove the highways, you'll find the car darts like mad, as the grooves catch the transition band between the "wet" and "dry" section of the tires. When I had them installed, the car was nearly undrivable. Larry Stock did a 4-wheel alignment, which helped enormously, but it's still annoying to have to manhandle the car on the freeway. Cheers, Scott Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 6, 2019, at 3:56 PM, Charles Engles wrote: > > Dear Forum, > > > Given the declining pool of seventeen inch tires that > will fit my Pantera, the choices seem to be Toyo Proxes, Sumitomo HTZ, > Nitto NT555 and Pirelli P Zero. Gone are the high value sticky > Kumhos. > > > I am inquiring about opinions on the Nitto NT555 G2 > tires. Good, Adequate, Bad, Ugly? > > > > Curious, Chuck Engles > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [1]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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References 1. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From asajay at asajay.com Sat Apr 6 19:40:48 2019 From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2019 16:40:48 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera In-Reply-To: <000e01d4ecb2$d4c98f20$7e5cad60$@cox.net> References: <000e01d4ecb2$d4c98f20$7e5cad60$@cox.net> Message-ID: Hi Chuck, As long as the Nitto is -not- the "R" Drag Radial model, then I imagine it's a great tire.? The caution here is around the Nitto NT555R, which is the drag radial.? If you plan to do any open track or open road racing, the R model may not be allowed.? I know it's not allowed at Silver State. Nitto was one of the brands I was considering for my Pantera, but at the time I could only get the drag radial, in the size I wanted, so I passed.? Instead, I ran the Sumitomo HTZ III.? Happy camper, and they're not real expensive. Asa? Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired Spokane County ARES-RACES EC/RO ****************************** http://w7tsc.org http://www.teampanteraracing.com On 4/6/2019 12:56, Charles Engles wrote: > Dear Forum, > > > Given the declining pool of seventeen inch tires that > will fit my Pantera, the choices seem to be Toyo Proxes, Sumitomo HTZ, > Nitto NT555 and Pirelli P Zero. Gone are the high value sticky > Kumhos. > > > I am inquiring about opinions on the Nitto NT555 G2 > tires. Good, Adequate, Bad, Ugly? > > > > Curious, Chuck Engles > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Hi Chuck, As long as the Nitto is -not- the "R" Drag Radial model, then I imagine it's a great tire. The caution here is around the Nitto NT555R, which is the drag radial. If you plan to do any open track or open road racing, the R model may not be allowed. I know it's not allowed at Silver State. Nitto was one of the brands I was considering for my Pantera, but at the time I could only get the drag radial, in the size I wanted, so I passed. Instead, I ran the Sumitomo HTZ III. Happy camper, and they're not real expensive. Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired Spokane County ARES-RACES EC/RO ****************************** [1]http://w7tsc.org [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com On 4/6/2019 12:56, Charles Engles wrote: Dear Forum, Given the declining pool of seventeen inch tires that will fit my Pantera, the choices seem to be Toyo Proxes, Sumitomo HTZ, Nitto NT555 and Pirelli P Zero. Gone are the high value sticky Kumhos. I am inquiring about opinions on the Nitto NT555 G2 tires. Good, Adequate, Bad, Ugly? Curious, Chuck Engles _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [3]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the li nks above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message p osted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of lis t messages. References 1. http://w7tsc.org/ 2. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 3. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From billmoore6480 at gmail.com Sat Apr 6 20:45:20 2019 From: billmoore6480 at gmail.com (billmoore6480) Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2019 18:45:20 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera In-Reply-To: <000e01d4ecb2$d4c98f20$7e5cad60$@cox.net> Message-ID: <5ca94825.1c69fb81.89e3e.8404@mx.google.com> What's wrong with the Michelin 335-35-17 ????I am on my second set.Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Charles Engles Date: 2019-04-06 1:56 PM (GMT-07:00) To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera Dear Forum, ????????????????? Given the declining pool of seventeen inch tires that willfit my Pantera, the choices seem to be Toyo Proxes, Sumitomo HTZ, NittoNT555 and Pirelli P Zero.?? Gone are the high value sticky Kumhos.?? ????????????????? I am inquiring about opinions on the Nitto NT555 G2 tires.Good, Adequate, Bad, Ugly? ???????????????????????????????????? Curious,? Chuck Engles ?? Dear Forum,???????????????????? Given the declining pool of seventeen inch tires that?? will fit my Pantera, the choices seem to be Toyo Proxes, Sumitomo HTZ,?? Nitto NT555 and Pirelli P Zero.?? Gone are the high value sticky?? Kumhos.???????????????????? I am inquiring about opinions on the Nitto NT555 G2?? tires.?? Good, Adequate, Bad, Ugly???????????????????????????????????????? Curious,? Chuck Engles_______________________________________________Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCAPosted emails must not exceed 1.5 MegabytesDeTomaso mailing listDeTomaso at server.detomasolist.comhttp://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomasoTo manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above.Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- What's wrong with the Michelin 335-35-17 ???? I am on my second set. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message -------- From: Charles Engles Date: 2019-04-06 1:56 PM (GMT-07:00) To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera Dear Forum, Given the declining pool of seventeen inch tires that will fit my Pantera, the choices seem to be Toyo Proxes, Sumitomo HTZ, Nitto NT555 and Pirelli P Zero. Gone are the high value sticky Kumhos. I am inquiring about opinions on the Nitto NT555 G2 tires. Good, Adequate, Bad, Ugly? Curious, Chuck Engles Dear Forum, Given the declining pool of seventeen inch tires that will fit my Pantera, the choices seem to be Toyo Proxes, Sumitomo HTZ, Nitto NT555 and Pirelli P Zero. Gone are the high value sticky Kumhos. I am inquiring about opinions on the Nitto NT555 G2 tires. Good, Adequate, Bad, Ugly? 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From marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 6 23:27:11 2019 From: marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net (marshallgsmith) Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2019 20:27:11 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera In-Reply-To: <5ca94825.1c69fb81.89e3e.8404@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Does the same model of Michelins come in both sizes? 335 35-17 and 245 40-17Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: billmoore6480 Date: 4/6/19 5:45 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Charles Engles , detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera What's wrong with the Michelin 335-35-17 ????I am on my second set.Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Charles Engles Date: 2019-04-06? 1:56 PM? (GMT-07:00) To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera Dear Forum, ????????????????? Given the declining pool of seventeen inch tires that willfit my Pantera, the choices seem to be Toyo Proxes, Sumitomo HTZ, NittoNT555 and Pirelli P Zero.?? Gone are the high value sticky Kumhos.??? ????????????????? I am inquiring about opinions on the Nitto NT555 G2 tires.Good, Adequate, Bad, Ugly?? ???????????????????????????????????? Curious,? Chuck Engles ?? Dear Forum,???????????????????? Given the declining pool of seventeen inch tires that?? will fit my Pantera, the choices seem to be Toyo Proxes, Sumitomo HTZ,?? Nitto NT555 and Pirelli P Zero.?? Gone are the high value sticky?? Kumhos.???????????????????? I am inquiring about opinions on the Nitto NT555 G2?? tires.?? Good, Adequate, Bad, Ugly???????????????????????????????????????? Curious,? 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Does the same model of Michelins come in both sizes? 335 35-17 and 245 40-17 Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: billmoore6480 Date: 4/6/19 5:45 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Charles Engles , detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera What's wrong with the Michelin 335-35-17 ????I am on my second set.Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Charles Engles Date: 2019-04-06 1:56 PM (GMT-07:00) To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera Dear Forum, Given the declining pool of seventeen inch tires that willfit my Pantera, the choices seem to be Toyo Proxes, Sumitomo HTZ, NittoNT555 and Pirelli P Zero. Gone are the high value sticky Kumhos. I am inquiring about opinions on the Nitto NT555 G2 tires.Good, Adequate, Bad, Ugly? Curious, Chuck Engles Dear Forum, Given the declining pool of seventeen inch tires that will fit my Pantera, the choices seem to be Toyo Proxes, Sumitomo HTZ, Nitto NT555 and Pirelli P Zero. Gone are the high value sticky Kumhos. I am inquiring about opinions on the Nitto NT555 G2 tires. Good, Adequate, Bad, Ugly? Curious, Chuck Engles_______________________________________________Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCAPosted emails must not exceed 1.5 MegabytesDeTomaso mailing listDeTomaso at server.detomasolist.comhttp://server.detomasolist.com/mail man/listinfo/detomasoTo manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above.Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 7 00:10:42 2019 From: marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net (marshallgsmith) Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2019 21:10:42 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera In-Reply-To: <20190407032727.801F62348975@server.detomasolist.com> Message-ID: If I use Michelin PS2 for the rear, which Michelin should I use for the fronts? The Sport A/S 3+or the Sport 4S?Any suggestions?Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: marshallgsmith Date: 4/6/19 8:27 PM (GMT-08:00) To: billmoore6480 , Charles Engles , detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera Does the same model of Michelins come in both sizes? 335 35-17 and 245 40-17Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone-------- Original message --------From: billmoore6480 Date: 4/6/19? 5:45 PM? (GMT-08:00) To: Charles Engles , detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera What's wrong with the Michelin 335-35-17 ????I am on my second set.Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Charles Engles Date: 2019-04-06? 1:56 PM? (GMT-07:00) To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera Dear Forum, ????????????????? Given the declining pool of seventeen inch tires that willfit my Pantera, the choices seem to be Toyo Proxes, Sumitomo HTZ, NittoNT555 and Pirelli P Zero.?? Gone are the high value sticky Kumhos.??? ????????????????? I am inquiring about opinions on the Nitto NT555 G2 tires.Good, Adequate, Bad, Ugly?? ???????????????????????????????????? Curious,? Chuck Engles ?? Dear Forum,???????????????????? Given the declining pool of seventeen inch tires that?? will fit my Pantera, the choices seem to be Toyo Proxes, Sumitomo HTZ,?? Nitto NT555 and Pirelli P Zero.?? Gone are the high value sticky?? Kumhos.???????????????????? I am inquiring about opinions on the Nitto NT555 G2?? tires.?? Good, Adequate, Bad, Ugly???????????????????????????????????????? Curious,? Chuck Engles_______________________________________________Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCAPosted emails must not exceed 1.5 MegabytesDeTomaso mailing listDeTomaso at server.detomasolist.comhttp://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomasoTo manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above.Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- If I use Michelin PS2 for the rear, which Michelin should I use for the fronts? The Sport A/S 3+ or the Sport 4S? Any suggestions? Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: marshallgsmith Date: 4/6/19 8:27 PM (GMT-08:00) To: billmoore6480 , Charles Engles , detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera Does the same model of Michelins come in both sizes? 335 35-17 and 245 40-17Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: billmoore6480 Date: 4/6/19 5:45 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Charles Engles , detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera What's wrong with the Michelin 335-35-17 ????I am on my second set.Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Charles Engles Date: 2019-04-06 1:56 PM (GMT-07:00) To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera Dear Forum, Given the declining pool of seventeen inch tires that willfit my Pantera, the choices seem to be Toyo Proxes, Sumitomo HTZ, NittoNT555 and Pirelli P Zero. Gone are the high value sticky Kumhos. I am inquiring about opinions on the Nitto NT555 G2 tires.Good, Adequate, Bad, Ugly? Curious, Chuck Engles Dear Forum, Given the declining pool of seventeen inch tires that will fit my Pantera, the choices seem to be Toyo Proxes, Sumitomo HTZ, Nitto NT555 and Pirelli P Zero. Gone are the high value sticky Kumhos. I am inquiring about opinions on the Nitto NT555 G2 tires. Good, Adequate, Bad, Ugly? Curious, Chuck Engles_______________________________________________Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCAPosted emails must not exceed 1.5 MegabytesDeTomaso mailing listDeTomaso at server.detomasolist.comhttp://server.detomasolist.com/mail man/listinfo/detomasoTo manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above.Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From b.hower3400 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 7 06:12:00 2019 From: b.hower3400 at yahoo.com (B Hower) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2019 10:12:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera In-Reply-To: <20190407041059.48D932349100@server.detomasolist.com> References: <20190407032727.801F62348975@server.detomasolist.com> <20190407041059.48D932349100@server.detomasolist.com> Message-ID: <244530146.818874.1554631920269@mail.yahoo.com> FWIW, Silver State will not allow a difference in model front to rear. If wanting to run there on a mix, I would suggest getting tech approval prior to purchase. Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) On Saturday, April 6, 2019, 11:11:08 PM CDT, marshallgsmith wrote: ? If I use Michelin PS2 for the rear, which Michelin should I use for the ? fronts? The Sport A/S 3+ ? or the Sport 4S? ? Any suggestions? ? Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone ? -------- Original message -------- ? From: marshallgsmith ? Date: 4/6/19 8:27 PM (GMT-08:00) ? To: billmoore6480 , Charles Engles ? , detomaso at server.detomasolist.com ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera ? Does the same model of Michelins come in both sizes? 335 35-17 and 245 ? 40-17Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone ? -------- Original message --------From: billmoore6480 ? Date: 4/6/19? 5:45 PM? (GMT-08:00) To: ? Charles Engles , detomaso at server.detomasolist.com ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera What's wrong with the ? Michelin 335-35-17 ????I am on my second set.Sent from my Samsung ? Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Charles ? Engles Date: 2019-04-06? 1:56 PM? (GMT-07:00) To: ? detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and ? Pantera Dear Forum,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Given the declining pool of ? seventeen inch tires that willfit my Pantera, the choices seem to be ? Toyo Proxes, Sumitomo HTZ, NittoNT555 and Pirelli P Zero.? Gone are ? the high value sticky Kumhos.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? I am inquiring about ? opinions on the Nitto NT555 G2 tires.Good, Adequate, Bad, Ugly? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Curious,? Chuck Engles? ? Dear ? Forum,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Given the declining pool of seventeen inch ? tires that? will fit my Pantera, the choices seem to be Toyo Proxes, ? Sumitomo HTZ,? Nitto NT555 and Pirelli P Zero.? Gone are the high ? value sticky? Kumhos.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? I am inquiring about ? opinions on the Nitto NT555 G2? tires.? Good, Adequate, Bad, ? Ugly?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Curious,? Chuck ? Engles_______________________________________________Detomaso Email ? List is not managed by POCAPosted emails must not exceed 1.5 ? 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- FWIW, Silver State will not allow a difference in model front to rear. If wanting to run there on a mix, I would suggest getting tech approval prior to purchase. Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) On Saturday, April 6, 2019, 11:11:08 PM CDT, marshallgsmith wrote: If I use Michelin PS2 for the rear, which Michelin should I use for the fronts? The Sport A/S 3+ or the Sport 4S? Any suggestions? Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: marshallgsmith <[1]marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net> Date: 4/6/19 8:27 PM (GMT-08:00) To: billmoore6480 <[2]billmoore6480 at gmail.com>, Charles Engles <[3]cengles at cox.net>, [4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera Does the same model of Michelins come in both sizes? 335 35-17 and 245 40-17Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: billmoore6480 <[5]billmoore6480 at gmail.com> Date: 4/6/19 5:45 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Charles Engles <[6]cengles at cox.net>, [7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera What's wrong with the Michelin 335-35-17 ????I am on my second set.Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Charles Engles <[8]cengles at cox.net> Date: 2019-04-06 1:56 PM (GMT-07:00) To: [9]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera Dear Forum, Given the declining pool of seventeen inch tires that willfit my Pantera, the choices seem to be Toyo Proxes, Sumitomo HTZ, NittoNT555 and Pirelli P Zero. Gone are the high value sticky Kumhos. I am inquiring about opinions on the Nitto NT555 G2 tires.Good, Adequate, Bad, Ugly? Curious, Chuck Engles Dear Forum, Given the declining pool of seventeen inch tires that will fit my Pantera, the choices seem to be Toyo Proxes, Sumitomo HTZ, Nitto NT555 and Pirelli P Zero. Gone are the high value sticky Kumhos. I am inquiring about opinions on the Nitto NT555 G2 tires. Good, Adequate, Bad, Ugly? Curious, Chuck Engles_______________________________________________Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCAPosted emails must not exceed 1.5 MegabytesDeTomaso mailing [10]listDeTomaso at server.detomasolist.comhttp://server.detomasolist.com/ mail man/listinfo/detomasoTo manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above.Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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References 1. mailto:marshallgsmith at sbcglobal.net 2. mailto:billmoore6480 at gmail.com 3. mailto:cengles at cox.net 4. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 5. mailto:billmoore6480 at gmail.com 6. mailto:cengles at cox.net 7. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 8. mailto:cengles at cox.net 9. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 10. mailto:listDeTomaso at server.detomasolist.comhttp 11. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 12. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From ehpantera at yahoo.com Sun Apr 7 07:53:10 2019 From: ehpantera at yahoo.com (ehpantera) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2019 07:53:10 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera In-Reply-To: <244530146.818874.1554631920269@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I would go with Toyo. R888 tires if you want the sticky stuff.??Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: B Hower via DeTomaso Date: 4/7/19 6:12 AM (GMT-05:00) To: billmoore6480 , Charles Engles , detomaso at server.detomasolist.com, marshallgsmith Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera FWIW, Silver State will not allow a difference in model front to rear. If wanting to run there on a mix, I would suggest getting tech approval prior to purchase.Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! )??? On Saturday, April 6, 2019, 11:11:08 PM CDT, marshallgsmith wrote:? ? If I use Michelin PS2 for the rear, which Michelin should I use for the? fronts? The Sport A/S 3+? or the Sport 4S?? Any suggestions?? Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone? -------- Original message --------? From: marshallgsmith ? Date: 4/6/19 8:27 PM (GMT-08:00)? To: billmoore6480 , Charles Engles? , detomaso at server.detomasolist.com? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera? Does the same model of Michelins come in both sizes? 335 35-17 and 245? 40-17Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone? -------- Original message --------From: billmoore6480? Date: 4/6/19? 5:45 PM? (GMT-08:00) To:? Charles Engles , detomaso at server.detomasolist.com? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera What's wrong with the? Michelin 335-35-17 ????I am on my second set.Sent from my Samsung? Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Charles? Engles Date: 2019-04-06? 1:56 PM? (GMT-07:00) To:? detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and? Pantera Dear Forum,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Given the declining pool of? seventeen inch tires that willfit my Pantera, the choices seem to be? Toyo Proxes, Sumitomo HTZ, NittoNT555 and Pirelli P Zero.? Gone are? the high value sticky Kumhos.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? I am inquiring about? opinions on the Nitto NT555 G2 tires.Good, Adequate, Bad, Ugly?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Curious,? Chuck Engles? ? Dear? Forum,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Given the declining pool of seventeen inch? tires that? will fit my Pantera, the choices seem to be Toyo Proxes,? Sumitomo HTZ,? Nitto NT555 and Pirelli P Zero.? Gone are the high? value sticky? Kumhos.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? I am inquiring about? opinions on the Nitto NT555 G2? tires.? Good, Adequate, Bad,? Ugly?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Curious,? Chuck? Engles_______________________________________________Detomaso Email? List is not managed by POCAPosted emails must not exceed 1.5? 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.? -------------- next part -------------- I would go with Toyo. R888 tires if you want the sticky stuff. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: B Hower via DeTomaso Date: 4/7/19 6:12 AM (GMT-05:00) To: billmoore6480 , Charles Engles , detomaso at server.detomasolist.com, marshallgsmith Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera FWIW, Silver State will not allow a difference in model front to rear. If wanting to run there on a mix, I would suggest getting tech approval prior to purchase. Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) On Saturday, April 6, 2019, 11:11:08 PM CDT, marshallgsmith wrote: If I use Michelin PS2 for the rear, which Michelin should I use for the fronts? The Sport A/S 3+ or the Sport 4S? Any suggestions? Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: marshallgsmith Date: 4/6/19 8:27 PM (GMT-08:00) To: billmoore6480 , Charles Engles , detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera Does the same model of Michelins come in both sizes? 335 35-17 and 245 40-17Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: billmoore6480 Date: 4/6/19 5:45 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Charles Engles , detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera What's wrong with the Michelin 335-35-17 ????I am on my second set.Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Charles Engles Date: 2019-04-06 1:56 PM (GMT-07:00) To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera Dear Forum, Given the declining pool of seventeen inch tires that willfit my Pantera, the choices seem to be Toyo Proxes, Sumitomo HTZ, NittoNT555 and Pirelli P Zero. Gone are the high value sticky Kumhos. I am inquiring about opinions on the Nitto NT555 G2 tires.Good, Adequate, Bad, Ugly? Curious, Chuck Engles Dear Forum, Given the declining pool of seventeen inch tires that will fit my Pantera, the choices seem to be Toyo Proxes, Sumitomo HTZ, Nitto NT555 and Pirelli P Zero. Gone are the high value sticky Kumhos. I am inquiring about opinions on the Nitto NT555 G2 tires. Good, Adequate, Bad, Ugly? Curious, Chuck Engles_______________________________________________Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCAPosted emails must not exceed 1.5 MegabytesDeTomaso mailing listDeTomaso at server.detomasolist.comhttp://server.detomasolist.com/mail man/listinfo/detomasoTo manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above.Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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From cengles at cox.net Sun Apr 7 08:38:22 2019 From: cengles at cox.net (Charles Engles) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2019 07:38:22 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera In-Reply-To: <20190407115315.GMZN7996.eastrmfepi102.cox.net@cxr-ibgw-6002a.stratus.cloudmark.com> References: <244530146.818874.1554631920269@mail.yahoo.com> <20190407115315.GMZN7996.eastrmfepi102.cox.net@cxr-ibgw-6002a.stratus.cloudmark.com> Message-ID: <000a01d4ed3e$cb2a2880$617e7980$@cox.net> Dear Forum, Thanks for your comments and opinions. I am now convinced that the Nittos are as close as I can get to the ol? Kumhos. I very much appreciate the help. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles From: ehpantera [mailto:ehpantera at yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 6:53 AM To: B Hower; billmoore6480; Charles Engles; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; marshallgsmith Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera I would go with Toyo. R888 tires if you want the sticky stuff. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: B Hower via DeTomaso Date: 4/7/19 6:12 AM (GMT-05:00) To: billmoore6480 , Charles Engles , detomaso at server.detomasolist.com, marshallgsmith Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera FWIW, Silver State will not allow a difference in model front to rear. If wanting to run there on a mix, I would suggest getting tech approval prior to purchase. Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) On Saturday, April 6, 2019, 11:11:08 PM CDT, marshallgsmith wrote: If I use Michelin PS2 for the rear, which Michelin should I use for the fronts? The Sport A/S 3+ or the Sport 4S? Any suggestions? Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: marshallgsmith Date: 4/6/19 8:27 PM (GMT-08:00) To: billmoore6480 , Charles Engles , detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera Does the same model of Michelins come in both sizes? 335 35-17 and 245 40-17Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: billmoore6480 Date: 4/6/19 5:45 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Charles Engles , detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera What's wrong with the Michelin 335-35-17 ????I am on my second set.Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Charles Engles Date: 2019-04-06 1:56 PM (GMT-07:00) To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera Dear Forum, Given the declining pool of seventeen inch tires that willfit my Pantera, the choices seem to be Toyo Proxes, Sumitomo HTZ, NittoNT555 and Pirelli P Zero. Gone are the high value sticky Kumhos. I am inquiring about opinions on the Nitto NT555 G2 tires.Good, Adequate, Bad, Ugly? Curious, Chuck Engles Dear Forum, Given the declining pool of seventeen inch tires that will fit my Pantera, the choices seem to be Toyo Proxes, Sumitomo HTZ, Nitto NT555 and Pirelli P Zero. Gone are the high value sticky Kumhos. I am inquiring about opinions on the Nitto NT555 G2 tires. Good, Adequate, Bad, Ugly? Curious, Chuck Engles_______________________________________________Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCAPosted emails must not exceed 1.5 MegabytesDeTomaso mailing listDeTomaso at server.detomasolist.comhttp://server.detomasolist.com/mail man/listinfo/detomasoTo manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above.Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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Warmest regards, Chuck Engles From: ehpantera [mailto:ehpantera at yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2019 6:53 AM To: B Hower; billmoore6480; Charles Engles; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com; marshallgsmith Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera I would go with Toyo. R888 tires if you want the sticky stuff. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: B Hower via DeTomaso Date: 4/7/19 6:12 AM (GMT-05:00) To: billmoore6480 , Charles Engles , detomaso at server.detomasolist.com, marshallgsmith Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera FWIW, Silver State will not allow a difference in model front to rear. If wanting to run there on a mix, I would suggest getting tech approval prior to purchase. Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) On Saturday, April 6, 2019, 11:11:08 PM CDT, marshallgsmith wrote: If I use Michelin PS2 for the rear, which Michelin should I use for the fronts? The Sport A/S 3+ or the Sport 4S? Any suggestions? Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: marshallgsmith Date: 4/6/19 8:27 PM (GMT-08:00) To: billmoore6480 , Charles Engles , detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera Does the same model of Michelins come in both sizes? 335 35-17 and 245 40-17Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: billmoore6480 Date: 4/6/19 5:45 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Charles Engles , detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera What's wrong with the Michelin 335-35-17 ????I am on my second set.Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Charles Engles Date: 2019-04-06 1:56 PM (GMT-07:00) To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera Dear Forum, Given the declining pool of seventeen inch tires that willfit my Pantera, the choices seem to be Toyo Proxes, Sumitomo HTZ, NittoNT555 and Pirelli P Zero. Gone are the high value sticky Kumhos. I am inquiring about opinions on the Nitto NT555 G2 tires.Good, Adequate, Bad, Ugly? Curious, Chuck Engles Dear Forum, Given the declining pool of seventeen inch tires that will fit my Pantera, the choices seem to be Toyo Proxes, Sumitomo HTZ, Nitto NT555 and Pirelli P Zero. Gone are the high value sticky Kumhos. I am inquiring about opinions on the Nitto NT555 G2 tires. Good, Adequate, Bad, Ugly? Curious, Chuck Engles_______________________________________________Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCAPosted emails must not exceed 1.5 MegabytesDeTomaso mailing listDeTomaso at server.detomasolist.comhttp://server.detomasolist.com/mail man/listinfo/detomasoTo manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above.Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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From MikeLDrew at aol.com Mon Apr 8 02:24:23 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2019 23:24:23 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Monday, April 8, 2019 References: <20190408060148.18935.59809@backend.hammerpricelive.com> Message-ID: <73EC55B0-BD54-4A0D-A10B-F98B82428C43@aol.com> All, Another Pantera sells for a bit less than estimated. This car looks well-bought. The hinky wheels likely hurt its value. This is chassis #1945, but the catalog entry mistakenly refers to it as #3022: https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/25450/lot/79/ Very well-bought at under $60k, IMHO. MIKE Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: > From: info at hammerpricelive.com > Date: April 7, 2019 at 23:01:48 PDT > To: MikeLDrew at aol.com > Subject: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Monday, April 8, 2019 > > > > Portfolio Report Monday, April 8, 2019 > Pantera > 1. > 1972 DeTomaso SOLD $58,671 USD > Pantera EST. PRICE $65.19K-$91.27K USD > EXTERIOR Red > BONHAMS > INTERIOR Black/Beige > Lot 79 Goodwood: Members' Meeting > ODOMETER 35003 mi > CHASSIS N? THPNLS01945 > April 7, 2019 10:32AM (EST) > De Tomaso > 1. > 1972 DeTomaso SOLD $58,671 USD > Pantera EST. PRICE $65.19K-$91.27K USD > EXTERIOR Red > BONHAMS > INTERIOR Black/Beige > Lot 79 Goodwood: Members' Meeting > ODOMETER 35003 mi > CHASSIS N? THPNLS01945 > April 7, 2019 10:32AM (EST) > Too much mail? Adjust your Hammer Price notification preferences in the app using Settings. > ? 2018 Live Auction Results, LLC -------------- next part -------------- All, Another Pantera sells for a bit less than estimated. This car looks well-bought. The hinky wheels likely hurt its value. This is chassis #1945, but the catalog entry mistakenly refers to it as #3022: [1]https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/25450/lot/79/ Very well-bought at under $60k, IMHO. MIKE Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: From: [2]info at hammerpricelive.com Date: April 7, 2019 at 23:01:48 PDT To: [3]MikeLDrew at aol.com Subject: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Monday, April 8, 2019 Hammer Price : Auction Results In Real Time Portfolio Report Monday, April 8, 2019 Pantera 1. 1972 DeTomaso Sold $58,671 USD Pantera EST. PRICE $65.19K-$91.27K USD EXTERIOR Red Bonhams INTERIOR Black/Beige Lot 79 Goodwood: Members' Meeting ODOMETER 35003 mi CHASSIS N-o THPNLS01945 April 7, 2019 10:32AM (EST) De Tomaso 1. 1972 DeTomaso Sold $58,671 USD Pantera EST. PRICE $65.19K-$91.27K USD EXTERIOR Red Bonhams INTERIOR Black/Beige Lot 79 Goodwood: Members' Meeting ODOMETER 35003 mi CHASSIS N-o THPNLS01945 April 7, 2019 10:32AM (EST) Too much mail? Adjust your Hammer Price notification preferences in the app using Settings. (c) 2018 Live Auction Results, LLC References 1. https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/25450/lot/79/ 2. mailto:info at hammerpricelive.com 3. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com From julian_kift at hotmail.com Mon Apr 8 09:46:41 2019 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2019 13:46:41 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Monday, April 8, 2019 In-Reply-To: <73EC55B0-BD54-4A0D-A10B-F98B82428C43@aol.com> References: <20190408060148.18935.59809@backend.hammerpricelive.com>, <73EC55B0-BD54-4A0D-A10B-F98B82428C43@aol.com> Message-ID: At GBP52K (US68K) this looks very well bought for a car landed in the UK, but although shipping was absorbed by seller local import taxes were not (as stated in the auction) so maybe that held the price back a bit? The auction script states it was purchased in 2010 as an all original 14000 mile yellow Pantera and duly repainted red, in hindsight I wonder if that decision hurt value overall? Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 11:24 PM To: De Tomaso Forum Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Monday, April 8, 2019 All, Another Pantera sells for a bit less than estimated. This car looks well-bought. The hinky wheels likely hurt its value. This is chassis #1945, but the catalog entry mistakenly refers to it as #3022: https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/25450/lot/79/ Very well-bought at under $60k, IMHO. MIKE Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: > From: info at hammerpricelive.com > Date: April 7, 2019 at 23:01:48 PDT > To: MikeLDrew at aol.com > Subject: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Monday, April 8, 2019 > > > > Portfolio Report Monday, April 8, 2019 > Pantera > 1. > 1972 DeTomaso SOLD $58,671 USD > Pantera EST. PRICE $65.19K-$91.27K USD > EXTERIOR Red > BONHAMS > INTERIOR Black/Beige > Lot 79 Goodwood: Members' Meeting > ODOMETER 35003 mi > CHASSIS N? THPNLS01945 > April 7, 2019 10:32AM (EST) > De Tomaso > 1. > 1972 DeTomaso SOLD $58,671 USD > Pantera EST. PRICE $65.19K-$91.27K USD > EXTERIOR Red > BONHAMS > INTERIOR Black/Beige > Lot 79 Goodwood: Members' Meeting > ODOMETER 35003 mi > CHASSIS N? THPNLS01945 > April 7, 2019 10:32AM (EST) > Too much mail? Adjust your Hammer Price notification preferences in the app using Settings. > ? 2018 Live Auction Results, LLC -------------- next part -------------- At GBP52K (US68K) this looks very well bought for a car landed in the UK, but although shipping was absorbed by seller local import taxes were not (as stated in the auction) so maybe that held the price back a bit? The auction script states it was purchased in 2010 as an all original 14000 mile yellow Pantera and duly repainted red, in hindsight I wonder if that decision hurt value overall? Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 11:24 PM To: De Tomaso Forum Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Monday, April 8, 2019 All, Another Pantera sells for a bit less than estimated. This car looks well-bought. The hinky wheels likely hurt its value. This is chassis #1945, but the catalog entry mistakenly refers to it as #3022: [1]https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/25450/lot/79/ Very well-bought at under $60k, IMHO. MIKE Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: > From: info at hammerpricelive.com > Date: April 7, 2019 at 23:01:48 PDT > To: MikeLDrew at aol.com > Subject: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Monday, April 8, 2019 > > > > Portfolio Report Monday, April 8, 2019 > Pantera > 1. > 1972 DeTomaso SOLD $58,671 USD > Pantera EST. PRICE $65.19K-$91.27K USD > EXTERIOR Red > BONHAMS > INTERIOR Black/Beige > Lot 79 Goodwood: Members' Meeting > ODOMETER 35003 mi > CHASSIS N-o THPNLS01945 > April 7, 2019 10:32AM (EST) > De Tomaso > 1. > 1972 DeTomaso SOLD $58,671 USD > Pantera EST. PRICE $65.19K-$91.27K USD > EXTERIOR Red > BONHAMS > INTERIOR Black/Beige > Lot 79 Goodwood: Members' Meeting > ODOMETER 35003 mi > CHASSIS N-o THPNLS01945 > April 7, 2019 10:32AM (EST) > Too much mail? Adjust your Hammer Price notification preferences in the app using Settings. > (c) 2018 Live Auction Results, LLC References 1. https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/25450/lot/79/ From fresnofinches at aol.com Mon Apr 8 13:25:17 2019 From: fresnofinches at aol.com (Larry Finch) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2019 10:25:17 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Wanted: HVAC evaporator case Message-ID: <768CFF4B-656D-44BA-A9ED-6D42454F35BC@aol.com> All, I am looking to purchase an empty evaporator case for a mock up project I have in mind. I do not need the coils or any blower pieces but the internal defrost and floor vent flappers would be a large bonus. There are different styles of this case but the one I would prefer looks like this. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image1.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 111428 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Anyone? Thanks, Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. From scottcouchman at yahoo.com Mon Apr 8 15:58:15 2019 From: scottcouchman at yahoo.com (Scott Couchman) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2019 12:58:15 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] 2019 Spanish Grand Prix Message-ID: <926712A0-4D1E-4FC5-8C9F-EF956EA57642@yahoo.com> I?m planning to attend the Spanish GP this year. I will be in Barcelona all week, starting Tuesday May 7 through Monday, May 13, and plan to be at the track Thursday night (assuming they have a Pit Walk that night), as well as Saturday and Sunday. Looking for other DeTomaso friends planning to enjoy the race live also. Scott From dnunn at telus.net Mon Apr 8 16:05:49 2019 From: dnunn at telus.net (David Nunn) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2019 13:05:49 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera Message-ID: <000401d4ee46$77504e20$65f0ea60$@telus.net> Chuck, You might want to consider the Nitto NT01 as well. It's really just a Toyo R888 with a more "streetable" tread pattern. This isn't surprising since Toyo owns Nitto. They do not make a 245/40-17 in the NT01 but they do make a 235/40-17 which is .3" shorter and .39" narrower. They also make a 315/35-17 in the NT01. Singer, the Porsche tuner, offers the NT01 as an option, for people who rarely drive their cars in the rain. Dave From cengles at cox.net Mon Apr 8 18:00:48 2019 From: cengles at cox.net (Charles Engles) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2019 17:00:48 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera In-Reply-To: <000401d4ee46$77504e20$65f0ea60$@telus.net> References: <000401d4ee46$77504e20$65f0ea60$@telus.net> Message-ID: <001201d4ee56$89d12410$9d736c30$@cox.net> Dear David, Thanks for the tip. I am very impressed with Nittos seventeen inch tire size options. They cover the niche that Kumho used to occupy. Good choice in sizes and tread and rubber compound. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: David Nunn [mailto:dnunn at telus.net] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 3:06 PM To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Cc: cengles at cox.net Subject: Re: Re: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera Chuck, You might want to consider the Nitto NT01 as well. It's really just a Toyo R888 with a more "streetable" tread pattern. This isn't surprising since Toyo owns Nitto. They do not make a 245/40-17 in the NT01 but they do make a 235/40-17 which is .3" shorter and .39" narrower. They also make a 315/35-17 in the NT01. Singer, the Porsche tuner, offers the NT01 as an option, for people who rarely drive their cars in the rain. Dave From MikeLDrew at aol.com Mon Apr 8 18:12:15 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2019 15:12:15 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera In-Reply-To: <001201d4ee56$89d12410$9d736c30$@cox.net> References: <000401d4ee46$77504e20$65f0ea60$@telus.net> <001201d4ee56$89d12410$9d736c30$@cox.net> Message-ID: <52D7C493-4EBA-4600-8BDA-113D67463106@aol.com> All, FWIW don't forget that foreign markets can fill gaps as well. I needed speed rated 225/60-15 tires for my GT350 and they are impossible to find here. I found something like 16 different options in Holland. I bought a set of five W-rated Kumhos for about 80 Euros apiece. Sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do. Mike Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 8, 2019, at 15:00, Charles Engles wrote: > > Dear David, > > Thanks for the tip. I am very impressed with Nittos > seventeen inch tire size options. They cover the niche that Kumho used to > occupy. Good choice in sizes and tread and rubber compound. > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Nunn [mailto:dnunn at telus.net] > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 3:06 PM > To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com > Cc: cengles at cox.net > Subject: Re: Re: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera > > Chuck, > > You might want to consider the Nitto NT01 as well. It's really just a Toyo > R888 with a more "streetable" tread pattern. This isn't surprising since > Toyo owns Nitto. They do not make a 245/40-17 in the NT01 but they do make a > 235/40-17 which is .3" shorter and .39" narrower. They also make a 315/35-17 > in the NT01. > > Singer, the Porsche tuner, offers the NT01 as an option, for people who > rarely drive their cars in the rain. > > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 9 11:54:48 2019 From: timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com (timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2019 15:54:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera In-Reply-To: <52D7C493-4EBA-4600-8BDA-113D67463106@aol.com> References: <000401d4ee46$77504e20$65f0ea60$@telus.net> <001201d4ee56$89d12410$9d736c30$@cox.net> <52D7C493-4EBA-4600-8BDA-113D67463106@aol.com> Message-ID: <1285342363.575303.1554825288729@mail.yahoo.com> I have 335/35-17's on the rear and 235/40-17's on the front. Sadly, they are Michelin Pilot Sports which are not available. I will look to change them this year. Is Nito the way to go?? Scott Black? On Monday, April 8, 2019, 5:12:39 PM CDT, Mike Drew via DeTomaso wrote: All, FWIW don't forget that foreign markets can fill gaps as well. I needed speed rated 225/60-15 tires for my GT350 and they are impossible to find here. I found something like 16 different options in Holland. I bought a set of five W-rated Kumhos for about 80 Euros apiece. Sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do. Mike Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 8, 2019, at 15:00, Charles Engles wrote: > > Dear David, > >? ? ? ? ? ? ? Thanks for the tip.? I am very impressed with Nittos > seventeen inch tire size options.? They cover the niche that Kumho used to > occupy.? Good choice in sizes and tread and rubber compound.? > >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Warmest regards,? Chuck Engles > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Nunn [mailto:dnunn at telus.net] > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 3:06 PM > To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com > Cc: cengles at cox.net > Subject: Re: Re: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera > > Chuck, > > You might want to consider the Nitto NT01 as well. It's really just a Toyo > R888 with a more "streetable" tread pattern. This isn't surprising since > Toyo owns Nitto. They do not make a 245/40-17 in the NT01 but they do make a > 235/40-17 which is .3" shorter and .39" narrower. They also make a 315/35-17 > in the NT01.? > > Singer, the Porsche tuner, offers the NT01 as an option, for people who > rarely drive their cars in the rain. > > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- I have 335/35-17's on the rear and 235/40-17's on the front. Sadly, they are Michelin Pilot Sports which are not available. I will look to change them this year. Is Nito the way to go? Scott Black On Monday, April 8, 2019, 5:12:39 PM CDT, Mike Drew via DeTomaso wrote: All, FWIW don't forget that foreign markets can fill gaps as well. I needed speed rated 225/60-15 tires for my GT350 and they are impossible to find here. I found something like 16 different options in Holland. I bought a set of five W-rated Kumhos for about 80 Euros apiece. Sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do. Mike Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 8, 2019, at 15:00, Charles Engles <[1]cengles at cox.net> wrote: > > Dear David, > > Thanks for the tip. I am very impressed with Nittos > seventeen inch tire size options. They cover the niche that Kumho used to > occupy. Good choice in sizes and tread and rubber compound. > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Nunn [mailto:[2]dnunn at telus.net] > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 3:06 PM > To: [3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com > Cc: [4]cengles at cox.net > Subject: Re: Re: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera > > Chuck, > > You might want to consider the Nitto NT01 as well. It's really just a Toyo > R888 with a more "streetable" tread pattern. This isn't surprising since > Toyo owns Nitto. They do not make a 245/40-17 in the NT01 but they do make a > 235/40-17 which is .3" shorter and .39" narrower. They also make a 315/35-17 > in the NT01. > > Singer, the Porsche tuner, offers the NT01 as an option, for people who > rarely drive their cars in the rain. > > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [5]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [7]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [8]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:cengles at cox.net 2. mailto:dnunn at telus.net 3. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 4. mailto:cengles at cox.net 5. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 7. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 8. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From julian_kift at hotmail.com Tue Apr 9 12:29:58 2019 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2019 16:29:58 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera In-Reply-To: <1285342363.575303.1554825288729@mail.yahoo.com> References: <000401d4ee46$77504e20$65f0ea60$@telus.net> <001201d4ee56$89d12410$9d736c30$@cox.net> <52D7C493-4EBA-4600-8BDA-113D67463106@aol.com>, <1285342363.575303.1554825288729@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Consider stepping up to a 245/40-17 in front and you can have the Michelin's front and rear? ________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of timepiecepr2--- via DeTomaso Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 8:54 AM To: Charles Engles; Mike Drew Cc: David Nunn; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera I have 335/35-17's on the rear and 235/40-17's on the front. Sadly, they are Michelin Pilot Sports which are not available. I will look to change them this year. Is Nito the way to go? Scott Black On Monday, April 8, 2019, 5:12:39 PM CDT, Mike Drew via DeTomaso wrote: All, FWIW don't forget that foreign markets can fill gaps as well. I needed speed rated 225/60-15 tires for my GT350 and they are impossible to find here. I found something like 16 different options in Holland. I bought a set of five W-rated Kumhos for about 80 Euros apiece. Sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do. Mike Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 8, 2019, at 15:00, Charles Engles wrote: > > Dear David, > > Thanks for the tip. I am very impressed with Nittos > seventeen inch tire size options. They cover the niche that Kumho used to > occupy. Good choice in sizes and tread and rubber compound. > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Nunn [mailto:dnunn at telus.net] > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 3:06 PM > To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com > Cc: cengles at cox.net > Subject: Re: Re: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera > > Chuck, > > You might want to consider the Nitto NT01 as well. It's really just a Toyo > R888 with a more "streetable" tread pattern. This isn't surprising since > Toyo owns Nitto. They do not make a 245/40-17 in the NT01 but they do make a > 235/40-17 which is .3" shorter and .39" narrower. They also make a 315/35-17 > in the NT01. > > Singer, the Porsche tuner, offers the NT01 as an option, for people who > rarely drive their cars in the rain. > > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Consider stepping up to a 245/40-17 in front and you can have the Michelin's front and rear? __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of timepiecepr2--- via DeTomaso Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 8:54 AM To: Charles Engles; Mike Drew Cc: David Nunn; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera I have 335/35-17's on the rear and 235/40-17's on the front. Sadly, they are Michelin Pilot Sports which are not available. I will look to change them this year. Is Nito the way to go? Scott Black On Monday, April 8, 2019, 5:12:39 PM CDT, Mike Drew via DeTomaso wrote: All, FWIW don't forget that foreign markets can fill gaps as well. I needed speed rated 225/60-15 tires for my GT350 and they are impossible to find here. I found something like 16 different options in Holland. I bought a set of five W-rated Kumhos for about 80 Euros apiece. Sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do. Mike Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 8, 2019, at 15:00, Charles Engles wrote: > > Dear David, > > Thanks for the tip. I am very impressed with Nittos > seventeen inch tire size options. They cover the niche that Kumho used to > occupy. Good choice in sizes and tread and rubber compound. > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Nunn [[1]mailto:dnunn at telus.net] > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 3:06 PM > To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com > Cc: cengles at cox.net > Subject: Re: Re: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera > > Chuck, > > You might want to consider the Nitto NT01 as well. It's really just a Toyo > R888 with a more "streetable" tread pattern. This isn't surprising since > Toyo owns Nitto. They do not make a 245/40-17 in the NT01 but they do make a > 235/40-17 which is .3" shorter and .39" narrower. They also make a 315/35-17 > in the NT01. > > Singer, the Porsche tuner, offers the NT01 as an option, for people who > rarely drive their cars in the rain. > > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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References 1. mailto:dnunn at telus.net 2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From notstock at yahoo.com Tue Apr 9 15:23:50 2019 From: notstock at yahoo.com (j g) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2019 19:23:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] tires In-Reply-To: References: <000401d4ee46$77504e20$65f0ea60$@telus.net> <001201d4ee56$89d12410$9d736c30$@cox.net> <52D7C493-4EBA-4600-8BDA-113D67463106@aol.com> <1285342363.575303.1554825288729@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1079349266.700281.1554837830739@mail.yahoo.com> I have been running the sumitomo's? HTR Z in both 17 and 18 rim diameters on my every day cars? ( porsche? boxsters and 911's) for about 5 years .? They have been pretty fantastic for the price performance , Much better than the older yoko's or the Kumho's for the price , Tire rack stocks these at more than one ware house , it has never taken more than 2 days to get fresh sumitomo's . decent on wet as well as dry . ?for what it is worth ,?jg From: Julian Kift To: Charles Engles ; Mike Drew ; "timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com" Cc: David Nunn ; "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera ? Consider stepping up to a 245/40-17 in front and you can have the ? Michelin's front and rear? ? ? __________________________________________________________________ ? From: DeTomaso on behalf of ? timepiecepr2--- via DeTomaso ? Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 8:54 AM ? To: Charles Engles; Mike Drew ? Cc: David Nunn; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera ? I have 335/35-17's on the rear and 235/40-17's on the front. Sadly, ? they are Michelin Pilot Sports which are not available. I will look to ? change them this year. Is Nito the way to go? ? Scott Black ? ? ? On Monday, April 8, 2019, 5:12:39 PM CDT, Mike Drew via DeTomaso ? wrote: ? ? All, ? FWIW don't forget that foreign markets can fill gaps as well. I needed ? speed rated 225/60-15 tires for my GT350 and they are impossible to ? find here. I found something like 16 different options in Holland. I ? bought a set of five W-rated Kumhos for about 80 Euros apiece. ? Sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do. ? Mike ? Sent from my iPhone ? > On Apr 8, 2019, at 15:00, Charles Engles wrote: ? > ? > Dear David, ? > ? >? ? ? ? ? ? ? Thanks for the tip.? I am very impressed with Nittos ? > seventeen inch tire size options.? They cover the niche that Kumho ? used to ? > occupy.? Good choice in sizes and tread and rubber compound. ? > ? >? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Warmest regards,? Chuck Engles ? > ? > ? > -----Original Message----- ? > From: David Nunn [[1]mailto:dnunn at telus.net] ? > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 3:06 PM ? > To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com ? > Cc: cengles at cox.net ? > Subject: Re: Re: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera ? > ? > Chuck, ? > ? > You might want to consider the Nitto NT01 as well. It's really just a ? Toyo ? > R888 with a more "streetable" tread pattern. This isn't surprising ? since ? > Toyo owns Nitto. They do not make a 245/40-17 in the NT01 but they do ? make a ? > 235/40-17 which is .3" shorter and .39" narrower. They also make a ? 315/35-17 ? > in the NT01. ? > ? > Singer, the Porsche tuner, offers the NT01 as an option, for people ? who ? > rarely drive their cars in the rain. ? > ? > Dave ? > ? > _______________________________________________ ? > ? > ? > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA ? > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes ? > DeTomaso mailing list ? > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com ? > [2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso ? > ? > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) ? use the links above. ? > ? > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward ? any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the ? list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive ? or approve the archiving of list messages. ? _______________________________________________ ? Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA ? Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes ? 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Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- I have been running the sumitomo's HTR Z in both 17 and 18 rim diameters on my every day cars ( porsche boxsters and 911's) for about 5 years . They have been pretty fantastic for the price performance , Much better than the older yoko's or the Kumho's for the price , Tire rack stocks these at more than one ware house , it has never taken more than 2 days to get fresh sumitomo's . decent on wet as well as dry . for what it is worth , jg __________________________________________________________________ From: Julian Kift To: Charles Engles ; Mike Drew ; "timepiecepr2 at yahoo.com" Cc: David Nunn ; "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera Consider stepping up to a 245/40-17 in front and you can have the Michelin's front and rear? __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of timepiecepr2--- via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 8:54 AM To: Charles Engles; Mike Drew Cc: David Nunn; [3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera I have 335/35-17's on the rear and 235/40-17's on the front. Sadly, they are Michelin Pilot Sports which are not available. I will look to change them this year. Is Nito the way to go? Scott Black On Monday, April 8, 2019, 5:12:39 PM CDT, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: All, FWIW don't forget that foreign markets can fill gaps as well. I needed speed rated 225/60-15 tires for my GT350 and they are impossible to find here. I found something like 16 different options in Holland. I bought a set of five W-rated Kumhos for about 80 Euros apiece. Sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do. Mike Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 8, 2019, at 15:00, Charles Engles <[5]cengles at cox.net> wrote: > > Dear David, > > Thanks for the tip. I am very impressed with Nittos > seventeen inch tire size options. They cover the niche that Kumho used to > occupy. Good choice in sizes and tread and rubber compound. > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Nunn [[1]mailto:[6]dnunn at telus.net] > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 3:06 PM > To: [7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com > Cc: [8]cengles at cox.net > Subject: Re: Re: [DeTomaso] Nitto tires and Pantera > > Chuck, > > You might want to consider the Nitto NT01 as well. It's really just a Toyo > R888 with a more "streetable" tread pattern. This isn't surprising since > Toyo owns Nitto. They do not make a 245/40-17 in the NT01 but they do make a > 235/40-17 which is .3" shorter and .39" narrower. They also make a 315/35-17 > in the NT01. > > Singer, the Porsche tuner, offers the NT01 as an option, for people who > rarely drive their cars in the rain. > > Dave > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [9]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [2][10]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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References 1. file://localhost/tmp/tmpwOPrwR.html 2. file://localhost/tmp/tmpwOPrwR.html 3. file://localhost/tmp/tmpwOPrwR.html 4. file://localhost/tmp/tmpwOPrwR.html 5. file://localhost/tmp/tmpwOPrwR.html 6. file://localhost/tmp/tmpwOPrwR.html 7. file://localhost/tmp/tmpwOPrwR.html 8. file://localhost/tmp/tmpwOPrwR.html 9. file://localhost/tmp/tmpwOPrwR.html 10. file://localhost/tmp/tmpwOPrwR.html 11. file://localhost/tmp/tmpwOPrwR.html 12. file://localhost/tmp/tmpwOPrwR.html 13. file://localhost/tmp/tmpwOPrwR.html 14. file://localhost/tmp/tmpwOPrwR.html 15. file://localhost/tmp/tmpwOPrwR.html 16. file://localhost/tmp/tmpwOPrwR.html 17. file://localhost/tmp/tmpwOPrwR.html From richbhoppe at gmail.com Thu Apr 11 11:57:04 2019 From: richbhoppe at gmail.com (Rich Hoppe) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 08:57:04 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] sniper EFI Message-ID: I am installing a Sniper EFI with Holley compatible efi distributor. I asked Holley if I still need to use the tach adapter. They said they use a square wave on their output signal. Does anyone know if I will need to use the tach adapter with my msd 6al box. thanks Rich -------------- next part -------------- I am installing a Sniper EFI with Holley compatible efi distributor. I asked Holley if I still need to use the tach adapter. They said they use a square wave on their output signal. Does anyone know if I will need to use the tach adapter with my msd 6al box. thanks Rich From MikeLDrew at aol.com Thu Apr 11 12:34:18 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 09:34:18 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] sniper EFI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rich, Pantera tach requires MSD 8920 tach adapter. Mike Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 11, 2019, at 08:57, Rich Hoppe wrote: > > I am installing a Sniper EFI with Holley compatible efi distributor. > I asked Holley if I still need to use the tach adapter. > They said they use a square wave on their output signal. > Does anyone know if I will need to use the tach adapter with my msd 6al > box. > thanks Rich > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From kenn_green at yahoo.com Thu Apr 11 15:22:58 2019 From: kenn_green at yahoo.com (Ken Green) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 19:22:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] It's Back : ( References: <850722991.2116552.1555010578278.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <850722991.2116552.1555010578278@mail.yahoo.com> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1971-Other-Makes-Pantera/223478933294 Seems like it's only a candidate for parts?? The interior looks good, but I'd worry that if any moisture got into the ZF it's beyond economic feasibility. Ken -------------- next part -------------- [1]https://www.ebay.com/itm/1971-Other-Makes-Pantera/223478933294 Seems like it's only a candidate for parts? The interior looks good, but I'd worry that if any moisture got into the ZF it's beyond economic feasibility. Ken References 1. https://www.ebay.com/itm/1971-Other-Makes-Pantera/223478933294 From rimovp at icloud.com Thu Apr 11 15:28:44 2019 From: rimovp at icloud.com (Paul Rimov) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 12:28:44 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Is anti-reversion the answer ? Message-ID: <8AD0C5E0-2BB1-4276-9458-C2BFAE931B9A@icloud.com> Caught a you tube video the other night and was quite intrigued with the header design. It had anti-reversion collectors on all the primary tubes. The theory is the design reduces backward pulses and increases exhaustion flow. Assuming this is the root cause of the 2000 drone would headers designed in this fashion aid in drone reduction and exhaust flow? From audionut at mediacombb.net Thu Apr 11 16:05:15 2019 From: audionut at mediacombb.net (audionut motonut) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 16:05:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [DeTomaso] It's Back : ( In-Reply-To: <850722991.2116552.1555010578278@mail.yahoo.com> References: <850722991.2116552.1555010578278.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <850722991.2116552.1555010578278@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1083037554.79247608.1555013115393.JavaMail.zimbra@mediacombb.net> Yikes. There is air inside a ZF and where there is air, there is moisture. This is how pistons seize up in a sitting motor even when it is garaged. The tiniest pocket of air, even in the driest of climate conditions, contains water. Unless some kind of corrosion-preventive maintenance is performed, metal will always corrode over time. The unique construction of our beloved Panteras makes them especially vulnerable to this creeping, relentless form of car death. One blink and rust happens! -------------------------------------------------------------------- Being an owner of quite a few vintage motorcycles, I have found a reliable way of protecting exposed metals: chain lube. I use a small paint brush to apply it or it can be sprayed into tighter areas without fear of damaging anything. Modern motorcycle chains have o-rings on each link so modern chain lubes are designed to not corrode rubber. Old rubber may not hold up as well as newer rubber. Since chain lube is designed to stay put and not wash away easily, it works for a good long time. Even if rust is already happening, you can "wire brush" the fuzzy bits and lube right over the top of it. This works great on exposed bolt hardware that give us all trouble when they rust up. I have done this for many years without experiencing any loosening of fasteners. (of course, do not apply before using the fastener) WD40 also works as a metal protector but it tends to require more frequent applications. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Green via DeTomaso" To: "DeTomaso Mail List" Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2019 12:22:58 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] It's Back : ( https://www.ebay.com/itm/1971-Other-Makes-Pantera/223478933294 Seems like it's only a candidate for parts? The interior looks good, but I'd worry that if any moisture got into the ZF it's beyond economic feasibility. Ken _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Yikes. There is air inside a ZF and where there is air, there is moisture. This is how pistons seize up in a sitting motor even when it is garaged. The tiniest pocket of air, even in the driest of climate conditions, contains water. Unless some kind of corrosion-preventive maintenance is performed, metal will always corrode over time. The unique construction of our beloved Panteras makes them especially vulnerable to this creeping, relentless form of car death. One blink and rust happens! -------------------------------------------------------------------- Being an owner of quite a few vintage motorcycles, I have found a reliable way of protecting exposed metals: chain lube. I use a small paint brush to apply it or it can be sprayed into tighter areas without fear of damaging anything. Modern motorcycle chains have o-rings on each link so modern chain lubes are designed to not corrode rubber. Old rubber may not hold up as well as newer rubber. Since chain lube is designed to stay put and not wash away easily, it works for a good long time. Even if rust is already happening, you can "wire brush" the fuzzy bits and lube right over the top of it. This works great on exposed bolt hardware that give us all trouble when they rust up. I have done this for many years without experiencing any loosening of fasteners. (of course, do not apply before using the fastener) WD40 also works as a metal protector but it tends to require more frequent applications. __________________________________________________________________ From: "Ken Green via DeTomaso" To: "DeTomaso Mail List" Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2019 12:22:58 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] It's Back : ( https://www.ebay.com/itm/1971-Other-Makes-Pantera/223478933294 Seems like it's only a candidate for parts? The interior looks good, but I'd worry that if any moisture got into the ZF it's beyond economic feasibility. Ken _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From byrdjf at embarqmail.com Thu Apr 11 16:11:17 2019 From: byrdjf at embarqmail.com (Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 16:11:17 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Is anti-reversion the answer ? In-Reply-To: <8AD0C5E0-2BB1-4276-9458-C2BFAE931B9A@icloud.com> References: <8AD0C5E0-2BB1-4276-9458-C2BFAE931B9A@icloud.com> Message-ID: <000601d4f0a2$b992f090$2cb8d1b0$@com> Do you have the link? One of my thoughts (If I ever can do it) would also see if a small crossover could connect the anti reversion chambers on the primaries -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rimov via DeTomaso Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2019 15:29 PM To: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Is anti-reversion the answer ? Caught a you tube video the other night and was quite intrigued with the header design. It had anti-reversion collectors on all the primary tubes. The theory is the design reduces backward pulses and increases exhaustion flow. Assuming this is the root cause of the 2000 drone would headers designed in this fashion aid in drone reduction and exhaust flow? _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From cengles at cox.net Thu Apr 11 16:19:38 2019 From: cengles at cox.net (Charles Engles) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:19:38 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Is anti-reversion the answer ? In-Reply-To: <8AD0C5E0-2BB1-4276-9458-C2BFAE931B9A@icloud.com> References: <8AD0C5E0-2BB1-4276-9458-C2BFAE931B9A@icloud.com> Message-ID: <002601d4f0a3$e88c95d0$b9a5c170$@cox.net> Dear Paul, I am not sure that anyone has completely correctly identified the source of the infamous drone. Mike Drew, IIRC, reported driving one particular Pantera with some sort of special or custom headers that defeated the drone. Anti-reversion header design has been around for a long time with its primary purpose to improve performance by minimizing reversion. I don't recall any mention of reduction of exhaust noise. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rimov via DeTomaso Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2019 2:29 PM To: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Is anti-reversion the answer ? Caught a you tube video the other night and was quite intrigued with the header design. It had anti-reversion collectors on all the primary tubes. The theory is the design reduces backward pulses and increases exhaustion flow. Assuming this is the root cause of the 2000 drone would headers designed in this fashion aid in drone reduction and exhaust flow? _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From mbefthomas at comcast.net Thu Apr 11 20:55:53 2019 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike & Elizabeth Thomas) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 17:55:53 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Anyone need a "slightly warmed over" Coyote for the Pantera . . . Message-ID: <085801d4f0ca$7bc16940$73443bc0$@comcast.net> Mustang buns to the ground. Sad to see, even though he was a DB for the way he was treating it. https://youtu.be/209gUcYf3ZQ Sort of a tough one to claim on insurance. From mbefthomas at comcast.net Thu Apr 11 20:55:53 2019 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike & Elizabeth Thomas) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 17:55:53 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: Anyone need a "slightly warmed over" Coyote for the Pantera . . . Message-ID: <085801d4f0ca$7bc16940$73443bc0$@comcast.net> Mustang buns to the ground. Sad to see, even though he was a DB for the way he was treating it. https://youtu.be/209gUcYf3ZQ Sort of a tough one to claim on insurance. From MikeLDrew at aol.com Thu Apr 11 21:16:10 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 18:16:10 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Is anti-reversion the answer ? In-Reply-To: <002601d4f0a3$e88c95d0$b9a5c170$@cox.net> References: <8AD0C5E0-2BB1-4276-9458-C2BFAE931B9A@icloud.com> <002601d4f0a3$e88c95d0$b9a5c170$@cox.net> Message-ID: <2A78DB05-88FF-4BBA-B856-EEF46A77F930@aol.com> Chuck, Those who attended the POCA Fun Rally last year got to see a comprehensive presentation by the POCA president, Gerry Romack, on the cause and fix for the dreaded exhaust system boom in the cabin. Turns out it?s caused by exhaust pulses bouncing off the washers that are welded to the ends of the resonator tips, inside the mufflers. He showed how he performed surgery on his mufflers, enlarging one washer on each side to change the frequency (or something) and that cured it. Contact Gerry and he will send a many-page PDF showing exactly what needs to be done. I was able to reduce my boom by doing slightly different surgery on my mufflers, as well as heavy dynamat and soundproofing inside the cabin.... Mike Mike Sent from my iPad > On Apr 11, 2019, at 13:19, Charles Engles wrote: > > Dear Paul, > > I am not sure that anyone has completely correctly identified > the source of the infamous drone. Mike Drew, IIRC, reported driving one > particular Pantera with some sort of special or custom headers that defeated > the drone. > > Anti-reversion header design has been around for a long time > with its primary purpose to improve performance by minimizing reversion. I > don't recall any mention of reduction of exhaust noise. > > Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf > Of Paul Rimov via DeTomaso > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2019 2:29 PM > To: DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] Is anti-reversion the answer ? > > Caught a you tube video the other night and was quite intrigued with the > header design. It had anti-reversion collectors on all the primary tubes. > The theory is the design reduces backward pulses and increases exhaustion > flow. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From rob at dumoulins.net Fri Apr 12 10:07:45 2019 From: rob at dumoulins.net (Rob DuMoulin) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2019 10:07:45 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Barn find. Message-ID: Came across this. https://barnfinds.com/1972-de-tomaso-pantera-garage-find/ -------------- next part -------------- Came across this. [1]https://barnfinds.com/1972-de-tomaso-pantera-garage-find/A A References 1. https://barnfinds.com/1972-de-tomaso-pantera-garage-find/ From panteradon at gmail.com Fri Apr 12 16:41:25 2019 From: panteradon at gmail.com (Don Franck) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2019 15:41:25 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Help with Rear Trunk!!! Message-ID: I am in trouble. I was adjusting the latch on the rear trunk and the trunk latched and will not release. After a couple hours of trying, i thought i would loosen the trunk so i could slide it forward and release the latch. Well the shocks then pushed the trunk towards the rear of the car rendering the problem worse. So..... do i remove the trunk bolts to try and make it release hoping the shocks do not shoot the trunk lid backward to the next county? Ps. I have the trunk shocks that mount front to back so the preasure is pushing to the rear of the car instead of up like the stock shocks I have no trunk insert. Any and all suggestions appreciated -- Don -------------- next part -------------- I am in trouble. A A I was adjusting the latch on the rear trunk and the trunk latched and will not release. After a couple hours of trying, i thought i would loosen the trunk so i could slide it forward and release the latch.A Well the shocks then pushed the trunk towards the rear of the car rendering the problem worse. So..... A do i remove the trunk bolts to try and make it release hoping the shocks do not shoot the trunk lid backward to the next county? Ps. I have the trunk shocks that mount front to back so the preasure is pushing to the rear of the car instead of up like the stock shocks I have no trunk insert. Any and all suggestions appreciated -- Don From sjcarguy60 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 12 18:56:10 2019 From: sjcarguy60 at yahoo.com (Dennis Valdez) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2019 22:56:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Barn find. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <741287751.262963.1555109770473@mail.yahoo.com> Interesting wooden steering wheel cover!? I have never seen something like that... Dennis On Friday, April 12, 2019, 7:07:52 AM PDT, Rob DuMoulin wrote: ? Came across this. ? [1]https://barnfinds.com/1972-de-tomaso-pantera-garage-find/A ? A References ? 1. https://barnfinds.com/1972-de-tomaso-pantera-garage-find/ _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Interesting wooden steering wheel cover! I have never seen something like that... Dennis On Friday, April 12, 2019, 7:07:52 AM PDT, Rob DuMoulin wrote: Came across this. [1][1]https://barnfinds.com/1972-de-tomaso-pantera-garage-find/A A References 1. [2]https://barnfinds.com/1972-de-tomaso-pantera-garage-find/ _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [3]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. https://barnfinds.com/1972-de-tomaso-pantera-garage-find/A 2. https://barnfinds.com/1972-de-tomaso-pantera-garage-find/ 3. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From demongusta at gmail.com Fri Apr 12 21:25:03 2019 From: demongusta at gmail.com (Jack Donahue) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2019 18:25:03 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Barn find. In-Reply-To: <741287751.262963.1555109770473@mail.yahoo.com> References: <741287751.262963.1555109770473@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: and it?s ugly > On Apr 12, 2019, at 3:56 PM, Dennis Valdez via DeTomaso wrote: > > Interesting wooden steering wheel cover! I have never seen something > like that... > Dennis > > On Friday, April 12, 2019, 7:07:52 AM PDT, Rob DuMoulin > wrote: > Came across this. > [1][1]https://barnfinds.com/1972-de-tomaso-pantera-garage-find/A > A > References > 1. [2]https://barnfinds.com/1972-de-tomaso-pantera-garage-find/ > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [3]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages. > > References > > 1. https://barnfinds.com/1972-de-tomaso-pantera-garage-find/A > 2. https://barnfinds.com/1972-de-tomaso-pantera-garage-find/ > 3. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From nwpantera at gmail.com Fri Apr 12 23:21:50 2019 From: nwpantera at gmail.com (Matt) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2019 20:21:50 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Barn find. In-Reply-To: References: <741287751.262963.1555109770473@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Only available with the "Country Squire" package, very rare option! One of a kind fur shur. On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 6:25 PM Jack Donahue wrote: > and it?s ugly > > > On Apr 12, 2019, at 3:56 PM, Dennis Valdez via DeTomaso < > detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > > > > Interesting wooden steering wheel cover! I have never seen something > > like that... > > Dennis > > > > On Friday, April 12, 2019, 7:07:52 AM PDT, Rob DuMoulin > > wrote: > > Came across this. > > [1][1]https://barnfinds.com/1972-de-tomaso-pantera-garage-find/A > > A > > References > > 1. 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One of a kind fur shur. On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 6:25 PM Jack Donahue <[1]demongusta at gmail.com> wrote: and itas ugly > On Apr 12, 2019, at 3:56 PM, Dennis Valdez via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > >A A Interesting wooden steering wheel cover!A I have never seen something >A A like that... >A A Dennis > >A A On Friday, April 12, 2019, 7:07:52 AM PDT, Rob DuMoulin >A A <[3]rob at dumoulins.net> wrote: >A A A Came across this. >A A A [1][1][4]https://barnfinds.com/1972-de-tomaso-pantera-garage-find/ A >A A A A >A A References >A A A 1. 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References 1. mailto:demongusta at gmail.com 2. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 3. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net 4. https://barnfinds.com/1972-de-tomaso-pantera-garage-find/A 5. https://barnfinds.com/1972-de-tomaso-pantera-garage-find/ 6. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 7. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 8. https://barnfinds.com/1972-de-tomaso-pantera-garage-find/A 9. https://barnfinds.com/1972-de-tomaso-pantera-garage-find/ 10. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 11. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 12. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 13. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 14. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 15. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From kenn_green at yahoo.com Sat Apr 13 12:26:26 2019 From: kenn_green at yahoo.com (Ken Green) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2019 16:26:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC the Last Doolittle Raider is gone References: <1977298296.1507899.1555172786410.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1977298296.1507899.1555172786410@mail.yahoo.com> An amazing adventure and amazing men: https://mail.yahoo.com/d/folders/1/messages/ALb_na9-9dB-XLFMUgBGUIwSz1c https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doolittle_Raid -------------- next part -------------- An amazing adventure and amazing men: [1]https://mail.yahoo.com/d/folders/1/messages/ALb_na9-9dB-XLFMUgBGUIwS z1c [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doolittle_Raid References 1. https://mail.yahoo.com/d/folders/1/messages/ALb_na9-9dB-XLFMUgBGUIwSz1c 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doolittle_Raid From knottsj at galstar.com Sat Apr 13 15:51:29 2019 From: knottsj at galstar.com (Jerry Knotts) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2019 14:51:29 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC the Last Doolittle Raider is gone In-Reply-To: <1977298296.1507899.1555172786410@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1977298296.1507899.1555172786410.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1977298296.1507899.1555172786410@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <13466a1e-d6cc-abec-2f2c-3a3db86327f8@galstar.com> The dipwads on NBC this morning were so excited about learning of this they announced that the the raid consisted of 16, B52s taking off from the Hornet.? That carrier must have had a deck extension and floats attached. My favorite book as a kid was '30 second over Tokyo", jerry knotts On 4/13/2019 11:26 AM, Ken Green via DeTomaso wrote: > An amazing adventure and amazing men: > [1]https://mail.yahoo.com/d/folders/1/messages/ALb_na9-9dB-XLFMUgBGUIwS > z1c > [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doolittle_Raid > > References > > 1. https://mail.yahoo.com/d/folders/1/messages/ALb_na9-9dB-XLFMUgBGUIwSz1c > 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doolittle_Raid > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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[7]www.avg.com References Visible links 1. https://mail.yahoo.com/d/folders/1/messages/ALb_na9-9dB-XLFMUgBGUIwS 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doolittle_Raid 3. https://mail.yahoo.com/d/folders/1/messages/ALb_na9-9dB-XLFMUgBGUIwSz1c 4. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doolittle_Raid 5. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 7. http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient Hidden links: 9. http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient 10. file://localhost/tmp/tmpVnn2J9.html#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2 From rob at dumoulins.net Sat Apr 13 17:14:43 2019 From: rob at dumoulins.net (Rob DuMoulin) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2019 17:14:43 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Help with Rear Trunk!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Happened to me as well once. Even with my AC condenser in the way, I was able to snake my hand up past it and loosen the two bolts holding the latch on enough to give it slack so the trunk would open. Knuckle buster for sure. I thought it would be much easier if I had a small remote camera but it probably took about 20 minutes to do. Rob DuMoulin 904.476.8744 rob at dumoulins.net www.kbsi.co http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 4:41 PM Don Franck wrote: > I am in trouble. A A > I was adjusting the latch on the rear trunk and the trunk latched and > will not release. > After a couple hours of trying, i thought i would loosen the trunk so i > could slide it forward and release the latch.A Well the shocks then > pushed the trunk towards the rear of the car rendering the problem > worse. > So..... A do i remove the trunk bolts to try and make it release > hoping the shocks do not shoot the trunk lid backward to the next > county? > Ps. I have the trunk shocks that mount front to back so the preasure is > pushing to the rear of the car instead of up like the stock shocks > I have no trunk insert. > Any and all suggestions appreciated > -- > Don > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Happened to me as well once. Even with my AC condenser in the way, I was able to snake my hand up past it and loosen the two bolts holding the latch on enough to give it slack so the trunk would open.A Knuckle buster for sure.A I thought it would be much easier if I had a small remote camera but it probably took about 20 minutes to do. Rob DuMoulin 904.476.8744 [1]rob at dumoulins.net [2]www.kbsi.co [3]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 4:41 PM Don Franck <[4]panteradon at gmail.com> wrote: A A I am in trouble. AA A A A I was adjusting the latch on the rear trunk and the trunk latched and A A will not release. A A After a couple hours of trying, i thought i would loosen the trunk so i A A could slide it forward and release the latch.AA Well the shocks then A A pushed the trunk towards the rear of the car rendering the problem A A worse. A A So..... AA do i remove the trunk bolts to try and make it release A A hoping the shocks do not shoot the trunk lid backward to the next A A county? A A Ps. I have the trunk shocks that mount front to back so the preasure is A A pushing to the rear of the car instead of up like the stock shocks A A I have no trunk insert. A A Any and all suggestions appreciated A A -- A A Don _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [5]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net 2. http://www.kbsi.co/ 3. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 4. mailto:panteradon at gmail.com 5. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From panteradon at gmail.com Sat Apr 13 17:40:38 2019 From: panteradon at gmail.com (Don Franck) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2019 16:40:38 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Help with Rear Trunk!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wow Rob you are good. We have a camera and have worked on it about an hour and a half. We do not have the first nut off. I do have an after maerket AC condenser and fan to it is really in the way. I need longer arms! Don On Saturday, April 13, 2019, Rob DuMoulin wrote: > Happened to me as well once. Even with my AC condenser in the way, I was > able to snake my hand up past it and loosen the two bolts holding the latch > on enough to give it slack so the trunk would open. Knuckle buster for > sure. I thought it would be much easier if I had a small remote camera but > it probably took about 20 minutes to do. > > Rob DuMoulin > 904.476.8744 > rob at dumoulins.net > www.kbsi.co > http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 > > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 4:41 PM Don Franck wrote: > >> I am in trouble. A A >> I was adjusting the latch on the rear trunk and the trunk latched and >> will not release. >> After a couple hours of trying, i thought i would loosen the trunk so i >> could slide it forward and release the latch.A Well the shocks then >> pushed the trunk towards the rear of the car rendering the problem >> worse. >> So..... A do i remove the trunk bolts to try and make it release >> hoping the shocks do not shoot the trunk lid backward to the next >> county? >> Ps. I have the trunk shocks that mount front to back so the preasure is >> pushing to the rear of the car instead of up like the stock shocks >> I have no trunk insert. >> Any and all suggestions appreciated >> -- >> Don >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use >> the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve >> the archiving of list messages. > > -- Don -------------- next part -------------- Wow Rob you are good.A We have a camera and have worked on it about an hour and a half.A We do not have the first nut off. A I do have an after maerket AC condenser and fan to it is really in the way. A A I need longer arms! Don On Saturday, April 13, 2019, Rob DuMoulin <[1]rob at dumoulins.net> wrote: Happened to me as well once. Even with my AC condenser in the way, I was able to snake my hand up past it and loosen the two bolts holding the latch on enough to give it slack so the trunk would open.A Knuckle buster for sure.A I thought it would be much easier if I had a small remote camera but it probably took about 20 minutes to do. Rob DuMoulin 904.476.8744 [2]rob at dumoulins.net [3]www.kbsi.co [4]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 4:41 PM Don Franck <[5]panteradon at gmail.com> wrote: A A I am in trouble. AA A A A I was adjusting the latch on the rear trunk and the trunk latched and A A will not release. A A After a couple hours of trying, i thought i would loosen the trunk so i A A could slide it forward and release the latch.AA Well the shocks then A A pushed the trunk towards the rear of the car rendering the problem A A worse. A A So..... AA do i remove the trunk bolts to try and make it release A A hoping the shocks do not shoot the trunk lid backward to the next A A county? A A Ps. I have the trunk shocks that mount front to back so the preasure is A A pushing to the rear of the car instead of up like the stock shocks A A I have no trunk insert. A A Any and all suggestions appreciated A A -- A A Don _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [6]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [7]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -- Don References 1. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net 2. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net 3. http://www.kbsi.co/ 4. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 5. mailto:panteradon at gmail.com 6. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 7. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From david at msmcontractors.org Sat Apr 13 18:53:22 2019 From: david at msmcontractors.org (David) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2019 17:53:22 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC the Last Doolittle Raider is gone In-Reply-To: <13466a1e-d6cc-abec-2f2c-3a3db86327f8@galstar.com> References: <1977298296.1507899.1555172786410.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1977298296.1507899.1555172786410@mail.yahoo.com> <13466a1e-d6cc-abec-2f2c-3a3db86327f8@galstar.com> Message-ID: <5BBBFFEC-2C7B-48E5-8129-28DC389C0460@msmcontractors.org> Ditto on the book. Remember the Ruptured Duck? David Finley > On Apr 13, 2019, at 2:51 PM, Jerry Knotts wrote: > > The dipwads on NBC this morning were so excited about learning of this > they announced that the the raid consisted of 16, B52s taking off from > the Hornet. That carrier must have had a deck extension and floats > attached. > > My favorite book as a kid was '30 second over Tokyo", > > jerry knotts > > On 4/13/2019 11:26 AM, Ken Green via DeTomaso wrote: > > An amazing adventure and amazing men: > [1][1]https://mail.yahoo.com/d/folders/1/messages/ALb_na9-9dB-XLFMUgBGUIwS > z1c > [2][2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doolittle_Raid > > References > > 1. [3]https://mail.yahoo.com/d/folders/1/messages/ALb_na9-9dB-XLFMUgBGUIwSz1c > 2. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From MikeLDrew at aol.com Sun Apr 14 09:14:00 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2019 08:14:00 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Help with Rear Trunk!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <68FBE6AA-ED27-4740-AE5D-B1C1FC3D2CDF@aol.com> Don, You are in Houston, aren?t you? The club had a huge tech session and party yesterday and there are loads of people there who would have loved to help? I would suggest unbolting the hinges from the roof and then pushing the decklid straight forward which should then allow the latch to clear. Be careful it doesn?t then spring open because of the powerful and effective shocks you have fitted. Good luck! Mike Sent from my iPad > On Apr 13, 2019, at 16:40, Don Franck wrote: > > Wow Rob you are good.A We have a camera and have worked on it about an > hour and a half.A We do not have the first nut off. A I do have an > after maerket AC condenser and fan to it is really in the way. A A > > I need longer arms! > > Don > On Saturday, April 13, 2019, Rob DuMoulin <[1]rob at dumoulins.net> wrote: > > Happened to me as well once. Even with my AC condenser in the way, I > was able to snake my hand up past it and loosen the two bolts holding > the latch on enough to give it slack so the trunk would open.A Knuckle > buster for sure.A I thought it would be much easier if I had a small > remote camera but it probably took about 20 minutes to do. > Rob DuMoulin > 904.476.8744 > [2]rob at dumoulins.net > [3]www.kbsi.co > [4]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 4:41 PM Don Franck <[5]panteradon at gmail.com> > wrote: > > A A I am in trouble. AA A > A A I was adjusting the latch on the rear trunk and the trunk > latched and > A A will not release. > A A After a couple hours of trying, i thought i would loosen the > trunk so i > A A could slide it forward and release the latch.AA Well the > shocks then > A A pushed the trunk towards the rear of the car rendering the > problem > A A worse. > A A So..... AA do i remove the trunk bolts to try and make it > release > A A hoping the shocks do not shoot the trunk lid backward to the > next > A A county? > A A Ps. I have the trunk shocks that mount front to back so the > preasure is > A A pushing to the rear of the car instead of up like the stock > shocks > A A I have no trunk insert. > A A Any and all suggestions appreciated > A A -- > A A Don > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [6]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [7]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) use the links above. > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of > the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an > archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > -- > Don > > References > > 1. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net > 2. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net > 3. http://www.kbsi.co/ > 4. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 > 5. mailto:panteradon at gmail.com > 6. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > 7. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From MikeLDrew at aol.com Sun Apr 14 09:27:58 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2019 08:27:58 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Sunday, April 14, 2019 References: <20190414060204.55862.61092@backend.hammerpricelive.com> Message-ID: All, Another really nice Pantera with a few modifications some would consider garish gets what it deserves: https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Archive/Event/Item/1974-PANTERA-GTS-230022 This was a strong sale. Had it been stock it wouldn?t have been as good a car, but would have sold for more. I consider this car sold for a very fair price to both parties. Mike Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: > From: info at hammerpricelive.com > Date: April 14, 2019 at 01:02:04 CDT > To: MikeLDrew at aol.com > Subject: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Sunday, April 14, 2019 > > > > Portfolio Report Sunday, April 14, 2019 > Pantera > 1. > 1974 DeTomaso SOLD $120,000 USD > Pantera GTS EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD > EXTERIOR Silver > BARRETT-JACKSON > INTERIOR Black > Lot 694 Palm Beach > CHASSIS N? THGTNE06915 > April 13, 2019 3:11PM (EST) > De Tomaso > 1. > 1974 DeTomaso SOLD $120,000 USD > Pantera GTS EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD > EXTERIOR Silver > BARRETT-JACKSON > INTERIOR Black > Lot 694 Palm Beach > CHASSIS N? THGTNE06915 > April 13, 2019 3:11PM (EST) > Too much mail? Adjust your Hammer Price notification preferences in the app using Settings. > ? 2019 Live Auction Results, LLC -------------- next part -------------- All, Another really nice Pantera with a few modifications some would consider garish gets what it deserves: [1]https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Archive/Event/Item/1974-PANTERA-GTS- 230022 This was a strong sale. Had it been stock it wouldn't have been as good a car, but would have sold for more. I consider this car sold for a very fair price to both parties. Mike Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: From: [2]info at hammerpricelive.com Date: April 14, 2019 at 01:02:04 CDT To: [3]MikeLDrew at aol.com Subject: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Sunday, April 14, 2019 Hammer Price : Auction Results In Real Time Portfolio Report Sunday, April 14, 2019 Pantera 1. 1974 DeTomaso Sold $120,000 USD Pantera GTS EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD EXTERIOR Silver Barrett-Jackson INTERIOR Black Lot 694 Palm Beach CHASSIS N-o THGTNE06915 April 13, 2019 3:11PM (EST) De Tomaso 1. 1974 DeTomaso Sold $120,000 USD Pantera GTS EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD EXTERIOR Silver Barrett-Jackson INTERIOR Black Lot 694 Palm Beach CHASSIS N-o THGTNE06915 April 13, 2019 3:11PM (EST) Too much mail? Adjust your Hammer Price notification preferences in the app using Settings. (c) 2019 Live Auction Results, LLC References 1. https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Archive/Event/Item/1974-PANTERA-GTS-230022 2. mailto:info at hammerpricelive.com 3. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com From pantdino at aol.com Sun Apr 14 13:19:51 2019 From: pantdino at aol.com (Pantdino) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2019 17:19:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC the Last Doolittle Raider is gone References: <319108749.3405077.1555262391277.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <319108749.3405077.1555262391277@mail.yahoo.com> I have an old copy of that book, the yellowed pages adding something to the mystique.?Too bad we didn?t have B-52s then. To destroy Berlin in one attack? ?Ah, yes.? Jim Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On?Saturday, April 13, 2019,?David??wrote: Ditto on the book. Remember the Ruptured Duck? David Finley > On Apr 13, 2019, at 2:51 PM, Jerry Knotts wrote: > >? The dipwads on NBC this morning were so excited about learning of this >? they announced that the the raid consisted of 16, B52s taking off from >? the Hornet.? That carrier must have had a deck extension and floats >? attached. > >? My favorite book as a kid was '30 second over Tokyo", > >? jerry knotts > >? On 4/13/2019 11:26 AM, Ken Green via DeTomaso wrote: > >? An amazing adventure and amazing men: >? [1][1]https://mail.yahoo.com/d/folders/1/messages/ALb_na9-9dB-XLFMUgBGUIwS >? z1c >? [2][2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doolittle_Raid > > References > >? 1. [3]https://mail.yahoo.com/d/folders/1/messages/ALb_na9-9dB-XLFMUgBGUIwSz1c >? 2. 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Remember the Ruptured Duck? David Finley > On Apr 13, 2019, at 2:51 PM, Jerry Knotts <[1]knottsj at galstar.com> wrote: > > The dipwads on NBC this morning were so excited about learning of this > they announced that the the raid consisted of 16, B52s taking off from > the Hornet. That carrier must have had a deck extension and floats > attached. > > My favorite book as a kid was '30 second over Tokyo", > > jerry knotts > > On 4/13/2019 11:26 AM, Ken Green via DeTomaso wrote: > > An amazing adventure and amazing men: > [1][1][2]https://mail.yahoo.com/d/folders/1/messages/ALb_na9-9dB-XLFMUg BGUIwS > z1c > [2][2][3]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doolittle_Raid > > References > > 1. [3][4]https://mail.yahoo.com/d/folders/1/messages/ALb_na9-9dB-XLFMUgBGU IwSz1c > 2. 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I had a look at it the day before and it was sound, clean and tidy. Dave On 2019-04-14 6:27 a.m., Mike Drew via DeTomaso wrote: > All, > > Another really nice Pantera with a few modifications some would > consider garish gets what it deserves: > > [1]https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Archive/Event/Item/1974-PANTERA-GTS- > 230022 > > This was a strong sale. Had it been stock it wouldn't have been as good > a car, but would have sold for more. I consider this car sold for a > very fair price to both parties. > > Mike > Sent from my iPad > Begin forwarded message: > > From: [2]info at hammerpricelive.com > Date: April 14, 2019 at 01:02:04 CDT > To: [3]MikeLDrew at aol.com > Subject: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Sunday, April 14, 2019 > > Hammer Price : Auction Results In Real Time > Portfolio Report Sunday, April 14, 2019 > Pantera > 1. > 1974 DeTomaso Sold $120,000 USD > Pantera GTS EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD > EXTERIOR Silver > Barrett-Jackson > INTERIOR Black > Lot 694 Palm Beach > CHASSIS N-o THGTNE06915 > April 13, 2019 3:11PM (EST) > De Tomaso > 1. > 1974 DeTomaso Sold $120,000 USD > Pantera GTS EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD > EXTERIOR Silver > Barrett-Jackson > INTERIOR Black > Lot 694 Palm Beach > CHASSIS N-o THGTNE06915 > April 13, 2019 3:11PM (EST) > Too much mail? 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -- Dave Londry TRGuys.com davel at trguys.com Cell 604-721-2278 Landline 604-589-9182 Skype embeddedspaces -------------- next part -------------- Agreed. I had a look at it the day before and it was sound, clean and tidy. Dave On 2019-04-14 6:27 a.m., Mike Drew via DeTomaso wrote: All, Another really nice Pantera with a few modifications some would consider garish gets what it deserves: [1][1]https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Archive/Event/Item/1974-PANTERA-GTS- 230022 This was a strong sale. Had it been stock it wouldn't have been as good a car, but would have sold for more. I consider this car sold for a very fair price to both parties. Mike Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: From: [[2]2]info at hammerpricelive.com Date: April 14, 2019 at 01:02:04 CDT To: [[3]3]MikeLDrew at aol.com Subject: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Sunday, April 14, 2019 Hammer Price : Auction Results In Real Time Portfolio Report Sunday, April 14, 2019 Pantera 1. 1974 DeTomaso Sold $120,000 USD Pantera GTS EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD EXTERIOR Silver Barrett-Jackson INTERIOR Black Lot 694 Palm Beach CHASSIS N-o THGTNE06915 April 13, 2019 3:11PM (EST) De Tomaso 1. 1974 DeTomaso Sold $120,000 USD Pantera GTS EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD EXTERIOR Silver Barrett-Jackson INTERIOR Black Lot 694 Palm Beach CHASSIS N-o THGTNE06915 April 13, 2019 3:11PM (EST) Too much mail? Adjust your Hammer Price notification preferences in the app using Settings. (c) 2019 Live Auction Results, LLC References 1. [4]https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Archive/Event/Item/1974-PANTERA-GTS-230 022 2. [5]mailto:info at hammerpricelive.com 3. [6]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [7]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [8]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the li nks above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message p osted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of lis t messages. -- Dave Londry TRGuys.com [9]davel at trguys.com Cell 604-721-2278 Landline 604-589-9182 Skype embeddedspaces References 1. https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Archive/Event/Item/1974-PANTERA-GTS 2. mailto:2]info at hammerpricelive.com 3. mailto:3]MikeLDrew at aol.com 4. https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Archive/Event/Item/1974-PANTERA-GTS-230022 5. mailto:info at hammerpricelive.com 6. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 7. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 8. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 9. mailto:davel at trguys.com From fresnofinches at aol.com Sun Apr 14 19:13:43 2019 From: fresnofinches at aol.com (Larry Finch) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2019 16:13:43 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Is this a workable pedal pivots upgrade?? Message-ID: All, The accelerator, brake and clutch pedals all pivot on pins that use either E-clips, or C-clips. They are a royal PITA whenever you must deal with them. There is another option often used to retain pieces to a shaft, the hitch/hairpin cotter pin: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image1.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 69431 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- These pins are much easier to use than the stock clips. They do require a drilled hole through the shaft. With my pedal box sitting on my workbench it looks like the accelerator shaft has enough meat to allow the drilling of a suitable hitch pin hole. Or, as it is pressed into the housing, I imagine it could be pressed back out a little bit to provide a better drilling position. (Obviously, to drill a pin hole while this shaft is in the car is likely an impossible task.) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From jderyke at aol.com Sun Apr 14 19:34:49 2019 From: jderyke at aol.com (jderyke at aol.com) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2019 23:34:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Is this a workable pedal pivots upgrade?? References: <2010956435.3465321.1555284889747.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2010956435.3465321.1555284889747@mail.yahoo.com> Larry, in my opinion any retaining pin hole will be outside the loaded area- thus not a problem. The only difficulty will be in drilling a hole thru what should be a hardened pin. This requires a carbide drill and they are brittle so not easy to hand drill without breakage. On our car I found every single pivot pin that was NOT hardened, was worn part way through. Cheers- J DeRyke -----Original Message----- From: Larry Finch via DeTomaso To: Email List Address For Posting Sent: Sun, Apr 14, 2019 4:14 pm Subject: [DeTomaso] Is this a workable pedal pivots upgrade?? All, The accelerator, brake and clutch pedals all pivot on pins that use either E-clips, or C-clips. They are a royal PITA whenever you must deal with them. There is another option often used to retain pieces to a shaft, the hitch/hairpin cotter pin: These pins are much easier to use than the stock clips. They do require a drilled hole through the shaft. With my pedal box sitting on my workbench it looks like the accelerator shaft has enough meat to allow the drilling of a suitable hitch pin hole. Or, as it is pressed into the housing, I imagine it could be pressed back out a little bit to provide a better drilling position. (Obviously, to drill a pin hole while this shaft is in the car is likely an impossible task.) But for the clutch and brake push-rod pivot shafts, a longer clevis pin looks to be a workable conversion: McMaster Carr stocks the sizes that would be needed: Do the engineers on the list know of any cautions that would deter the use of these clevis pins/hitch pins in our Panteras? Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo._______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Larry, in my opinion any retaining pin hole will be outside the loaded area- thus not a problem. The only difficulty will be in drilling a hole thru what should be a hardened pin. This requires a carbide drill and they are brittle so not easy to hand drill without breakage. On our car I found every single pivot pin that was NOT hardened, was worn part way through. Cheers- J DeRyke -----Original Message----- From: Larry Finch via DeTomaso To: Email List Address For Posting Sent: Sun, Apr 14, 2019 4:14 pm Subject: [DeTomaso] Is this a workable pedal pivots upgrade?? All, The accelerator, brake and clutch pedals all pivot on pins that use either E-clips, or C-clips. They are a royal PITA whenever you must deal with them. There is another option often used to retain pieces to a shaft, the hitch/hairpin cotter pin: These pins are much easier to use than the stock clips. They do require a drilled hole through the shaft. With my pedal box sitting on my workbench it looks like the accelerator shaft has enough meat to allow the drilling of a suitable hitch pin hole. Or, as it is pressed into the housing, I imagine it could be pressed back out a little bit to provide a better drilling position. (Obviously, to drill a pin hole while this shaft is in the car is likely an impossible task.) But for the clutch and brake push-rod pivot shafts, a longer clevis pin looks to be a workable conversion: McMaster Carr stocks the sizes that would be needed: Do the engineers on the list know of any cautions that would deter the use of these clevis pins/hitch pins in our Panteras? Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo._______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [1]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From tipo874a at msn.com Mon Apr 15 15:59:06 2019 From: tipo874a at msn.com (L GRAY) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 19:59:06 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Awfully quiet today Message-ID: Test. Is there anybody out there?? I haven?t received in Detomaso email today and it?s 1:00pm here.... Leslie A. Gray From MikeLDrew at aol.com Mon Apr 15 16:12:36 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 13:12:36 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Awfully quiet today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Les, I?m still recovering from the tech session and Pig Roast at Gray Gregory?s ranch outside Houston this past weekend. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image1.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 151782 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image2.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 115036 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Gray > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov Mon Apr 15 16:19:14 2019 From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov (Himes, Terry (397C)) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 20:19:14 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] [EXTERNAL] Awfully quiet today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm in New Zealand. But.. Hi Les!!! __ "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Space Exploration ? Mission Operations Dawn Spacecraft Team Juno Systems & Software Team TGO Sequence Lead Odyssey Sequence Team Spitzer Space Telescope Data Team Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov ?? ?On 4/16/19, 7:59 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of L GRAY" wrote: Test. Is there anybody out there?? I haven?t received in Detomaso email today and it?s 1:00pm here.... Leslie A. Gray _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From knottsj at galstar.com Mon Apr 15 17:32:56 2019 From: knottsj at galstar.com (Jerry Knotts) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 16:32:56 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Awfully quiet today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <288be276-e976-a37a-2019-241504715168@galstar.com> Had one of my '73s at a broker for a few months with no interest show using his advertisement.? Today I sent my entry to have it scheduled for the Leake auction in Tulsa early June.? They now also run the auction on Iron Planet in conjunction from the live auction. I think I have posted Roys' address with the current set of pictures that are about 2 months old. Anyway: http://www.sinorprestigeauto.com/car/1973-detomaso-pantera-custom/ The car is in Claremore in my trailer so it will be easy to take it to auction and a lot closer than Florida or Scottsdale. Something Detomas is always going on, jerry knotts On 4/15/2019 2:59 PM, L GRAY wrote: > Test. Is there anybody out there?? > I haven?t received in Detomaso email today and it?s 1:00pm here.... > > > Leslie A. Gray_______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCAPosted emails must not exceed 1.5 MegabytesDeTomaso mailing listDeTomaso at server.detomasolist.comhttp://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com From julian_kift at hotmail.com Mon Apr 15 19:54:07 2019 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 23:54:07 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] [EXTERNAL] Awfully quiet today In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: I?m in Georgia, does that count? Julian > On Apr 15, 2019, at 16:19, Himes, Terry (397C) via DeTomaso wrote: > > I'm in New Zealand. But.. Hi Les!!! __ > > > > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, > stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" > > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Deep Space Exploration ? Mission Operations > > Dawn Spacecraft Team > Juno Systems & Software Team > TGO Sequence Lead > Odyssey Sequence Team > Spitzer Space Telescope Data Team > > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > ?? > > > ?On 4/16/19, 7:59 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of L GRAY" wrote: > > > Test. Is there anybody out there?? > I haven?t received in Detomaso email today and it?s 1:00pm here.... > > > Leslie A. Gray > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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From larry at ohiotimecorp.com Mon Apr 15 20:26:35 2019 From: larry at ohiotimecorp.com (larry at ohiotimecorp.com) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 20:26:35 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] FW: [EXTERNAL] Awfully quiet today References: Message-ID: <01ab01d4f3eb$0d4dbe90$27e93bb0$@ohiotimecorp.com> Did they also have a tech session in New Zealand? Larry (going to Youngstown tomorrow) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso On Behalf Of Himes, Terry (397C) via DeTomaso Sent: April 15, 2019 4:19 PM To: L GRAY ; detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] [EXTERNAL] Awfully quiet today I'm in New Zealand. But.. Hi Les!!! __ "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Space Exploration ? Mission Operations Dawn Spacecraft Team Juno Systems & Software Team TGO Sequence Lead Odyssey Sequence Team Spitzer Space Telescope Data Team Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov ?? ?On 4/16/19, 7:59 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of L GRAY" wrote: Test. Is there anybody out there?? I haven?t received in Detomaso email today and it?s 1:00pm here.... Leslie A. Gray _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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From b.hower3400 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 15 21:05:38 2019 From: b.hower3400 at yahoo.com (B Hower) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2019 01:05:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] [EXTERNAL] Awfully quiet today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1666313964.1195787.1555376738237@mail.yahoo.com> I wish I was... does that count .... Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) On Monday, April 15, 2019, 6:54:21 PM CDT, Julian Kift wrote: I?m in Georgia, does that count? Julian > On Apr 15, 2019, at 16:19, Himes, Terry (397C) via DeTomaso wrote: > > I'm in New Zealand.? But..? Hi Les!!!? __ > > > > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, > stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" > > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Deep Space Exploration ? Mission Operations > > Dawn Spacecraft Team > Juno Systems & Software Team > TGO Sequence Lead > Odyssey Sequence Team > Spitzer Space Telescope Data Team > > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell:? ? (818) 653-8213 > thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > ?? > > > ?On 4/16/19, 7:59 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of L GRAY" wrote: > > >? ? Test. Is there anybody out there?? >? ? I haven?t received in Detomaso email today and it?s 1:00pm here.... > > >? ? Leslie A. Gray >? ? _______________________________________________ > > >? ? Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >? ? Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >? ? DeTomaso mailing list >? ? DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >? ? http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > >? ? To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > >? ? Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- I wish I was... does that count .... Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) On Monday, April 15, 2019, 6:54:21 PM CDT, Julian Kift wrote: Iam in Georgia, does that count? Julian > On Apr 15, 2019, at 16:19, Himes, Terry (397C) via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > > I'm in New Zealand. But.. Hi Les!!! __ > > > > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, > stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" > > Terry W. Himes > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > Deep Space Exploration a Mission Operations > > Dawn Spacecraft Team > Juno Systems & Software Team > TGO Sequence Lead > Odyssey Sequence Team > Spitzer Space Telescope Data Team > > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > [2]thimes at jpl.nasa.gov > d--od-, > > > i>>?On 4/16/19, 7:59 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of L GRAY" <[3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of [4]tipo874a at msn.com> wrote: > > > Test. Is there anybody out there?? > I havenat received in Detomaso email today and itas 1:00pm here.... > > > Leslie A. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [9]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [10]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 2. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 3. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 4. mailto:tipo874a at msn.com 5. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 7. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 8. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 9. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 10. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From tipo874a at msn.com Mon Apr 15 23:08:02 2019 From: tipo874a at msn.com (L GRAY) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2019 03:08:02 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Awfully quiet today In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Wow Mike !!! It appears that you?ve a ?few? not so quiet days ! I?m glad it all ended well for you. Thanks for the story, I was beginning to think I was in an episode of the new Twilight Zone ! Leslie A. Gray On Apr 15, 2019, at 1:12 PM, Mike Drew > wrote: Les, I?m still recovering from the tech session and Pig Roast at Gray Gregory?s ranch outside Houston this past weekend. Lots of fun, great food, adventurous drive home including one ammeter fire, one decklid flying open on the freeway, and finally the ammeter car sputtering to a stop and coasting off the freeway into a rather sketchy neighborhood, resulting in another club member rescue with truck and trailer and safe recovery home. Car running perfectly the next day after ammeter bypassed (keep those connections tight or run the risk of overheating the gauge and smoking it). Good times! Mike Sent from my iPad > On Apr 15, 2019, at 12:59, L GRAY > wrote: > > > Test. Is there anybody out there?? > I haven?t received in Detomaso email today and it?s 1:00pm here.... > > > Leslie A. Gray > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Wow Mike !!! It appears that you've a "few" not so quiet days ! I'm glad it all ended well for you. Thanks for the story, I was beginning to think I was in an episode of the new Twilight Zone ! Leslie A. Gray On Apr 15, 2019, at 1:12 PM, Mike Drew <[1]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote: Les, I'm still recovering from the tech session and Pig Roast at Gray Gregory's ranch outside Houston this past weekend. Lots of fun, great food, adventurous drive home including one ammeter fire, one decklid flying open on the freeway, and finally the ammeter car sputtering to a stop and coasting off the freeway into a rather sketchy neighborhood, resulting in another club member rescue with truck and trailer and safe recovery home. Car running perfectly the next day after ammeter bypassed (keep those connections tight or run the risk of overheating the gauge and smoking it). Good times! Mike Sent from my iPad > On Apr 15, 2019, at 12:59, L GRAY <[2]tipo874a at msn.com> wrote: > > > Test. Is there anybody out there?? > I haven't received in Detomaso email today and it's 1:00pm here.... > > > Leslie A. Gray > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [3]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 2. mailto:tipo874a at msn.com 3. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Gray > On Apr 15, 2019, at 2:33 PM, Jerry Knotts wrote: > > Had one of my '73s at a broker for a few months with no interest show using his advertisement. Today I sent my entry to have it scheduled for the Leake auction in Tulsa early June. They now also run the auction on Iron Planet in conjunction from the live auction. > > I think I have posted Roys' address with the current set of pictures that are about 2 months old. Anyway: > > http://www.sinorprestigeauto.com/car/1973-detomaso-pantera-custom/ > > The car is in Claremore in my trailer so it will be easy to take it to auction and a lot closer than Florida or Scottsdale. > > Something Detomas is always going on, > > jerry knotts > > > >> On 4/15/2019 2:59 PM, L GRAY wrote: >> Test. Is there anybody out there?? >> I haven?t received in Detomaso email today and it?s 1:00pm here.... >> >> >> Leslie A. Gray_______________________________________________ >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCAPosted emails must not exceed 1.5 MegabytesDeTomaso mailing listDeTomaso at server.detomasolist.comhttp://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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From knottsj at galstar.com Mon Apr 15 23:32:45 2019 From: knottsj at galstar.com (Jerry Knotts) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 22:32:45 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Awfully quiet today In-Reply-To: References: <288be276-e976-a37a-2019-241504715168@galstar.com> Message-ID: <98b1ad3c-8d00-fb1f-4238-1d8ad6fa05a6@galstar.com> I don't now about the San Diego connection but I do know it came from California about 91 -93.? It was white and gray and it had some additional body work as in vent that I had removed and steel inserts replacing them. On 4/15/2019 10:18 PM, L GRAY wrote: > Thank you for sharing Jerry. This car looks familiar to me. Was it ever owned buy a guy in San Diego county years ago only painted white back then ? > > Leslie A. Gray > >> On Apr 15, 2019, at 2:33 PM, Jerry Knotts wrote: >> >> Had one of my '73s at a broker for a few months with no interest show using his advertisement. Today I sent my entry to have it scheduled for the Leake auction in Tulsa early June. They now also run the auction on Iron Planet in conjunction from the live auction. >> >> I think I have posted Roys' address with the current set of pictures that are about 2 months old. Anyway: >> >> http://www.sinorprestigeauto.com/car/1973-detomaso-pantera-custom/ >> >> The car is in Claremore in my trailer so it will be easy to take it to auction and a lot closer than Florida or Scottsdale. >> >> Something Detomas is always going on, >> >> jerry knotts >> >> >> >>> On 4/15/2019 2:59 PM, L GRAY wrote: >>> Test. Is there anybody out there?? >>> I haven?t received in Detomaso email today and it?s 1:00pm here.... >>> >>> >>> Leslie A. Gray_______________________________________________ >>> >>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCAPosted emails must not exceed 1.5 MegabytesDeTomaso mailing listDeTomaso at server.detomasolist.comhttp://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. >>> >>> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> https://www.avg.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > From cengles at cox.net Tue Apr 16 09:53:49 2019 From: cengles at cox.net (Charles Engles) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2019 08:53:49 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Awfully quiet today In-Reply-To: <98b1ad3c-8d00-fb1f-4238-1d8ad6fa05a6@galstar.com> References: <288be276-e976-a37a-2019-241504715168@galstar.com> <98b1ad3c-8d00-fb1f-4238-1d8ad6fa05a6@galstar.com> Message-ID: <000601d4f45b$d6b69c00$8423d400$@cox.net> Dear Jerry, Ah! Don't forget the unusual "fender flares" or "mud flaps"! They were unique and might jog Les's memory. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles PS: I found a picture deep in the archives which shows the white Pantera in question on a trailer with three nefarious Pantera owners standing in front of it obscuring most of it. It is the most "revealing" picture of the Pantera in question that I have in the digital file. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Knotts Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 10:33 PM To: L GRAY Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Awfully quiet today I don't now about the San Diego connection but I do know it came from California about 91 -93. It was white and gray and it had some additional body work as in vent that I had removed and steel inserts replacing them. On 4/15/2019 10:18 PM, L GRAY wrote: > Thank you for sharing Jerry. This car looks familiar to me. Was it ever owned buy a guy in San Diego county years ago only painted white back then ? > > Leslie A. Gray > >> On Apr 15, 2019, at 2:33 PM, Jerry Knotts wrote: >> >> Had one of my '73s at a broker for a few months with no interest show using his advertisement. Today I sent my entry to have it scheduled for the Leake auction in Tulsa early June. They now also run the auction on Iron Planet in conjunction from the live auction. >> >> I think I have posted Roys' address with the current set of pictures that are about 2 months old. Anyway: >> >> http://www.sinorprestigeauto.com/car/1973-detomaso-pantera-custom/ >> >> The car is in Claremore in my trailer so it will be easy to take it to auction and a lot closer than Florida or Scottsdale. >> >> Something Detomas is always going on, >> >> jerry knotts >> >> >> >>> On 4/15/2019 2:59 PM, L GRAY wrote: >>> Test. Is there anybody out there?? >>> I haven?t received in Detomaso email today and it?s 1:00pm here.... >>> >>> >>> Leslie A. 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(Registration plate appears to be BO 06711) Also, I do not have the VIN of the black car (also a GT5-S but is a conversion on a 1976-ish car) Chuck The De Tomaso Registry Guy [2]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp References 1. http://www.auto-neuser.de/ 2. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp From nwpantera at gmail.com Tue Apr 16 19:35:19 2019 From: nwpantera at gmail.com (Matt) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2019 16:35:19 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Red GT5-S ? In-Reply-To: <5D9416D84C1640EDAA60EA38E1A88840@BOSS3A> References: <5D9416D84C1640EDAA60EA38E1A88840@BOSS3A> Message-ID: Sorry don't have any info on the Red GT5-S but I did enjoy a self guided tour through the dealership by way of the 360 deg. tour feature. The place is well established with a rich history. If you go the the home page and scroll a bit it takes you right to it. Quite the candy store for affluent Germans. Thanks for the heads up Chuck and good luck gumshoe! On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 10:28 AM The DeTomaso Registry Guy < detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote: > > I found a Red (over white ?) Pantera GT5-S at [1]www.auto-neuser.de > > > (They have two DeTomaso) > > > I'm looking for more info and some photos of this red car. > > > Does anyone already know this car ? > > (Registration plate appears to be BO 06711) > > > Also, I do not have the VIN of the black car (also a GT5-S but is a > conversion on a 1976-ish car) > > > Chuck > > > > > The De Tomaso Registry Guy > > [2]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp > > References > > 1. http://www.auto-neuser.de/ > 2. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Sorry don't have any info on the Red GT5-S but I did enjoy a self guided tour through the dealership by way of the 360 deg. tour feature. The place is well established with a rich history. If you go the the home page and scroll a bit it takes you right to it. Quite the candy store for affluent Germans. Thanks for the heads up Chuck and good luck gumshoe! On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 10:28 AM The DeTomaso Registry Guy <[1]detomasoregistry at gmail.com> wrote: A A I found a Red (over white ?) Pantera GT5-S at [1][2]www.auto-neuser.de A A (They have two DeTomaso) A A I'm looking for more info and some photos of this red car. A A Does anyone already know this car ? A A (Registration plate appears to be BO 06711) A A Also, I do not have the VIN of the black car (also a GT5-S but is a A A conversion on a 1976-ish car) A A Chuck A A The De Tomaso Registry Guy A A [2][3]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp References A A 1. [4]http://www.auto-neuser.de/ A A 2. [5]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [6]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [7]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:detomasoregistry at gmail.com 2. http://www.auto-neuser.de/ 3. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp 4. http://www.auto-neuser.de/ 5. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp 6. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 7. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From detomasoregistry at gmail.com Tue Apr 16 19:53:15 2019 From: detomasoregistry at gmail.com (The DeTomaso Registry Guy) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2019 16:53:15 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Orange over tan Pantera L near Houston ? Message-ID: <954A5175836F449597DE1288DBA6AF81@BOSS3A> Anyone recognize an orange Pantera L model with a tan interior (with early dash) in the greater Houston Texas area ? See the registry Unknown1439 (just added) for more pics. Chuck The De Tomaso Registry Guy http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp -------------- next part -------------- Anyone recognize an orange Pantera L model with a tan interior (with early dash) in the greater Houston Texas area ? See the registry Unknown1439 (just added) for more pics... Chuck The De Tomaso Registry Guy [1]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp References 1. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Unknown1439RRO1m2013.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 581838 bytes Desc: not available URL: From will.kooiman at gmail.com Wed Apr 17 21:30:35 2019 From: will.kooiman at gmail.com (Will Kooiman) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2019 21:30:35 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Orange over tan Pantera L near Houston ? In-Reply-To: <954A5175836F449597DE1288DBA6AF81@BOSS3A> References: <954A5175836F449597DE1288DBA6AF81@BOSS3A> Message-ID: Looks like Steve Hawkins?s car. On 4/16/19, 7:53 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of The DeTomaso Registry Guy" wrote: > > Anyone recognize an orange Pantera L model with a tan interior (with > early dash) > > in the greater Houston Texas area ? > > > See the registry Unknown1439 (just added) for more pics... > > > Chuck > > > > > The De Tomaso Registry Guy > > [1]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp > >References > > 1. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp >_______________________________________________ > > >Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > >To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use >the links above. > >Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >approve the archiving of list messages. From lotus0005 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 17 21:34:52 2019 From: lotus0005 at hotmail.com (Bill Lewis) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 01:34:52 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Orange over tan Pantera L near Houston ? In-Reply-To: References: <954A5175836F449597DE1288DBA6AF81@BOSS3A>, Message-ID: Well, I thought the guy in the lawn chair LOOKED like Steve!!!! Is that the car show in Sugarland, or the 249 area? ________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 1:30 AM To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy; List DeTomaso Forum Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Orange over tan Pantera L near Houston ? Looks like Steve Hawkins?s car. On 4/16/19, 7:53 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of The DeTomaso Registry Guy" wrote: > > Anyone recognize an orange Pantera L model with a tan interior (with > early dash) > > in the greater Houston Texas area ? > > > See the registry Unknown1439 (just added) for more pics... > > > Chuck > > > > > The De Tomaso Registry Guy > > [1]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp > >References > > 1. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp >_______________________________________________ > > >Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > >To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use >the links above. > >Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Well, I thought the guy in the lawn chair LOOKED like Steve!!!! Is that the car show in Sugarland, or the 249 area? __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 1:30 AM To: The DeTomaso Registry Guy; List DeTomaso Forum Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Orange over tan Pantera L near Houston ? Looks like Steve Hawkins^1s car. On 4/16/19, 7:53 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of The DeTomaso Registry Guy" wrote: > > Anyone recognize an orange Pantera L model with a tan interior (with > early dash) > > in the greater Houston Texas area ? > > > See the registry Unknown1439 (just added) for more pics... > > > Chuck > > > > > The De Tomaso Registry Guy > > [1]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp > >References > > 1. [1]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp >_______________________________________________ > > >Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >DeTomaso mailing list >DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >[2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > >To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use >the links above. > >Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp 2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From detomasoregistry at gmail.com Thu Apr 18 12:56:46 2019 From: detomasoregistry at gmail.com (The DeTomaso Registry Guy) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 09:56:46 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Unusual GTS color Message-ID: <2B6AD5118FFE4A98BAC70AC9635A47F7@BOSS3A> This car was just added to the registry. (Unknown1440) It has an interesting color. Anyone think this could have been a special order factory color ? I have not seen it on factory color palettes. The details of the car appear to be a Euro-GTS. No registration plate can be seen. Anyone recognize this car ? I suspect the photo was taken in 2009. Chuck The De Tomaso Registry Guy http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp -------------- next part -------------- This car was just added to the registry. (Unknown1440) It has an interesting color. Anyone think this could have been a special order factory color ? I have not seen it on factory color palettes. The details of the car appear to be a Euro-GTS. No registration plate can be seen. Anyone recognize this car ? I suspect the photo was taken in 2009. Chuck The De Tomaso Registry Guy [1]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp References 1. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Unknown1440RoadLS1sc2009.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 186149 bytes Desc: not available URL: From MikeLDrew at aol.com Fri Apr 19 00:29:11 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 21:29:11 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Swedish power steering? Message-ID: Guys, Somebody remind me of the Swedish manufacturer of an electric power steering setup? I?m not talking about SACC?s setup. A friend in Europe needs to know. Thanks! Mike Sent from my iPad From dnunn at telus.net Fri Apr 19 01:35:58 2019 From: dnunn at telus.net (David Nunn) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 22:35:58 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Swedish power steering? Message-ID: <000001d4f671$c53fd820$4fbf8860$@telus.net> Mike, I'm pretty sure this is who you're thinking of. They're actually a Dutch company; EZ Electric Power Steering - http://www.ezpowersteering.nl/ Dave -------------- next part -------------- Mike, I'm pretty sure this is who you're thinking of. They're actually a Dutch company; EZ Electric Power Steering - [1]http://www.ezpowersteering.nl/ Dave References 1. http://www.ezpowersteering.nl/ From fun_tonyb at hotmail.com Fri Apr 19 09:41:42 2019 From: fun_tonyb at hotmail.com (Tony Blevins) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 13:41:42 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Sunday, April 14, 2019 In-Reply-To: References: <20190414060204.55862.61092@backend.hammerpricelive.com>, Message-ID: All, I was at Barret last week and bid on this car. They claimed $100K of upgrades but I thought it was quite stock (by Pantera standards ?). I noted upgraded radiator, non-original exhaust, aftermarket radio, GTS insignia on headrests, overly glossy black accent paint, and modified induction system. It drew quite a crowd as Panteras always do and the consignor was expecting about $175K. I bid $100K even though I don't really need another one. I think someone got a heck of a deal on a very solid car. However, at this auction is was the resto-mods in general that were bringing the big money and the bidders were a bit younger than normal. I think the s/n of the car was 6915 (going off memory) but it might have been 6917. Cheers, Tony ________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2019 6:27 AM To: De Tomaso Forum Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Sunday, April 14, 2019 All, Another really nice Pantera with a few modifications some would consider garish gets what it deserves: https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Archive/Event/Item/1974-PANTERA-GTS-230022 This was a strong sale. Had it been stock it wouldn?t have been as good a car, but would have sold for more. I consider this car sold for a very fair price to both parties. Mike Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: > From: info at hammerpricelive.com > Date: April 14, 2019 at 01:02:04 CDT > To: MikeLDrew at aol.com > Subject: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Sunday, April 14, 2019 > > > > Portfolio Report Sunday, April 14, 2019 > Pantera > 1. > 1974 DeTomaso SOLD $120,000 USD > Pantera GTS EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD > EXTERIOR Silver > BARRETT-JACKSON > INTERIOR Black > Lot 694 Palm Beach > CHASSIS N? THGTNE06915 > April 13, 2019 3:11PM (EST) > De Tomaso > 1. > 1974 DeTomaso SOLD $120,000 USD > Pantera GTS EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD > EXTERIOR Silver > BARRETT-JACKSON > INTERIOR Black > Lot 694 Palm Beach > CHASSIS N? THGTNE06915 > April 13, 2019 3:11PM (EST) > Too much mail? Adjust your Hammer Price notification preferences in the app using Settings. > ? 2019 Live Auction Results, LLC -------------- next part -------------- All, I was at Barret last week and bid on this car. They claimed $100K of upgrades but I thought it was quite stock (by Pantera standards ?). I noted upgraded radiator, non-original exhaust, aftermarket radio, GTS insignia on headrests, overly glossy black accent paint, and modified induction system. It drew quite a crowd as Panteras always do and the consignor was expecting about $175K. I bid $100K even though I don't really need another one. I think someone got a heck of a deal on a very solid car. However, at this auction is was the resto-mods in general that were bringing the big money and the bidders were a bit younger than normal. I think the s/n of the car was 6915 (going off memory) but it might have been 6917. Cheers, Tony __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2019 6:27 AM To: De Tomaso Forum Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Sunday, April 14, 2019 All, Another really nice Pantera with a few modifications some would consider garish gets what it deserves: [1]https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Archive/Event/Item/1974-PANTERA-GTS- 230022 This was a strong sale. Had it been stock it wouldn't have been as good a car, but would have sold for more. I consider this car sold for a very fair price to both parties. Mike Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: > From: info at hammerpricelive.com > Date: April 14, 2019 at 01:02:04 CDT > To: MikeLDrew at aol.com > Subject: Hammer Price Portfolio Report - Sunday, April 14, 2019 > > > > Portfolio Report Sunday, April 14, 2019 > Pantera > 1. > 1974 DeTomaso SOLD $120,000 USD > Pantera GTS EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD > EXTERIOR Silver > BARRETT-JACKSON > INTERIOR Black > Lot 694 Palm Beach > CHASSIS N-o THGTNE06915 > April 13, 2019 3:11PM (EST) > De Tomaso > 1. > 1974 DeTomaso SOLD $120,000 USD > Pantera GTS EST. PRICE $0-$0 USD > EXTERIOR Silver > BARRETT-JACKSON > INTERIOR Black > Lot 694 Palm Beach > CHASSIS N-o THGTNE06915 > April 13, 2019 3:11PM (EST) > Too much mail? Adjust your Hammer Price notification preferences in the app using Settings. > (c) 2019 Live Auction Results, LLC References 1. https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Archive/Event/Item/1974-PANTERA-GTS-230022 From MikeLDrew at aol.com Fri Apr 19 10:10:42 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 07:10:42 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Swedish power steering? In-Reply-To: <000001d4f671$c53fd820$4fbf8860$@telus.net> References: <000001d4f671$c53fd820$4fbf8860$@telus.net> Message-ID: <0EEC7D69-279F-44DC-B08A-C947B867B58F@aol.com> That?s it! Thanks! Mike Sent from my iPad > On Apr 18, 2019, at 22:35, David Nunn wrote: > > Mike, > > I?m pretty sure this is who you?re thinking of. They?re actually a Dutch company; EZ Electric Power Steering - http://www.ezpowersteering.nl/ > > Dave -------------- next part -------------- That's it! Thanks! Mike Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2019, at 22:35, David Nunn <[1]dnunn at telus.net> wrote: Mike, I'm pretty sure this is who you're thinking of. They're actually a Dutch company; EZ Electric Power Steering - [2]http://www.ezpowersteering.nl/ Dave References 1. mailto:dnunn at telus.net 2. http://www.ezpowersteering.nl/ From patrickhals at gmail.com Fri Apr 19 16:29:54 2019 From: patrickhals at gmail.com (Patrick HALS) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 22:29:54 +0200 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC US customs tariff rate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A Belgian friend of mine living in Fort Lauderdale just bought a Ferrari Mondial cabrio in concours condition in an auction in Belgium for a very good price. The car is a 1971 and has spent her entire life in the Netherlands and was always maintained by Ferrari in the Netherlands He is considering importing the car in Florida for his family and kids to enjoy, but does not know anything about customs duties . He is afraid the new customs regulations could kill his hopes ! He doersn't think the car should be modified for road use, as the car is from 1971. I told him he should have thought of this before purchase, and tried to convince him to buy a Pantera in Florida or elsewhere , but sadly, he has been intoxicated with this strange "Cavallino Rampante" virus. Can anyone help ? Thank you Pat Candy 2862 ADA 9628 -------------- next part -------------- A Belgian friend of mine living in Fort Lauderdale just bought a Ferrari Mondial cabrio in concours condition in an auction in Belgium for a very good price. The car is a 1971 and has spent her entire life in the Netherlands and was always maintained by Ferrari in the Netherlands He is considering importing the car in Florida for his family and kids to enjoy, but does not know anything about customs duties . He is afraid the new customs regulations could kill his hopes ! He doersn't think the car should be modified for road use, as the car is from 1971. I told him he should have thought of this before purchase, and tried to convince him to buy a Pantera in Florida or elsewhere , but sadly, he has been intoxicated with this strange "Cavallino Rampante" virus.A Can anyone help ?A Thank youA Pat Candy 2862 ADA 9628 From willibillie at live.de Fri Apr 19 16:32:17 2019 From: willibillie at live.de (Roland) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 20:32:17 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC US customs tariff rate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wait after 2020..... Am 19.04.2019 um 22:29 schrieb Patrick HALS: A Belgian friend of mine living in Fort Lauderdale just bought a Ferrari Mondial cabrio in concours condition in an auction in Belgium for a very good price. The car is a 1971 and has spent her entire life in the Netherlands and was always maintained by Ferrari in the Netherlands He is considering importing the car in Florida for his family and kids to enjoy, but does not know anything about customs duties . He is afraid the new customs regulations could kill his hopes ! He doersn't think the car should be modified for road use, as the car is from 1971. I told him he should have thought of this before purchase, and tried to convince him to buy a Pantera in Florida or elsewhere , but sadly, he has been intoxicated with this strange "Cavallino Rampante" virus.A Can anyone help ?A Thank youA Pat Candy 2862 ADA 9628 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Wait after 2020..... Am 19.04.2019 um 22:29 schrieb Patrick HALS: A Belgian friend of mine living in Fort Lauderdale just bought a Ferrari Mondial cabrio in concours condition in an auction in Belgium for a very good price. The car is a 1971 and has spent her entire life in the Netherlands and was always maintained by Ferrari in the Netherlands He is considering importing the car in Florida for his family and kids to enjoy, but does not know anything about customs duties . He is afraid the new customs regulations could kill his hopes ! He doersn't think the car should be modified for road use, as the car is from 1971. I told him he should have thought of this before purchase, and tried to convince him to buy a Pantera in Florida or elsewhere , but sadly, he has been intoxicated with this strange "Cavallino Rampante" virus.A Can anyone help ?A Thank youA Pat Candy 2862 ADA 9628 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [1]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the li nks above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message p osted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of lis t messages. References 1. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From davel at trguys.com Fri Apr 19 16:52:53 2019 From: davel at trguys.com (Dave Londry) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 13:52:53 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC US customs tariff rate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <952d964a-9ab8-b818-f442-f88332b03b61@trguys.com> There is quite a lot of info on the web, some of it up-to-date. https://www.carsdirect.com/car-buying/how-to-import-a-car-from-europe dave On 2019-04-19 1:29 p.m., Patrick HALS wrote: > A Belgian friend of mine living in Fort Lauderdale just bought a > Ferrari Mondial cabrio in concours condition in an auction in Belgium > for a very good price. The car is a 1971 and has spent her entire life > in the Netherlands and was always maintained by Ferrari in the > Netherlands > He is considering importing the car in Florida for his family and kids > to enjoy, but does not know anything about customs duties . He is > afraid the new customs regulations could kill his hopes ! He doersn't > think the car should be modified for road use, as the car is from 1971. > I told him he should have thought of this before purchase, and tried to > convince him to buy a Pantera in Florida or elsewhere , but sadly, he > has been intoxicated with this strange "Cavallino Rampante" virus.A > Can anyone help ?A > Thank youA > Pat > Candy 2862 > ADA 9628 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -- Dave Londry TRGuys.com davel at trguys.com Cell 604-721-2278 Landline 604-589-9182 Skype embeddedspaces -------------- next part -------------- There is quite a lot of info on the web, some of it up-to-date. [1]https://www.carsdirect.com/car-buying/how-to-import-a-car-from-europ e dave On 2019-04-19 1:29 p.m., Patrick HALS wrote: A Belgian friend of mine living in Fort Lauderdale just bought a Ferrari Mondial cabrio in concours condition in an auction in Belgium for a very good price. The car is a 1971 and has spent her entire life in the Netherlands and was always maintained by Ferrari in the Netherlands He is considering importing the car in Florida for his family and kids to enjoy, but does not know anything about customs duties . He is afraid the new customs regulations could kill his hopes ! He doersn't think the car should be modified for road use, as the car is from 1971. I told him he should have thought of this before purchase, and tried to convince him to buy a Pantera in Florida or elsewhere , but sadly, he has been intoxicated with this strange "Cavallino Rampante" virus.A Can anyone help ?A Thank youA Pat Candy 2862 ADA 9628 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [2]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the li nks above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message p osted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of lis t messages. -- Dave Londry TRGuys.com [4]davel at trguys.com Cell 604-721-2278 Landline 604-589-9182 Skype embeddedspaces References 1. https://www.carsdirect.com/car-buying/how-to-import-a-car-from-europe 2. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 4. mailto:davel at trguys.com From julian_kift at hotmail.com Fri Apr 19 16:54:24 2019 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 20:54:24 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC US customs tariff rate In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Patrick, I don't know that anything has changed, it is still relatively easy to import a vehicle under the +25 year old rule. I would suggest if your friend is not familiar with the process he uses one of the numerous shipper/brokers to do all the paperwork for him. There are also online calculators for duties and fees e.g. if he paid $50,000 for the Mondial the import duties + fees would be $2500, plus his shipping cost, which being Netherlands to Florida should be one of the more direct routes. He could wait until after 2020, but I suspect nothing much will change, maybe Brexit will have happened, but that has nothing to do with it other than some Germans will be even more pissed at the US and UK! Best regards, Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Roland Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 1:32 PM To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC US customs tariff rate Wait after 2020..... Am 19.04.2019 um 22:29 schrieb Patrick HALS: A Belgian friend of mine living in Fort Lauderdale just bought a Ferrari Mondial cabrio in concours condition in an auction in Belgium for a very good price. The car is a 1971 and has spent her entire life in the Netherlands and was always maintained by Ferrari in the Netherlands He is considering importing the car in Florida for his family and kids to enjoy, but does not know anything about customs duties . He is afraid the new customs regulations could kill his hopes ! He doersn't think the car should be modified for road use, as the car is from 1971. I told him he should have thought of this before purchase, and tried to convince him to buy a Pantera in Florida or elsewhere , but sadly, he has been intoxicated with this strange "Cavallino Rampante" virus.A Can anyone help ?A Thank youA Pat Candy 2862 ADA 9628 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Patrick, I don't know that anything has changed, it is still relatively easy to import a vehicle under the +25 year old rule. I would suggest if your friend is not familiar with the process he uses one of the numerous shipper/brokers to do all the paperwork for him. There are also online calculators for duties and fees e.g. if he paid $50,000 for the Mondial the import duties + fees would be $2500, plus his shipping cost, which being Netherlands to Florida should be one of the more direct routes. He could wait until after 2020, but I suspect nothing much will change, maybe Brexit will have happened, but that has nothing to do with it other than some Germans will be even more pissed at the US and UK! Best regards, Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Roland Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 1:32 PM To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC US customs tariff rate Wait after 2020..... Am 19.04.2019 um 22:29 schrieb Patrick HALS: A Belgian friend of mine living in Fort Lauderdale just bought a Ferrari Mondial cabrio in concours condition in an auction in Belgium for a very good price. The car is a 1971 and has spent her entire life in the Netherlands and was always maintained by Ferrari in the Netherlands He is considering importing the car in Florida for his family and kids to enjoy, but does not know anything about customs duties . He is afraid the new customs regulations could kill his hopes ! He doersn't think the car should be modified for road use, as the car is from 1971. I told him he should have thought of this before purchase, and tried to convince him to buy a Pantera in Florida or elsewhere , but sadly, he has been intoxicated with this strange "Cavallino Rampante" virus.A Can anyone help ?A Thank youA Pat Candy 2862 ADA 9628 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [1]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From pantdino at aol.com Fri Apr 19 17:30:01 2019 From: pantdino at aol.com (Pantdino) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 21:30:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC US customs tariff rate References: <1898414436.2085567.1555709401020.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1898414436.2085567.1555709401020@mail.yahoo.com> I don't think Ferrari made the Mondial in 1971- those were the days of the Dino, Daytona, and other 365s.? Are you sure its not a 1991? Regardless, the duty is not exorbitant but he should check importation restrictions and emissions requirements. Jim? -----Original Message----- From: Dave Londry To: detomaso Sent: Fri, Apr 19, 2019 1:53 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC US customs tariff rate ? There is quite a lot of info on the web, some of it up-to-date. ? [1]https://www.carsdirect.com/car-buying/how-to-import-a-car-from-europ ? e ? dave ? On 2019-04-19 1:29 p.m., Patrick HALS wrote: ? A Belgian friend of mine living in Fort Lauderdale just bought a ? Ferrari Mondial cabrio in concours condition in an auction in Belgium ? for a very good price. The car is a 1971 and has spent her entire life ? in the Netherlands and was always maintained by Ferrari in the ? Netherlands ? He is considering importing the car in Florida for his family and kids ? to enjoy, but does not know anything about customs duties . He is ? afraid the new customs regulations could kill his hopes ! He doersn't ? think the car should be modified for road use, as the car is from 1971. ? I told him he should have thought of this before purchase, and tried to ? convince him to buy a Pantera in Florida or elsewhere , but sadly, he ? has been intoxicated with this strange "Cavallino Rampante" virus.A ? Can anyone help ?A ? Thank youA ? Pat ? Candy 2862 ? 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- I don't think Ferrari made the Mondial in 1971- those were the days of the Dino, Daytona, and other 365s. Are you sure its not a 1991? Regardless, the duty is not exorbitant but he should check importation restrictions and emissions requirements. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Dave Londry To: detomaso Sent: Fri, Apr 19, 2019 1:53 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC US customs tariff rate There is quite a lot of info on the web, some of it up-to-date. [1][1]https://www.carsdirect.com/car-buying/how-to-import-a-car-from-eu rop e dave On 2019-04-19 1:29 p.m., Patrick HALS wrote: A Belgian friend of mine living in Fort Lauderdale just bought a Ferrari Mondial cabrio in concours condition in an auction in Belgium for a very good price. The car is a 1971 and has spent her entire life in the Netherlands and was always maintained by Ferrari in the Netherlands He is considering importing the car in Florida for his family and kids to enjoy, but does not know anything about customs duties . He is afraid the new customs regulations could kill his hopes ! He doersn't think the car should be modified for road use, as the car is from 1971. I told him he should have thought of this before purchase, and tried to convince him to buy a Pantera in Florida or elsewhere , but sadly, he has been intoxicated with this strange "Cavallino Rampante" virus.A Can anyone help ?A Thank youA Pat Candy 2862 ADA 9628 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [2][2]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [3][3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the li nks above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message p osted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of lis t messages. -- Dave Londry TRGuys.com [4][4]davel at trguys.com Cell 604-721-2278 Landline 604-589-9182 Skype embeddedspaces References 1. [5]https://www.carsdirect.com/car-buying/how-to-import-a-car-from-europ e 2. mailto:[6]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 3. [7]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 4. mailto:[8]davel at trguys.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [9]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [10]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. https://www.carsdirect.com/car-buying/how-to-import-a-car-from-europ 2. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 4. mailto:davel at trguys.com 5. https://www.carsdirect.com/car-buying/how-to-import-a-car-from-europe 6. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 7. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 8. mailto:davel at trguys.com 9. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 10. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From ehpantera at yahoo.com Fri Apr 19 22:20:32 2019 From: ehpantera at yahoo.com (ehpantera) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 22:20:32 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC US customs tariff rate In-Reply-To: <1898414436.2085567.1555709401020@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Duty for classic cars is 2.5%. If car is 25+ years old, emission and safety standards do not apply.?Mark?Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Pantdino via DeTomaso Date: 4/19/19 5:30 PM (GMT-05:00) To: davel at trguys.com, detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC US customs tariff rate I don't think Ferrari made the Mondial in 1971- those were the days of the Dino, Daytona, and other 365s.? Are you sure its not a 1991?Regardless, the duty is not exorbitant but he should check importation restrictions and emissions requirements.Jim?-----Original Message-----From: Dave Londry To: detomaso Sent: Fri, Apr 19, 2019 1:53 pmSubject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC US customs tariff rate? There is quite a lot of info on the web, some of it up-to-date.? [1]https://www.carsdirect.com/car-buying/how-to-import-a-car-from-europ? e? dave? On 2019-04-19 1:29 p.m., Patrick HALS wrote:? A Belgian friend of mine living in Fort Lauderdale just bought a? Ferrari Mondial cabrio in concours condition in an auction in Belgium? for a very good price. The car is a 1971 and has spent her entire life? in the Netherlands and was always maintained by Ferrari in the? Netherlands? He is considering importing the car in Florida for his family and kids? to enjoy, but does not know anything about customs duties . He is? afraid the new customs regulations could kill his hopes ! He doersn't? think the car should be modified for road use, as the car is from 1971.? I told him he should have thought of this before purchase, and tried to? convince him to buy a Pantera in Florida or elsewhere , but sadly, he? has been intoxicated with this strange "Cavallino Rampante" virus.A? Can anyone help ?A? Thank youA? Pat? Candy 2862? 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Duty for classic cars is 2.5%. If car is 25+ years old, emission and safety standards do not apply. Mark Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Pantdino via DeTomaso Date: 4/19/19 5:30 PM (GMT-05:00) To: davel at trguys.com, detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC US customs tariff rate I don't think Ferrari made the Mondial in 1971- those were the days of the Dino, Daytona, and other 365s. Are you sure its not a 1991? Regardless, the duty is not exorbitant but he should check importation restrictions and emissions requirements. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Dave Londry To: detomaso Sent: Fri, Apr 19, 2019 1:53 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC US customs tariff rate There is quite a lot of info on the web, some of it up-to-date. [1]https://www.carsdirect.com/car-buying/how-to-import-a-car-from-europ e dave On 2019-04-19 1:29 p.m., Patrick HALS wrote: A Belgian friend of mine living in Fort Lauderdale just bought a Ferrari Mondial cabrio in concours condition in an auction in Belgium for a very good price. The car is a 1971 and has spent her entire life in the Netherlands and was always maintained by Ferrari in the Netherlands He is considering importing the car in Florida for his family and kids to enjoy, but does not know anything about customs duties . He is afraid the new customs regulations could kill his hopes ! He doersn't think the car should be modified for road use, as the car is from 1971. I told him he should have thought of this before purchase, and tried to convince him to buy a Pantera in Florida or elsewhere , but sadly, he has been intoxicated with this strange "Cavallino Rampante" virus.A Can anyone help ?A Thank youA Pat Candy 2862 ADA 9628 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [2]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the li nks above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message p osted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From vinh.d.ly at gmail.com Sun Apr 21 17:16:10 2019 From: vinh.d.ly at gmail.com (Vinh Ly) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2019 17:16:10 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Johnny Woods Engine Bay Workbench Message-ID: Johnny Woods is no longer making them (pics attached). Anybody have one that they want to sell or know how I can get one? Regards, Vinh -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image1.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 511055 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Anybody have one that they want to sell or know how I can get one? > > Regards, > Vinh > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From vinh.d.ly at gmail.com Mon Apr 22 10:49:05 2019 From: vinh.d.ly at gmail.com (Vinh Ly) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 10:49:05 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Johnny Woods Engine Bay Workbench In-Reply-To: <8C5BBDBC-DB1C-46DD-81B2-3A6CDCE0340D@aol.com> References: <8C5BBDBC-DB1C-46DD-81B2-3A6CDCE0340D@aol.com> Message-ID: Mike, I think I have the aftermarket fat bar that has the center adjusting nut? Would it work with that? If so you can put me down for 2 benches. Regards, Vinh On Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 10:28 Mike Drew wrote: > Johnny and I made them together at my house, and he left me the jig used > to create them. If there was enough interest perhaps we could make another > production run? > > I would modify the front to do away with the 90-degree angles in exchange > for a 45-degree bend, so it would clear the chassis stiffening kits that > weren?t around back then..... > > Mike > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Apr 21, 2019, at 14:16, Vinh Ly wrote: > > > > Johnny Woods is no longer making them (pics attached). Anybody have one > that they want to sell or know how I can get one? > > > > Regards, > > Vinh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > > > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. > > -------------- next part -------------- Mike, I think I have the aftermarket fat bar that has the center adjusting nut?A Would it work with that?A If so you can put me down for 2 benches. Regards, VinhA On Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 10:28 Mike Drew <[1]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote: Johnny and I made them together at my house, and he left me the jig used to create them. If there was enough interest perhaps we could make another production run? I would modify the front to do away with the 90-degree angles in exchange for a 45-degree bend, so it would clear the chassis stiffening kits that werenat around back then..... Mike Sent from my iPad > On Apr 21, 2019, at 14:16, Vinh Ly <[2]vinh.d.ly at gmail.com> wrote: > > Johnny Woods is no longer making them (pics attached).A Anybody have one that they want to sell or know how I can get one? > > Regards, > Vinh > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [3]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 2. mailto:vinh.d.ly at gmail.com 3. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From MikeLDrew at aol.com Mon Apr 22 10:57:11 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 07:57:11 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Johnny Woods Engine Bay Workbench In-Reply-To: References: <8C5BBDBC-DB1C-46DD-81B2-3A6CDCE0340D@aol.com> Message-ID: It was actually designed specifically to work with that bar. We made 40 of them last time. We would have to have an order at least that size to make it worthwhile. As it is, we lost money on the project. But it was fun! Mike Sent from my iPad > On Apr 22, 2019, at 07:49, Vinh Ly wrote: > > Mike, > > I think I have the aftermarket fat bar that has the center adjusting nut? Would it work with that? If so you can put me down for 2 benches. > > Regards, > Vinh > > >> On Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 10:28 Mike Drew wrote: >> Johnny and I made them together at my house, and he left me the jig used to create them. If there was enough interest perhaps we could make another production run? >> >> I would modify the front to do away with the 90-degree angles in exchange for a 45-degree bend, so it would clear the chassis stiffening kits that weren?t around back then..... >> >> Mike >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> > On Apr 21, 2019, at 14:16, Vinh Ly wrote: >> > >> > Johnny Woods is no longer making them (pics attached). Anybody have one that they want to sell or know how I can get one? >> > >> > Regards, >> > Vinh >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > >> > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> > DeTomaso mailing list >> > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >> > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> > >> > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >> > >> > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. >> -------------- next part -------------- It was actually designed specifically to work with that bar. We made 40 of them last time. We would have to have an order at least that size to make it worthwhile. As it is, we lost money on the project. But it was fun! Mike Sent from my iPad On Apr 22, 2019, at 07:49, Vinh Ly <[1]vinh.d.ly at gmail.com> wrote: Mike, I think I have the aftermarket fat bar that has the center adjusting nut? Would it work with that? If so you can put me down for 2 benches. Regards, Vinh On Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 10:28 Mike Drew <[2]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote: Johnny and I made them together at my house, and he left me the jig used to create them. If there was enough interest perhaps we could make another production run? I would modify the front to do away with the 90-degree angles in exchange for a 45-degree bend, so it would clear the chassis stiffening kits that weren't around back then..... Mike Sent from my iPad > On Apr 21, 2019, at 14:16, Vinh Ly <[3]vinh.d.ly at gmail.com> wrote: > > Johnny Woods is no longer making them (pics attached). Anybody have one that they want to sell or know how I can get one? > > Regards, > Vinh > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [4]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:vinh.d.ly at gmail.com 2. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 3. mailto:vinh.d.ly at gmail.com 4. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 5. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From david at msmcontractors.org Mon Apr 22 11:04:18 2019 From: david at msmcontractors.org (David) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 10:04:18 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Johnny Woods Engine Bay Workbench In-Reply-To: References: <8C5BBDBC-DB1C-46DD-81B2-3A6CDCE0340D@aol.com> Message-ID: <7A951E80-0B08-40D3-BFD3-59DD14342656@msmcontractors.org> I would like to add my name to the ?would like one if you get enough people to make it worth your while? list! David Finley #3659 > On Apr 22, 2019, at 9:57 AM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso wrote: > > It was actually designed specifically to work with that bar. We made 40 > of them last time. We would have to have an order at least that size to > make it worthwhile. As it is, we lost money on the project. But it was > fun! > > Mike > Sent from my iPad > On Apr 22, 2019, at 07:49, Vinh Ly <[1]vinh.d.ly at gmail.com> wrote: > > Mike, > I think I have the aftermarket fat bar that has the center adjusting > nut? Would it work with that? If so you can put me down for 2 > benches. > Regards, > Vinh > On Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 10:28 Mike Drew <[2]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote: > > Johnny and I made them together at my house, and he left me the jig > used to create them. If there was enough interest perhaps we could > make another production run? > I would modify the front to do away with the 90-degree angles in > exchange for a 45-degree bend, so it would clear the chassis > stiffening kits that weren't around back then..... > Mike > Sent from my iPad >> On Apr 21, 2019, at 14:16, Vinh Ly <[3]vinh.d.ly at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Johnny Woods is no longer making them (pics attached). Anybody > have one that they want to sell or know how I can get one? >> >> Regards, >> Vinh >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> [4]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >> [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of > the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an > archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > References > > 1. mailto:vinh.d.ly at gmail.com > 2. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com > 3. mailto:vinh.d.ly at gmail.com > 4. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > 5. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From Chen at pinnacleswfla.com Mon Apr 22 16:20:47 2019 From: Chen at pinnacleswfla.com (Chen Su) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 20:20:47 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Johnny Woods Engine Bay Workbench In-Reply-To: References: <8C5BBDBC-DB1C-46DD-81B2-3A6CDCE0340D@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi I am interested in one my name is chen I have a 74 pantera thanks -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso On Behalf Of Vinh Ly Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 10:49 AM To: Mike Drew Cc: Pantera Mail List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Johnny Woods Engine Bay Workbench Mike, I think I have the aftermarket fat bar that has the center adjusting nut? Would it work with that? If so you can put me down for 2 benches. Regards, Vinh On Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 10:28 Mike Drew wrote: > Johnny and I made them together at my house, and he left me the jig > used to create them. If there was enough interest perhaps we could > make another production run? > > I would modify the front to do away with the 90-degree angles in > exchange for a 45-degree bend, so it would clear the chassis > stiffening kits that weren?t around back then..... > > Mike > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Apr 21, 2019, at 14:16, Vinh Ly wrote: > > > > Johnny Woods is no longer making them (pics attached). Anybody have > > one > that they want to sell or know how I can get one? > > > > Regards, > > Vinh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not > > exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > > etc.) > use the links above. > > > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > > any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or > approve the archiving of list messages. > > From lwall67 at gmail.com Mon Apr 22 16:39:51 2019 From: lwall67 at gmail.com (Lynn Wall) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 14:39:51 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] Johnny Woods Engine Bay Workbench In-Reply-To: References: <8C5BBDBC-DB1C-46DD-81B2-3A6CDCE0340D@aol.com> Message-ID: <03cd01d4f94b$89a8c6f0$9cfa54d0$@gmail.com> Hey Mike, If it works, I would like one as well. Thanks Lynn Wall 435-565-0252 -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Chen Su Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 2:21 PM To: Vinh Ly ; Mike Drew Cc: Pantera Mail List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Johnny Woods Engine Bay Workbench Hi I am interested in one my name is chen I have a 74 pantera thanks -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso On Behalf Of Vinh Ly Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 10:49 AM To: Mike Drew Cc: Pantera Mail List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Johnny Woods Engine Bay Workbench Mike, I think I have the aftermarket fat bar that has the center adjusting nut? Would it work with that? If so you can put me down for 2 benches. Regards, Vinh On Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 10:28 Mike Drew wrote: > Johnny and I made them together at my house, and he left me the jig > used to create them. If there was enough interest perhaps we could > make another production run? > > I would modify the front to do away with the 90-degree angles in > exchange for a 45-degree bend, so it would clear the chassis > stiffening kits that weren?t around back then..... > > Mike > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Apr 21, 2019, at 14:16, Vinh Ly wrote: > > > > Johnny Woods is no longer making them (pics attached). Anybody have > > one > that they want to sell or know how I can get one? > > > > Regards, > > Vinh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not > > exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > > etc.) > use the links above. > > > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > > any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or > approve the archiving of list messages. > > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From davel at trguys.com Mon Apr 22 16:53:21 2019 From: davel at trguys.com (Dave Londry) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 13:53:21 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Johnny Woods Engine Bay Workbench In-Reply-To: <03cd01d4f94b$89a8c6f0$9cfa54d0$@gmail.com> References: <8C5BBDBC-DB1C-46DD-81B2-3A6CDCE0340D@aol.com> <03cd01d4f94b$89a8c6f0$9cfa54d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sign me up for one please Mike. Pulling heads, while kneeling on a fiber pad, is just too hard! Dave On 2019-04-22 1:39 p.m., Lynn Wall wrote: > Hey Mike, > > If it works, I would like one as well. > > Thanks > > Lynn Wall 435-565-0252 > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Chen Su > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 2:21 PM > To: Vinh Ly ; Mike Drew > Cc: Pantera Mail List > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Johnny Woods Engine Bay Workbench > > Hi > > I am interested in one my name is chen I have a 74 pantera > > thanks > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso On Behalf Of Vinh Ly > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 10:49 AM > To: Mike Drew > Cc: Pantera Mail List > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Johnny Woods Engine Bay Workbench > > Mike, > > I think I have the aftermarket fat bar that has the center adjusting nut? > Would it work with that? If so you can put me down for 2 benches. > > Regards, > Vinh > > > On Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 10:28 Mike Drew wrote: > >> Johnny and I made them together at my house, and he left me the jig >> used to create them. If there was enough interest perhaps we could >> make another production run? >> >> I would modify the front to do away with the 90-degree angles in >> exchange for a 45-degree bend, so it would clear the chassis >> stiffening kits that weren?t around back then..... >> >> Mike >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Apr 21, 2019, at 14:16, Vinh Ly wrote: >>> >>> Johnny Woods is no longer making them (pics attached). Anybody have >>> one >> that they want to sell or know how I can get one? >>> Regards, >>> Vinh >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not >>> exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list >>> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >>> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, >>> etc.) >> use the links above. >>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >>> any >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >> approve the archiving of list messages. >> >> > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -- Dave Londry TRGuys.com davel at trguys.com Cell 604-721-2278 Landline 604-589-9182 Skype embeddedspaces From reillyms at live.com Mon Apr 22 21:56:00 2019 From: reillyms at live.com (Mike Reilly) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 01:56:00 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Johnny Woods Engine Bay Workbench In-Reply-To: References: <8C5BBDBC-DB1C-46DD-81B2-3A6CDCE0340D@aol.com> <03cd01d4f94b$89a8c6f0$9cfa54d0$@gmail.com>, Message-ID: I?d be in for one as well. Mike R. ________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Dave Londry Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 1:53:21 PM To: Lynn Wall; 'Mike Drew' Cc: 'Pantera Mail List' Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Johnny Woods Engine Bay Workbench Sign me up for one please Mike. Pulling heads, while kneeling on a fiber pad, is just too hard! Dave On 2019-04-22 1:39 p.m., Lynn Wall wrote: > Hey Mike, > > If it works, I would like one as well. > > Thanks > > Lynn Wall 435-565-0252 > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Chen Su > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 2:21 PM > To: Vinh Ly ; Mike Drew > Cc: Pantera Mail List > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Johnny Woods Engine Bay Workbench > > Hi > > I am interested in one my name is chen I have a 74 pantera > > thanks > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso On Behalf Of Vinh Ly > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 10:49 AM > To: Mike Drew > Cc: Pantera Mail List > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Johnny Woods Engine Bay Workbench > > Mike, > > I think I have the aftermarket fat bar that has the center adjusting nut? > Would it work with that? If so you can put me down for 2 benches. > > Regards, > Vinh > > > On Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 10:28 Mike Drew wrote: > >> Johnny and I made them together at my house, and he left me the jig >> used to create them. If there was enough interest perhaps we could >> make another production run? >> >> I would modify the front to do away with the 90-degree angles in >> exchange for a 45-degree bend, so it would clear the chassis >> stiffening kits that weren?t around back then..... >> >> Mike >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Apr 21, 2019, at 14:16, Vinh Ly wrote: >>> >>> Johnny Woods is no longer making them (pics attached). Anybody have >>> one >> that they want to sell or know how I can get one? >>> Regards, >>> Vinh >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not >>> exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list >>> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >>> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fserver.detomasolist.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fdetomaso&data=02%7C01%7C%7C66138acdfa87437b5c3c08d6c76497e3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636915632186461625&sdata=ci8cIgZbflElFCxh9j5pf9ysSynZ4etd9rDVNpOPlnE%3D&reserved=0 >>> >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, >>> etc.) >> use the links above. >>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >>> any >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >> approve the archiving of list messages. >> >> > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fserver.detomasolist.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fdetomaso&data=02%7C01%7C%7C66138acdfa87437b5c3c08d6c76497e3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636915632186461625&sdata=ci8cIgZbflElFCxh9j5pf9ysSynZ4etd9rDVNpOPlnE%3D&reserved=0 > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- I'd be in for one as well. Mike R. __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Dave Londry Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 1:53:21 PM To: Lynn Wall; 'Mike Drew' Cc: 'Pantera Mail List' Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Johnny Woods Engine Bay Workbench Sign me up for one please Mike. Pulling heads, while kneeling on a fiber pad, is just too hard! Dave On 2019-04-22 1:39 p.m., Lynn Wall wrote: > Hey Mike, > > If it works, I would like one as well. > > Thanks > > Lynn Wall 435-565-0252 > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [[1]mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Chen Su > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 2:21 PM > To: Vinh Ly ; Mike Drew > Cc: Pantera Mail List > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Johnny Woods Engine Bay Workbench > > Hi > > I am interested in one my name is chen I have a 74 pantera > > thanks > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso On Behalf Of Vinh Ly > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 10:49 AM > To: Mike Drew > Cc: Pantera Mail List > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Johnny Woods Engine Bay Workbench > > Mike, > > I think I have the aftermarket fat bar that has the center adjusting nut? > Would it work with that? If so you can put me down for 2 benches. > > Regards, > Vinh > > > On Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 10:28 Mike Drew wrote: > >> Johnny and I made them together at my house, and he left me the jig >> used to create them. If there was enough interest perhaps we could >> make another production run? >> >> I would modify the front to do away with the 90-degree angles in >> exchange for a 45-degree bend, so it would clear the chassis >> stiffening kits that weren't around back then..... >> >> Mike >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Apr 21, 2019, at 14:16, Vinh Ly wrote: >>> >>> Johnny Woods is no longer making them (pics attached). Anybody have >>> one >> that they want to sell or know how I can get one? >>> Regards, >>> Vinh >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not >>> exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list >>> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >>> [2]https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fser ver.detomasolist.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fdetomaso&data=02%7C01%7 C%7C66138acdfa87437b5c3c08d6c76497e3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa %7C1%7C0%7C636915632186461625&sdata=ci8cIgZbflElFCxh9j5pf9ysSynZ4et d9rDVNpOPlnE%3D&reserved=0 >>> >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, >>> etc.) >> use the links above. >>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward >>> any >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >> They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >> approve the archiving of list messages. >> >> > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [3]https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fser ver.detomasolist.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fdetomaso&data=02%7C01%7 C%7C66138acdfa87437b5c3c08d6c76497e3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa %7C1%7C0%7C636915632186461625&sdata=ci8cIgZbflElFCxh9j5pf9ysSynZ4et d9rDVNpOPlnE%3D&reserved=0 > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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References 1. mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com 2. https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fserver.detomasolist.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fdetomaso&data=02%7C01%7C%7C66138acdfa87437b5c3c08d6c76497e3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636915632186461625&sdata=ci8cIgZbflElFCxh9j5pf9ysSynZ4etd9rDVNpOPlnE%3D&reserved=0 3. https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fserver.detomasolist.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fdetomaso&data=02%7C01%7C%7C66138acdfa87437b5c3c08d6c76497e3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636915632186461625&sdata=ci8cIgZbflElFCxh9j5pf9ysSynZ4etd9rDVNpOPlnE%3D&reserved=0 4. https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fserver.detomasolist.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fdetomaso&data=02%7C01%7C%7C66138acdfa87437b5c3c08d6c76497e3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636915632186471630&sdata=cHC%2BMpP%2Bun%2FVlmv8xZlYwuEziGH3GqmIJUn8WCmlz14%3D&reserved=0 5. https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fserver.detomasolist.com%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fdetomaso&data=02%7C01%7C%7C66138acdfa87437b5c3c08d6c76497e3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636915632186471630&sdata=cHC%2BMpP%2Bun%2FVlmv8xZlYwuEziGH3GqmIJUn8WCmlz14%3D&reserved=0 From rob at dumoulins.net Tue Apr 23 08:54:17 2019 From: rob at dumoulins.net (Rob DuMoulin) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 08:54:17 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Johnny Woods Engine Bay Workbench In-Reply-To: References: <8C5BBDBC-DB1C-46DD-81B2-3A6CDCE0340D@aol.com> Message-ID: +1 for me. Rob On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mike Drew via DeTomaso < detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > It was actually designed specifically to work with that bar. We made 40 > of them last time. We would have to have an order at least that size to > make it worthwhile. As it is, we lost money on the project. But it was > fun! > > Mike > Sent from my iPad > On Apr 22, 2019, at 07:49, Vinh Ly <[1]vinh.d.ly at gmail.com> wrote: > > Mike, > I think I have the aftermarket fat bar that has the center adjusting > nut? Would it work with that? If so you can put me down for 2 > benches. > Regards, > Vinh > On Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 10:28 Mike Drew <[2]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote: > > Johnny and I made them together at my house, and he left me the jig > used to create them. If there was enough interest perhaps we could > make another production run? > I would modify the front to do away with the 90-degree angles in > exchange for a 45-degree bend, so it would clear the chassis > stiffening kits that weren't around back then..... > Mike > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 21, 2019, at 14:16, Vinh Ly <[3]vinh.d.ly at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Johnny Woods is no longer making them (pics attached). Anybody > have one that they want to sell or know how I can get one? > > > > Regards, > > Vinh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > > DeTomaso mailing list > > [4]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > > [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) use the links above. > > > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of > the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an > archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > References > > 1. mailto:vinh.d.ly at gmail.com > 2. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com > 3. mailto:vinh.d.ly at gmail.com > 4. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > 5. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- +1 for me. RobA On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: A A It was actually designed specifically to work with that bar. We made 40 A A of them last time. We would have to have an order at least that size to A A make it worthwhile. As it is, we lost money on the project. But it was A A fun! A A Mike A A Sent from my iPad A A On Apr 22, 2019, at 07:49, Vinh Ly <[1][2]vinh.d.ly at gmail.com> wrote: A A Mike, A A I think I have the aftermarket fat bar that has the center adjusting A A nut?A Would it work with that?A If so you can put me down for 2 A A benches. A A Regards, A A Vinh A A On Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 10:28 Mike Drew <[2][3]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote: A A A Johnny and I made them together at my house, and he left me the jig A A A used to create them. If there was enough interest perhaps we could A A A make another production run? A A A I would modify the front to do away with the 90-degree angles in A A A exchange for a 45-degree bend, so it would clear the chassis A A A stiffening kits that weren't around back then..... A A A Mike A A A Sent from my iPad A A A > On Apr 21, 2019, at 14:16, Vinh Ly <[3][4]vinh.d.ly at gmail.com> wrote: A A A > A A A > Johnny Woods is no longer making them (pics attached).A Anybody A A A have one that they want to sell or know how I can get one? A A A > A A A > Regards, A A A > Vinh A A A > A A A > A A A > A A A > A A A > A A A > A A A > _______________________________________________ A A A > A A A > A A A > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA A A A > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes A A A > DeTomaso mailing list A A A > [4][5]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com A A A > [5][6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso A A A > A A A > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, A A A etc.) use the links above. 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References 1. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 2. mailto:vinh.d.ly at gmail.com 3. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 4. mailto:vinh.d.ly at gmail.com 5. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 7. mailto:vinh.d.ly at gmail.com 8. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 9. mailto:vinh.d.ly at gmail.com 10. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 11. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 12. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 13. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From demongusta at gmail.com Tue Apr 23 13:10:11 2019 From: demongusta at gmail.com (Jack Donahue) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 10:10:11 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Deck-lid Striker Plate Message-ID: <4C0B6B51-8289-4664-A07A-14ED01CEE1D9@gmail.com> To All: I installed new deck-lid shocks which apparently are VERY strong as the deck-lid wants to "fly open" and the gap between the body and lid increased a few millimeters - anyway, my striker plate broke and made my outing a "Bat-mobile" drive - embarrassing. Are striker plates an easy-order? Or - do I find a welder and try to salvage what I have? Thank you, Jack #4348 From detomasoregistry at gmail.com Tue Apr 23 13:41:12 2019 From: detomasoregistry at gmail.com (The DeTomaso Registry Guy) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 10:41:12 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Unknown1451 Message-ID: <1441DE77CB8A422991C8BBD06521166E@BOSS3A> Anyone recognize this black 1971 in Washington state ? Chuck The De Tomaso Registry Guy http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp -------------- next part -------------- Anyone recognize this black 1971 in Washington state ? Chuck The De Tomaso Registry Guy [1]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp References 1. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Unknown1451LR1s2019.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 191635 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cengles at cox.net Tue Apr 23 13:53:18 2019 From: cengles at cox.net (Charles Engles) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 12:53:18 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Deck-lid Striker Plate In-Reply-To: <4C0B6B51-8289-4664-A07A-14ED01CEE1D9@gmail.com> References: <4C0B6B51-8289-4664-A07A-14ED01CEE1D9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002101d4f9fd$729b9cf0$57d2d6d0$@cox.net> Dear Jack, That is a common problem. I think that I have had at least two failures. One was easy to remember and embarrassing as the latch failed on Route 66 at speed. I replaced both of them with new from Pantera Performance Center. I did have one of them repaired by a welder so I have a spare. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Jack Donahue Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 12:10 PM To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Deck-lid Striker Plate To All: I installed new deck-lid shocks which apparently are VERY strong as the deck-lid wants to "fly open" and the gap between the body and lid increased a few millimeters - anyway, my striker plate broke and made my outing a "Bat-mobile" drive - embarrassing. Are striker plates an easy-order? Or - do I find a welder and try to salvage what I have? Thank you, Jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From rob at dumoulins.net Tue Apr 23 13:53:45 2019 From: rob at dumoulins.net (Rob DuMoulin) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 13:53:45 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Deck-lid Striker Plate In-Reply-To: <4C0B6B51-8289-4664-A07A-14ED01CEE1D9@gmail.com> References: <4C0B6B51-8289-4664-A07A-14ED01CEE1D9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hall has them for $20. No brainer. What broke? In the middle or around the bolt holes? http://hallpantera.com/cgi-bin/p/awtp-product-category.cgi?d=hallpantera-inc&pc=7359 Rob DuMoulin 904.476.8744 rob at dumoulins.net www.kbsi.co http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 1:10 PM Jack Donahue wrote: > To All: > I installed new deck-lid shocks which apparently are VERY strong as the > deck-lid wants to "fly open" and the gap between the body and lid increased > a few millimeters - anyway, my striker plate broke and made my outing a > "Bat-mobile" drive - embarrassing. > Are striker plates an easy-order? Or - do I find a welder and try to > salvage what I have? > Thank you, > Jack #4348 > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. > -------------- next part -------------- Hall has them for $20.A No brainer.A What broke?A In the middle or around the bolt holes? [1]http://hallpantera.com/cgi-bin/p/awtp-product-category.cgi?d=hallpan tera-inc&pc=7359A Rob DuMoulin 904.476.8744 [2]rob at dumoulins.net [3]www.kbsi.co [4]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 1:10 PM Jack Donahue <[5]demongusta at gmail.com> wrote: To All: I installed new deck-lid shocks which apparently are VERY strong as the deck-lid wants to "fly open" and the gap between the body and lid increased a few millimeters - anyway, my striker plate broke and made my outing a "Bat-mobile" drive - embarrassing. Are striker plates an easy-order? Or - do I find a welder and try to salvage what I have? Thank you, Jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [6]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [7]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. http://hallpantera.com/cgi-bin/p/awtp-product-category.cgi?d=hallpantera-inc&pc=7359 2. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net 3. http://www.kbsi.co/ 4. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 5. mailto:demongusta at gmail.com 6. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 7. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From demongusta at gmail.com Tue Apr 23 13:58:18 2019 From: demongusta at gmail.com (Jack Donahue) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 10:58:18 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Deck-lid Striker Plate In-Reply-To: References: <4C0B6B51-8289-4664-A07A-14ED01CEE1D9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Off center - between latch receiver and bolt - I guess you might call it "the neck" - passenger side. Are the shocks adjustable? They sure seem to be strong. > On Apr 23, 2019, at 10:53 AM, Rob DuMoulin wrote: > > Hall has them for $20. No brainer. What broke? In the middle or around the bolt holes? > > http://hallpantera.com/cgi-bin/p/awtp-product-category.cgi?d=hallpantera-inc&pc=7359 > > > Rob DuMoulin > 904.476.8744 > rob at dumoulins.net > www.kbsi.co > http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 1:10 PM Jack Donahue > wrote: > To All: > I installed new deck-lid shocks which apparently are VERY strong as the deck-lid wants to "fly open" and the gap between the body and lid increased a few millimeters - anyway, my striker plate broke and made my outing a "Bat-mobile" drive - embarrassing. > Are striker plates an easy-order? Or - do I find a welder and try to salvage what I have? > Thank you, > Jack #4348 > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Off center - between latch receiver and bolt - I guess you might call it "the neck" - passenger side. Are the shocks adjustable? They sure seem to be strong. On Apr 23, 2019, at 10:53 AM, Rob DuMoulin <[1]rob at dumoulins.net> wrote: Hall has them for $20. No brainer. What broke? In the middle or around the bolt holes? [2]http://hallpantera.com/cgi-bin/p/awtp-product-category.cgi?d=hallpan tera-inc&pc=7359 Rob DuMoulin 904.476.8744 [3]rob at dumoulins.net [4]www.kbsi.co [5]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 1:10 PM Jack Donahue <[6]demongusta at gmail.com> wrote: To All: I installed new deck-lid shocks which apparently are VERY strong as the deck-lid wants to "fly open" and the gap between the body and lid increased a few millimeters - anyway, my striker plate broke and made my outing a "Bat-mobile" drive - embarrassing. Are striker plates an easy-order? Or - do I find a welder and try to salvage what I have? Thank you, Jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [7]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [8]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net 2. http://hallpantera.com/cgi-bin/p/awtp-product-category.cgi?d=hallpantera-inc&pc=7359 3. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net 4. http://www.kbsi.co/ 5. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 6. mailto:demongusta at gmail.com 7. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 8. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From mghibli7 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 23 14:38:01 2019 From: mghibli7 at hotmail.com (Emiliano Ballejos) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 18:38:01 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Unknown1451 In-Reply-To: <1441DE77CB8A422991C8BBD06521166E@BOSS3A> References: <1441DE77CB8A422991C8BBD06521166E@BOSS3A> Message-ID: That?s Hopkins?s car Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 23, 2019, at 11:41 AM, The DeTomaso Registry Guy wrote: > > > Anyone recognize this black 1971 in Washington state ? > > > Chuck > > > The De Tomaso Registry Guy > > [1]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp > > References > > 1. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From MikeLDrew at aol.com Tue Apr 23 14:38:44 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 14:38:44 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Deck-lid Striker Plate In-Reply-To: <4C0B6B51-8289-4664-A07A-14ED01CEE1D9@gmail.com> References: <4C0B6B51-8289-4664-A07A-14ED01CEE1D9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <02BB0786-3AF6-45D7-AA7F-3BF7AE1CB6CA@aol.com> Jack, First thing?get rid of the stupid shocks that are breaking your car! They are likely bending the decklid. Bad news. New strikers are readily available and not expensive. Cheaper than paying to have yours welded. Mike Sent from my iPad > On Apr 23, 2019, at 13:10, Jack Donahue wrote: > > To All: > I installed new deck-lid shocks which apparently are VERY strong as the deck-lid wants to "fly open" and the gap between the body and lid increased a few millimeters - anyway, my striker plate broke and made my outing a "Bat-mobile" drive - embarrassing. > Are striker plates an easy-order? Or - do I find a welder and try to salvage what I have? > Thank you, > Jack #4348 > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From demongusta at gmail.com Tue Apr 23 14:42:55 2019 From: demongusta at gmail.com (Jack Donahue) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 11:42:55 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Deck-lid Striker Plate In-Reply-To: <02BB0786-3AF6-45D7-AA7F-3BF7AE1CB6CA@aol.com> References: <4C0B6B51-8289-4664-A07A-14ED01CEE1D9@gmail.com> <02BB0786-3AF6-45D7-AA7F-3BF7AE1CB6CA@aol.com> Message-ID: <5FDA5066-1AE0-46EB-9CFA-0979F1C6259E@gmail.com> Mike: What would you use w/o the shocks? I have a couple calls in to vendors to see about new striker plates - going to buy an extra. I?m getting the feeling there are two options for the shocks - with a wing (stronger) and w/o a wing - weaker. jack > On Apr 23, 2019, at 11:38 AM, Mike Drew wrote: > > Jack, > > First thing?get rid of the stupid shocks that are breaking your car! They are likely bending the decklid. Bad news. > > New strikers are readily available and not expensive. Cheaper than paying to have yours welded. > > Mike > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Apr 23, 2019, at 13:10, Jack Donahue wrote: >> >> To All: >> I installed new deck-lid shocks which apparently are VERY strong as the deck-lid wants to "fly open" and the gap between the body and lid increased a few millimeters - anyway, my striker plate broke and made my outing a "Bat-mobile" drive - embarrassing. >> Are striker plates an easy-order? Or - do I find a welder and try to salvage what I have? >> Thank you, >> Jack #4348 >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > From MikeLDrew at aol.com Tue Apr 23 14:47:08 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 14:47:08 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Deck-lid Striker Plate In-Reply-To: <5FDA5066-1AE0-46EB-9CFA-0979F1C6259E@gmail.com> References: <4C0B6B51-8289-4664-A07A-14ED01CEE1D9@gmail.com> <02BB0786-3AF6-45D7-AA7F-3BF7AE1CB6CA@aol.com> <5FDA5066-1AE0-46EB-9CFA-0979F1C6259E@gmail.com> Message-ID: Jack, Many vendor shocks are WAY too stiff. Larry Stock sells appropriate shocks for only $42 each including the necessary adapters. They work perfectly. They won?t last forever, and may need replacing in 8-10 years, but they won?t break your car! Mike Sent from my iPad > On Apr 23, 2019, at 14:42, Jack Donahue wrote: > > Mike: > What would you use w/o the shocks? I have a couple calls in to vendors to see about new striker plates - going to buy an extra. I?m getting the feeling there are two options for the shocks - with a wing (stronger) and w/o a wing - weaker. > jack > >> On Apr 23, 2019, at 11:38 AM, Mike Drew wrote: >> >> Jack, >> >> First thing?get rid of the stupid shocks that are breaking your car! They are likely bending the decklid. Bad news. >> >> New strikers are readily available and not expensive. Cheaper than paying to have yours welded. >> >> Mike >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Apr 23, 2019, at 13:10, Jack Donahue wrote: >>> >>> To All: >>> I installed new deck-lid shocks which apparently are VERY strong as the deck-lid wants to "fly open" and the gap between the body and lid increased a few millimeters - anyway, my striker plate broke and made my outing a "Bat-mobile" drive - embarrassing. >>> Are striker plates an easy-order? Or - do I find a welder and try to salvage what I have? >>> Thank you, >>> Jack #4348 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>> DeTomaso mailing list >>> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >>> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >>> >>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. >> > From demongusta at gmail.com Tue Apr 23 14:55:22 2019 From: demongusta at gmail.com (Jack Donahue) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 11:55:22 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Deck-lid Striker Plate In-Reply-To: References: <4C0B6B51-8289-4664-A07A-14ED01CEE1D9@gmail.com> <02BB0786-3AF6-45D7-AA7F-3BF7AE1CB6CA@aol.com> <5FDA5066-1AE0-46EB-9CFA-0979F1C6259E@gmail.com> Message-ID: Mike: Just got off the phone with them - ordered the shocks and they are checking for the striker plates - thank you for that input. Jack > On Apr 23, 2019, at 11:47 AM, Mike Drew wrote: > > Jack, > > Many vendor shocks are WAY too stiff. Larry Stock sells appropriate shocks for only $42 each including the necessary adapters. They work perfectly. They won?t last forever, and may need replacing in 8-10 years, but they won?t break your car! > > Mike > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Apr 23, 2019, at 14:42, Jack Donahue wrote: >> >> Mike: >> What would you use w/o the shocks? I have a couple calls in to vendors to see about new striker plates - going to buy an extra. I?m getting the feeling there are two options for the shocks - with a wing (stronger) and w/o a wing - weaker. >> jack >> >>> On Apr 23, 2019, at 11:38 AM, Mike Drew wrote: >>> >>> Jack, >>> >>> First thing?get rid of the stupid shocks that are breaking your car! They are likely bending the decklid. Bad news. >>> >>> New strikers are readily available and not expensive. Cheaper than paying to have yours welded. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Apr 23, 2019, at 13:10, Jack Donahue wrote: >>>> >>>> To All: >>>> I installed new deck-lid shocks which apparently are VERY strong as the deck-lid wants to "fly open" and the gap between the body and lid increased a few millimeters - anyway, my striker plate broke and made my outing a "Bat-mobile" drive - embarrassing. >>>> Are striker plates an easy-order? Or - do I find a welder and try to salvage what I have? >>>> Thank you, >>>> Jack #4348 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >>>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>>> DeTomaso mailing list >>>> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >>>> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>>> >>>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >>>> >>>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. >>> >> > From billmoore6480 at gmail.com Tue Apr 23 16:43:28 2019 From: billmoore6480 at gmail.com (billmoore6480) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 14:43:28 -0600 Subject: [DeTomaso] Unknown1451 In-Reply-To: <1441DE77CB8A422991C8BBD06521166E@BOSS3A> Message-ID: <5cbf78f3.1c69fb81.cc327.3da4@mx.google.com> Kerry Hopkins?THPNLS01989Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: The DeTomaso Registry Guy Date: 2019-04-23 11:41 AM (GMT-07:00) To: List DeTomaso Forum Subject: [DeTomaso] Unknown1451 Anyone recognize this black 1971 in Washington state ? Chuck The De Tomaso Registry Guyhttp://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp ?? Anyone recognize this black 1971 in Washington state ??? Chuck?? The De Tomaso Registry Guy?? 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From sjcarguy60 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 23 17:29:36 2019 From: sjcarguy60 at yahoo.com (Dennis Valdez) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 21:29:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Johnny Woods Engine Bay Workbench In-Reply-To: References: <8C5BBDBC-DB1C-46DD-81B2-3A6CDCE0340D@aol.com> Message-ID: <213206553.4705644.1556054976306@mail.yahoo.com> Nice!? Beats the piece of plywood I've been using!??If this becomes a project count me in :)??I can lend a hand in assembly, packing or whatever too. Dennis On Tuesday, April 23, 2019, 8:54:20 AM EDT, Rob DuMoulin wrote: ? +1 for me. ? RobA ? On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 10:57 AM Mike Drew via DeTomaso ? <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: ? ? A? A It was actually designed specifically to work with that bar. We ? ? made 40 ? ? A? A of them last time. We would have to have an order at least that ? ? size to ? ? A? A make it worthwhile. As it is, we lost money on the project. But ? ? it was ? ? A? A fun! ? ? A? A Mike ? ? A? A Sent from my iPad ? ? A? A On Apr 22, 2019, at 07:49, Vinh Ly <[1][2]vinh.d.ly at gmail.com> ? ? wrote: ? ? A? A Mike, ? ? A? A I think I have the aftermarket fat bar that has the center ? ? adjusting ? ? A? A nut?A? Would it work with that?A? If so you can put me down for ? ? 2 ? ? A? A benches. ? ? A? A Regards, ? ? A? A Vinh ? ? A? A On Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 10:28 Mike Drew <[2][3]MikeLDrew at aol.com> ? ? wrote: ? ? A? A? A Johnny and I made them together at my house, and he left me ? ? the jig ? ? A? A? A used to create them. If there was enough interest perhaps we ? ? could ? ? A? A? A make another production run? ? ? A? A? A I would modify the front to do away with the 90-degree ? ? angles in ? ? A? A? A exchange for a 45-degree bend, so it would clear the chassis ? ? A? A? A stiffening kits that weren't around back then..... ? ? A? A? A Mike ? ? A? A? A Sent from my iPad ? ? A? A? A > On Apr 21, 2019, at 14:16, Vinh Ly ? ? <[3][4]vinh.d.ly at gmail.com> wrote: ? ? A? A? A > ? ? A? A? 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Name: Work Platform.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 606996 bytes Desc: not available URL: From oldwheel at shaw.ca Wed Apr 24 00:17:33 2019 From: oldwheel at shaw.ca (B. SEIB) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 23:17:33 -0500 Subject: [DeTomaso] Johnny Woods Engine Bay Workbench Message-ID: <650F2BC9DBDE4EEA93743FD71448A317@T5500> If they are being made, please put me on the list for one Mike. Thanks, Barry > Mike Drew MikeLDrew at aol.com Mon Apr 22 10:57:11 EDT 2019 It was actually designed specifically to work with that bar. We made 40 of them last time. We would have to have an order at least that size to make it worthwhile. As it is, we lost money on the project. But it was fun! Mike Sent from my iPad From rob at dumoulins.net Wed Apr 24 15:31:42 2019 From: rob at dumoulins.net (Rob DuMoulin) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2019 15:31:42 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Deck-lid Striker Plate In-Reply-To: <5FDA5066-1AE0-46EB-9CFA-0979F1C6259E@gmail.com> References: <4C0B6B51-8289-4664-A07A-14ED01CEE1D9@gmail.com> <02BB0786-3AF6-45D7-AA7F-3BF7AE1CB6CA@aol.com> <5FDA5066-1AE0-46EB-9CFA-0979F1C6259E@gmail.com> Message-ID: Jack, I use Dodge Omni struts from O'Reiley Auto Parts. They are special order though and take about a week for me but they are lifetime warranty. I just found that out after buying my 3rd pair, so I know to keep the receipt now. They seem to last about two years in Florida. Rob DuMoulin 904.476.8744 rob at dumoulins.net www.kbsi.co http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 2:43 PM Jack Donahue wrote: > Mike: > What would you use w/o the shocks? I have a couple calls in to vendors to > see about new striker plates - going to buy an extra. I?m getting the > feeling there are two options for the shocks - with a wing (stronger) and > w/o a wing - weaker. > jack > > > On Apr 23, 2019, at 11:38 AM, Mike Drew wrote: > > > > Jack, > > > > First thing?get rid of the stupid shocks that are breaking your car! > They are likely bending the decklid. Bad news. > > > > New strikers are readily available and not expensive. Cheaper than > paying to have yours welded. > > > > Mike > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > >> On Apr 23, 2019, at 13:10, Jack Donahue wrote: > >> > >> To All: > >> I installed new deck-lid shocks which apparently are VERY strong as the > deck-lid wants to "fly open" and the gap between the body and lid increased > a few millimeters - anyway, my striker plate broke and made my outing a > "Bat-mobile" drive - embarrassing. > >> Are striker plates an easy-order? Or - do I find a welder and try to > salvage what I have? > >> Thank you, > >> Jack #4348 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> > >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > >> DeTomaso mailing list > >> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > >> > >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > >> > >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Jack, I use Dodge Omni struts from O'Reiley Auto Parts.A They are special order though and take about a week for me but they are lifetime warranty.A I just found that out after buying my 3rd pair, so I know to keep the receipt now.A They seem to last about two years in Florida. Rob DuMoulin 904.476.8744 [1]rob at dumoulins.net [2]www.kbsi.co [3]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 2:43 PM Jack Donahue <[4]demongusta at gmail.com> wrote: Mike: What would you use w/o the shocks? I have a couple calls in to vendors to see about new striker plates - going to buy an extra. Iam getting the feeling there are two options for the shocks - with a wing (stronger) and w/o a wing - weaker. jack > On Apr 23, 2019, at 11:38 AM, Mike Drew <[5]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote: > > Jack, > > First thingaget rid of the stupid shocks that are breaking your car! They are likely bending the decklid. Bad news. > > New strikers are readily available and not expensive. Cheaper than paying to have yours welded. > > Mike > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Apr 23, 2019, at 13:10, Jack Donahue <[6]demongusta at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> To All: >> I installed new deck-lid shocks which apparently are VERY strong as the deck-lid wants to "fly open" and the gap between the body and lid increased a few millimeters - anyway, my striker plate broke and made my outing a "Bat-mobile" drive - embarrassing. >> Are striker plates an easy-order? 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References 1. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net 2. http://www.kbsi.co/ 3. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 4. mailto:demongusta at gmail.com 5. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 6. mailto:demongusta at gmail.com 7. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 8. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 9. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 10. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From mbefthomas at comcast.net Thu Apr 25 14:28:59 2019 From: mbefthomas at comcast.net (Mike & Elizabeth Thomas) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 11:28:59 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Johnny Woods Engine Bay Workbench In-Reply-To: References: <8C5BBDBC-DB1C-46DD-81B2-3A6CDCE0340D@aol.com> <03cd01d4f94b$89a8c6f0$9cfa54d0$@gmail.com>, Message-ID: <3d4b01d4fb94$c7c44f90$574ceeb0$@comcast.net> I didn't see the original email but remember the workbench. Please put me down for one also. Mike Thomas -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso On Behalf Of Mike Reilly Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 6:56 PM To: Dave Londry ; Lynn Wall ; 'Mike Drew' Cc: 'Pantera Mail List' Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Johnny Woods Engine Bay Workbench I'd be in for one as well. Mike R. ________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Dave Londry Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 1:53:21 PM To: Lynn Wall; 'Mike Drew' Cc: 'Pantera Mail List' Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Johnny Woods Engine Bay Workbench Sign me up for one please Mike. Pulling heads, while kneeling on a fiber pad, is just too hard! Dave On 2019-04-22 1:39 p.m., Lynn Wall wrote: > Hey Mike, > > If it works, I would like one as well. > > Thanks > > Lynn Wall 435-565-0252 > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com] On > Behalf Of Chen Su > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 2:21 PM > To: Vinh Ly ; Mike Drew > Cc: Pantera Mail List > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Johnny Woods Engine Bay Workbench > > Hi > > I am interested in one my name is chen I have a 74 pantera > > thanks > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso On Behalf Of > Vinh Ly > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2019 10:49 AM > To: Mike Drew > Cc: Pantera Mail List > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Johnny Woods Engine Bay Workbench > > Mike, > > I think I have the aftermarket fat bar that has the center adjusting nut? > Would it work with that? If so you can put me down for 2 benches. > > Regards, > Vinh > > > On Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 10:28 Mike Drew wrote: > >> Johnny and I made them together at my house, and he left me the jig >> used to create them. If there was enough interest perhaps we could >> make another production run? >> >> I would modify the front to do away with the 90-degree angles in >> exchange for a 45-degree bend, so it would clear the chassis >> stiffening kits that weren't around back then..... >> >> Mike >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Apr 21, 2019, at 14:16, Vinh Ly wrote: >>> >>> Johnny Woods is no longer making them (pics attached). 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From davel at trguys.com Fri Apr 26 14:42:47 2019 From: davel at trguys.com (Dave Londry) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 11:42:47 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Deck-lid Striker Plate In-Reply-To: References: <4C0B6B51-8289-4664-A07A-14ED01CEE1D9@gmail.com> <02BB0786-3AF6-45D7-AA7F-3BF7AE1CB6CA@aol.com> <5FDA5066-1AE0-46EB-9CFA-0979F1C6259E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9702a5b7-1da1-94be-c7f4-3850630239b1@trguys.com> I do the Omni too and I also didn't know about the warranty. I'm at 9 years in the NorthWest with no change, so I guess they do bake out. Dave On 2019-04-24 12:31 p.m., Rob DuMoulin wrote: > Jack, I use Dodge Omni struts from O'Reiley Auto Parts.A They are > special order though and take about a week for me but they are lifetime > warranty.A I just found that out after buying my 3rd pair, so I know > to keep the receipt now.A They seem to last about two years in > Florida. > Rob DuMoulin > 904.476.8744 > [1]rob at dumoulins.net > [2]www.kbsi.co > [3]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 2:43 PM Jack Donahue <[4]demongusta at gmail.com> > wrote: > > Mike: > What would you use w/o the shocks? I have a couple calls in to > vendors to see about new striker plates - going to buy an extra. Iam > getting the feeling there are two options for the shocks - with a > wing (stronger) and w/o a wing - weaker. > jack > > On Apr 23, 2019, at 11:38 AM, Mike Drew <[5]MikeLDrew at aol.com> > wrote: > > > > Jack, > > > > First thingaget rid of the stupid shocks that are breaking your > car! They are likely bending the decklid. Bad news. > > > > New strikers are readily available and not expensive. Cheaper than > paying to have yours welded. > > > > Mike > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > >> On Apr 23, 2019, at 13:10, Jack Donahue <[6]demongusta at gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >> To All: > >> I installed new deck-lid shocks which apparently are VERY strong > as the deck-lid wants to "fly open" and the gap between the body and > lid increased a few millimeters - anyway, my striker plate broke and > made my outing a "Bat-mobile" drive - embarrassing. > >> Are striker plates an easy-order? Or - do I find a welder and try > to salvage what I have? > >> Thank you, > >> Jack #4348 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> > >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > >> DeTomaso mailing list > >> [7]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > >> [8]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > >> > >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) use the links above. > >> > >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to > forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future > members of the list. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -- Dave Londry TRGuys.com davel at trguys.com Cell 604-721-2278 Landline 604-589-9182 Skype embeddedspaces -------------- next part -------------- I do the Omni too and I also didn't know about the warranty. I'm at 9 years in the NorthWest with no change, so I guess they do bake out. Dave On 2019-04-24 12:31 p.m., Rob DuMoulin wrote: Jack, I use Dodge Omni struts from O'Reiley Auto Parts.A They are special order though and take about a week for me but they are lifetime warranty.A I just found that out after buying my 3rd pair, so I know to keep the receipt now.A They seem to last about two years in Florida. Rob DuMoulin 904.476.8744 [[1]1]rob at dumoulins.net [2]www.kbsi.co [3][2]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 2:43 PM Jack Donahue [3]<[4]demongusta at gmail.com> wrote: Mike: What would you use w/o the shocks? I have a couple calls in to vendors to see about new striker plates - going to buy an extra. Iam getting the feeling there are two options for the shocks - with a wing (stronger) and w/o a wing - weaker. jack > On Apr 23, 2019, at 11:38 AM, Mike Drew [4]<[5]MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote: > > Jack, > > First thingaget rid of the stupid shocks that are breaking your car! They are likely bending the decklid. Bad news. > > New strikers are readily available and not expensive. Cheaper than paying to have yours welded. > > Mike > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Apr 23, 2019, at 13:10, Jack Donahue [5]<[6]demongusta at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> To All: >> I installed new deck-lid shocks which apparently are VERY strong as the deck-lid wants to "fly open" and the gap between the body and lid increased a few millimeters - anyway, my striker plate broke and made my outing a "Bat-mobile" drive - embarrassing. >> Are striker plates an easy-order? Or - do I find a welder and try to salvage what I have? >> Thank you, >> Jack #4348 >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> [[6]7]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >> [8][7]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [[8]9]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [10][9]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. [10]mailto:rob at dumoulins.net 2. [11]http://www.kbsi.co/ 3. [12]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 4. [13]mailto:demongusta at gmail.com 5. [14]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 6. [15]mailto:demongusta at gmail.com 7. [16]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 8. [17]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 9. [18]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 10. [19]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [20]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [21]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the li nks above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message p osted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of lis t messages. -- Dave Londry TRGuys.com [22]davel at trguys.com Cell 604-721-2278 Landline 604-589-9182 Skype embeddedspaces References 1. mailto:1]rob at dumoulins.net 2. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 3. mailto:[4]demongusta at gmail.com 4. mailto:[5]MikeLDrew at aol.com 5. mailto:[6]demongusta at gmail.com 6. mailto:7]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 7. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 8. mailto:9]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 9. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 10. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net 11. http://www.kbsi.co/ 12. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 13. mailto:demongusta at gmail.com 14. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 15. mailto:demongusta at gmail.com 16. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 17. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 18. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 19. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 20. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 21. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 22. mailto:davel at trguys.com From demongusta at gmail.com Fri Apr 26 16:19:22 2019 From: demongusta at gmail.com (Jack Donahue) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 13:19:22 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Deck-lid Striker Plate In-Reply-To: <9702a5b7-1da1-94be-c7f4-3850630239b1@trguys.com> References: <4C0B6B51-8289-4664-A07A-14ED01CEE1D9@gmail.com> <02BB0786-3AF6-45D7-AA7F-3BF7AE1CB6CA@aol.com> <5FDA5066-1AE0-46EB-9CFA-0979F1C6259E@gmail.com> <9702a5b7-1da1-94be-c7f4-3850630239b1@trguys.com> Message-ID: All: Thanks for the tip on the Dodge Omni shocks. I bought Larry Stock?s shocks @ $42 ea. before the Omni thing came up. All good. NEXT QUESTION: I?ve never changed them myself before and the ones I have are NO DOUBT made for a winged deck lid. The car is sitting in the garage (on the hoist ) with it?s mouth open, are there any little tips anyone has on changing them? Like "one at a time". or "do the top hinge first - or the bottom?",or "simultaneously with broom stick holding up deck lid"?etc.. There always seems to be a proper sequence I learn AFTER doing things. Like changing A-arm bushings, etc. All help appreciated - and thanks to Mike for "making me" take off the shocks and turning me on to Larry Stock?s stuff. Jack > On Apr 26, 2019, at 11:42 AM, Dave Londry wrote: > > I do the Omni too and I also didn't know about the warranty. > I'm at 9 years in the NorthWest with no change, so I guess they do bake > out. > Dave > > On 2019-04-24 12:31 p.m., Rob DuMoulin wrote: > > Jack, I use Dodge Omni struts from O'Reiley Auto Parts.A They are > special order though and take about a week for me but they are lifetime > warranty.A I just found that out after buying my 3rd pair, so I know > to keep the receipt now.A They seem to last about two years in > Florida. > Rob DuMoulin > 904.476.8744 > [[1]1]rob at dumoulins.net > [2]www.kbsi.co > [3][2]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 2:43 PM Jack Donahue [3]<[4]demongusta at gmail.com> > wrote: > > Mike: > What would you use w/o the shocks? I have a couple calls in to > vendors to see about new striker plates - going to buy an extra. Iam > getting the feeling there are two options for the shocks - with a > wing (stronger) and w/o a wing - weaker. > jack >> On Apr 23, 2019, at 11:38 AM, Mike Drew [4]<[5]MikeLDrew at aol.com> > wrote: >> >> Jack, >> >> First thingaget rid of the stupid shocks that are breaking your > car! They are likely bending the decklid. Bad news. >> >> New strikers are readily available and not expensive. Cheaper than > paying to have yours welded. >> >> Mike >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Apr 23, 2019, at 13:10, Jack Donahue [5]<[6]demongusta at gmail.com> > wrote: >>> >>> To All: >>> I installed new deck-lid shocks which apparently are VERY strong > as the deck-lid wants to "fly open" and the gap between the body and > lid increased a few millimeters - anyway, my striker plate broke and > made my outing a "Bat-mobile" drive - embarrassing. >>> Are striker plates an easy-order? Or - do I find a welder and try > to salvage what I have? >>> Thank you, >>> Jack #4348 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>> DeTomaso mailing list >>> [[6]7]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >>> [8][7]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) use the links above. >>> >>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to > forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future > members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to > maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. >> > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [[8]9]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [10][9]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) use the links above. > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of > the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an > archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > > References > > 1. [10]mailto:rob at dumoulins.net > 2. [11]http://www.kbsi.co/ > 3. [12]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 > 4. [13]mailto:demongusta at gmail.com > 5. [14]mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com > 6. [15]mailto:demongusta at gmail.com > 7. [16]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > 8. [17]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > 9. [18]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > 10. [19]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [20]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [21]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the li > nks above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message p > osted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From MikeLDrew at aol.com Fri Apr 26 16:28:20 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 13:28:20 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Deck-lid Striker Plate In-Reply-To: References: <4C0B6B51-8289-4664-A07A-14ED01CEE1D9@gmail.com> <02BB0786-3AF6-45D7-AA7F-3BF7AE1CB6CA@aol.com> <5FDA5066-1AE0-46EB-9CFA-0979F1C6259E@gmail.com> <9702a5b7-1da1-94be-c7f4-3850630239b1@trguys.com> Message-ID: Jack, A broomstick in the middle is a good idea as a backup. Remove one top bolt first, wiggle the top of the shock out to the rear, rest the decklid on the broomstick aided by the other shock. Remove the bottom bolt and remove the shock. Install the new one at the bottom first, raise it into position, raise or lower the decklid slightly to line up the top bolt and tighten them down. Then repeat on the other side. Cheers! Mike Sent from my iPad > On Apr 26, 2019, at 13:19, Jack Donahue wrote: > > All: > Thanks for the tip on the Dodge Omni shocks. I bought Larry Stock?s shocks @ $42 ea. before the Omni thing came up. All good. > > NEXT QUESTION: I?ve never changed them myself before and the ones I have are NO DOUBT made for a winged deck lid. The car is sitting in the garage (on the hoist ) with it?s mouth open, are there any little tips anyone has on changing them? Like "one at a time". or "do the top hinge first - or the bottom?",or "simultaneously with broom stick holding up deck lid"?etc.. There always seems to be a proper sequence I learn AFTER doing things. Like changing A-arm bushings, etc. > All help appreciated - and thanks to Mike for "making me" take off the shocks and turning me on to Larry Stock?s stuff. > Jack > > >> On Apr 26, 2019, at 11:42 AM, Dave Londry wrote: >> >> I do the Omni too and I also didn't know about the warranty. >> I'm at 9 years in the NorthWest with no change, so I guess they do bake >> out. >> Dave >> >> On 2019-04-24 12:31 p.m., Rob DuMoulin wrote: >> >> Jack, I use Dodge Omni struts from O'Reiley Auto Parts.A They are >> special order though and take about a week for me but they are lifetime >> warranty.A I just found that out after buying my 3rd pair, so I know >> to keep the receipt now.A They seem to last about two years in >> Florida. >> Rob DuMoulin >> 904.476.8744 >> [[1]1]rob at dumoulins.net >> [2]www.kbsi.co >> [3][2]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 >> >> On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 2:43 PM Jack Donahue [3]<[4]demongusta at gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Mike: >> What would you use w/o the shocks? I have a couple calls in to >> vendors to see about new striker plates - going to buy an extra. Iam >> getting the feeling there are two options for the shocks - with a >> wing (stronger) and w/o a wing - weaker. >> jack >>> On Apr 23, 2019, at 11:38 AM, Mike Drew [4]<[5]MikeLDrew at aol.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Jack, >>> >>> First thingaget rid of the stupid shocks that are breaking your >> car! They are likely bending the decklid. Bad news. >>> >>> New strikers are readily available and not expensive. Cheaper than >> paying to have yours welded. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Apr 23, 2019, at 13:10, Jack Donahue [5]<[6]demongusta at gmail.com> >> wrote: >>>> >>>> To All: >>>> I installed new deck-lid shocks which apparently are VERY strong >> as the deck-lid wants to "fly open" and the gap between the body and >> lid increased a few millimeters - anyway, my striker plate broke and >> made my outing a "Bat-mobile" drive - embarrassing. >>>> Are striker plates an easy-order? Or - do I find a welder and try >> to salvage what I have? >>>> Thank you, >>>> Jack #4348 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >>>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>>> DeTomaso mailing list >>>> [[6]7]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >>>> [8][7]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>>> >>>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, >> etc.) use the links above. >>>> >>>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to >> forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future >> members of the list. 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From larrys at panteraparts.com Fri Apr 26 17:08:22 2019 From: larrys at panteraparts.com (Larry Stock) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 14:08:22 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Deck-lid Striker Plate In-Reply-To: References: <4C0B6B51-8289-4664-A07A-14ED01CEE1D9@gmail.com> <02BB0786-3AF6-45D7-AA7F-3BF7AE1CB6CA@aol.com> <5FDA5066-1AE0-46EB-9CFA-0979F1C6259E@gmail.com> <9702a5b7-1da1-94be-c7f4-3850630239b1@trguys.com> Message-ID: The proper 90 to 100 pound shock is the least expensive part of our package, manufacturing the proper sizes mounting heads to fit correctly in the 16 mm wide mounts with either a 6 mm or the early 10 mm bolt is the more difficult item to produce. What is the pressure rating on the Omni Shock? How many washer shims, and tubular spacers do you need to micky mouse the head mount fit? If the pressure gets over 120 pounds, then you are risking warping the deck lid outside of the hinges. No Bueno! My 2 cents Larry @ Pantera Parts ?On 4/26/19, 1:19 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack Donahue" wrote: All: Thanks for the tip on the Dodge Omni shocks. I bought Larry Stock?s shocks @ $42 ea. before the Omni thing came up. All good. NEXT QUESTION: I?ve never changed them myself before and the ones I have are NO DOUBT made for a winged deck lid. The car is sitting in the garage (on the hoist ) with it?s mouth open, are there any little tips anyone has on changing them? Like "one at a time". or "do the top hinge first - or the bottom?",or "simultaneously with broom stick holding up deck lid"?etc.. There always seems to be a proper sequence I learn AFTER doing things. Like changing A-arm bushings, etc. All help appreciated - and thanks to Mike for "making me" take off the shocks and turning me on to Larry Stock?s stuff. Jack > On Apr 26, 2019, at 11:42 AM, Dave Londry wrote: > > I do the Omni too and I also didn't know about the warranty. > I'm at 9 years in the NorthWest with no change, so I guess they do bake > out. > Dave > > On 2019-04-24 12:31 p.m., Rob DuMoulin wrote: > > Jack, I use Dodge Omni struts from O'Reiley Auto Parts.A They are > special order though and take about a week for me but they are lifetime > warranty.A I just found that out after buying my 3rd pair, so I know > to keep the receipt now.A They seem to last about two years in > Florida. > Rob DuMoulin > 904.476.8744 > [[1]1]rob at dumoulins.net > [2]www.kbsi.co > [3][2]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 2:43 PM Jack Donahue [3]<[4]demongusta at gmail.com> > wrote: > > Mike: > What would you use w/o the shocks? I have a couple calls in to > vendors to see about new striker plates - going to buy an extra. Iam > getting the feeling there are two options for the shocks - with a > wing (stronger) and w/o a wing - weaker. > jack >> On Apr 23, 2019, at 11:38 AM, Mike Drew [4]<[5]MikeLDrew at aol.com> > wrote: >> >> Jack, >> >> First thingaget rid of the stupid shocks that are breaking your > car! They are likely bending the decklid. Bad news. >> >> New strikers are readily available and not expensive. Cheaper than > paying to have yours welded. >> >> Mike >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Apr 23, 2019, at 13:10, Jack Donahue [5]<[6]demongusta at gmail.com> > wrote: >>> >>> To All: >>> I installed new deck-lid shocks which apparently are VERY strong > as the deck-lid wants to "fly open" and the gap between the body and > lid increased a few millimeters - anyway, my striker plate broke and > made my outing a "Bat-mobile" drive - embarrassing. >>> Are striker plates an easy-order? Or - do I find a welder and try > to salvage what I have? >>> Thank you, >>> Jack #4348 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>> DeTomaso mailing list >>> [[6]7]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >>> [8][7]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > etc.) use the links above. >>> >>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to > forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future > members of the list. 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[15]mailto:demongusta at gmail.com > 7. [16]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > 8. [17]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > 9. [18]mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > 10. [19]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [20]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [21]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the li > nks above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message p > osted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant > the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of lis > t messages. > > -- > Dave Londry > TRGuys.com > > [22]davel at trguys.com > Cell 604-721-2278 > Landline 604-589-9182 > Skype embeddedspaces > > References > > 1. mailto:1]rob at dumoulins.net > 2. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 > 3. mailto:[4]demongusta at gmail.com > 4. mailto:[5]MikeLDrew at aol.com > 5. mailto:[6]demongusta at gmail.com > 6. mailto:7]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > 7. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > 8. mailto:9]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > 9. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > 10. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net > 11. http://www.kbsi.co/ > 12. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 > 13. mailto:demongusta at gmail.com > 14. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com > 15. mailto:demongusta at gmail.com > 16. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > 17. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > 18. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > 19. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > 20. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > 21. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > 22. mailto:davel at trguys.com > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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From rob at dumoulins.net Fri Apr 26 18:29:18 2019 From: rob at dumoulins.net (Rob DuMoulin) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 18:29:18 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Deck-lid Striker Plate In-Reply-To: References: <4C0B6B51-8289-4664-A07A-14ED01CEE1D9@gmail.com> <02BB0786-3AF6-45D7-AA7F-3BF7AE1CB6CA@aol.com> <5FDA5066-1AE0-46EB-9CFA-0979F1C6259E@gmail.com> <9702a5b7-1da1-94be-c7f4-3850630239b1@trguys.com> Message-ID: Larry, I respect your opinion, but frankly am appalled by your response. No Mickey Mouse required. The Omni struts were an easy install. No Disney characters required. Disclaimer though. Pop the trunk and the lid stays down. Lift the trunk and it stays in place. No worries about warping the lid or it springing up if the latch fails. The biggest issue I had with them is they failed after a few years, but now that I know they have a lifetime O'Reilly warranty, I won't pay for another. On Fri, Apr 26, 2019, 5:08 PM Larry Stock wrote: > The proper 90 to 100 pound shock is the least expensive part of our > package, manufacturing the proper sizes mounting heads to fit correctly in > the 16 mm wide mounts with either a 6 mm or the early 10 mm bolt is the > more difficult item to produce. What is the pressure rating on the Omni > Shock? How many washer shims, and tubular spacers do you need to micky > mouse the head mount fit? If the pressure gets over 120 pounds, then you > are risking warping the deck lid outside of the hinges. No Bueno! My 2 cents > Larry @ Pantera Parts > > ?On 4/26/19, 1:19 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack Donahue" < > detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of demongusta at gmail.com> > wrote: > > All: > Thanks for the tip on the Dodge Omni shocks. I bought Larry Stock?s > shocks @ $42 ea. before the Omni thing came up. All good. > > NEXT QUESTION: I?ve never changed them myself before and the ones I > have are NO DOUBT made for a winged deck lid. The car is sitting in the > garage (on the hoist ) with it?s mouth open, are there any little tips > anyone has on changing them? Like "one at a time". or "do the top hinge > first - or the bottom?",or "simultaneously with broom stick holding up > deck lid"?etc.. There always seems to be a proper sequence I learn AFTER > doing things. Like changing A-arm bushings, etc. > All help appreciated - and thanks to Mike for "making me" take off the > shocks and turning me on to Larry Stock?s stuff. > Jack > > > > On Apr 26, 2019, at 11:42 AM, Dave Londry wrote: > > > > I do the Omni too and I also didn't know about the warranty. > > I'm at 9 years in the NorthWest with no change, so I guess they do > bake > > out. > > Dave > > > > On 2019-04-24 12:31 p.m., Rob DuMoulin wrote: > > > > Jack, I use Dodge Omni struts from O'Reiley Auto Parts.A They are > > special order though and take about a week for me but they are > lifetime > > warranty.A I just found that out after buying my 3rd pair, so I > know > > to keep the receipt now.A They seem to last about two years in > > Florida. > > Rob DuMoulin > > 904.476.8744 > > [[1]1]rob at dumoulins.net > > [2]www.kbsi.co > > [3][2]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 > > > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 2:43 PM Jack Donahue [3]<[4] > demongusta at gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > Mike: > > What would you use w/o the shocks? I have a couple calls in to > > vendors to see about new striker plates - going to buy an extra. > Iam > > getting the feeling there are two options for the shocks - with a > > wing (stronger) and w/o a wing - weaker. > > jack > >> On Apr 23, 2019, at 11:38 AM, Mike Drew [4]<[5]MikeLDrew at aol.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> Jack, > >> > >> First thingaget rid of the stupid shocks that are breaking your > > car! They are likely bending the decklid. Bad news. > >> > >> New strikers are readily available and not expensive. Cheaper than > > paying to have yours welded. > >> > >> Mike > >> > >> Sent from my iPad > >> > >>> On Apr 23, 2019, at 13:10, Jack Donahue [5]<[6] > demongusta at gmail.com> > > wrote: > >>> > >>> To All: > >>> I installed new deck-lid shocks which apparently are VERY strong > > as the deck-lid wants to "fly open" and the gap between the body > and > > lid increased a few millimeters - anyway, my striker plate broke > and > > made my outing a "Bat-mobile" drive - embarrassing. > >>> Are striker plates an easy-order? Or - do I find a welder and try > > to salvage what I have? > >>> Thank you, > >>> Jack #4348 > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> > >>> > >>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > >>> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > >>> DeTomaso mailing list > >>> [[6]7]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > >>> [8][7]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > >>> > >>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, > > etc.) use the links above. > >>> > >>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to > > forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future > > members of the list. 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No Mickey Mouse required. The Omni struts were an easy install. No Disney characters required. Disclaimer though. Pop the trunk and the lid stays down. Lift the trunk and it stays in place. No worries about warping the lid or it springing up if the latch fails. The biggest issue I had with them is they failed after a few years, but now that I know they have a lifetime O'Reilly warranty, I won't pay for another. On Fri, Apr 26, 2019, 5:08 PM Larry Stock <[1]larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote: The proper 90 to 100 pound shock is the least expensive part of our package, manufacturing the proper sizes mounting heads to fit correctly in the 16 mm wide mounts with either a 6 mm or the early 10 mm bolt is the more difficult item to produce. What is the pressure rating on the Omni Shock? How many washer shims, and tubular spacers do you need to micky mouse the head mount fit?A If the pressure gets over 120 pounds, then you are risking warping the deck lid outside of the hinges. No Bueno! My 2 cents Larry @ Pantera Parts i>>?On 4/26/19, 1:19 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack Donahue" <[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of [3]demongusta at gmail.com> wrote: A A All: A A Thanks for the tip on the Dodge Omni shocks. I bought Larry Stockas shocks @ $42 ea. before the Omni thing came up. All good. A A NEXT QUESTION:A Iave never changed them myself before and the ones I have are NO DOUBT made for a winged deck lid. The car is sitting in the garage (on the hoist ) with itas mouth open, are there any little tips anyone has on changing them? Like "one at a time". or "do the top hinge first - or the bottom?",orA "simultaneously with broom stick holding up deck lid"?etc.. There always seems to be a proper sequence I learn AFTER doing things. Like changing A-arm bushings, etc. A A All help appreciated - and thanks to Mike for "making me" take off the shocks and turning me on to Larry Stockas stuff. A A Jack A A > On Apr 26, 2019, at 11:42 AM, Dave Londry <[4]davel at trguys.com> wrote: A A > A A >A A I do the Omni too and I also didn't know about the warranty. A A >A A I'm at 9 years in the NorthWest with no change, so I guess they do bake A A >A A out. A A >A A Dave A A > A A >A A On 2019-04-24 12:31 p.m., Rob DuMoulin wrote: A A > A A >A A Jack, I use Dodge Omni struts from O'Reiley Auto Parts.AA They are A A >A A special order though and take about a week for me but they are lifetime A A >A A warranty.AA I just found that out after buying my 3rd pair, so I know A A >A A to keep the receipt now.AA They seem to last about two years in A A >A A Florida. A A >A A Rob DuMoulin A A >A A 904.476.8744 A A >A A [[1]1][5]rob at dumoulins.net A A >A A [2][6]www.kbsi.co A A >A A [3][2][7]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 A A > A A >A A On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 2:43 PM Jack Donahue [3]<[4][8]demongusta at gmail.com> A A >A A wrote: A A > A A >A A A Mike: A A >A A A What would you use w/o the shocks? I have a couple calls in to A A >A A A vendors to see about new striker plates - going to buy an extra. Iam A A >A A A getting the feeling there are two options for the shocks - with a A A >A A A wing (stronger) and w/o a wing - weaker. A A >A A A jack A A >> On Apr 23, 2019, at 11:38 AM, Mike Drew [4]<[5][9]MikeLDrew at aol.com> A A >A A A wrote: A A >> A A >> Jack, A A >> A A >> First thingaget rid of the stupid shocks that are breaking your A A >A A A car! They are likely bending the decklid. Bad news. A A >> A A >> New strikers are readily available and not expensive. Cheaper than A A >A A A paying to have yours welded. A A >> A A >> Mike A A >> A A >> Sent from my iPad A A >> A A >>> On Apr 23, 2019, at 13:10, Jack Donahue [5]<[6][10]demongusta at gmail.com> A A >A A A wrote: A A >>> A A >>> To All: A A >>> I installed new deck-lid shocks which apparently are VERY strong A A >A A A as the deck-lid wants to "fly open" and the gap between the body and A A >A A A lid increased a few millimeters - anyway, my striker plate broke and A A >A A A made my outing a "Bat-mobile" drive - embarrassing. A A >>> Are striker plates an easy-order? Or - do I find a welder and try A A >A A A to salvage what I have? 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Forest -------------- next part -------------- Does anyone know offhand the extended length of stock front shocks? Forest From fresnofinches at aol.com Fri Apr 26 21:28:41 2019 From: fresnofinches at aol.com (Larry Finch) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 18:28:41 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Borrow enclosed trailer?? Message-ID: <8D892D9A-7AB6-4266-9569-27903BEE9967@aol.com> All, -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image1.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 148376 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- The light at the end of the tunnel appears to be getting a bit brighter. One option of getting 2511 back home from 700 miles away is for me to do it myself. I would not attempt to do that in anything but an enclosed trailer and renting one here in Fresno is apparently not going to happen. Is there anybody on the list, ideally not too far south or north of Fresno, willing and able to loan me a suitable trailer? All offers and leads appreciated. Please contact me off list. Yes, I do have other options but right now this is the one I am pursuing. Larry This photo is rotated to better view the reflection seen in the roof and rear deck -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image1.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 116488 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. From MikeLDrew at aol.com Fri Apr 26 21:57:02 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 18:57:02 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Front shock length In-Reply-To: <1804113835.1272974.1556322149130@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1804113835.1272974.1556322149130.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1804113835.1272974.1556322149130@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2C095B20-CE26-48FA-88AC-6DF3784C39C7@aol.com> Forest, I just measured. The total height (not center-to-center, but rather top to bottom of the outside of the shock eyes) is almost exactly 17 1/2 inches. Mike Sent from my iPad > On Apr 26, 2019, at 16:42, Forest Goodhart wrote: > > Does anyone know offhand the extended length of stock front shocks? > Forest > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From scott at saccrestorations.net Fri Apr 26 22:29:15 2019 From: scott at saccrestorations.net (scott at saccrestorations.net) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 19:29:15 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Front shock length In-Reply-To: <1804113835.1272974.1556322149130@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1804113835.1272974.1556322149130.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1804113835.1272974.1556322149130@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006d01d4fca1$0319e570$094db050$@saccrestorations.net> Hi Forest, Overall length - 17 5/8" Eyelet Center to Center - 16 3/16" If you are putting any modern shock on the car it is a wise idea to run a shock about an inch shorter (15 3/16") if you want the shock to be running in the correct spot at ride height. Scott -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso On Behalf Of Forest Goodhart Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 4:42 PM To: List DeTomaso Forum Subject: [DeTomaso] Front shock length Does anyone know offhand the extended length of stock front shocks? Forest From asajay at asajay.com Fri Apr 26 22:44:37 2019 From: asajay at asajay.com (Asa Jay Laughton) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 19:44:37 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Borrow enclosed trailer?? In-Reply-To: <8D892D9A-7AB6-4266-9569-27903BEE9967@aol.com> References: <8D892D9A-7AB6-4266-9569-27903BEE9967@aol.com> Message-ID: <253c5a3e-2a62-9bfe-0692-0461c61398d4@asajay.com> That, is beautiful. I'd say Drive It, but it's a little short on all the necessary accessories.? ;) Asa? Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired Spokane County ARES-RACES EC/RO ****************************** http://w7tsc.org http://www.teampanteraracing.com On 4/26/2019 18:28, Larry Finch via DeTomaso wrote: > All, > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > The light at the end of the tunnel appears to be getting a bit brighter. > One option of getting 2511 back home from 700 miles away is for me to do it myself. I would not attempt to do that in anything but an enclosed trailer and renting one here in Fresno is apparently not going to happen. > > Is there anybody on the list, ideally not too far south or north of Fresno, willing and able to loan me a suitable trailer? > > All offers and leads appreciated. Please contact me off list. > > Yes, I do have other options but right now this is the one I am pursuing. > > Larry From charlesmccall at gmail.com Fri Apr 26 23:44:15 2019 From: charlesmccall at gmail.com (Charles McCall) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2019 09:14:15 +0530 Subject: [DeTomaso] FW: Deck-lid Striker Plate In-Reply-To: <00d601d4fcab$6a0ef7c0$3e2ce740$@gmail.com> References: <4C0B6B51-8289-4664-A07A-14ED01CEE1D9@gmail.com> <02BB0786-3AF6-45D7-AA7F-3BF7AE1CB6CA@aol.com> <5FDA5066-1AE0-46EB-9CFA-0979F1C6259E@gmail.com> <9702a5b7-1da1-94be-c7f4-3850630239b1@trguys.com> <00d601d4fcab$6a0ef7c0$3e2ce740$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00d701d4fcab$80334d80$8099e880$@gmail.com> Jack - Mike said it implicitly, but I'll say it explicitly. The decklid, with no shocks, is REALLY heavy. So be prepared for it - broomstick or likewise. You won't be able to just hold it in place with a pinky finger when you disconnect the shocks. Classification: Restricted Classification: Restricted -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso On Behalf Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2019 01:58 To: Jack Donahue Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Deck-lid Striker Plate Jack, A broomstick in the middle is a good idea as a backup. Remove one top bolt first, wiggle the top of the shock out to the rear, rest the decklid on the broomstick aided by the other shock. Remove the bottom bolt and remove the shock. Install the new one at the bottom first, raise it into position, raise or lower the decklid slightly to line up the top bolt and tighten them down. Then repeat on the other side. Cheers! Mike Sent from my iPad > On Apr 26, 2019, at 13:19, Jack Donahue wrote: > > All: > Thanks for the tip on the Dodge Omni shocks. I bought Larry Stock?s shocks @ $42 ea. before the Omni thing came up. All good. > > NEXT QUESTION: I?ve never changed them myself before and the ones I have are NO DOUBT made for a winged deck lid. The car is sitting in the garage (on the hoist ) with it?s mouth open, are there any little tips anyone has on changing them? Like "one at a time". or "do the top hinge first - or the bottom?",or "simultaneously with broom stick holding up deck lid"?etc.. There always seems to be a proper sequence I learn AFTER doing things. Like changing A-arm bushings, etc. > All help appreciated - and thanks to Mike for "making me" take off the shocks and turning me on to Larry Stock?s stuff. > Jack > > >> On Apr 26, 2019, at 11:42 AM, Dave Londry wrote: >> >> I do the Omni too and I also didn't know about the warranty. >> I'm at 9 years in the NorthWest with no change, so I guess they do >> bake out. >> Dave >> >> On 2019-04-24 12:31 p.m., Rob DuMoulin wrote: >> >> Jack, I use Dodge Omni struts from O'Reiley Auto Parts.A They are >> special order though and take about a week for me but they are >> lifetime warranty.A I just found that out after buying my 3rd pair, >> so I know to keep the receipt now.A They seem to last about two >> years in Florida. >> Rob DuMoulin >> 904.476.8744 >> [[1]1]rob at dumoulins.net >> [2]www.kbsi.co >> [3][2]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 >> >> On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 2:43 PM Jack Donahue >> [3]<[4]demongusta at gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Mike: >> What would you use w/o the shocks? I have a couple calls in to >> vendors to see about new striker plates - going to buy an extra. Iam >> getting the feeling there are two options for the shocks - with a >> wing (stronger) and w/o a wing - weaker. >> jack >>> On Apr 23, 2019, at 11:38 AM, Mike Drew [4]<[5]MikeLDrew at aol.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Jack, >>> >>> First thingaget rid of the stupid shocks that are breaking your >> car! They are likely bending the decklid. Bad news. >>> >>> New strikers are readily available and not expensive. Cheaper than >> paying to have yours welded. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Apr 23, 2019, at 13:10, Jack Donahue >>>> [5]<[6]demongusta at gmail.com> >> wrote: >>>> >>>> To All: >>>> I installed new deck-lid shocks which apparently are VERY strong >> as the deck-lid wants to "fly open" and the gap between the body and >> lid increased a few millimeters - anyway, my striker plate broke and >> made my outing a "Bat-mobile" drive - embarrassing. >>>> Are striker plates an easy-order? Or - do I find a welder and try >> to salvage what I have? >>>> Thank you, >>>> Jack #4348 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not >>>> exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list >>>> [[6]7]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >>>> [8][7]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>>> >>>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, >> etc.) use the links above. >>>> >>>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to >> forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future >> members of the list. 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From julian_kift at hotmail.com Fri Apr 26 23:48:07 2019 From: julian_kift at hotmail.com (Julian Kift) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2019 03:48:07 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] FW: Deck-lid Striker Plate In-Reply-To: <00d701d4fcab$80334d80$8099e880$@gmail.com> References: <4C0B6B51-8289-4664-A07A-14ED01CEE1D9@gmail.com> <02BB0786-3AF6-45D7-AA7F-3BF7AE1CB6CA@aol.com> <5FDA5066-1AE0-46EB-9CFA-0979F1C6259E@gmail.com> <9702a5b7-1da1-94be-c7f4-3850630239b1@trguys.com> <00d601d4fcab$6a0ef7c0$3e2ce740$@gmail.com>, <00d701d4fcab$80334d80$8099e880$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I haven't had decklid shocks on my GT5 in my 12 years of ownership! Each and every oen I tried forced the decklid to catch the lip of the roof, Id id purchase the IPSCO relocation shock kit (via Scott at SACC), just haven't gotten around to fitting them yet..... I think that was at least 3 years ago! ________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 8:44 PM To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] FW: Deck-lid Striker Plate Jack - Mike said it implicitly, but I'll say it explicitly. The decklid, with no shocks, is REALLY heavy. So be prepared for it - broomstick or likewise. You won't be able to just hold it in place with a pinky finger when you disconnect the shocks. Classification: Restricted Classification: Restricted -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso On Behalf Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2019 01:58 To: Jack Donahue Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Deck-lid Striker Plate Jack, A broomstick in the middle is a good idea as a backup. Remove one top bolt first, wiggle the top of the shock out to the rear, rest the decklid on the broomstick aided by the other shock. Remove the bottom bolt and remove the shock. Install the new one at the bottom first, raise it into position, raise or lower the decklid slightly to line up the top bolt and tighten them down. Then repeat on the other side. Cheers! Mike Sent from my iPad > On Apr 26, 2019, at 13:19, Jack Donahue wrote: > > All: > Thanks for the tip on the Dodge Omni shocks. I bought Larry Stock?s shocks @ $42 ea. before the Omni thing came up. All good. > > NEXT QUESTION: I?ve never changed them myself before and the ones I have are NO DOUBT made for a winged deck lid. The car is sitting in the garage (on the hoist ) with it?s mouth open, are there any little tips anyone has on changing them? Like "one at a time". or "do the top hinge first - or the bottom?",or "simultaneously with broom stick holding up deck lid"?etc.. There always seems to be a proper sequence I learn AFTER doing things. Like changing A-arm bushings, etc. > All help appreciated - and thanks to Mike for "making me" take off the shocks and turning me on to Larry Stock?s stuff. > Jack > > >> On Apr 26, 2019, at 11:42 AM, Dave Londry wrote: >> >> I do the Omni too and I also didn't know about the warranty. >> I'm at 9 years in the NorthWest with no change, so I guess they do >> bake out. >> Dave >> >> On 2019-04-24 12:31 p.m., Rob DuMoulin wrote: >> >> Jack, I use Dodge Omni struts from O'Reiley Auto Parts.A They are >> special order though and take about a week for me but they are >> lifetime warranty.A I just found that out after buying my 3rd pair, >> so I know to keep the receipt now.A They seem to last about two >> years in Florida. >> Rob DuMoulin >> 904.476.8744 >> [[1]1]rob at dumoulins.net >> [2]www.kbsi.co >> [3][2]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 >> >> On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 2:43 PM Jack Donahue >> [3]<[4]demongusta at gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Mike: >> What would you use w/o the shocks? I have a couple calls in to >> vendors to see about new striker plates - going to buy an extra. Iam >> getting the feeling there are two options for the shocks - with a >> wing (stronger) and w/o a wing - weaker. >> jack >>> On Apr 23, 2019, at 11:38 AM, Mike Drew [4]<[5]MikeLDrew at aol.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Jack, >>> >>> First thingaget rid of the stupid shocks that are breaking your >> car! They are likely bending the decklid. Bad news. >>> >>> New strikers are readily available and not expensive. Cheaper than >> paying to have yours welded. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Apr 23, 2019, at 13:10, Jack Donahue >>>> [5]<[6]demongusta at gmail.com> >> wrote: >>>> >>>> To All: >>>> I installed new deck-lid shocks which apparently are VERY strong >> as the deck-lid wants to "fly open" and the gap between the body and >> lid increased a few millimeters - anyway, my striker plate broke and >> made my outing a "Bat-mobile" drive - embarrassing. >>>> Are striker plates an easy-order? Or - do I find a welder and try >> to salvage what I have? >>>> Thank you, >>>> Jack #4348 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not >>>> exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list >>>> [[6]7]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >>>> [8][7]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>>> >>>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, >> etc.) use the links above. >>>> >>>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to >> forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future >> members of the list. 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Each and every oen I tried forced the decklid to catch the lip of the roof, Id id purchase the IPSCO relocation shock kit (via Scott at SACC), just haven't gotten around to fitting them yet..... I think that was at least 3 years ago! __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso on behalf of Charles McCall Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 8:44 PM To: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] FW: Deck-lid Striker Plate Jack - Mike said it implicitly, but I'll say it explicitly. The decklid, with no shocks, is REALLY heavy. So be prepared for it - broomstick or likewise. You won't be able to just hold it in place with a pinky finger when you disconnect the shocks. Classification: Restricted Classification: Restricted -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso On Behalf Of Mike Drew via DeTomaso Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2019 01:58 To: Jack Donahue Cc: detomaso at server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Deck-lid Striker Plate Jack, A broomstick in the middle is a good idea as a backup. Remove one top bolt first, wiggle the top of the shock out to the rear, rest the decklid on the broomstick aided by the other shock. Remove the bottom bolt and remove the shock. Install the new one at the bottom first, raise it into position, raise or lower the decklid slightly to line up the top bolt and tighten them down. Then repeat on the other side. Cheers! Mike Sent from my iPad > On Apr 26, 2019, at 13:19, Jack Donahue wrote: > > All: > Thanks for the tip on the Dodge Omni shocks. I bought Larry Stock's shocks @ $42 ea. before the Omni thing came up. All good. > > NEXT QUESTION: I've never changed them myself before and the ones I have are NO DOUBT made for a winged deck lid. The car is sitting in the garage (on the hoist ) with it's mouth open, are there any little tips anyone has on changing them? Like "one at a time". or "do the top hinge first - or the bottom?",or "simultaneously with broom stick holding up deck lid"?etc.. There always seems to be a proper sequence I learn AFTER doing things. Like changing A-arm bushings, etc. > All help appreciated - and thanks to Mike for "making me" take off the shocks and turning me on to Larry Stock's stuff. > Jack > > >> On Apr 26, 2019, at 11:42 AM, Dave Londry wrote: >> >> I do the Omni too and I also didn't know about the warranty. >> I'm at 9 years in the NorthWest with no change, so I guess they do >> bake out. >> Dave >> >> On 2019-04-24 12:31 p.m., Rob DuMoulin wrote: >> >> Jack, I use Dodge Omni struts from O'Reiley Auto Parts.A They are >> special order though and take about a week for me but they are >> lifetime warranty.A I just found that out after buying my 3rd pair, >> so I know to keep the receipt now.A They seem to last about two >> years in Florida. >> Rob DuMoulin >> 904.476.8744 >> [[1]1]rob at dumoulins.net >> [2]www.kbsi.co >> [3][2]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 >> >> On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 2:43 PM Jack Donahue >> [3]<[4]demongusta at gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Mike: >> What would you use w/o the shocks? I have a couple calls in to >> vendors to see about new striker plates - going to buy an extra. Iam >> getting the feeling there are two options for the shocks - with a >> wing (stronger) and w/o a wing - weaker. >> jack >>> On Apr 23, 2019, at 11:38 AM, Mike Drew [4]<[5]MikeLDrew at aol.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Jack, >>> >>> First thingaget rid of the stupid shocks that are breaking your >> car! They are likely bending the decklid. Bad news. >>> >>> New strikers are readily available and not expensive. Cheaper than >> paying to have yours welded. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Apr 23, 2019, at 13:10, Jack Donahue >>>> [5]<[6]demongusta at gmail.com> >> wrote: >>>> >>>> To All: >>>> I installed new deck-lid shocks which apparently are VERY strong >> as the deck-lid wants to "fly open" and the gap between the body and >> lid increased a few millimeters - anyway, my striker plate broke and >> made my outing a "Bat-mobile" drive - embarrassing. >>>> Are striker plates an easy-order? Or - do I find a welder and try >> to salvage what I have? >>>> Thank you, >>>> Jack #4348 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>>> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not >>>> exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list >>>> [[6]7]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >>>> [8][7]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>>> >>>> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, >> etc.) use the links above. >>>> >>>> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to >> forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future >> members of the list. 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References 1. mailto:1]rob at dumoulins.net 2. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 3. mailto:7]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 5. mailto:9]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 7. mailto:rob at dumoulins.net 8. http://www.kbsi.co/ 9. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58 10. mailto:demongusta at gmail.com 11. mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com 12. mailto:demongusta at gmail.com 13. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 14. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 15. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 16. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 17. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 18. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 19. mailto:davel at trguys.com 20. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 21. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 22. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 23. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From kenn_green at yahoo.com Sat Apr 27 00:58:13 2019 From: kenn_green at yahoo.com (Ken Green) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2019 04:58:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Front shock length In-Reply-To: <1804113835.1272974.1556322149130@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1804113835.1272974.1556322149130.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1804113835.1272974.1556322149130@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1117728857.1154557.1556341093997@mail.yahoo.com> The attached file is from Ted Mitchell's web site On Friday, April 26, 2019, 4:42:54 PM PDT, Forest Goodhart wrote: ? Does anyone know offhand the extended length of stock front shocks? ? Forest _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- The attached file is from Ted Mitchell's web site On Friday, April 26, 2019, 4:42:54 PM PDT, Forest Goodhart wrote: Does anyone know offhand the extended length of stock front shocks? Forest _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [1]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I would not attempt to do that in anything but an enclosed > trailer and renting one here in Fresno is apparently not going to happen. > > Is there anybody on the list, ideally not too far south or north of > Fresno, willing and able to loan me a suitable trailer? > > All offers and leads appreciated. Please contact me off list. > > Yes, I do have other options but right now this is the one I am pursuing. > > Larry > > This photo is rotated to better view the reflection seen in the roof and > rear deck > > > > Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic > gizmo._______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Wow, based on the second photo, that is one amazing paint job. Very happy for you! Jeff 6559 On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 8:28 PM Larry Finch via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: All, The light at the end of the tunnel appears to be getting a bit brighter. One option of getting 2511 back home from 700 miles away is for me to do it myself. I would not attempt to do that in anything but an enclosed trailer and renting one here in Fresno is apparently not going to happen. Is there anybody on the list, ideally not too far south or north of Fresno, willing and able to loan me a suitable trailer? All offers and leads appreciated. Please contact me off list. Yes, I do have other options but right now this is the one I am pursuing. 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References 1. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 2. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From detomasoregistry at gmail.com Sun Apr 28 10:52:22 2019 From: detomasoregistry at gmail.com (The DeTomaso Registry Guy) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2019 07:52:22 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Match Game Unknown1445 Message-ID: <2821DEADC403436E855A465191C72AD2@BOSS3A> For those that enjoy the Match Game, I suggest you review Unknown1445. I may not add this to the Match Game page, until it runs for a while. I would rate this one "medium" in difficulty. (easy, medium, hard) For anyone new to this game, visit the registry, use the site map to find the Match Game, read the instructions, sample, etc. There may or MAY NOT be a match in the registry already. Remember to include "Spoiler Alert" if you post your solution. (The solution should include how you got the answer.) Good Hunting! Chuck The De Tomaso Registry Guy http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp -------------- next part -------------- For those that enjoy the Match Game, I suggest you review Unknown1445. I may not add this to the Match Game page, until it runs for a while. I would rate this one "medium" in difficulty. (easy, medium, hard) For anyone new to this game, visit the registry, use the site map to find the Match Game, read the instructions, sample, etc... There may or MAY NOT be a match in the registry already. Remember to include "Spoiler Alert" if you post your solution. (The solution should include how you got the answer.) Good Hunting! Chuck The De Tomaso Registry Guy [1]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp References 1. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp From pantera01826 at rogers.com Mon Apr 29 15:18:11 2019 From: pantera01826 at rogers.com (MARK CHARLTON) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 15:18:11 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Spoler Alert: Match Game Unknown1445 In-Reply-To: <2821DEADC403436E855A465191C72AD2@BOSS3A> References: <2821DEADC403436E855A465191C72AD2@BOSS3A> Message-ID: <248D2005-589B-4460-94CE-4318D66DB657@rogers.com> I believe it is Pantera number 1395. This one was harder, but searching by bumpers and then getting past the color change helped. The wheels, cut-off switches and windows/spoiler etc. are identical. Lots of other parts were changed however. Yes? Next. :-) Mark Charlton pantera01826 at rogers.com > On Apr 28, 2019, at 10:52 AM, The DeTomaso Registry Guy wrote: > > > For those that enjoy the Match Game, I suggest you review Unknown1445. > > > I may not add this to the Match Game page, until it runs for a while. > > > I would rate this one "medium" in difficulty. (easy, medium, hard) > > > For anyone new to this game, visit the registry, use the site map to > find > > the Match Game, read the instructions, sample, etc... > > > There may or MAY NOT be a match in the registry already. > > > Remember to include "Spoiler Alert" if you post your solution. > > > (The solution should include how you got the answer.) > > > Good Hunting! > > > Chuck > > > > The De Tomaso Registry Guy > > [1]http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp > > References > > 1. http://www.detomasoregistry.org/Members/ProvaMoMemMain.asp > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From david at msmcontractors.org Mon Apr 29 21:06:02 2019 From: david at msmcontractors.org (David) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 21:06:02 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Emblem Message-ID: <60A80FF5-6D57-49A2-9FD8-44564B51639B@msmcontractors.org> Can anyone identify this doc? About as thick as a quarter. Thanks, David Finley #3659 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_0546.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 91803 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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About as thick as a quarter. > Thanks, > David Finley > #3659 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From red3644 at hotmail.com Mon Apr 29 21:25:59 2019 From: red3644 at hotmail.com (michael frazier) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 01:25:59 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Emblem Message-ID: I?m going to say U-joint covers? maybe. Diameter seems about right, maybe too thick. It?s too big for the shifter emblem. Michael -------------- next part -------------- I'm going to say U-joint covers... maybe. Diameter seems about right, maybe too thick. It's too big for the shifter emblem. Michael From redcatman74 at gmail.com Mon Apr 29 21:36:36 2019 From: redcatman74 at gmail.com (Dick Koch) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 21:36:36 -0400 Subject: [DeTomaso] Emblem In-Reply-To: <34C7F1F3-4864-43E6-B7AF-416DB88CD2DE@aol.com> References: <60A80FF5-6D57-49A2-9FD8-44564B51639B@msmcontractors.org> <34C7F1F3-4864-43E6-B7AF-416DB88CD2DE@aol.com> Message-ID: Center emblem of Pantera wheel - https://hollywoodwheels.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/WEB_1973-DeTomasso-Pantera-Yellow_02.jpg On Mon, Apr 29, 2019, 9:25 PM Mike Drew via DeTomaso < detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > It?s not a steering wheel center. Hall made plugs for the driveshaft > U-joints at one time. Perhaps it?s one of those? > > Mike > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Apr 29, 2019, at 18:06, David wrote: > > > > Can anyone identify this doc? About as thick as a quarter. > > Thanks, > > David Finley > > #3659 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > > > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Center emblem of Pantera wheel -A [1]https://hollywoodwheels.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/WEB_1973-DeTo masso-Pantera-Yellow_02.jpg On Mon, Apr 29, 2019, 9:25 PM Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: Itas not a steering wheel center. Hall made plugs for the driveshaft U-joints at one time. Perhaps itas one of those? Mike Sent from my iPad > On Apr 29, 2019, at 18:06, David <[3]david at msmcontractors.org> wrote: > > Can anyone identify this doc? About as thick as a quarter. > Thanks, > David Finley > #3659 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [4]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [6]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [7]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. https://hollywoodwheels.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/WEB_1973-DeTomasso-Pantera-Yellow_02.jpg 2. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 3. mailto:david at msmcontractors.org 4. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 5. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 6. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 7. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From MikeLDrew at aol.com Mon Apr 29 21:55:13 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 18:55:13 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Emblem In-Reply-To: References: <60A80FF5-6D57-49A2-9FD8-44564B51639B@msmcontractors.org> <34C7F1F3-4864-43E6-B7AF-416DB88CD2DE@aol.com> Message-ID: Dick, Wheel center emblems are much much larger than this. This one is halfway between a shift knob and wheel center logo, and it?s not a stock steering wheel center either? Mike Sent from my iPad > On Apr 29, 2019, at 18:36, Dick Koch wrote: > > Center emblem of Pantera wheel - > https://hollywoodwheels.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/WEB_1973-DeTomasso-Pantera-Yellow_02.jpg > >> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019, 9:25 PM Mike Drew via DeTomaso wrote: >> It?s not a steering wheel center. Hall made plugs for the driveshaft U-joints at one time. Perhaps it?s one of those? >> >> Mike >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> > On Apr 29, 2019, at 18:06, David wrote: >> > >> > Can anyone identify this doc? About as thick as a quarter. >> > Thanks, >> > David Finley >> > #3659 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > >> > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> > DeTomaso mailing list >> > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >> > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> > >> > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >> > >> > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Dick, Wheel center emblems are much much larger than this. This one is halfway between a shift knob and wheel center logo, and it's not a stock steering wheel center either? Mike Sent from my iPad On Apr 29, 2019, at 18:36, Dick Koch <[1]redcatman74 at gmail.com> wrote: Center emblem of Pantera wheel - [2]https://hollywoodwheels.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/WEB_1973-DeTo masso-Pantera-Yellow_02.jpg On Mon, Apr 29, 2019, 9:25 PM Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: It's not a steering wheel center. Hall made plugs for the driveshaft U-joints at one time. Perhaps it's one of those? Mike Sent from my iPad > On Apr 29, 2019, at 18:06, David <[4]david at msmcontractors.org> wrote: > > Can anyone identify this doc? About as thick as a quarter. > Thanks, > David Finley > #3659 > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [5]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [7]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [8]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:redcatman74 at gmail.com 2. https://hollywoodwheels.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/WEB_1973-DeTomasso-Pantera-Yellow_02.jpg 3. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 4. mailto:david at msmcontractors.org 5. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 7. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 8. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From tipo874a at msn.com Mon Apr 29 22:01:37 2019 From: tipo874a at msn.com (L GRAY) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 02:01:37 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Emblem In-Reply-To: <60A80FF5-6D57-49A2-9FD8-44564B51639B@msmcontractors.org> References: <60A80FF5-6D57-49A2-9FD8-44564B51639B@msmcontractors.org> Message-ID: Looks to be an early (thru 72) shift knob emblem. The early ones were brass and the replacement unit from Ford was ? usually aluminum ?. You never knew which you would get from the dealership. I have a few of the original brass shift knob and steering wheel logos...... been hoarding every brass one I can find. I?ve got some sets of four brass wheel logos. Sorry, none are for sale. Leslie A. Gray On Apr 29, 2019, at 6:06 PM, David > wrote: Can anyone identify this doc? About as thick as a quarter. Thanks, David Finley #3659 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Looks to be an early (thru 72) shift knob emblem. The early ones were brass and the replacement unit from Ford was " usually aluminum ". You never knew which you would get from the dealership. I have a few of the original brass shift knob and steering wheel logos...... been hoarding every brass one I can find. I've got some sets of four brass wheel logos. Sorry, none are for sale. Leslie A. Gray On Apr 29, 2019, at 6:06 PM, David <[1]david at msmcontractors.org> wrote: Can anyone identify this doc? About as thick as a quarter. 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Using a scraper I was easily able to lift off the glue where the mirror base isn?t. But where it is, it is well and truly stuck! Looking for ideas. I can?t get under it with a blade. I?m reluctant to use heat to soften the glue, because I?m afraid localized heat from a heat gun could stress the glass and break it. So, what to I do? I?m tempted to just set it on fire and hope for the best. :) Mike Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Is it an epoxy glue? How about liberal amount of a solvent like acetone or MEK and let it soak through? Julian On Apr 29, 2019, at 19:13, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: Guys, I picked up a beautiful quarter window, temporarily ruined by having a mirror glued to it. I am afraid of damaging it trying to remove it. Using a scraper I was easily able to lift off the glue where the mirror base isn't. But where it is, it is well and truly stuck! Looking for ideas. I can't get under it with a blade. I'm reluctant to use heat to soften the glue, because I'm afraid localized heat from a heat gun could stress the glass and break it. So, what to I do? I'm tempted to just set it on fire and hope for the best. :) Mike Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [2]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 2. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I can?t get under it with a blade.? I?m reluctant to use heat to soften the glue, because I?m afraid localized heat from a heat gun could stress the glass and break it. So, what to I do? I?m tempted to just set it on fire and hope for the best. :) Mike Sent from my iPad_______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Try Finger nail Polish remover, lighter fluid or maybe Acetone? Good Luck Curt On Monday, April 29, 2019, 7:13:03 PM PDT, Mike Drew via DeTomaso wrote: Guys, I picked up a beautiful quarter window, temporarily ruined by having a mirror glued to it. I am afraid of damaging it trying to remove it. Using a scraper I was easily able to lift off the glue where the mirror base isnat. But where it is, it is well and truly stuck! Looking for ideas. I canat get under it with a blade. Iam reluctant to use heat to soften the glue, because Iam afraid localized heat from a heat gun could stress the glass and break it. So, what to I do? Iam tempted to just set it on fire and hope for the best. :) Mike Sent from my iPad_______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [1]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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Brushed aluminum clutch slave bracket, rear sway bar supports, etc. You can just buy them loose too. Very common Brent > On Apr 29, 2019, at 7:01 PM, L GRAY wrote: > > Looks to be an early (thru 72) shift knob emblem. The early ones were > brass and the replacement unit from Ford was " usually aluminum ". > > You never knew which you would get from the dealership. I have a > few of the original brass shift knob and steering wheel logos...... > been hoarding every brass one I can find. I've got some sets of four > brass wheel logos. Sorry, none are for sale. > Leslie A. Gray > On Apr 29, 2019, at 6:06 PM, David <[1]david at msmcontractors.org> wrote: > > Can anyone identify this doc? 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From kenn_green at yahoo.com Tue Apr 30 00:36:33 2019 From: kenn_green at yahoo.com (Ken Green) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 04:36:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Ideas for removing mirror base from side glass? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <992934023.2223652.1556598993862@mail.yahoo.com> Find someone who wants to mount mirrors and trade? On Monday, April 29, 2019, 7:13:10 PM PDT, Mike Drew via DeTomaso wrote: Guys,? I picked up a beautiful quarter window, temporarily ruined by having a mirror glued to it. I am afraid of damaging it trying to remove it. Using a scraper I was easily able to lift off the glue where the mirror base isn?t. But where it is, it is well and truly stuck! Looking for ideas. I can?t get under it with a blade.? I?m reluctant to use heat to soften the glue, because I?m afraid localized heat from a heat gun could stress the glass and break it. So, what to I do? I?m tempted to just set it on fire and hope for the best. :) Mike Sent from my iPad_______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Find someone who wants to mount mirrors and trade? On Monday, April 29, 2019, 7:13:10 PM PDT, Mike Drew via DeTomaso wrote: Guys, I picked up a beautiful quarter window, temporarily ruined by having a mirror glued to it. I am afraid of damaging it trying to remove it. Using a scraper I was easily able to lift off the glue where the mirror base isnat. But where it is, it is well and truly stuck! Looking for ideas. I canat get under it with a blade. Iam reluctant to use heat to soften the glue, because Iam afraid localized heat from a heat gun could stress the glass and break it. So, what to I do? Iam tempted to just set it on fire and hope for the best. :) Mike Sent from my iPad_______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [1]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov Tue Apr 30 00:50:21 2019 From: terry.himes at jpl.nasa.gov (Himes, Terry (397C)) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 04:50:21 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] [EXTERNAL] Emblem In-Reply-To: <60A80FF5-6D57-49A2-9FD8-44564B51639B@msmcontractors.org> References: <60A80FF5-6D57-49A2-9FD8-44564B51639B@msmcontractors.org> Message-ID: <3FAED27F-04C6-4341-B55D-8AE3800DA535@jpl.nasa.gov> Top of gear-shift knob? "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Deep Space Exploration ? Mission Operations Dawn Spacecraft Team Juno Systems & Software Team TGO Sequence Lead Odyssey Sequence Team Spitzer Space Telescope Data Team Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 thimes at jpl.nasa.gov ?? From: DeTomaso on behalf of David Date: Monday, April 29, 2019 at 6:06 PM To: "detomaso at server.detomasolist.com" Subject: [EXTERNAL] [DeTomaso] Emblem Can anyone identify this doc? About as thick as a quarter. Thanks, David Finley #3659 [cid:b47632ee-045e-4aa9-9d9a-340c2e4384d5 at ad.jpl] [cid:4377835e-cbea-430d-b594-797b28205aef at ad.jpl] _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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Thanks, David Finley #3659 cid:b47632ee-045e-4aa9-9d9a-340c2e4384d5 at ad.jpl cid:4377835e-cbea-430d-b594-797b28205aef at ad.jpl _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:thimes at jpl.nasa.gov 2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The early ones were >> brass and the replacement unit from Ford was " usually aluminum ". >> >> You never knew which you would get from the dealership. I have a >> few of the original brass shift knob and steering wheel logos...... >> been hoarding every brass one I can find. I've got some sets of four >> brass wheel logos. Sorry, none are for sale. >> Leslie A. Gray >> On Apr 29, 2019, at 6:06 PM, David <[1]david at msmcontractors.org> wrote: >> >> Can anyone identify this doc? About as thick as a quarter. >> Thanks, >> David Finley >> #3659 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> [2]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >> [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >> use the links above. >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >> message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the >> list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive >> or approve the archiving of list messages. >> >> References >> >> 1. mailto:david at msmcontractors.org >> 2. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >> 3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >> Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >> DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com >> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. > From MikeLDrew at aol.com Tue Apr 30 01:12:42 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 22:12:42 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Ideas for removing mirror base from side glass? In-Reply-To: <992934023.2223652.1556598993862@mail.yahoo.com> References: <992934023.2223652.1556598993862@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4EBD860E-5D9A-4F0F-B90E-59F9761C7B2F@aol.com> That wouldn?t fix the problem. There is a metal bracket glued to the glass. The glass hasn?t been damaged, so if I could get it off, the glue could easily be removed and the glass would be good as new. I just can?t get it off! Mike Sent from my iPad > On Apr 29, 2019, at 21:36, Ken Green wrote: > > Find someone who wants to mount mirrors and trade? > > On Monday, April 29, 2019, 7:13:10 PM PDT, Mike Drew via DeTomaso wrote: > > > Guys, > > I picked up a beautiful quarter window, temporarily ruined by having a mirror glued to it. I am afraid of damaging it trying to remove it. Using a scraper I was easily able to lift off the glue where the mirror base isn?t. But where it is, it is well and truly stuck! > > > > > Looking for ideas. I can?t get under it with a blade. I?m reluctant to use heat to soften the glue, because I?m afraid localized heat from a heat gun could stress the glass and break it. > > So, what to I do? I?m tempted to just set it on fire and hope for the best. :) > > Mike > > Sent from my iPad_______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- That wouldn't fix the problem. There is a metal bracket glued to the glass. The glass hasn't been damaged, so if I could get it off, the glue could easily be removed and the glass would be good as new. I just can't get it off! Mike Sent from my iPad On Apr 29, 2019, at 21:36, Ken Green <[1]kenn_green at yahoo.com> wrote: Find someone who wants to mount mirrors and trade? On Monday, April 29, 2019, 7:13:10 PM PDT, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote: Guys, I picked up a beautiful quarter window, temporarily ruined by having a mirror glued to it. I am afraid of damaging it trying to remove it. Using a scraper I was easily able to lift off the glue where the mirror base isn't. But where it is, it is well and truly stuck! Looking for ideas. I can't get under it with a blade. I'm reluctant to use heat to soften the glue, because I'm afraid localized heat from a heat gun could stress the glass and break it. So, what to I do? I'm tempted to just set it on fire and hope for the best. :) Mike Sent from my iPad_______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [3]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com 2. mailto:detomaso at server.detomasolist.com 3. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From thomas at hax.se Tue Apr 30 10:38:48 2019 From: thomas at hax.se (Thomas Tornblom) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 16:38:48 +0200 Subject: [DeTomaso] Master cylinder caps sought Message-ID: <2cc3055f-c09e-b782-e868-fb8efcb9a2ff@hax.se> I'm looking for the caps over the brake fluid switches in the brake master cylinder of my 1984 GT5. I have not found them in the spare parts catalog. Anyone know where I can find two new caps? They are both cracked. /Thomas -- Real life: Thomas T?rnblom Email: thomas at hax.se Snail mail: Banvallsv?gen 14 Phone: +46 18 32 31 18 S - 754 40 Uppsala, Sweden Mobile: +46 76 209 8320 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I can open the doors to ventilate the outgas fumes that will be given off in the process that Lori or anyone else would not tolerate in a home oven. Larry ?On 4/29/19, 7:12 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso" wrote: Guys, I picked up a beautiful quarter window, temporarily ruined by having a mirror glued to it. I am afraid of damaging it trying to remove it. Using a scraper I was easily able to lift off the glue where the mirror base isn?t. But where it is, it is well and truly stuck! Looking for ideas. I can?t get under it with a blade. I?m reluctant to use heat to soften the glue, because I?m afraid localized heat from a heat gun could stress the glass and break it. So, what to I do? I?m tempted to just set it on fire and hope for the best. :) Mike Sent from my iPad_______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From MikeLDrew at aol.com Tue Apr 30 13:00:56 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 10:00:56 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Master cylinder caps sought In-Reply-To: <2cc3055f-c09e-b782-e868-fb8efcb9a2ff@hax.se> References: <2cc3055f-c09e-b782-e868-fb8efcb9a2ff@hax.se> Message-ID: <9A055A68-121A-427C-8381-1F40A90946BD@aol.com> Thomas, I have a good used reservoir with single cap from an earlier car. Should plug right in to your master? Let me know if that floats your boat. Mike Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 30, 2019, at 07:38, Thomas Tornblom wrote: > > I'm looking for the caps over the brake fluid switches in the brake master cylinder of my 1984 GT5. > > I have not found them in the spare parts catalog. > > Anyone know where I can find two new caps? They are both cracked. > > /Thomas > > -- > Real life: Thomas T?rnblom Email: thomas at hax.se > Snail mail: Banvallsv?gen 14 Phone: +46 18 32 31 18 > S - 754 40 Uppsala, Sweden Mobile: +46 76 209 8320 > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From larrys at panteraparts.com Tue Apr 30 13:05:20 2019 From: larrys at panteraparts.com (Larry Stock) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 10:05:20 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Emblem In-Reply-To: <60A80FF5-6D57-49A2-9FD8-44564B51639B@msmcontractors.org> References: <60A80FF5-6D57-49A2-9FD8-44564B51639B@msmcontractors.org> Message-ID: <81509423-CD59-4E2F-B248-0053D9F84647@panteraparts.com> It is a steering wheel center emblem Larry ?On 4/29/19, 6:06 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of David" wrote: Can anyone identify this doc? About as thick as a quarter. Thanks, David Finley #3659 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From fresnofinches at aol.com Tue Apr 30 13:52:14 2019 From: fresnofinches at aol.com (Larry Finch) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 10:52:14 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Emblem Message-ID: <9FEE2684-1B52-4096-AD83-6E96D88BD23D@aol.com> With all of the responses talking about the size of the emblem I had to re-read the posting to see what I had missed. The posting describes the emblem as being as THICK as a quarter, not being the same SIZE as a quarter. With no scale available from the photograph presented, the only information we have is it appears to be a round DT emblem on a brass disc. That being the case, I vote for it being an early wheel center emblem. Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. From tcabanski at tencom.com Tue Apr 30 14:01:25 2019 From: tcabanski at tencom.com (Tom Cabanski) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 18:01:25 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Ideas for removing mirror base from side glass? Message-ID: You could apply heat which could soften the adhesive. Tom -------------- next part -------------- You could apply heat which could soften the adhesive. Tom From levitt1946 at aol.com Tue Apr 30 14:03:09 2019 From: levitt1946 at aol.com (Robert Levitt) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 18:03:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] 1975 BLUE EURO 1973 RED RESTORED BARN FIND References: <1572744886.2518464.1556647389907.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1572744886.2518464.1556647389907@mail.yahoo.com> Hello Friends , My Friend is selling his 1975 Blue Euro that was originally ordered direct from Detomaso for a German Customer. A complete picture book describing the restoration is included as well as the original campys.He also has the original Detomaso order for the car. ? Cut and paste the links below to view an exceptionally restored Pantera. The car is show quality and the engine is a 408 stroker. Build sheet is on my website listed below . Every inch of this car has been gone through. You will not find another GTS model at this price.The owner of this car has been restoring Panteras for decades. The price for this beauty is $92,500 and it is located in Pennsylvania. ? ? ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpenrWNIx8whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0krZeGeGuk8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OVBLJeiGpMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvRVRBiFlIQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPawMUiKo8o The owners son also has a 1973 Red Detomaso Pantera that is 100% restored . This car sat in a barn for 30+ years. The engine and ZF have been rebuilt . The engine currently has just over 130 miles on it. The body and interior as well as all mechanicals have been 100% restored. All systems work . Put a key in the ignition and drive coast to coast without hesitating. Both car can be viewed at : ? https://levitt1946.wixsite.com/nypantera/detomaso-pantera-cars-for-sale For further info don't hesitate to contact me.? Best regards, Bob Levitt ? -------------- next part -------------- Hello Friends , My Friend is selling his 1975 Blue Euro that was originally ordered direct from Detomaso for a German Customer. A complete picture book describing the restoration is included as well as the original campys.He also has the original Detomaso order for the car. Cut and paste the links below to view an exceptionally restored Pantera. The car is show quality and the engine is a 408 stroker. Build sheet is on my website listed below . Every inch of this car has been gone through. You will not find another GTS model at this price.The owner of this car has been restoring Panteras for decades. The price for this beauty is $92,500 and it is located in Pennsylvania. [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpenrWNIx8w [2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0krZeGeGuk8 [3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OVBLJeiGpM [4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvRVRBiFlIQ [5]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPawMUiKo8o The owners son also has a 1973 Red Detomaso Pantera that is 100% restored . This car sat in a barn for 30+ years. The engine and ZF have been rebuilt . The engine currently has just over 130 miles on it. The body and interior as well as all mechanicals have been 100% restored. All systems work . Put a key in the ignition and drive coast to coast without hesitating. Both car can be viewed at : [6]https://levitt1946.wixsite.com/nypantera/detomaso-pantera-cars-for-s ale For further info don't hesitate to contact me. Best regards, Bob Levitt References 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpenrWNIx8w 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0krZeGeGuk8 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OVBLJeiGpM 4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvRVRBiFlIQ 5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPawMUiKo8o 6. https://levitt1946.wixsite.com/nypantera/detomaso-pantera-cars-for-sale From tcabanski at tencom.com Tue Apr 30 14:04:11 2019 From: tcabanski at tencom.com (Tom Cabanski) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 18:04:11 +0000 Subject: [DeTomaso] Emblem Message-ID: He shows it to be 1" in diameter -------------- next part -------------- He shows it to be 1" in diameter From jderyke at aol.com Tue Apr 30 14:11:08 2019 From: jderyke at aol.com (jderyke at aol.com) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 18:11:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Master cylinder caps sought References: <593955635.2866505.1556647868525.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <593955635.2866505.1556647868525@mail.yahoo.com> Those plastic caps are common on ATE hydraulics found on Volvos, FIATS and others. And Pegasus Racing in the U.S. has cheap all aluminum caps for Girling masters that also interchange.Adds a little bling, too and they never stress crack in the threads. J DeRyke -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Tornblom To: detomaso Sent: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 7:39 Subject: [DeTomaso] Master cylinder caps sought I'm looking for the caps over the brake fluid switches in the brake master cylinder of my 1984 GT5. I have not found them in the spare parts catalog. Anyone know where I can find two new caps? They are both cracked. /Thomas -- Real life:? Thomas T?rnblom? ? ? ? ? ? Email:? ? thomas at hax.se Snail mail:? Banvallsv?gen 14? ? ? ? ? ? Phone:? ? +46 18 32 31 18 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? S - 754 40 Uppsala, Sweden? Mobile:? +46 76 209 8320 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Those plastic caps are common on ATE hydraulics found on Volvos, FIATS and others. And Pegasus Racing in the U.S. has cheap all aluminum caps for Girling masters that also interchange.Adds a little bling, too and they never stress crack in the threads. J DeRyke -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Tornblom To: detomaso Sent: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 7:39 Subject: [DeTomaso] Master cylinder caps sought I'm looking for the caps over the brake fluid switches in the brake master cylinder of my 1984 GT5. I have not found them in the spare parts catalog. Anyone know where I can find two new caps? They are both cracked. /Thomas -- Real life: Thomas TAP:rnblom Email: [1]thomas at hax.se Snail mail: BanvallsvACURgen 14 Phone: +46 18 32 31 18 S - 754 40 Uppsala, Sweden Mobile: +46 76 209 8320 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [2]DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:thomas at hax.se 2. mailto:DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com 3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso From fresnofinches at aol.com Tue Apr 30 15:26:24 2019 From: fresnofinches at aol.com (Larry Finch) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 12:26:24 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Emblem Message-ID: SMH Hadn?t realized there was a second photo with the caliper. As it is almost 1 inch in diameter I have no idea where it would have originally been placed. It appears to be enamel on brass like the early wheel centers, but the size can?t be right for a wheel center. Doubtful, but perhaps an aftermarket emblem from a key fob or something similar? Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. From MikeLDrew at aol.com Tue Apr 30 15:57:34 2019 From: MikeLDrew at aol.com (Mike Drew) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 12:57:34 -0700 Subject: [DeTomaso] Emblem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <66D2345B-9C54-4B8C-84B0-B3714D908C6E@aol.com> I think Larry has hit upon it. Leather key fob emblem minus the leather and with the attachment ground off. Kudos to Larry for (I think) figuring it out! Mike Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 30, 2019, at 12:26, Larry Finch via DeTomaso wrote: > > SMH > > Hadn?t realized there was a second photo with the caliper. > > As it is almost 1 inch in diameter I have no idea where it would have originally been placed. > > It appears to be enamel on brass like the early wheel centers, but the size can?t be right for a wheel center. > > Doubtful, but perhaps an aftermarket emblem from a key fob or something similar? > > Larry > > Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso at server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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