[DeTomaso] Wondering how California banning fosil fuel in 27 years will impact the long term value of our cars?

Ken Green kenn_green at yahoo.com
Wed Sep 19 11:36:49 EDT 2018


You can't siphon over about 32 feet, so can't siphon over a hill, but you can use a pump on one side and a generator on the opposite side.

      From: Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>
 To: Larry - Ohio Time Corp <larry at ohiotimecorp.com> 
Cc: List DeTomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
 Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 3:56 AM
 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wondering how California banning fosil fuel in 27 years will impact the long term value of our cars?
   
  Let's just fill the Arizona, California, and Nevada deserts with pumped
  in Pacific Ocean water to lower the oceans.A  Think of all the jobs
  created by the salt water fishing tourism industry.A  If the elevation
  is lower than the ocean, it can even be done like a siphon hose :)

  Rob DuMoulin
  904.476.8744
  [1]rob at dumoulins.net
  [2]www.kbsi.co
  [3]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
  On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 7:52 PM, Larry - Cleveland via DeTomaso
  <[4]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:

    Oh like this program???
    Three years ago, the drought-stricken city of Los Angeles covered
    the surface of the LA Basin with 96 million shade-providing floating
    balls, in order to keep the water beneath from evaporating. Now, an
    international study suggests that the making of the plastic balls
    may have used up more water than they saved.
    The "shade balls" were left in place on the reservoir for
    approximately one and a half years, during the latter part of the
    2011 - 2017 California drought. According to the study, they kept an
    estimated 1.7 million cubic meters (60 million cubic feet) of water
    from evaporating. Unfortunately, however, it is also estimated that
    production of the balls used up 2.9 million cubic meters of water
    (102 million cubic feet). This happened at locations where the oil
    and natural gas used to produce the plastic were refined, and where
    the electricity necessary for production was generated.
    In order for the shade balls to save as much water as was used in
    manufacturing them, they would reportedly have to be left on the
    reservoir for at least two and a half years a and that's only if
    drought conditions persisted for the entire period.
    Additionally, the study points out that the manufacturing process
    would have had other negative environmental costs, such as the
    generation of carbon emissions and water pollution.
    "We are very good at quick technological fixes, but we often
    overlook the long-term and secondary impacts of our solutions," says
    study co-author Dr. Kaveh Madani, from Imperial College London.
    "This is how the engineering community has been solving problems;
    solving one problem somewhere and creating a new problem elsewhere
    a| We are not suggesting that shade balls are bad and must not be
    used. We are just highlighting the fact that the environmental cost
    of shade balls must be considered together with their benefits."
    The findings of the study, which also included scientists from MIT
    in the US and the University of Twente in the Netherlands, were
    recently published in the journal Nature Sustainability.
    Source: Imperial College London
    Larry (gots balls) - Cleveland
    -----Original Message-----
    From: DeTomaso <[5]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On
    Behalf Of Curt Hall
    Sent: September 18, 2018 12:25 AM
    To: Ken Green <[6]kenn_green at yahoo.com>; List DeTomaso Forum
    <[7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wondering how California banning fosil fuel
    in 27 years will impact the long term value of our cars?
    MoonBeam and his Cronies are Pushing more and more Businesses and
    Tax Paying Citizens Out of this State! Looking at Out of State
    Property Myself! These California Turds in Office need to be
    Flushed!
    A  A  On Monday, September 17, 2018 6:49 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso
    <[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
    A  A Sounds like Brown signed the bill today?
    A  A friend who works for an electric company said rates will go way
    up.
    A  Ken
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   You can't siphon over about 32 feet, so can't siphon over a hill, but
   you can use a pump on one side and a generator on the opposite side.
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   From: Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>
   To: Larry - Ohio Time Corp <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
   Cc: List DeTomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Ken Green
   <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
   Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 3:56 AM
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wondering how California banning fosil fuel in
   27 years will impact the long term value of our cars?
     Let's just fill the Arizona, California, and Nevada deserts with
   pumped
     in Pacific Ocean water to lower the oceans.A  Think of all the jobs
     created by the salt water fishing tourism industry.A  If the
   elevation
     is lower than the ocean, it can even be done like a siphon hose :)
     Rob DuMoulin
     904.476.8744
     [1][1]rob at dumoulins.net
     [2]www.kbsi.co
     [3][2]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
     On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 7:52 PM, Larry - Cleveland via DeTomaso
     <[4][3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
       Oh like this program???
       Three years ago, the drought-stricken city of Los Angeles covered
       the surface of the LA Basin with 96 million shade-providing
   floating
       balls, in order to keep the water beneath from evaporating. Now, an
       international study suggests that the making of the plastic balls
       may have used up more water than they saved.
       The "shade balls" were left in place on the reservoir for
       approximately one and a half years, during the latter part of the
       2011 - 2017 California drought. According to the study, they kept
   an
       estimated 1.7 million cubic meters (60 million cubic feet) of water
       from evaporating. Unfortunately, however, it is also estimated that
       production of the balls used up 2.9 million cubic meters of water
       (102 million cubic feet). This happened at locations where the oil
       and natural gas used to produce the plastic were refined, and where
       the electricity necessary for production was generated.
       In order for the shade balls to save as much water as was used in
       manufacturing them, they would reportedly have to be left on the
       reservoir for at least two and a half years a and that's only if
       drought conditions persisted for the entire period.
       Additionally, the study points out that the manufacturing process
       would have had other negative environmental costs, such as the
       generation of carbon emissions and water pollution.
       "We are very good at quick technological fixes, but we often
       overlook the long-term and secondary impacts of our solutions,"
   says
       study co-author Dr. Kaveh Madani, from Imperial College London.
       "This is how the engineering community has been solving problems;
       solving one problem somewhere and creating a new problem elsewhere
       a| We are not suggesting that shade balls are bad and must not be
       used. We are just highlighting the fact that the environmental cost
       of shade balls must be considered together with their benefits."
       The findings of the study, which also included scientists from MIT
       in the US and the University of Twente in the Netherlands, were
       recently published in the journal Nature Sustainability.
       Source: Imperial College London
       Larry (gots balls) - Cleveland
       -----Original Message-----
       From: DeTomaso <[5][4]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On
       Behalf Of Curt Hall
       Sent: September 18, 2018 12:25 AM
       To: Ken Green <[6][5]kenn_green at yahoo.com>; List DeTomaso Forum
       <[7][6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
       Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wondering how California banning fosil fuel
       in 27 years will impact the long term value of our cars?
       MoonBeam and his Cronies are Pushing more and more Businesses and
       Tax Paying Citizens Out of this State! Looking at Out of State
       Property Myself! These California Turds in Office need to be
       Flushed!
       A  A  On Monday, September 17, 2018 6:49 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso
       <[8][7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
       A  A Sounds like Brown signed the bill today?
       A  A friend who works for an electric company said rates will go
   way
       up.
       A  Ken
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