[DeTomaso] Wondering how California banning fosil fuel in 27 years will impact the long term value of our cars?
Ken Green
kenn_green at yahoo.com
Wed Sep 19 11:36:49 EDT 2018
You can't siphon over about 32 feet, so can't siphon over a hill, but you can use a pump on one side and a generator on the opposite side.
From: Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>
To: Larry - Ohio Time Corp <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
Cc: List DeTomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 3:56 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wondering how California banning fosil fuel in 27 years will impact the long term value of our cars?
Let's just fill the Arizona, California, and Nevada deserts with pumped
in Pacific Ocean water to lower the oceans.A Think of all the jobs
created by the salt water fishing tourism industry.A If the elevation
is lower than the ocean, it can even be done like a siphon hose :)
Rob DuMoulin
904.476.8744
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[2]www.kbsi.co
[3]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 7:52 PM, Larry - Cleveland via DeTomaso
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Oh like this program???
Three years ago, the drought-stricken city of Los Angeles covered
the surface of the LA Basin with 96 million shade-providing floating
balls, in order to keep the water beneath from evaporating. Now, an
international study suggests that the making of the plastic balls
may have used up more water than they saved.
The "shade balls" were left in place on the reservoir for
approximately one and a half years, during the latter part of the
2011 - 2017 California drought. According to the study, they kept an
estimated 1.7 million cubic meters (60 million cubic feet) of water
from evaporating. Unfortunately, however, it is also estimated that
production of the balls used up 2.9 million cubic meters of water
(102 million cubic feet). This happened at locations where the oil
and natural gas used to produce the plastic were refined, and where
the electricity necessary for production was generated.
In order for the shade balls to save as much water as was used in
manufacturing them, they would reportedly have to be left on the
reservoir for at least two and a half years a and that's only if
drought conditions persisted for the entire period.
Additionally, the study points out that the manufacturing process
would have had other negative environmental costs, such as the
generation of carbon emissions and water pollution.
"We are very good at quick technological fixes, but we often
overlook the long-term and secondary impacts of our solutions," says
study co-author Dr. Kaveh Madani, from Imperial College London.
"This is how the engineering community has been solving problems;
solving one problem somewhere and creating a new problem elsewhere
a| We are not suggesting that shade balls are bad and must not be
used. We are just highlighting the fact that the environmental cost
of shade balls must be considered together with their benefits."
The findings of the study, which also included scientists from MIT
in the US and the University of Twente in the Netherlands, were
recently published in the journal Nature Sustainability.
Source: Imperial College London
Larry (gots balls) - Cleveland
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Sent: September 18, 2018 12:25 AM
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wondering how California banning fosil fuel
in 27 years will impact the long term value of our cars?
MoonBeam and his Cronies are Pushing more and more Businesses and
Tax Paying Citizens Out of this State! Looking at Out of State
Property Myself! These California Turds in Office need to be
Flushed!
A A On Monday, September 17, 2018 6:49 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso
<[8]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
A A Sounds like Brown signed the bill today?
A A friend who works for an electric company said rates will go way
up.
A Ken
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You can't siphon over about 32 feet, so can't siphon over a hill, but
you can use a pump on one side and a generator on the opposite side.
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From: Rob Dumoulin <rob at dumoulins.net>
To: Larry - Ohio Time Corp <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
Cc: List DeTomaso Forum <detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>; Ken Green
<kenn_green at yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 3:56 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wondering how California banning fosil fuel in
27 years will impact the long term value of our cars?
Let's just fill the Arizona, California, and Nevada deserts with
pumped
in Pacific Ocean water to lower the oceans.A Think of all the jobs
created by the salt water fishing tourism industry.A If the
elevation
is lower than the ocean, it can even be done like a siphon hose :)
Rob DuMoulin
904.476.8744
[1][1]rob at dumoulins.net
[2]www.kbsi.co
[3][2]http://www.linkedin.com/pub/rob-dumoulin/0/1b6/58
On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 7:52 PM, Larry - Cleveland via DeTomaso
<[4][3]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Oh like this program???
Three years ago, the drought-stricken city of Los Angeles covered
the surface of the LA Basin with 96 million shade-providing
floating
balls, in order to keep the water beneath from evaporating. Now, an
international study suggests that the making of the plastic balls
may have used up more water than they saved.
The "shade balls" were left in place on the reservoir for
approximately one and a half years, during the latter part of the
2011 - 2017 California drought. According to the study, they kept
an
estimated 1.7 million cubic meters (60 million cubic feet) of water
from evaporating. Unfortunately, however, it is also estimated that
production of the balls used up 2.9 million cubic meters of water
(102 million cubic feet). This happened at locations where the oil
and natural gas used to produce the plastic were refined, and where
the electricity necessary for production was generated.
In order for the shade balls to save as much water as was used in
manufacturing them, they would reportedly have to be left on the
reservoir for at least two and a half years a and that's only if
drought conditions persisted for the entire period.
Additionally, the study points out that the manufacturing process
would have had other negative environmental costs, such as the
generation of carbon emissions and water pollution.
"We are very good at quick technological fixes, but we often
overlook the long-term and secondary impacts of our solutions,"
says
study co-author Dr. Kaveh Madani, from Imperial College London.
"This is how the engineering community has been solving problems;
solving one problem somewhere and creating a new problem elsewhere
a| We are not suggesting that shade balls are bad and must not be
used. We are just highlighting the fact that the environmental cost
of shade balls must be considered together with their benefits."
The findings of the study, which also included scientists from MIT
in the US and the University of Twente in the Netherlands, were
recently published in the journal Nature Sustainability.
Source: Imperial College London
Larry (gots balls) - Cleveland
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From: DeTomaso <[5][4]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On
Behalf Of Curt Hall
Sent: September 18, 2018 12:25 AM
To: Ken Green <[6][5]kenn_green at yahoo.com>; List DeTomaso Forum
<[7][6]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wondering how California banning fosil fuel
in 27 years will impact the long term value of our cars?
MoonBeam and his Cronies are Pushing more and more Businesses and
Tax Paying Citizens Out of this State! Looking at Out of State
Property Myself! These California Turds in Office need to be
Flushed!
A A On Monday, September 17, 2018 6:49 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso
<[8][7]detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
A A Sounds like Brown signed the bill today?
A A friend who works for an electric company said rates will go
way
up.
A Ken
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