[DeTomaso] Wondering how California banning fosil fuel in 27 years will impact the long term value of our cars?
Konrad Szwab
kszwab at gmail.com
Wed Sep 19 01:22:10 EDT 2018
I like the like Mead idea. Reminds me of one of my favourite projects, the
Atlantropa project.
On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 6:00 PM Will Kooiman <will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
> Using gravity makes a lot more sense than batteries. The train track idea
> is another interesting idea.
>
> As I¹ve said before, I loved my Insight, but the batteries only lasted
> about 70,000 miles, and the cost to replace was about $1,000. Panasonic
> quit making the batteries used by the Insight, so the price remained
> around $1,000, but the poor quality of the non-professional replacements
> only lasted about 50,000 miles. So, the batteries were always the biggest
> issue.
>
> Maybe California/Nevada should use solar to refill Lake Mead from sea
> water, along with a desalination plant. This could address drought
> problems, lower sea levels to appease global warming alarmists, and
> provide clean energy for tree huggers. Build a system and prove that it
> works before you damn everyone else. You don¹t make things better by
> making everything you dislike illegal.
>
> Off soap box now. (reference lost on millennials)
>
>
> On 9/18/18, 4:07 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Konrad Szwab"
> <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of kszwab at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Flywheels.
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 3:00 PM Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
> > <[1]byrdjf at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Pump storage has been in use for a long time (1930's).A A I thought
> > it was
> > actually an efficient method (~80%).A I worked at several Nukes
> > that were
> > used in such a system, too keep the nuke at 100% and pump water at
> > night and
> > then be able to supply 180% during the day.A Fossil fuel plants are
> > also
> > used, and it inceases the life on the primary generators as they are
> > designed to operate near 100% and having to reduce load at night
> > cause
> > fatigue and wear
> > I heard of one test where they were using an inclined train track to
> > raise
> > cars full of gravel during the day with solar, and have the power
> > available
> > at night as the cars rolled back down.A This shows the natural
> > unbalance
> > when thinking about solar power storage during the period when you
> > need the
> > power.
> > Joe
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
> > On Behalf
> > Of Will Kooiman
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 15:18 PM
> > To: Rob Dumoulin; JFFR
> > Cc: P - Mail List
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wondering how California banning fosil fuel
> > in 27
> > years will impact the long term value of our cars?
> > ThatA^1s a cool solution (2 lakes).
> > IA^1ve thought about a similar energy storage system for an off-grid
> > system.
> > A IA^1ll never do it, but IA^1ve often wondered if it were possible.
> > ........
> > If the US would stop with all of the politics and nonsense, we could
> > create
> > an energy infrastructure that makes sense.A Use all available
> > energy
> > sources.
> > On 9/18/18, 12:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Rob Dumoulin"
> > <[3]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
> > [4]rob at dumoulins.net>
> > wrote:
> > >A A I did some IT work for a mid-western electrical company.AA
> > They had two
> > >A A lakes separated by a dam (one high elevation and one low). In
> > >A A high-demand, they would let the reservoir flow through the dam
> > to
> > >A A generate power during peak then pump it back into the higher
> > reservoir
> > >A A at night when it was off peak.AA A
> > >A A Kind of like an inefficient kinetic energy perpetual motion
> > machine to
> > >A A even out capacity vs. demand.
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I like the like Mead idea. Reminds me of one of my favourite projects,
the Atlantropa project.
On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 6:00 PM Will Kooiman
<[1]will.kooiman at gmail.com> wrote:
Using gravity makes a lot more sense than batteries.A The train
track idea
is another interesting idea.
As IA^1ve said before, I loved my Insight, but the batteries only
lasted
about 70,000 miles, and the cost to replace was about $1,000.A
Panasonic
quit making the batteries used by the Insight, so the price remained
around $1,000, but the poor quality of the non-professional
replacements
only lasted about 50,000 miles.A So, the batteries were always the
biggest
issue.
Maybe California/Nevada should use solar to refill Lake Mead from
sea
water, along with a desalination plant.A This could address drought
problems, lower sea levels to appease global warming alarmists, and
provide clean energy for tree huggers.A Build a system and prove
that it
works before you damn everyone else.A You donA^1t make things
better by
making everything you dislike illegal.
Off soap box now.A A (reference lost on millennials)
On 9/18/18, 4:07 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Konrad Szwab"
<[2]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
[3]kszwab at gmail.com>
wrote:
>A A Flywheels.
>
>A A On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 3:00 PM Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
>A A <[1][4]byrdjf at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
>A A A Pump storage has been in use for a long time (1930's).AA A
I thought
>A A A it was
>A A A actually an efficient method (~80%).AA I worked at several
Nukes
>A A A that were
>A A A used in such a system, too keep the nuke at 100% and pump
water at
>A A A night and
>A A A then be able to supply 180% during the day.AA Fossil fuel
plants are
>A A A also
>A A A used, and it inceases the life on the primary generators as
they are
>A A A designed to operate near 100% and having to reduce load at
night
>A A A cause
>A A A fatigue and wear
>A A A I heard of one test where they were using an inclined train
track to
>A A A raise
>A A A cars full of gravel during the day with solar, and have the
power
>A A A available
>A A A at night as the cars rolled back down.AA This shows the
natural
>A A A unbalance
>A A A when thinking about solar power storage during the period
when you
>A A A need the
>A A A power.
>A A A Joe
>A A A -----Original Message-----
>A A A From: DeTomaso
[mailto:[2][5]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com]
>A A A On Behalf
>A A A Of Will Kooiman
>A A A Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 15:18 PM
>A A A To: Rob Dumoulin; JFFR
>A A A Cc: P - Mail List
>A A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wondering how California banning
fosil fuel
>A A A in 27
>A A A years will impact the long term value of our cars?
>A A A ThatA^1s a cool solution (2 lakes).
>A A A IA^1ve thought about a similar energy storage system for an
off-grid
>A A A system.
>A A A A IA^1ll never do it, but IA^1ve often wondered if it were
possible.
>A A A ........
>A A A If the US would stop with all of the politics and nonsense,
we could
>A A A create
>A A A an energy infrastructure that makes sense.AA Use all
available
>A A A energy
>A A A sources.
>A A A On 9/18/18, 12:39 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Rob Dumoulin"
>A A A <[3][6]detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf
of
>A A A [4][7]rob at dumoulins.net>
>A A A wrote:
>A A A >AA A I did some IT work for a mid-western electrical
company.AA
>A A A They had two
>A A A >AA A lakes separated by a dam (one high elevation and one
low). In
>A A A >AA A high-demand, they would let the reservoir flow
through the dam
>A A A to
>A A A >AA A generate power during peak then pump it back into
the higher
>A A A reservoir
>A A A >AA A at night when it was off peak.AAA A
>A A A >AA A Kind of like an inefficient kinetic energy perpetual
motion
>A A A machine to
>A A A >AA A even out capacity vs. demand.
>A A A _______________________________________________
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