[DeTomaso] Wondering how California banning fosil fuel in 27 years will impact the long term value of our cars?

[Will Kooiman]

Yeah, I saw that program.  Interesting idea, but as usual, the morons
implemented something without doing basic research/math.

On 9/18/18, 7:52 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Larry - Cleveland via
DeTomaso" <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:

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>Oh like this program???
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>Three years ago, the drought-stricken city of Los Angeles covered the
>surface of the LA Basin with 96 million shade-providing floating balls,
>in order to keep the water beneath from evaporating. Now, an
>international study suggests that the making of the plastic balls may
>have used up more water than they saved.
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>The "shade balls" were left in place on the reservoir for approximately
>one and a half years, during the latter part of the 2011 - 2017
>California drought. According to the study, they kept an estimated 1.7
>million cubic meters (60 million cubic feet) of water from evaporating.
>Unfortunately, however, it is also estimated that production of the balls
>used up 2.9 million cubic meters of water (102 million cubic feet). This
>happened at locations where the oil and natural gas used to produce the
>plastic were refined, and where the electricity necessary for production
>was generated.
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>In order for the shade balls to save as much water as was used in
>manufacturing them, they would reportedly have to be left on the
>reservoir for at least two and a half years ­ and that's only if drought
>conditions persisted for the entire period.
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>Additionally, the study points out that the manufacturing process would
>have had other negative environmental costs, such as the generation of
>carbon emissions and water pollution.
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>"We are very good at quick technological fixes, but we often overlook the
>long-term and secondary impacts of our solutions," says study co-author
>Dr. Kaveh Madani, from Imperial College London. "This is how the
>engineering community has been solving problems; solving one problem
>somewhere and creating a new problem elsewhere Š We are not suggesting
>that shade balls are bad and must not be used. We are just highlighting
>the fact that the environmental cost of shade balls must be considered
>together with their benefits."
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>The findings of the study, which also included scientists from MIT in the
>US and the University of Twente in the Netherlands, were recently
>published in the journal Nature Sustainability.
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>Source: Imperial College London
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>Larry (gots balls) - Cleveland
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces at server.detomasolist.com> On Behalf Of
>Curt Hall
>Sent: September 18, 2018 12:25 AM
>To: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; List DeTomaso Forum
><detomaso at server.detomasolist.com>
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wondering how California banning fosil fuel in 27
>years will impact the long term value of our cars?
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>MoonBeam and his Cronies are Pushing more and more Businesses and Tax
>Paying Citizens Out of this State! Looking at Out of State Property
>Myself! These California Turds in Office need to be Flushed!
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>    On Monday, September 17, 2018 6:49 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso
><detomaso at server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
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>   Sounds like Brown signed the bill today?
>  A friend who works for an electric company said rates will go way up.
>  Ken
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